Author Topic: What's the best motor. (Read 2951 times)

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **on:** February 28, 2010, 01:22:04 AM »

Feel free to debate the merits of each motor, but remember, you can only choose one! Oh yeah....no fighting, play nice!

And I'm choosing the McCoy 35 RH simply because I like the way they look and sound! Very scientific eh?

Hoss Cain · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2010, 01:33:55 AM »

Why so few choices? There are so many out there, and only the Fox .35 is a decent-life engine of the choices offered. Back in the 1950 to 1970 time period I flew them all and a lot more. 2nd choice for stunt out of the choices would be the Veco .35.

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:34:48 AM »

I voted for the Fox, simply because it can be made to work even on profiles, with some fiddling. They last almost forever, and parts are available. The McCoy's are a better profile engines in my estimation, and are a close second. They do not seem to last as long as Foxes, at least for me.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2010, 08:20:36 AM »

I voted for the McCoy Redhead as it was my first big engine(.35). I literally wore it out. 3-in-1 oil helped get it started until I got my first K&B .35 Greenhead.

NED-088 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2010, 08:41:58 AM »

For a .35 size plane?

AXI 2826-10 with custom built RPM governor.

A glow, you say? Been there, done that.
I wouldn't want having to struggle again with noisy, greasy and smelly engines, destroying my airplane long before it's time....

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2010, 09:37:58 AM »

I think its so funny that 5 fellow fliers (so far) would rather quit than use one of those engines! LOL I love Fox motors; I like the way they look (almost art deco), sound and pull. Oh yeah....and you can't forget the smell of high castor oil hanging in the air after a flight. McCoy's for me are a good, honest engine. You fuel them up and they go to work. Unless they have a broken rod that is! LOL They are not as strong as the Fox....but that cocky looking little red head sort of makes up for it. And it has that unmistakeable McCoy sound!

Brian Massey · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:01:30 AM »

I vote for the McCoy 35 (how about the 40?). Again it's a very scientific reason . . . you can land inverted and not bread a needle every time

Brian

RandySmith · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:05:03 AM »

Ridiculous....NONE of those motors will come close to pulling my planes....

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2010, 11:38:19 AM »

Hi Randy, just inflate your planes with helium. Or tell everyone that your practising lowwwwwww passes! Just trying to be helpful.

RandySmith · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2010, 12:41:00 PM »

Quote from: Gravitywell on February 28, 2010, 11:38:19 AM

Hi Randy, just inflate your planes with helium. Or tell everyone that your practising lowwwwwww passes! Just trying to be helpful.

Or I could use 2 of them

Brett Buck · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2010, 01:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Gravitywell on February 28, 2010, 09:37:58 AM

I think its so funny that 5 fellow fliers (so far) would rather quit than use one of those engines! LOL

If you tried to compete with them, you might see their point! After having used engines from both eras (including more Fox flights than most people here), before having to go back, I would take up tiddly-winks. It's incredibly frustrating to keep these guys going correctly.

Of the list (but without having used them all), I would take the Fox. It was no accident that they were so popular back in the day.

Brett

Serge_Krauss · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2010, 01:27:40 PM »

I don't fly as often nor with as much experience as most here, but I have found my Fox .35's to be very friendly and dependable. Except when hot, they often start on one or two flips and perform well on my profiles - better at least than my FP .35 and LA-.40, which are only "OK", though more powerful. I never had a Fox when I was a kid, but I do remember friends and acquaintences frying theirs while trying to run them in 2-cycle mode on their wallowing (poorly flown) Ringmasters. It was a close call for me, since I really liked my first "big" engine, a $5.98-special McCoy .35, which never gave me any problems after being broken in per the instructions. I chose the Fox because of what people have said about its life-span in comparison and because of its light weight. I have not yet been spoiled by using a good modern stunt engine, although I like my little LA-.25 and will love my LA-.46, when I finally use it.

SK

Larry Fulwider · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2010, 03:16:04 PM »

Glenn --

What is a Silver Stallion? Never heard of it, even "back when". Shades of Clayton Longtree (or whoever they were) and the William Tell Overture

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2010, 03:46:11 PM »

I picked the Veco .35...I hope it's one of the Veco-built ones, not the earlier K&B manufactured ones! I had one of the early Veco .29's that I traded for in HS. The aluminum rods didn't hold up. It barfed the second time I flew it.

I've run Fox .35's a fair amount in my one & only NW Sport Racer. They were all just about the same lap times, but I can't say that I liked them. They were definitely not racing engines! I liked the Fox .19/.201 a lot better. The closest I came to a McCoy .35RH was the .19RH, which was a pretty nice runner but not a long lasting engine.

Steve

FLOYD CARTER · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2010, 03:52:03 PM »

That's Clayton Moore, the radio voice of The Lone Ranger.

FC

Mike Anderson · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2010, 04:36:55 PM »

Hate to nitpick (especially off topic) but Clayton Moore was the TV Lone Ranger. The radio role was played by George Seaton.

Hi - oh Silver --

Mike Anderson · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2010, 04:40:45 PM »

Quote from: Larry Fulwider on February 28, 2010, 03:16:04 PM

Glenn --

What is a Silver Stallion? Never heard of it, even "back when". Shades of Clayton Longtree (or whoever they were) and the William Tell Overture

I assumed he meant K&B Stallion - I have 3 of them, one of which has a shiny silver case and the other two have a matte gray finish. I have a couple of Shiny Case Fox .35 stunts also as well as mostly matte gray ones.

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2010, 04:43:17 PM »

I wonder how the voting would go if the OS Max 35S was listed, along with the ST 46.

Bill Heher · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2010, 05:21:29 PM »

I love my Foxes and have more hat a few-, and my 1st Big Engine was a Shiny Case .35 Stallion that never gave me a problem, but if the O.S. 35S was on the list I would probably have to go for it. Better fit / finish than most Fox, easy starting, and don't mind a muffler if needed.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2010, 05:49:55 PM »

None of them, for an old style motor, an OS 35S. I've had great luck with those motors, and they are in 3 of my airplanes, and a Brodak 40 in the other plane of mine.

Jim Thomerson · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:57:19 PM »

I hadn't flown Fox 35 since the 1980's, but have been flying one the last three years. It starts easy, runs reliable, plenty powerful for the airplane, and I never have to touch the needle (well, almost never.)

Bill Little · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:59:04 PM »

I am going along with you and picking one of theengines listed (only I would use an Aero Tiger 36 if I had th echoice in a .35 size plane!

).

I choose the Veco 35. Why? The ones I have had were strong and gave a good stunt run. Stronger than my Foxes ever were. The McCoy RH is a close second for the same reasons. I have used Fox 35s in Stunt planes and they run good, but you have to tip the nitro to get any real power. Of course, you CAN run them in the traditional Fox 35/Superfuel run and get good runs. You just have to really nurse the plane sometimes.

I do have some reworked Fox 35s and it does make a difference! The L&J and the Lou Crane 35s that I have will run stronger, and the ones I did following Lou's and Larry's directions were also stronger.

Can't say much for the Stallions I have had. They were great Sport engines, though.

My *favorite stunt engine* of the period was a McCoy 40RH!

Big Bear

john e. holliday · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2010, 01:22:16 PM »

Matt, at your age you need to ask Grandpa which was the best of the engines listed. You are lucky to be born late enough that you have lmissed the perils of breaking in engines or even getting decent runs out of them. For me back then, a decent run was when the fuel tank was dry, no blown plug and the engine would restart. Until I joined the Flying Eagles I didn't realize how long it would take to break in an engine properly. I would run the engine on the bench until it would hold a needle setting with out getting hot or tight. Then in the airplane and fly. I guess I basically do that now.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2010, 01:31:02 PM »

I did not vote. If you are stuck in the 60s, then it can only be the Fox .35. That engine helped to make stunt and was the most widely used. I never had a bad one. I firmly believe that most of the newer people that bad mouth the Fox, just don't know how to break them in and don't know how to run them.

But my reason for not voting is that there are many engines today that are better than any of those listed.

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2010, 02:55:38 PM »

I listed the motors I did, not because I am stuck in the 60's or anything like that. I listed them because most all of us remember them and have love/hate relationships with them. In other words I list the one's I did cause I thought it would make for a more fun poll and discussion. Anyone want to start a poll with modern engines?

Dalton Hammett · « **Reply #25 on:** March 01, 2010, 03:50:41 PM »

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I voted for the McCoy RH because although it wasn't as good as the Fox, it did offer an economical way to get into the hobby back then and most of the guys I was flying with were using them. My favorite of that era was actually the K&B GH .32............

Dalton H.

Joe Rice · « **Reply #26 on:** March 02, 2010, 01:38:38 PM »

Maybe you would also have to assume that airframe design and technology was limited as well. In that case a Fox 35 powered G-Nobler would still be fun to fly..........

Do I still get the hemi head, stuffer back plate, HZ crank and............

Joe