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Dennis Leonhardi

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Walker Cup - History
« on: July 07, 2010, 12:49:04 PM »
Just curious, is there a history of the Walker Cup online anywhere?  Thanks!


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Re: Walker Cup - History
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 12:55:47 PM »
Just curious, is there a history of the Walker Cup online anywhere?  Thanks!


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Hi Dennis,

Good to see you (so to speak!)  There is a listing of past US NATS Walker Fly Off winners, but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment.

And for giggles, I pass along something a winner told me (who also won the World's).  The US NATS Trophy is the Walker *Trophy*.  The World Champion trophy is the Walker *Cup*.  Doesn't matter THAT much I guess. LL~ LL~ LL~

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Re: Walker Cup - History
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 06:06:37 PM »
Hi Dennis,

Good to see you (so to speak!)  There is a listing of past US NATS Walker Fly Off winners, but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment.

And for giggles, I pass along something a winner told me (who also won the World's).  The US NATS Trophy is the Walker *Trophy*.  The World Champion trophy is the Walker *Cup*.  Doesn't matter THAT much I guess. LL~ LL~ LL~

Bill

Several years ago, David Fitzgerald compiled a list of the Walker Cup winners and it appeared on the PAMPA website.  I have a copy of that, but it does not seem to be on the PAMPA website at this time.

The award for the individual World Champion is the Steve Wooley Cup, not the "Walker Cup".  The Steve Wooley Cup was created to honor Steve Wooley who was a many time member of the U.S. Team and was killed in a car racing accident some years ago.

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Re: Walker Cup - History
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 08:06:49 PM »
Hey Bill, good to *see* you again!  It's been more than a *Little* while, hasn't it?    H^^

Thanks Keith, I'm not so much interested in who won the award as when and how it came to be.  Is it safe to assume it has something to do with Jim Walker?

I got to meet Steve Wooley once here in Minnesota, quite an impressive builder/flyer and a nice guy to boot.


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Re: Walker Cup - History
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 09:25:07 PM »
I stand corrected then.  Yes, what's the history of the Walker Trophy?  (Now that we have THAT settled).


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Well, if you are referring to the award that's presented at the US Nats, it is NOT the Walker Cup. It is the Walker Trophy! The Walker Cup is presented every two years to the winning F2B at the World Championships. I know, I've had them both in my possession in the past...

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 09:35:45 PM »
Several years ago, David Fitzgerald compiled a list of the Walker Cup winners and it appeared on the PAMPA website.  I have a copy of that, but it does not seem to be on the PAMPA website at this time.


http://www.control-line.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=58

    For reasons I don't understand (but I may have possibly caused in earlier attempts to edit the list) you have to scroll way down below the picture. But it's there.

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 10:17:18 PM »
Several years ago, David Fitzgerald compiled a list of the Walker Cup winners and it appeared on the PAMPA website.  I have a copy of that, but it does not seem to be on the PAMPA website at this time.

The award for the individual World Champion is the Steve Wooley Cup, not the "Walker Cup".  The Steve Wooley Cup was created to honor Steve Wooley who was a many time member of the U.S. Team and was killed in a car racing accident some years ago.

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Hi Keith,

I was just stating what Bob had told me before an not starting any arguments.  Take it up with Bobby! LOL!!!!!  (and I am very familiar with the late Steve Wooley, a very terrific guy and tragically killed way too soon. )

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Well, if you are referring to the award that's presented at the US Nats, it is NOT the Walker Cup. It is the Walker Trophy! The Walker Cup is presented every two years to the winning F2B at the World Championships. I know, I've had them both in my possession in the past...

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Re: Walker Cup - History
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 10:37:35 PM »
I stand corrected then.  Yes, what's the history of the Walker Trophy?  (Now that we have THAT settled).


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Regarding the Walker Trophy awarded to the National Stunt Champion at the Nats.

The trophy was commissioned by Jim Walker.  It was first awarded to Davey Slagle, a Junior flier at the 1946 Nats.  I believe there are photographs that show Jim Walker presenting the trophy to Slagle at one time.  Slagle won the the trophy in 46, 47 and 48.  I also understand that in the very beginning, there was a flyoff between the Jr, Sr, and Open CL Stunt Champions for the Walker trophy as the National Stunt Champion.  That Jr, Sr and Open class flyoff has remained essentially unchanged from the beginning, though the event has evolved from what was then called CL Stunt to what we now have as CL Precision Aerobatics.  The process for determining the Jr and Sr Stunt Champions has also remained essentially unchanged over the years while the process of determining the Open Stunt Champion has evolved to the now multiple circle, multi-round process through qualifying rounds, a semi finals round and a finals round.  Then the Jr, Sr, and Open champions still have their flyoff for the Walker trophy as the National Stunt Champion.

During those early years, the Walker trophy "deteriorated" to a considerable degree such that by the early 70's, it was only a portion of its original splendor.  Only the base with the big plate and the multiple name plates remained along with what was a brass plate on top that held a globe and a figure of a CL flier with lines attached to a model.  The pillars, the section with the eagles and the "Oscar" figure at the top were missing.  When Al Rabe won the Walker Trophy in 1973, he did the research and found the company who made the trophy for Jim Walker.  (I think the name of the company is Dodge Trophies or something like that.)  They still had the specification that was used to make the trophy.  At his own expense, Al had the trophy restored to its original configuration and had a "travel case" custom built for it.  Since then, there have been several travel cases built for it.

Then, sometime in the Fancher/Fitzgerald/Walker era, the individual name plates at the base were all used up.  Ted might want to add more details here, but I think he was responsible for add a new base to the trophy which made the whole thing higher.  the new base is the same diameter, but it is higher to accommodate the additional name plates which should be adequate for a number of years.

I think the photograph of the trophy on the PAMPA website shows the current configuration of the trophy with the new base.  The original base was only deep enough to hold the main name plate with the small individual name plates then going entirely around the base.  The carrying case (or shipping box) is rather unwieldy, but these have been instrumental in preserving this resource.

Also, for the record, the AMA owns all of the perpetual trophies that are awarded at the Nats.  Most of these trophies are in the AMA museum at the Nats.  Some time ago, when PAMPA took over the responsibility to organize and run the Nats, an agreement was reached with the AMA that PAMPA would retain responsibility for the safekeeping and upkeep of the trophy which allows the recipient each year to personally retain the trophy.  The trophy is now certainly in better condition than it was before Al Rabe won it in 1973 thanks to the effort of Al and others who have ensured its safekeeping as well as the modification several years ago to enlarge the base.

Hopefully, Ted will be able to add some detail regarding the new base.  That was done in a period when I was not very active in this event.

Keith

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 10:58:09 PM »
During those early years, the Walker trophy "deteriorated" to a considerable degree such that by the early 70's, it was only a portion of its original splendor.  Only the base with the big plate and the multiple name plates remained along with what was a brass plate on top that held a globe and a figure of a CL flier with lines attached to a model.  The pillars, the section with the eagles and the "Oscar" figure at the top were missing.  When Al Rabe won the Walker Trophy in 1973, he did the research and found the company who made the trophy for Jim Walker.  (I think the name of the company is Dodge Trophies or something like that.)  They still had the specification that was used to make the trophy.  At his own expense, Al had the trophy restored to its original configuration and had a "travel case" custom built for it.  Since then, there have been several travel cases built for it.

Then, sometime in the Fancher/Fitzgerald/Walker era, the individual name plates at the base were all used up.  Ted might want to add more details here, but I think he was responsible for add a new base to the trophy which made the whole thing higher.  the new base is the same diameter, but it is higher to accommodate the additional name plates which should be adequate for a number of years.


     I would also note that David also had it completely redone in the 97/98 time frame, and also had the new carrying case made. It didn't start out in as dire a shape as when Al did it, but it was pretty tired. It's gorgeous now. I also think the flying lines on the little airplane are cut from the set David used to win the 97 NATs.

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Re: Walker Cup - History
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 11:11:08 PM »
Keith, Thanks!  Just what I was looking for ...


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Regarding the Walker Trophy awarded to the National Stunt Champion at the Nats.

The trophy was commissioned by Jim Walker.  It was first awarded to Davey Slagle, a Junior flier at the 1946 Nats.  I believe there are photographs that show Jim Walker presenting the trophy to Slagle at one time.  Slagle won the the trophy in 46, 47 and 48.  I also understand that in the very beginning, there was a flyoff between the Jr, Sr, and Open CL Stunt Champions for the Walker trophy as the National Stunt Champion.  That Jr, Sr and Open class flyoff has remained essentially unchanged from the beginning, though the event has evolved from what was then called CL Stunt to what we now have as CL Precision Aerobatics.  The process for determining the Jr and Sr Stunt Champions has also remained essentially unchanged over the years while the process of determining the Open Stunt Champion has evolved to the now multiple circle, multi-round process through qualifying rounds, a semi finals round and a finals round.  Then the Jr, Sr, and Open champions still have their flyoff for the Walker trophy as the National Stunt Champion.

During those early years, the Walker trophy "deteriorated" to a considerable degree such that by the early 70's, it was only a portion of its original splendor.  Only the base with the big plate and the multiple name plates remained along with what was a brass plate on top that held a globe and a figure of a CL flier with lines attached to a model.  The pillars, the section with the eagles and the "Oscar" figure at the top were missing.  When Al Rabe won the Walker Trophy in 1973, he did the research and found the company who made the trophy for Jim Walker.  (I think the name of the company is Dodge Trophies or something like that.)  They still had the specification that was used to make the trophy.  At his own expense, Al had the trophy restored to its original configuration and had a "travel case" custom built for it.  Since then, there have been several travel cases built for it.

Then, sometime in the Fancher/Fitzgerald/Walker era, the individual name plates at the base were all used up.  Ted might want to add more details here, but I think he was responsible for add a new base to the trophy which made the whole thing higher.  the new base is the same diameter, but it is higher to accommodate the additional name plates which should be adequate for a number of years.

I think the photograph of the trophy on the PAMPA website shows the current configuration of the trophy with the new base.  The original base was only deep enough to hold the main name plate with the small individual name plates then going entirely around the base.  The carrying case (or shipping box) is rather unwieldy, but these have been instrumental in preserving this resource.

Also, for the record, the AMA owns all of the perpetual trophies that are awarded at the Nats.  Most of these trophies are in the AMA museum at the Nats.  Some time ago, when PAMPA took over the responsibility to organize and run the Nats, an agreement was reached with the AMA that PAMPA would retain responsibility for the safekeeping and upkeep of the trophy which allows the recipient each year to personally retain the trophy.  The trophy is now certainly in better condition than it was before Al Rabe won it in 1973 thanks to the effort of Al and others who have ensured its safekeeping as well as the modification several years ago to enlarge the base.

Hopefully, Ted will be able to add some detail regarding the new base.  That was done in a period when I was not very active in this event.

Keith


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