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Title: VSC Results?
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on March 21, 2013, 10:40:05 AM: Rex has been kind enough to show some pictures in the Leaving for VSC post.

But we have had no details. Who participated in OTS? What airplane/ engines? What were the results.

We are now well into Classic. Who is in Classic? etc. etc.

We are starved for info.
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Post by: bob whitney on March 21, 2013, 11:03:15 AM: yes we are
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Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 21, 2013, 11:32:50 AM: definitely wanting results
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Post by: Michael Alurac on March 21, 2013, 01:01:59 PM: Does the Cholla Choppers have a VSC facebook page or website with daily updates and pics? I'll check it out and see as many members of our club are participating and I too would like to see how this prestigious CL event is going.
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: REX1945 on March 21, 2013, 02:59:01 PM: Unfortunately, my batteries died out before I could copy the scoreboard.

Maybe someone has it on their cell phone.

I believe Lou Wolgast won OTS.

Rex
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on March 21, 2013, 05:59:43 PM: Hope this helps.

Allen
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Post by: Crist Rigotti on March 21, 2013, 06:27:48 PM: Thanks Allen.
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Post by: Allen Brickhaus on March 21, 2013, 06:32:08 PM: You are welcome.
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Post by: Mike Keville on March 21, 2013, 06:47:49 PM: Good job, A.B.! Many thanx!!!
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Post by: Bill Morell on March 21, 2013, 08:14:48 PM: Looks like that answers the attendance question, waaaay down from previous years.
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Post by: Mike Keville on March 21, 2013, 08:44:59 PM: Quote from: Bill Morell on March 21, 2013, 08:14:48 PM
Looks like that answers the attendance question, waaaay down from previous years.

Yes, unfortunately, it is about half of it once was. May be the Economy? Gas prices? Or the fact that we're all aging, and some have departed this world. Regardless, those who are here are having a very nice time.
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Post by: RC Storick on March 21, 2013, 09:03:02 PM: I wish I could make it and hope to at least once.
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on March 22, 2013, 05:59:31 AM: Thanks Allen.

I just talked to Don Hutchinson. He said he wasn't ready with his new airplanes. He also had some other commitments.

The weather here in TX has been terrible for flying. Since January we have had only a few days with winds below 15mph. Most days have been 25 mph with gusts of 40mph and higher.
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Post by: john e. holliday on March 22, 2013, 08:41:20 AM: Yes, thanks Allen for posting the Old Time results. Looking at Rex's pics it did look like attendance was down. I hope to be there next year even if I have to go by myself like I did the second year I attended. This snow and ice is getting to me.
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Bill Little on March 22, 2013, 09:23:32 AM: Hi Allen,

Thanks for the scoreboard shots, my friend! I would guess that there are many factors for the decreased attendance. The economy isn't the greatest it has been in the past for sure. Still, I am sure all who did make it are having a ball!

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Jim Kraft on March 22, 2013, 09:30:28 AM: Thanks Allen. Congrats to Jim Lee for winning ignition. I sure missed being on that circle. Hopefully next year.
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Post by: proparc on March 22, 2013, 10:16:41 AM: VSC is definitely on my bucket list. Lots and lots of planes I would like to build for it. Plenty of good motors too!!
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Post by: Randy Powell on March 22, 2013, 12:20:44 PM: I suspect that for many, it's a case of low cash. I would have been there this year but of a certain lack of capital.
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on March 22, 2013, 01:30:03 PM: Day two ends with some winds briskly blowing. Tomorrow should be more windy.

Allen
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: BillLee on March 22, 2013, 04:02:53 PM: Greg Elling had a massive crash. Went into the wing-over and straight into the ground on the other side. Controls failed. The model hit STRAIGHT IN! It did not even break the prop or damage the engine beyond needing Randy to re-check to make sure the crank is still seated properly in the bearings.

Post crash analysis led to a couple of failure scenarios that Greg will have to evaluate. My own was that the top bell crank mounting plate broke loose from the spar when the wing-over was started and jammed the controls. It will be interesting to see if any other sense can be made from the damage.
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Post by: Crist Rigotti on March 22, 2013, 06:41:41 PM: Did anybody notice Bob McDonald's score of 591.5! Way to go Bob!
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Post by: Mike Keville on March 22, 2013, 07:44:22 PM: <chuckle>...You can bet that a certain percentage of fellow competitors noticed it!
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Post by: John Cralley on March 22, 2013, 08:28:53 PM: Quote from: BillLee on March 22, 2013, 04:02:53 PM
Greg Elling had a massive crash. Went into the wing-over and straight into the ground on the other side. Controls failed. The model hit STRAIGHT IN! It did not even break the prop or damage the engine beyond needing Randy to re-check to make sure the crank is still seated properly in the bearings.

Post crash analysis led to a couple of failure scenarios that Greg will have to evaluate. My own was that the top bell crank mounting plate broke loose from the spar when the wing-over was started and jammed the controls. It will be interesting to see if any other sense can be made from the damage.

Thanks for the information Bill. I was wondering what happened to him!! Bummer!!!
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 22, 2013, 08:53:02 PM: Quote from: Mike Keville on March 22, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
<chuckle>...You can bet that a certain percentage of fellow competitors noticed it!

Bob McD and Paul W. are going to make it interesting! Of course, I don't recall if the two best rounds count, or total of 3. n~
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Mike Keville on March 22, 2013, 09:03:26 PM: Quote from: Steve Helmick on March 22, 2013, 08:58:38 PM
Bob McD and Paul W. are going to make it interesting! Of course, I don't recall if the two best rounds count, or total of 3. n~

I think it's best two out of three....and don't discount Richard Oliver yet!
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on March 22, 2013, 09:04:56 PM: Two best flights of three. Gives you a throw out flight.

Windy tomorrow, so that may change things.

Allen
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: John Sunderland on March 22, 2013, 11:59:43 PM: I saw Paul fly Monday afternoon. Weather was great then. Nothing like a little wind to make things dicey!...
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: REX1945 on March 23, 2013, 01:54:15 PM: Paul did better today :

(I only noticed one low bottom)
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Paul Walker on March 23, 2013, 02:05:05 PM: Yup, the "old" Skylark put it to them today! Put up a 603 real early and then let them try to find a way to beat it. They tried but were unsuccessful.

Classic stunt won by a period correct setup!!!:
Kit built Skylark
McCoy 40 open exhaust
Y&O 10*6
Froom spinner
Perfect wheels
EZ Just handle

It doesn't get more correct than this, and it took on all the other classic planes with modern equipment in them!
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on March 23, 2013, 02:09:09 PM: Congratulations.

Allen
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Post by: Jason Greer on March 23, 2013, 02:12:36 PM: Congrats Paul! Way to go!
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Post by: proparc on March 23, 2013, 03:29:11 PM: Quote from: Paul Walker on March 23, 2013, 02:05:05 PM
Yup, the "old" Skylark put it to them today! Put up a 603 real early and then let them try to find a way to beat it. They tried but were unsuccessful.

Classic stunt won by a period correct setup!!!:
Kit built Skylark
McCoy 40 open exhaust
Y&O 10*6
Froom spinner
Perfect wheels
EZ Just handle

It doesn't get more correct than this, and it took on all the other classic planes with modern equipment in them!

That's what I'm talking about! Nice work Paul. Showing them that "Ole Ed Southwick's" design can still get the job done.
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Jim Kraft on March 23, 2013, 03:48:29 PM: Congratulations Paul; That is so neat that you used period equipment. Congrats to Joe Gilbert for 4th place in Classic, 8th in Old Time, and 3rd in ignition. Pretty impressive Joe.
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Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 23, 2013, 04:28:39 PM: Good on you Paul,, I must be one of the few in the NW that did not know you even flew classic,,
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Post by: Randy Powell on March 23, 2013, 06:14:04 PM: I imagine the pilot had something to do with it. Congrats, Paul.
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Post by: Reptoid on March 23, 2013, 09:45:25 PM: Great Job Paul. I love that you did it with "Old School" equipment 8)
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Post by: Larry Fernandez on March 23, 2013, 11:53:08 PM: Quote from: Randy Powell on March 23, 2013, 06:14:04 PM
I imagine the pilot had something to do with it. Congrats, Paul.

You are soooo right Randy.
I have watch Mr. Walker fly many times, and I'm convinced that if Paul put enough motor on a brick, he would still be very competitive with it.
I love the fact that he flew with period correct equipment. To me, that is what this event was meant to be. Good job Paul, congratulations.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: John Sunderland on March 24, 2013, 07:42:52 AM: Seems funny now but, on Monday during my brief stop at the field I asked Paul if it was electrified as a joke and he said, "We'll see!" :D We all know he could win swinging a rock tied to a string, but I think it is a notable statement that he made in flying a period correct set-up. H^^
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Post by: john e. holliday on March 24, 2013, 08:43:04 AM: Congrats on the hard earned win Paul. I can still remember watching you practice at a long ago NATS while standing next to Mike Pratt. After you landed, I looked at Mike and asked if that was you. He replied yes that is Paul Walker just checking the engine run. He also stated to watch the difference when the judges are holding the score pad in front of them.
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Post by: Shultzie on March 25, 2013, 08:32:14 PM: OK! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAA GOIN ON DOWN AT VSC N' SNOWBIRD COUNTRY? H^^
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Post by: Scott B. Riese on March 25, 2013, 09:21:34 PM: Quote from: Mark Scarborough on March 23, 2013, 04:28:39 PM
Good on you Paul,, I must be one of the few in the NW that did not know you even flew classic,,

REALLY MARK????????? :-X
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 25, 2013, 09:44:08 PM: Quote from: Scott B. Riese on March 25, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
REALLY MARK????????? :-X
not anywhere I have been,, and the only classic plane I remember seeing in pictures was a Cobra maybe?
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Mike Keville on March 25, 2013, 09:50:31 PM: If memory serves (which it often doesn't), P.W. won Classic at an earlier VSC with a black Cobra - in much the same convincing fashion as he won it this year.
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Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 25, 2013, 11:09:26 PM: Cool,, sorry to have missed it,,,,
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on March 26, 2013, 12:16:43 AM: Quote from: Mike Keville on March 25, 2013, 09:50:31 PM
If memory serves (which it often doesn't), P.W. won Classic at an earlier VSC with a black Cobra - in much the same convincing fashion as he won it this year.

No Mike that's not correct. The previous VSC that Paul attended was won by Bill Werwage.
Paul had some small previous damage on the Cobra and recieved a very low appearance score that was simply too great to overcome to Billy's 19 points.
Judging is judging I guess...any way if you think back you'll remember because you and I discussed the situation at length. Of course neither you or I were involved...

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Randy Cuberly on March 26, 2013, 12:26:04 AM: I was unable to take pictures of the scoreboard but my memory is that Paul won, Bob Whitely was second, and Bob Mcdonald was third by 1/2 a point behind RJW, 1161.5 to 1162.
Doesn't get closer than that. My failing memory doesn't go further than that.

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Trostle on March 26, 2013, 01:33:33 AM: Quote from: Randy Cuberly on March 26, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
I was unable to take pictures of the scoreboard but my memory is that Paul won, Bob Whitely was second, and Bob Mcdonald was third by 1/2 a point behind RJW, 1161.5 to 1162.
Doesn't get closer than that. My failing memory doesn't go further than that.

Randy Cuberly

Hi Randy,

I am not sure which VSC you reference above, but Paul Walker did win the Classic event in 1999 with a Fox 35 powered Cobra. Bob Hunt was 2nd followed by Werwage, Fancher and Whitely.

Keith
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: john e. holliday on March 26, 2013, 05:49:39 AM: Yeah, I remember Paul winning before, but can't remember the year. Search in the records shoujld show who won and all the other placings if a person searches hard enough.
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Mike Keville on March 26, 2013, 08:07:35 AM: Quote from: Randy Cuberly on March 26, 2013, 12:16:43 AM
No Mike that's not correct. The previous VSC that Paul attended was won by Bill Werwage.

Randy, you're not thinking back far enough. Paul won with the Cobra in 1999 (VSC-XI).
Title: Re: VSC Results?
Post by: Randy Cuberly on March 26, 2013, 04:09:05 PM: Quote from: Trostle on March 26, 2013, 01:33:33 AM
Hi Randy,

I am not sure which VSC you reference above, but Paul Walker did win the Classic event in 1999 with a Fox 35 powered Cobra. Bob Hunt was 2nd followed by Werwage, Fancher and Whitely.

Keith

OK Keith,
I probably missed that one due to an Opera performance.
The one I'm referring to had a fly-off with Billy and Gerry Phelps, in what seemed like a 25 MPH wind...amazing flying, but Paul had left early not too happy I might add about his appearance score.
In fact I discussed the Cobra with him at this years VSC and He said it still lived but it wasn't coming to VSC again.
Obviously the Skylark filled in just fine.

In fact the one I'm discussing was probably 1997 or 98 because it's the first one I attended with the Scarinzi Blue Angel...that's another story, but let's just say that Paul and I had something in common during the appearance judging and it wasn't flying skill LL~.

Randy Cuberly