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https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1246526633206353921
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Dr.SHIVA LIVE: We are at War. #FireFauci. End the Shutdown.
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Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD. Inventor of Email
@va_shiva
They are pushing for Vaccines This is not the right approach according to Dr.SHIVA a virologist and inventor of email. It's worth the hour to watch and listen and not think you know whats going on. There are also film your local hospital videos going around and the media is lying to us again
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The media want us all dependent on the gov't.
Didn't Al Gore invent the email after inventing the internet?
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Sparky,
I went to the site and watched the whole video. First thing that becomes apparent is that Dr. Shiva is running for Senate and this is a campaign fund raiser for him.
When he talks about using vitamins D3, A and C he does not give any details on the dosage to take or any specific trials with repeatable results to back this up. He also did not give an indication of how long you need to take these to be ready to just go out and be protected from the Covid 19 virus. If he had this information and it worked and was backed up he should have put this in the video.
I believe in natural health support. Taking daily vitamins is a good thing for everyone. Taking the vitamins he proposes is also a good thing to strengthen you immune system before you get sick. If a virus or other disease overwhelms your immune system that's when you need to not mess around and get modern drugs. This is what Steve Jobs did. He tried all the natural stuff and it didn't work. He told one of his associates take the preventive natural stuff before you get sick but if you do get sick go to the modern treatments.
This is one of those things that natural remedy people talk about all the time and it is good to do to strengthen your immune system but it is not a cure. Keep washing your hands, keep as distance when talking and cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing is still good advice. Keep track of your temperature, take it the same way all the time, if it starts to get around 100.4F for a couple days see your doctor. Also stop smoking, recreationally drugs and excessive alcohol your immune system will thank you for it and do its part.
Best, DennisT
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OK, I did some digging and here is the link to Dr. Shiva's letter to the President: https://shiva4senate.com/immune-and-economic-health-for-america-coronavirus/ .
There is a lot of front end fluff but on Page 3 he gives dosage amounts for healthy people and for a on-going dosage. I am not a Doctor and this is not medical advice in any way. The amounts indicated are mega times the recommended daily dosage. He does not give actual backup studies and data to show that this works or that this high a dosage is safe (could be close to toxic levels) and doesn't damage the liver or other organs.
Before you take this large an amount check with your doctor.
Best, DennisT
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OK, I did some digging and here is the link to Dr. Shiva's letter to the President: https://shiva4senate.com/immune-and-economic-health-for-america-coronavirus/ .
There is a lot of front end fluff but on Page 3 he gives dosage amounts for healthy people and for a on-going dosage. I am not a Doctor and this is not medical advice in any way. The amounts indicated are mega times the recommended daily dosage. He does not give actual backup studies and data to show that this works or that this high a dosage is safe and doesn't damage the liver or other organs.
I can't comment on the overall approach, but the "vitamin c megadose helps colds" thing is 100% quackery. It's been studied absolutely endlessly, with uniformly consistent negative results. In any case, it's nearly impossible to raise your serum Vitamin C levels, it's just filtered out (as you note, by the liver), unless you were already deficient, in which case a small dose will fix it.
Brett
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This particular guy has also gone around convincing people he invented email. He didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai
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This particular guy has also gone around convincing people he invented email. He didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai
Systems qualitatively equivalent to email existed in the late 60's, 10 years before even he claims to have invented it. I used it on the EKU computer system in about 1977, and it certainly wasn't new then.
Brett
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I thought his brief partnership with Fran Drescher, AKA The Nanny, was kinda funny
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Well, thank goodness after watching Dr. Shiva we have enough sense to keep from entering another topic thread possibly leading us all eventually down another three-strike rabbit hole.
Who at this point really knows the impact COVID 19 will have on us financially, politically or whatever when it's all said and done if ever. In the meantime, if we don't have Dr. Fauci for scientific guidance who are we left with? Don't shoot the messenger.
IMHO,
Steve
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This particular guy has also gone around convincing people he invented email. He didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai
I guess the patent office is wrong then. n 1984, the U.S. Copyright Office issued TXu-169-126, the first Copyright for EMS (EMAIL Management System), to (V.A.) Shiva Ayyadurai. The EMAIL copyright had been awarded to Shiva two years earlier.
https://vashiva.com/innovation/email/vashiva-inventor-history.asp
I am not defending the guy but the PA office says he did.
Now my view on a treatment (of which I have none) I am just saying one guy Dr. Faucci is not the end all he is just one guy who works for big farma, the WHO and the Clinton foundation
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1246505891911925762
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/no-link-between-harvard-scientist-charles-lieber-and-coronavirus/
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I guess the patent office is wrong then. n 1984, the U.S. Copyright Office issued TXu-169-126, the first Copyright for EMS (EMAIL Management System), to (V.A.) Shiva Ayyadurai. The EMAIL copyright had been awarded to Shiva two years earlier.
https://vashiva.com/innovation/email/vashiva-inventor-history.asp
I am not defending the guy but the PA office says he did.
Lee DeForest is credited with "inventing" the vacuum tube (triode, which he called an Audion), even successfully sued Howard Armstrong over it. This after John Fleming (and Edison {or some anonymous engineer working for Edison}) had previously "invented" it and demonstrated the applications for it. De Forest didn't even know how it worked - until Armstrong explained it under testimony in court.
When I was about 10 years old, I "invented" a steam turbine that used the steam conventionally against a vane, then passed it through to the other side to be used for reaction control. Much later I found that someone else had invented it - in the 20's.
This guy wrote a program called "EMAIL". I have a program/script called "quantization.m", that doesn't mean I am Walter Heisenberg.
There is no question in any way that things qualitatively equivalent to email existed at least a decade before this guy claims he did it, and, depending on your definition, before this guy was even born. This is an extremely well-documented (and, aside from this one guy) undisputed fact.
If nothing else, if this guy is such a yo-yo that he thought (and apparently still thinks, although he has qualified a bunch of different ways when confronted) he could get away with it, or so ignorant that he really thought he did invent it, I am not going to be listening to him for medical advice.
On the other hand, he *is* both stupid and egomaniacal, so, politics is the place for him.
Brett
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On the other hand, he *is* both stupid and egomaniacal, so, politics is the place for him.
Brett
You're always right. I must have forgotten.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/no-link-between-harvard-scientist-charles-lieber-and-coronavirus/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/dishonest-fact-checkers/
I would estimate that half of America right now is in serious thought..trying to shake this feeling of something being WAY OFF! If you are one of those ... don't try to shake it. You are ahead of the curve and should listen to your gut! There is something totally ASKEW!
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....you do know that the vitamin thing has been debunked, and airborne/snake oil has been disproved, correct?
...i am sure you are also aware that the human body can only absorb vitamins and minerals at a given rate, and taking vitamins in the dosages he is recommending, even if you spaced it out over the day to help with absorption, would just create really expensive urine? I bet Centrum has him by the purse strings... and also vitamins and minerals can also be quite toxic in high quantities.
eat a balanced diet and exercise, and you'll achieve far more than spending your money on a little pill (same goes for cholesterol and high blood pressure...), and it'll taste WAY better. Exercise and exposure to sunlight will also help, as our body can't produce a couple vitamins we need, and are rare in nature, but some of the more complex ones are conveniently broken down by the UV radiation from the sun in to those exact vitamins we need.
Wait, this is too convenient. Nature gives us the essentials we NEED? There has to be a conspiracy here.......... look out! keep your wits about you! to twitter, facebook, and youtube!!!!
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https://capitalresearch.org/article/dishonest-fact-checkers/
I would estimate that half of America right now is in serious thought..trying to shake this feeling of something being WAY OFF! If you are one of those ... don't try to shake it. You are ahead of the curve and should listen to your gut! There is something totally ASKEW!
I don't have a dog in the fight. I just wondered why I had never heard anything about this until you posted that Twitter link so I googled it and on both factcheck.org and Snopes.com and SEVERAL other sources it said it was "fake news". He was charged but not for what John B Wells on Twitter claims. It does not matter to me at all....REALLY. I try to stay neutral in most everything but there is always 2 sides to everything and I just want to point out that there seems to be something else going on here. Sorry if ruffled any feathers. (thats why I don't post on here!)
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I think I'll continue to watch the University of Washington feed to get my information. It's non-political, as it should be.
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If nothing else, if this guy is such a yo-yo that he thought (and apparently still thinks, although he has qualified a bunch of different ways when confronted) he could get away with it, or so ignorant that he really thought he did invent it, I am not going to be listening to him for medical advice.
This all sounds really familiar, does the guy have a nickname that ends in 'jet?
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I guess the patent office is wrong then. n 1984, the U.S. Copyright Office issued TXu-169-126, the first Copyright for EMS (EMAIL Management System), to (V.A.) Shiva Ayyadurai. The EMAIL copyright had been awarded to Shiva two years earlier.
https://vashiva.com/innovation/email/vashiva-inventor-history.asp
I am not defending the guy but the PA office says he did.
Now my view on a treatment (of which I have none) I am just saying one guy Dr. Faucci is not the end all he is just one guy who works for big farma, the WHO and the Clinton foundation
Hi Mr. Storick! Now certainly you have the right to your ideas relating to what you've posted and the right to dismiss me if you so chose. I read your cite and found it to be interesting but my curiosity go the better of me because of the controversy so I did a bit more digging and guess what ... apparently the truth may not be the truth. Please read: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161103/11502935958/heres-truth-shiva-ayyadurai-didnt-invent-email.shtml
Sir, I am no one of any importance and certainly not of any significance in this age of information but please, can any of us know which is correct or does the truth lie somewhere in between?? :-\
Jim
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Email is not the point. But here is another interesting video to think about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrYLTVGU7KU
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There is so much misinformation out there, it is very hard to know what to believe. The only thing I know is that my dear friend and business partner has it and he is VERY sick. His wife also has it and there is nothing I can do to help them. New Orleans is one of the worst places in the country right now. When someone who is close to you gets this sick, it suddenly becomes very personal.
Mike
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We look at things different when a perfectly healthy 50 year old friend and co-worker gets sick, spends 2 weeks on a ventilator and then passes ... Not the flu..
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Sorry Sparky, this guy is using a line that people including the President used in January before he got educated about Covid19 and how contagious it is compared to seasonal flu. Second point, with the seasonal flu which does have these very high death rates but you have a choice to get the vaccine, at this point you don't have that choice for Covid19. Once we have proven defense we can get back close to normal.
Right now wash hands, stay several feet apart, don't shake hands, wear face cover when going around people, stop smoking and don't bit you finger nails. Stay healthy we can argue who was right once we get through this.
Here is the site to see where your state stands. Click on the reference numbers on the right side to get to details in your state, some states down to the county and Zip code.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Sparky here is Missouri hot spots are KC and St Louis: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/1fd32012487c4e5c936a13389f9731c3
Just look at UK's Boris Johnson who also thought what this guy is saying - he is now in intensive care.
Best, DennisT
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It's a bad bug, no doubt about it, but the numbers this guy is quoting jive with what I have been finding. While it is pretty vicious to the elderly and those with other high risk conditions, any number of other viruses can do the same damage, including the flu. In reality, it's not as bad as a lot of other afflictions. That's a hard thing to say, and a bitter pill to swallow for those who have lost someone to it, but the CDC's own numbers bear it out, and they are there for anyone to see. We'll loose over 600,000 this year from heart diseases alone. You have to wonder about the false negative percentages also. They do not report on any of that at all. And you have to look at the positive results also. People that test positive and don't get sick, or just get cold symptoms. The numbers on who gets tested and who doesn't is still puzzling. The sad reality is, people live, and then they die. Ain't none of us gonna get out of here alive. You can step off the curb and get hit by a bus, or any one of 1,000 different stupid scenarios. 366,000 + "confirmed" cases in the US, and who is checking on the accuracy of that number? And the 10,000 deaths? How many have been inadvertently been added to that total "just because they could?" 350,000,000 people that don't have it, and 10,000,000 people thrown out of work due to the panic. What are the collateral damage death counts going to be from the poverty, stress and strain that this is going to cause?? Selective quarantine and isolation of known carriers of the virus and those at highest risk is a lot easier, and less damaging to the economy. One whole hell of a lot less people to monitor, maybe 500,000, to 750,000 instead of 350 million.. The argument is that it's just easier and more effective to restrict everyone, but are you REALLY doing that? How much of the crush of people flocking to the hospitals in the "hot zones" REALLY need to be there and are just panic driven because they don't feel go, and are making a bad thing worse??Germany is getting a lot of praise for their low numbers, but how accurate are they? What is the difference in population? What does genetics and culture and climate have to do with the transmission? New York City"s numbers are more than double that, but they have miles and miles of virus breading grounds that they call the subway where people are packed into it like sardines in a can all day every day, and no discussion on what that has to do with their high numbers. So many variables, so many "expert" opinions and contradictions 99.9% or the population doesn't have it and are not sick, but that .1% looks really big under a microscope especially when driven by the news media which is driving the panic.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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We look at things different when a perfectly healthy 50 year old friend and co-worker gets sick, spends 2 weeks on a ventilator and then passes ... Not the flu..
With all due respect Will, the reality may have been that your friend was not as healthy as he may have seemed to be on the outside. The reality is that the flu can and does do the same thing. So can TB. So can the lung diseases from packaging microwave popcorn, or working in coal mines, or the many other forms of lung cancer. Lots of older people have contracted the virus, had the typical symptoms and survived. Everyone has some weakness in them, you just don't know what it is. Your friend had the bad luck of the draw with this virus. Is it any different if he had died from some other cause? This kind of panic just gives people tunnel vision, and they only see and understand what is right in front of them. Everyone is keeps saying that"It's not the same as the flu." But there will be more people die from the flu, and statistically more likely to die from the flu, which full name is "influenza." I'm an at risk person for the virus. I got laid off two weeks ago, and I'm starting to hear from other people I worked with that they have been sent permanent lay off letters. Mine might be in the mail tomorrow. I'm nearing retirement but was not quite there, and needed to work at least another 18 months to two years, maybe more. Now this may push the goal posts back even further than I can imagine. I've got a lot to loose at this point. I am not really thrilled with the prospect of having to find another job at my age (almost 65) and physical condition that pays what I'm worth and need to provide for myself and my wife. I'm not alone in this position. There are 10 million or more other people and their families facing it also. And don't forget the domino effect from that which will affect other businesses. And it all came to a head in the last three weeks.
And hey Dennis Toth. Check out the effectiveness for the flu vaccines for the last several years. Especially this past year. Not worth the syringes that they used to inject it with. But the "experts " say that you should get it anyway! Who is to say the the flu vaccine isn't playing a part in certain people's susceptibility to the effects of the virus. Maybe a bit of a conspiracy theory, or maybe even just by freak accident. It isn't killing everyone that contracts it. Some people have had it and didn't even know it. Cross check the victims to see if they had a flu shot or not?? Some times truth is stranger than fiction. Boris Johnson just fits the demographic of the people that this affects most, and that is where the effort should be placed.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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I have a bad feeling about this thread. I have been hit personally with this nightmare, so I am getting out now.
Mike
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There is so much misinformation out there, it is very hard to know what to believe. The only thing I know is that my dear friend and business partner has it and he is VERY sick. His wife also has it and there is nothing I can do to help them. New Orleans is one of the worst places in the country right now. When someone who is close to you gets this sick, it suddenly becomes very personal.
Mike
I'm very sorry to hear this Mike, and I can understand this completely. I have been there and experienced the same thing more than I care to relate. But it doesn't change the big picture, which is what everyone has trouble seeing. I'm not saying this to be callus, or unfeeling. It's not any different than anyone else loosing a family member, friend or loved one to ANY disease or some other untimely death. But you have to look at the complete picture of what this is and is going to do to this country, and for a long, long time. I'm not worried about catching the virus because I might die, I'm worried about what is going on and what it will do to the country that my kids and grand kids will have to deal with.
Hang in there and keep praying,
Dan McEntee
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And in today's paper it's reported that the virus is racist. 70% of Louisiana's covid deaths are black folks. Then they list the myriad of ailments the victims had. Ten listed probably more.
What I have noticed is that people are not dying from the virus they are dying with the virus.
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Respectfully, I understand and agree the seasonal flu can and does take out high numbers of people with other underlining serious conditions, but the Covid19 is two and half times more contagious. This is the problem with this situation.
Covid19 also seems to be more aggressive against the immune system which for those at high risk is enough to overwhelm the it and allow the other conditions which were at bay to attack. Resulting in what we see in NYC and other hot spots with hospitals fighting to keep up. Bottom line is we all need to do our part so we get things opened up and following the simple guidelines is the way we can make a difference.
Best, DennisT
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Can we get back to the really important debate?
Ringmaster or Flite Streak, which is better? :)
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Perry,
I prefer to stay "immune" figuratively regarding your post concerning the virus. I guess you can say "I'm staying safe".
If I may, however, I'd like to comment on your post phrase saying " the worse part about getting old is remembering when you were young" In my humble opinion I think the worse part of getting old is forgetting when you were young.
Without my fond memories of being a kid, and especially control line I probably would not be on this forum which provides mucho enjoyment. When I recently visited my 95 year old friend and mentor I sensed his frustration between his fleeting moments of clarity. How sad he has lost or forgotten all his fond memories now that he has gotten old. Attached is a photo of Bob taken around 1959 after he won the competition for the best stunt in the Model Aires in Albany New York. He was also club president. He now recalls nothing of this.
Just my thoughts take no offense, I'm now on my way to the med cabinet for my daily dose of Ginko Biloba.
Steve
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Can we get back to the really important debate?
Ringmaster or Flite Streak, which is better? :)
There are Ford people and Chevy people.
Coke people and Pepsi people.
Mac people and PC people.
Ringmaster people and the much more
smart and handsome Flight Streak people.
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The Flite Streak is a nice airplane but it is NOT a Ringmaster. That said, I have owned both and they are both fun to fly. I think a Ringmaster is an easier airplane to learn to fly. Once beyond that a person can then go to a Flite Streak and learn an airplane that is more input sensitive. Thanks Matt Kania!
Pat
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I learned to fly at age 18 on a Ringmaster powered by a Mcoy .19 " lock your elbow , wrist & lift or drop your arm,,,, first flight was a success .
John L.
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This is nice folks, but this is not what this thread is about, and technically is a thread hijack. If you don't want to discuss the virus, which, I repeat, is the subject of this thread and is clearly titled as such, then do not log onto it. Some of us can and need to discuss it. While stuck here at home, all we have is the news media to listen to. There are more people with common sense here on the forums! So again, if you don't like it, don't look at it. It's that simple
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Can we get back to the really important debate?
Ringmaster or Flite Streak, which is better? :)
STREAK 4 LIFE!!!! FTW!!!!!!!
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We have flu every year. Heart attacks. Vehicle deaths. And so forth. In NYC folks have ridden the subway packed like sardines since the turn of the twentieth century. Corvid-19 is qualitatively different. Hospitals are overwhelmed in epicenter areas. Never happened before in the USA during my lifetime of 73 years.
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We have flu every year. Heart attacks. Vehicle deaths. And so forth. In NYC folks have ridden the subway packed like sardines since the turn of the twentieth century. Corvid-19 is qualitatively different. Hospitals are overwhelmed in epicenter areas. Never happened before in the USA during my lifetime of 73 years.
The movie will come out in December.
"Corvid-19, From Outer Space."
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Can we get back to the really important debate?
Ringmaster or Flite Streak, which is better? :)
Flite Streak...!
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Ringmasters, light ones, fly way better then expected. Thin wing, wing spar that adds little stiffness, will bust a lot of ribs though, if nosed in. I’ve flown one or two that had a surprisingly good feel, went where pointed. Flite Streaks, much stiffer wing, way better airfoil. Both need to be flown on the fast side, usually. I love Streaks. The best flying Ringmaster, however, was uncannily good.
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I fly my Ringmaster Jr. Fox 15 once every year in October to accommodate the WW Ring event. Same old consistent bird but I always take my Flite Streak OS LA 25 as a back up whenever I go out to fly something. FS is a good warm-up and pattern practice ship.
Steve
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This is nice folks, but this is not what this thread is about, and technically is a thread hijack. If you don't want to discuss the virus, which, I repeat, is the subject of this thread and is clearly titled as such, then do not log onto it. Some of us can and need to discuss it. While stuck here at home, all we have is the news media to listen to. There are more people with common sense here on the forums! So again, if you don't like it, don't look at it. It's that simple
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
True, but if you turn to the forum as an escape from the constant coverage, and this thread is always at the top of the unread post list, is it not a hijack of the forum? ;)
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True, but if you turn to the forum as an escape from the constant coverage, and this thread is always at the top of the unread post list, is it not a hijack of the forum? ;)
Just because it's there does not mean you HAVE to click on it. If you open the thread, that means you want to see what is on there, you have to willingly go through the motions. Not a hijack of the whole forum, it's just one, single thread.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Dan you know this is a pet peeve of mine.....when my menu stopps on CNN you can be sure my D TV controller gets a button push to go down or up
I am astounded at the folk here who can actually log on to a web site do not seem to have the skill to FIND A TOPIC that doesn't offend them....no seriously...it is like they are moths
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Interesting take on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bouR1nF5FbM
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Respectfully, I don't understand what the value of stuff like this provides? Are you suggesting that President Trump is lying to us? Do you really think he would disrupt the US economy and way of life if he didn't have strong backup? All these social actions are having an impact. What proof do any of these internet "talking heads" have that we are being lied to? They need to show data not just "option" to get YouTube hits.
If this is what you believe, then OK he is a liar.
Oh, one more thing here is the FOX News report on what was going on at DOP hospital: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/fdny-applauds-healthcare-workers-in-show-of-solidarity
Best, DennisT
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Respectfully, I don't understand what the value of stuff like this provides?
Best, DennisT
He is asking questions. It's to make everyone think. Here is a news article https://www.krem.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/ammon-bundy-disregards-idaho-stay-home-order/293-8e042d77-fea2-453a-be62-94cc6b722ac9 Ammon Bundy, who led Oregon standoff, holds gatherings amid Idaho 'stay home' order
At one meeting, Bundy pledged to help provide legal, political and physical defense to people who are pressured to comply with Idaho's 'stay home' order.
Are we going to let a bug take away our constitution? Not saying distancing is not good but I don't need the NANNY state ordering me to do it. Paul Revere the GOVERNMENT is coming!
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Respectfully, I don't understand what the value of stuff like this provides? Are you suggesting that President Trump is lying to us? Do you really think he would disrupt the US economy and way of life if he didn't have strong backup? All these social actions are having an impact. What proof do any of these internet "talking heads" have that we are being lied to? They need to show data not just "option" to get YouTube hits.
If this is what you believe, then OK he is a liar.
Oh, one more thing here is the FOX News report on what was going on at DOP hospital: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/fdny-applauds-healthcare-workers-in-show-of-solidarity
Best, DennisT
Are you suggesting that President Trump is lying to us? NO Do you really think he would disrupt the US economy and way of life if he didn't have strong backup? No I think he has BAD leftovers advising him wrongAll these social actions are having an impact. At what cost another great depression?What proof do any of these internet "talking heads" have that we are being lied to? 2 EYES
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He is only trying to get YouTube hits, no proof, just option. Bundy is just trying to get publicity. What do they think will cure this virus? They got nothing. Nobody likes this but we need to get through it.
Best, DennisT
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He is only trying to get YouTube hits, no proof, just option. Bundy is just trying to get publicity. What do they think will cure this virus? They got nothing. Nobody likes this but we need to get through it.
Best, DennisT
Well answer me this Dr.Facui says we will never get back to normal until we have a Vaccine. Do we have one that really works for Flue yet? No do we have an AIDS vaccine yet? NO, and when was the last cure for anything? No money in a cure. So according to Dr.Faccui are we going to live in fear forever? I think not and the sooner we can get back to normal without Bill Gates and his soup concoction the better.
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So now you think the President is just stupid. Ok your board you win.
Best, DennisT
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So now you think the President is just stupid. Ok your board you win.
Best, DennisT
I think very smart but being advised by stupid swap people and I know I win because there is nothing wrong with questions.
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OK wait I don't want to get too worked up. Not sure what will ever be normal, the vaccine will work for a good portion of people and hopefully keep the people who get it to a number that can be treated just not all at once. With the vaccine you have a choice to take it or not but it should allow it to be controllable similar to seasonal flu.
You may be in an area with very few cases and that's great and hopefully it stays that way it will help getting through this. I am also in an area with minimal cases. I don't like government rules any more than most Americans but I also could not pick which one of my family members , friends or neighbors that I would choose to let get this, so for now I will follow the recommendation.
Best, DennisT
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I guess we should not talk or worry about it until the " Zhow me da Papers"starts
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OK, I did some digging and here is the link to Dr. Shiva's letter to the President: https://shiva4senate.com/immune-and-economic-health-for-america-coronavirus/ .
There is a lot of front end fluff but on Page 3 he gives dosage amounts for healthy people and for a on-going dosage. I am not a Doctor and this is not medical advice in any way. The amounts indicated are mega times the recommended daily dosage. He does not give actual backup studies and data to show that this works or that this high a dosage is safe (could be close to toxic levels) and doesn't damage the liver or other organs.
Before you take this large an amount check with your doctor.
Best, DennisT
Speaking from experience, if you have a vitamin D deficiency the standard dose is 50,000 units a week until it comes up. Took over a year for me. For me vitamin A hasn't been a problem. Vitamin C the same. Plenty is available from citrus fruits and others, some vegetables, which can easily get you enough. Vit C is very hard to overdose on partly because it is so sour, and partly because it's water soluble and goes right out the kidneys.
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OK wait I don't want to get too worked up. Not sure what will ever be normal, the vaccine will work for a good portion of people and hopefully keep the people who get it to a number that can be treated just not all at once. With the vaccine you have a choice to take it or not but it should allow it to be controllable similar to seasonal flu.
You may be in an area with very few cases and that's great and hopefully it stays that way it will help getting through this. I am also in an area with minimal cases. I don't like government rules any more than most Americans but I also could not pick which one of my family members , friends or neighbors that I would choose to let get this, so for now I will follow the recommendation.
Best, DennisT
Thankfully that's me as well, only 54 cases for two days and yesterday down to 53, fingers crossed, but will continue to stay safe.
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Well answer me this Dr.Facui says we will never get back to normal until we have a Vaccine. Do we have one that really works for Flue yet? No do we have an AIDS vaccine yet? NO, and when was the last cure for anything? No money in a cure. So according to Dr.Faccui are we going to live in fear forever? I think not and the sooner we can get back to normal without Bill Gates and his soup concoction the better.
Flu vaccine: there are multiple permutations of the coding proteins that don't all necessarily play nicely with each other when compounding in to a single vaccine, and it'd be stupid expensive to make on top of it. So, they take their best guess two years in advance of the likely strain to come out (yes, stupid model, and i'll agree, for those that don't have complicating afflictions, pointless vaccine)
AIDS vaccine: The HIV virus is insidious and constantly mutating around, as all diabolical illnesses do. It's always changing ever so slightly, even while inside the person, so when person B gets infected by person A, and then B transmits to C, there's a good chance it's ever so slightly different.. So, you could max a vaccine for a single example of it, but it's useless against the others. The immune system can't extrapolate data from something you have been immunized against, and something that looks really close, but not quite....
take off your tin foil hat.
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T.L.,
Are you suggesting that we all run out and start embracing those that have Covid19 with no PPE on so that whoever gets it, gets it and whoever survives, survives and those that don't just reduce the excess population?
Which one of your family or close friends would you have go first to try this?
Looking at the World data Sweden is trying this. They have no social distancing recommendations or restrictions on group gatherings. England was also going this way and have since change course (after PM and Prince C got it) as their numbers skyrocketed. All the high impacted country's that implemented the social distancing have peaked (we in the US are close) and the hospitals are coping.
I agree that no vaccine is 100%, but it does seem to give you at least a fighting chance to survive. The problem with Covid 19 is how easily and fast it is to spread, maybe it will mutate into a less aggressive strain, maybe the warm weather will impact it, but for now the only thing that has reduced its spread is the social distancing recommendations.
I kinda think at some point we will all have to face this thing, but I for one would at least like to bring a knife (even a if it is a short one) to the knife fight if not a revolver.
Best, DennisT
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Sober. Sensible commentary. Useful.
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Interesting take on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bouR1nF5FbM
:) :) Hi Mr. Storik! Yes, this is quite an interesting take one for which I certainly can't dispute ... because it did happen and it was recorded! :-\ :-\ I guess my problem comes when I try to put in context as to just what does it mean for me and mine and you and yours going forward. It wasn't until near the end that I understood ... it was a "commercial" %^@ !! A commercial promoting their brand of food!! Man that was kool! You really had me going for a moment .... sorta' like Orson Wells back in 1938!! Good one!! Good one!! LL~ LL~ LL~
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T.L.,
Are you suggesting that we all run out and start embracing those that have Covid19 with no PPE on so that whoever gets it, gets it and whoever survives, survives and those that don't just reduce the excess population?
Which one of your family or close friends would you have go first to try this?
Looking at the World data Sweden is trying this. They have no social distancing recommendations or restrictions on group gatherings. England was also going this way and have since change course (after PM and Prince C got it) as their numbers skyrocketed. All the high impacted country's that implemented the social distancing have peaked (we in the US are close) and the hospitals are coping.
I agree that no vaccine is 100%, but it does seem to give you at least a fighting chance to survive. The problem with Covid 19 is how easily and fast it is to spread, maybe it will mutate into a less aggressive strain, maybe the warm weather will impact it, but for now the only thing that has reduced its spread is the social distancing recommendations.
I kinda think at some point we will all have to face this thing, but I for one would at least like to bring a knife (even a if it is a short one) to the knife fight if not a revolver.
Best, DennisT
nope, not saying that at all. common sense precautions, especially if you are at risk or have family members at high risk are perfectly acceptable.
diving down the rabbit hole of crazy government or corporate/government conspiracies is what i'm referring to.
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https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/watch-police-raid-churchs-drive-in-service-issue-500-tickets-to-entire-congregation/?fbclid=IwAR10ffUwEu7Lm0x7rp7S8g1cPv0zd7ea-xTph3hBVZXFON2mjtRwlv9pXa8
Draw your own conclusions. The words Achtung and Nazis come to mind.
Mike
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Mike,
I agree this approach is heavy handed. Sounds like the mayor's first command in a crises. They could have at least discussed options with the pastor. On the other hand we Americans are very good at finding loop holes in the rules (that's what keeps Brett busy with our rule descriptions). Since the church had a way of going on radio then there was no need to actually be in the parking lot, why invite trouble. The problem we have is since this virus isn't confined to just an individual that could choose to take a chance with this and a person who is feeling perfectly fine could be a carrier and infect others without knowing it, how do you not step on some of our individual rights to choose? If it was only one person that keeps it to themselves and are not out in public were they could do unintended harm to others that is one thing (like drinking, drugs, shooting themselves etc.). With this one does not have that control of who or how it spreads.
Best, DennisT
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Its interesting to me that Churches nor Christians don't always read or obey what it says in the bible-
This is from Romans 13
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Sorry to those who do not follow the Gospel or who do not believe. I am just stating what is in the bible.
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A German car parts factory became infected early on. Realizing what happened, their doctors and scientific community started to back traces to patient #0. In fact they identified #0, then # 1, #2, # 3 and #4.
The interesting fact based on their investigation is - "Please pass the salt." #4 handed the salt shaker to # 5.. and thus the cascading infection of the company started. I'll attach the article for your perusal.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-09/pass-the-salt-the-minute-details-that-helped-germany-build-virus-defences
Pass the Salt: the Minute Details That Helped Germany Build Virus Defences
www.usnews.com
Believer or non-believer? A Democratic hoax or reality? Maybe the Germans will help sort if out. Feel free to forward and to run fact check.
In the meantime, I'll pass you the screw driver. A few loose screws need to be tightened.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6nweuXwCp8
Watch this video and it will Boil your blood. Remember folks it only takes 3% to say enough is enough
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Even if a vaccine for CORONA virus is developed, I'm concerned that there will be enough "religious fanatics" who will refuse any vaccine. Thus, they will be free to keep the virus moving right along. That means it will never go away.
We already see this in our schools, where parents will not permit their child's vaccination for the ordinary flu virus. And COVID is much more dangerous,.
(Ringmaster vs Fright Streak? .....neither)
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Even if a vaccine for CORONA virus is developed, I'm concerned that there will be enough "religious fanatics" who will refuse any vaccine. Thus, they will be free to keep the virus moving right along. That means it will never go away.
We already see this in our schools, where parents will not permit their child's vaccination for the ordinary flu virus. And COVID is much more dangerous,.
(Ringmaster vs Fright Streak? .....neither)
Floyd 'Get off my Lawn' Carter,
Flu shots have never been required for school, at least not in the more sane states in the South. If you want to make a point that in your mind smears people with religious conviction then you should probably use the example of parents refusing the MMR shots for their children. I'm not against child immunization. Both my children and both of my grandkids are immunized. I'll be damned if I ever get a flu shot. The Flu shot is not a MMR or measles vaccination. It's just a shot in the dark that has made many people sick by getting it and is not a guarantee against the strains of Flu that may be prevalent after the shot is administered.
But according to you if the virus never goes away it will be the fault of religious fanatics.
Don't you have a flag to wad up and throw back on someone's porch or something?
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We are doing enormous damage to ourselves.
Mike
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Gov Abbot* R Texas sent State Patrol to EVERY ROAD INTO TEXAS from Louisiana, and it will indeed be a "show me your papers" exercise with mandatory quarantines
I am not convinced of some grand conspiracy.....but relative to OTHER things that kill citizens exponentially higher daily rates, I am astounded at the constitutional trampling even staunch Conservatives are willing to embrace...
Recently Abbot has lost me as a solid vote....His stance on 2nd Amendment issues, red flag etc... and this shutting/monitoring the boarders bothers me immensly
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Its interesting to me that Churches nor Christians don't always read or obey what it says in the bible-
This is from Romans 13
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Sorry to those who do not follow the Gospel or who do not believe. I am just stating what is in the bible.
Hi George! We, as Believers, know that what you've written is correct. I think the issue is how we as Believers integrate what is written into our interactions with non- believers (I prefer to say ... "those who have YET to believe"). We walk in a life where we must, willingly, subject ourselves to the government whether we agree or not. If you've been in the military maybe this will make sense. When we are posted in a foreign land, even though we are citizens of the United States and subject to the UCMJ, we are still required to comply with the laws, and customs of that land, right? After a brief tour, we are given orders to return home, to the United States, okay?
Well, over time each of us Believers found out, learned and embraced the fact that we are citizens of a Kingdom, not of this world. As such, thus there will come a time when we will return "home" and stand account for our lives here. We grieve for those who have not come to this understanding because they choose to do their "own thing" but it is not our responsibility to change their minds ... it IS our responsibility to be examples ... the "light" that leads others out of darkness. Sadly, even within this wonderful forum and group of guys, modelers, hobbyists and fellow human beings, there will be disagreement and discord. Nevertheless, we are tasked, just as the 70 whom Jesus sent out to spread the word, to be an example and to love one another even the unlovable!! (Regrettably, I come up short ... in so many ways)
Jim
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Hi George! We, as Believers, know that what you've written is correct. I think the issue is how we as Believers integrate what is written into our interactions with non- believers (I prefer to say ... "those who have YET to believe"). We walk in a life where we must, willingly, subject ourselves to the government whether we agree or not. If you've been in the military maybe this will make sense. When we are posted in a foreign land, even though we are citizens of the United States and subject to the UCMJ, we are still required to comply with the laws, and customs of that land, right? After a brief tour, we are given orders to return home, to the United States, okay?
Well, over time each of us Believers found out, learned and embraced the fact that we are citizens of a Kingdom, not of this world. As such, thus there will come a time when we will return "home" and stand account for our lives here. We grieve for those who have not come to this understanding because they choose to do their "own thing" but it is not our responsibility to change their minds ... it IS our responsibility to be examples ... the "light" that leads others out of darkness. Sadly, even within this wonderful forum and group of guys, modelers, hobbyists and fellow human beings, there will be disagreement and discord. Nevertheless, we are tasked, just as the 70 whom Jesus sent out to spread the word, to be an example and to love one another even the unlovable!! (Regrettably, I come up short ... in so many ways)
Jim
They all become believers on their death beds. LL~
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In addition to Fred's concerns, I wonder about this: once the government has given itself more power, how likely is it that the power will be relinquished if and when things go back to normal?
And, what will be considered normal? I am reading articles about the new normal. Who defines the new normal and will that definition be written to justify the government's need to maintain these additional powers?
Another troubling development: on my neighborhood website, someone started a thread about reporting those who violate the stay at home directive. They wanted to know if there was a special number (maybe a hotline?) to report violators. I was hoping it would not come to this--neighbor vs. neighbor. If there are fights in grocery stores over the last package of toilet paper, what will happen if there is a confrontation about violating the stay at home directive?
Patience is wearing thin. I hope for the best but I also have to expect the worst.
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That's news to me "FAKE NEWS" I said he wouldn't but has some advisers with bad models and we are seeing that play out in the news.
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There are 257 deaths in Ohio out of 11,000,000,000 and change do the math you are more likely to be struck by lightning.
Would everyone agree that there is no law of the land higher than the constitution? (probably not knowing how some here) But the 1st amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So as I see it if the pastors wish to hold church and they are arrested they become millionaires. God Bless them!
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11 million Sparky and yes the next few months are going to be very interesting indeed.
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9-11 was horrendous and for a fact I saw some of it with my own eyes and lost colleagues I worked closely with in the pentagon..I will never believe the conspiracies that our government blew up the towers or the pentagon. BTW I was on very first flight Dallas to Reagan National once air traffic resumed...over Potomac and
pentagon final approach to DCA ..I saw the tail section still in the parking lot
All that said...I liked GWB -----BUT the Patriot ACT (and FISA courts) was the second worst legislation ever-- after the stupids 100 years ago with the interstate commerce act...in both cases very egregious anti constitutional law and precedent
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Heads up veterans the time to muster is close. Your oath never expires. https://twitter.com/i/status/1249019585887698945
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I hope and pray that all of this garbage is a massive wake up call for all the left wing moon bats who believe that socialist government is the answer to anything.
Going into stores with empty shelves and limits on what you can purchase? Can’t find basic necessities? Being told not to go see your doctor or to not go to the ER unless you really think you might die? No elective surgeries? Being ticketed or arrested for leaving your home to just go for a drive or to go paddle boarding by yourself.... or detained by police for playing catch in the park with your child? Politicians and people in power suggesting tracking apps to make sure you’re following social distancing mandates? The ideas that maybe we should have to carry “immunity papers”???
WELCOME TO YOUR TRIAL RUN OF SOCIALISM.
The stupidity (or is it intentional destruction? 🤔) of some of these politicians never ceases to amaze me!
Mike
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He is asking questions. It's to make everyone think. ... Are we going to let a bug take away our constitution? Not saying distancing is not good but I don't need the NANNY state ordering me to do it. Paul Revere the GOVERNMENT is coming!
Mr. Storick, truly I am not trying to anger you in anyway but the above extract from what you wrote creates a problem for my understanding (and I'm the first to admit, I'm not the brightest light bulb in existence). Specifically, I understand the need to "think" and I agree, we, the populace, should and must be alert and aware of government overreach in many facets of life. However your statement extract "I don't need the NANNY state ordering me to do it" begs for understanding on my part.
For example, state requirements for driver's licenses, insurances, professional licensing i.e. medical / legal / law enforcement, as well as property boundaries registration such as for your home and land ... all of these are required/mandated in some form or fashion whether federal, state, or local for the protection of the population in general, right? Therefore ... should a person, anyone, be allowed to do as they please when the "legitimate" government officials, regardless of agency, (based upon their best analysis, considered counsels, researchers and advisors), place certain restrictions on movement, personal activities, and behaviors of the populace in general??
Shouldn't we, the members of the general populace, expect and even demand, in certain circumstances, the "legitimate" governmental authorities to restrict the activities of those who wish to "do as they want"?? Jus' askin!! I mean, we wouldn't tolerate "citizens" riding bicycles on the interstate highways, we don't tolerate any "citizens" unauthorized taking of the personal private property of another and we certainly wouldn't tolerate companies, citizens or even rogue agents dumping their wastes and refuse in the public drinking waters. No, we demand governmental protection. Isn't this the same type situation? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want a toxic COVID-19 "free agent" walking up on you as you were outside doing what ever you chose/wanted to do ("because it's your right") intentionally sneezing on you or someone you care about, right?? Well, at the same time, doesn't that toxic COVID-19 "free agent", citizen of the United States, have the same rights and freedoms you speak of when he or she states .... "I don't need the NANNY state ordering me to do it"!! Jus' askin' :-\!!
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Well we are getting our sermon on the inter net and not taking chances other than going to the store. Did you see the one where a man decided to defy the order and had a gathering for his family and friends. Within days they were getting sick and finally diagnosed with the virus. He was tested clean but a couple of days later he got sick and before they could get treatment for him he was dead with the virus. According to reports it takes days before the virus rears its ugly head. My oldest daughter and family passed the quarantine they were under because of one of my son-in-law's clients was diagnosed with the virus. Four weeks and still clear in her family. D>K
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"free agent", citizen of the United States, have the same rights and freedoms you speak of when he or she states .... "I don't need the NANNY state ordering me to do it"!! Jus' askin' :-\!!
There is but one law of the land the US Constitution. We are granted our rights by God not by man. I didn't say it was not good to self distance but the NANNY state Should and can not ticket you for a group of 10 or more people. Let say you have a big family say 15 or 16 what do you tell them? OKAY the GOOBERMANT says we can have only 10 people you decide which 10 can stay and which 5 will go. If anyone gets a ticket or arrested please contact a constitutional attorney. Or maybe you are lucky to have a constitutional Sherrif in your area they are the final say in all law enforcement, not the policy enforcers. The Police have no duty under law to protect you only to enforce policies.
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There is but one law of the land the US Constitution. We are granted our rights by God not by man. I didn't say it was not good to self distance but the NANNY state Should and can not ticket you for a group of 10 or more people. Let say you have a big family say 15 or 16 what do you tell them? OKAY the GOOBERMANT says we can have only 10 people you decide which 10 can stay and which 5 will go. If anyone gets a ticket or arrested please contact a constitutional attorney. Or maybe you are lucky to have a constitutional Sherrif in your area they are the final say in all law enforcement, not the policy enforcers. The Police have no duty under law to protect you only to enforce policies.
Good sir, you are absolutely correct, I mean right on the button ... "We are granted our rights by God not by man." And HIS instructions to us, Believers, (we can't control the behaviors of non-believers other than to be the light ... the example as set by Christ) in Mark 12:17 King James Version (KJV) 17 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at Him. Caesar is equivalent to our present day "NANNY state" won't you agree?
As for how we the Believers are to react to stuff going on in this world, what I understand can be found in the instructions of Jesus himself in Matthew 5:14-16 King James Version (KJV)
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Those two passages tie in with the teachings of the Apostle Paul who further explains in Romans 13:1-7 King James Version (KJV)
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
As to your example of someone with a large family (say a farm family where all the children and grandchildren gathered, to me it's simple, the head of the house, whomever that may be father, mother or grandparents sets the standards and the rules. Obedience or disobedience to the "GOOBERMANT" rests on that family head and the outcome will be determined by God, the Father just as it is stated in Proverbs 16-33 KJV The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord. What no Believer or unbeliever should do is be intentionally disobedient and then be caught in HIS judgement for that act, be it this virus, drunk i.e. driving, etcetera. 1 John 5-17 points out that there are acts, behaviors, disobedience, aka sins that may or may not lead to death.
Again, it is each individuals choice to comply with, as you call it, the "GOOBERMANT" or not but apparently there is a price to pay, in some cases, that may or may not bring a Heavenly Judgement just as it may or may not bring a "GOOBERMANT" judgement. Good sir, I truly hope what I've written makes sense. Our Heavenly Father has extended His Blessing to each and everyone of us through His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and it is my hope and prayer that He does not stop until the return of His Son. Happy Easter and please, please be safe!!
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Good sir, you are absolutely correct, I mean right on the button ... "We are granted our rights by God not by man." And HIS instructions to us, Believers, (we can't control the behaviors of non-believers other than to be the light ... the example as set by Christ) in Mark 12:17 King James Version (KJV) 17 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at Him. Caesar is equivalent to our present day "NANNY state" won't you agree?
As for how we the Believers are to react to stuff going on in this world, what I understand can be found in the instructions of Jesus himself in Matthew 5:14-16 King James Version (KJV)
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Those two passages tie in with the teachings of the Apostle Paul who further explains in Romans 13:1-7 King James Version (KJV)
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
As to your example of someone with a large family (say a farm family where all the children and grandchildren gathered, to me it's simple, the head of the house, whomever that may be father, mother or grandparents sets the standards and the rules. Obedience or disobedience to the "GOOBERMANT" rests on that family head and the outcome will be determined by God, the Father just as it is stated in Proverbs 16-33 KJV The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord. What no Believer or unbeliever should do is be intentionally disobedient and then be caught in HIS judgement for that act, be it this virus, drunk i.e. driving, etcetera. 1 John 5-17 points out that there are acts, behaviors, disobedience, aka sins that may or may not lead to death.
Again, it is each individuals choice to comply with, as you call it, the "GOOBERMANT" or not but apparently there is a price to pay, in some cases, that may or may not bring a Heavenly Judgement just as it may or may not bring a "GOOBERMANT" judgement. Good sir, I truly hope what I've written makes sense. Our Heavenly Father has extended His Blessing to each and everyone of us through His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and it is my hope and prayer that He does not stop until the return of His Son. Happy Easter and please, please be safe!!
So in your opinion when the government circumvents the Constitution and begins to rule by fiat in ways that infringe upon the civil rights guaranteed by that very same document, you should obey the higher authority be cause God ordained them to violate our laws?
Sorry, that's a bridge too far for me.
Or are you assuming that the Government of which you speak is obeying the Constitution, not violating it as ours currently are?
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Heads up veterans the time to muster is close. Your oath never expires. https://twitter.com/i/status/1249019585887698945
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Our Government, Bill Clinton administration, burned the David Koresh Christian commune to the ground.
By design.
The attack was planned for months.
No. The members did not set fire to the place, that story is propaganda. It was the Government.
Our Government murdered 75 people including 25 children.
All that's left to read about this crime is propaganda.
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So in your opinion when the government circumvents the Constitution and begins to rule by fiat in ways that infringe upon the civil rights guaranteed by that very same document, you should obey the higher authority be cause God ordained them to violate our laws?
Sorry, that's a bridge too far for me.
Or are you assuming that the Government of which you speak is obeying the Constitution, not violating it as ours currently are?
Mr McKee, I’m not trying to defend or attack the government or any of its laws. I’m simply stating what is written in the scriptures. As I have been taught, read and come to accept is that those statements are written in our instruction book for life. You should realize that when the Constitution was written, even back then it was a flawed document. There have been libraries written to add, change, modify and improve that document, its amendments and the subsequent myriad laws of the states. The one book that has not changed other than translations into other tongues is the scripture ... the Bible (of course there will always be those who will interpret it to their own devices, as it is written). To make this short, we as Believers, must comply with the various laws of the land but not when they conflict with scripture. The only way to deal with those conflicts is through prayer, study and more prayer and allow God Himself to deal with the issue in His time. To unbelievers, that statement is considered foolishness and that’s okay, unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to change that. Back to my original point, when dealing with a government law/edict that may or may not be appropriate we, should, repeat should, comply but not if those laws/edicts conflict with scripture and the only way to know is through prayer and study followed by more prayer then backing off and letting God Himself handle it!! Truly I hope this makes sense.
Jim
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Mr McKee, I’m not trying to defend or attack the government or any of its laws. I’m simply stating what is written in the scriptures. As I have been taught, read and come to accept is that those statements are written in our instruction book for life. You should realize that when the Constitution was written, even back then it was a flawed document. There have been libraries written to add, change, modify and improve that document, its amendments and the subsequent myriad laws of the states. The one book that has not changed other than translations into other tongues is the scripture ... the Bible (of course there will always be those who will interpret it to their own devices, as it is written). To make this short, we as Believers, must comply with the various laws of the land but not when they conflict with scripture. The only way to deal with those conflicts is through prayer, study and more prayer and allow God Himself to deal with the issue in His time. To unbelievers, that statement is considered foolishness and that’s okay, unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to change that. Back to my original point, when dealing with a government law/edict that may or may not be appropriate we, should, repeat should, comply but not if those laws/edicts conflict with scripture and the only way to know is through prayer and study followed by more prayer then backing off and letting God Himself handle it!! Truly I hope this makes sense.
Jim
I understand the Apostle Paul.
It seems to me that you believe these orders from Governors and Mayors to be lawful. They are not.
Governments cannot make a law forbidding assembly on private property. Nowhere in this country does one exist. Governors and Mayors cannot make an Executive order that would do the same thing. It would be a violation of people's Constitutional rights under the 1st Ammendment.
I think you probably believe that the men who faught in the American Revolution were sinning in the eyes of God for not submitting to English rule. Taken to its final conclusion your position would be that no people could throw off the chains of the oppressor unless the higher power relinquished his desire to unjustly rule over you.
Edit: I want to thank you for the calm, intelligent, and resonable debate.
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As far as I have heard, the "M" word, (Marshal Law) has not been invoked anywhere. I have been waiting for that since this all began.That is different than just calling out the National Guard for a natural disaster or something similar. The contradictions continue. The "experts keep making predictions about things that they can't know and when asked specific questions about something they tell us they don't know. Just because some of these people hold the positions that they do, doesn't mean that they really know what is going on!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Just in: Even the court knows the government is wrong.
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To all those who will just submit to unjust laws, there will be at least 3% of us who will come to rescue you. No worries
https://youtu.be/YWGfuyBoNNA
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Just in: Even the court knows the government is wrong.
Just read this. FINALLY someone with some sense. Also, William Barr and the Justice Dept are going to be getting involved due to these local tyrants violating the Constitution.
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I understand the Apostle Paul.
It seems to me that you believe these orders from Governors and Mayors to be lawful. They are not.
Governments cannot make a law forbidding assembly on private property. Nowhere in this country does one exist. Governors and Mayors cannot make an Executive order that would do the same thing. It would be a violation of people's Constitutional rights under the 1st Ammendment.
I think you probably believe that the men who faught in the American Revolution were sinning in the eyes of God for not submitting to English rule. Taken to its final conclusion your position would be that no people could throw off the chains of the oppressor unless the higher power relinquished his desire to unjustly rule over you.
Edit: I want to thank you for the calm, intelligent, and resonable debate.
Sir, I too thank you for your thoughtful discourse. It is through the patient, rational, discussion that we all learn and begin to acknowledge the thoughts, opinions and expressions (all of which are rooted in our unique, individual life experiences) of each of us regardless of our several differences. Please forgive the lengthy responses but I feel it was necessary to express my understandings as clearly as possible yet embrace your beliefs as well.
Now to your very valid position, the history of mankind, worldwide, has been built upon civil uprisings against governmental abuses. Volumes from every nation and tribe record this to include the American Revolution, Civil War, Indian Wars, right up to the current conflicts in Afghanistan,Yemen, the Uyghurs of China, the Rohingya of Myanmar. The difference, I believe is found in the Bible, in our faith in Jesus The Christ. Don't get me wrong, I am not, repeat NOT a pacifist by any means and there are numerous accounts in the scripture pointing to the fact that there has been, and will be a time for the followers of Jesus to rise up in a big way and it is my hope that I am worthy to be one of His soldiers. Getting back to the root of this thread, our attitudes and behaviors during this Covid-19 period versus the decrees put in place by a struggling government, manned by flawed human who probably are just as confused and frightened for themselves and their loved ones as everyone else in this society/world.
The key I believe, again, I believe is to ask the question "What Would Jesus Do In This Situation/Time Frame?" I must be honest, based upon what was written about Him, I think He would have hunkered down and restricted His movements in accordance with the mandates. Remember, although He was God, He chose to put on human flesh and to experience exactly what we experience. Yet, being God, He has the power of creation ... He can immediately eliminate the disease, the conflicts, the wars, and easiest of all the evil and malicious leaders and their cohort. However, for some reason, yet to be fully grasped, He chose and still chooses not to make that happen. God expects His Believers to follow His plan for us through our individual actions and behaviors and He allows us to "choose" to obey or not. Remember, during the Roman occupation of Jerusalem it is thought that Judas believed and wanted Jesus to raise up the ultimate insurrection/war but over the course of time Jesus Himself told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world.
John 18:35-37 King James Version (KJV)
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
I guess to conclude my answer, if we as Believers, understand that this world and system are not out "home", we can yield to some of its flaws without suffering harm nor disruption to the Kingdom Peace that we receive in our minds, hearts and loving interactions with others. Believe me, at times it is very hard, a struggle to be exact to comply with the system that has been corrupted by the prince of this world ... but this is not our home. In a sense, just as when I joined the military, I was recognized as a citizen of the United States and subject to its laws and the UCMJ, right? When I was posted TDY, overseas in other countries, I was also subject to the laws and customs of those countries, but at the same time, my allegiance and citizenship to the United States was never lost and I was in a sense an ambassador. After a period of time, I received orders to return home.
Just as it was with Jesus, it is the same with us as Believers, our "home" is not of this world and at some point we will all receive irrevocable orders to return home where we will all stand accountable for the way we lived our lives and behaved while "TDY" to this world. Our compliance with the dictates, laws and decrees of this land is required and thankfully it incorporates a system where we do have a voice and myriad methods, to address those mandates we believe are overreaches of power.
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Just read this. FINALLY someone with some sense. Also, William Barr and the Justice Dept are going to be getting involved due to these local tyrants violating the Constitution.
I am in no way opting to go lick a toilet seat in NY or go touch everything in the store. But for these tyrants to rope off certain things they deem nonessential in the store is a step too far. Or arresting preachers for holding a parking lot sermon, those Mayors and governors need a little jail time themselves.
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Well,
Not all.
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I see three possible outcomes:
1. A cure & vaccine are discovered.
2. Like all past plagues, it will kill some people and then pass away with anybody knowing exactly why.
3. This is The Big One, everybody dies.
In any case, we can't do anything about it, so keeping building models and clean up your shop.
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If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for them? Hope
If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for Trump? Better than Clinton
“Why would Trump lie?”, I do not know, but he does it all the time. Does he really or do you just think so
Why is there no general medicare system in the most powerfull state in the world? Why should we pay for Illegals
Why are 30.000.000 americans under or not insured? They need a job that offers it not a minimum wage job
Why do you need guns to trust your neighbours? An armed society is a polite society
When the second civil war wil begin? Soon at this rate
Why do you not listen to the experts on pandemies?
Why do listen to people with an agenda? I don't watch CNN MSNBC OR ABC
Why do you think you a virus is an political thing? The Dems are making it that way
Conclusion; your are f*****EDIT: for foul langauge idiots. So this diatribe makes you a Genius?
like the Roman empire in decline. I think not
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Americans have done a lot more for you than you have done for Americans.
You're welcome.
Now go away. You are just trying to pick a fight. Who writes a post with 43 different questions? Not someone that wants to have an honest debate about a subject.
You don't like us?
Why are you here?
If you are ever in America look one of us up. You can call us names to our face.
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If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for them?
If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for Trump?
“Why would Trump lie?”, I do not know, but he does it all the time.
Why is there no general medicare system in the most powerfull state in the world?
Why are 30.000.000 americans under or not insured?
Why do you need guns to trust your neighbours?
When the second civil war wil begin?
Why do you not listen to the experts on pandemies?
Why do listen to people with an agenda?
Why do you think you a virus is an political thing?
Conclusion; your are " " idiots.
like the Roman empire in decline.
Hey Max,
This is an airplane site, NOT a political forum for "MORONS" like you to rant and rave on.
Try to have a good day, unless you have other plans. LL~ LL~
Jerry
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Jerry,
With all due respect you must be reading some other thread, this thread has been nothing but a political rant with nothing to do with flying or building model airplanes. This has been going since April 5th and has been going round and round calling people names, not offering any solutions and not changing anybody's mind. Why it is in the General section beats me. I though there is a "special" section for members only to go at it, just say'n.
Best, DennisT
Dennis,
There are 3 people on this forum that start the name calling.
Dennis Moritz, Rich Peabody, and Max Utien.
They only speak in insults.
The rest of us just occasionally rise to the bait and respond in kind.
I would much prefer rational discourse but will call a douche bag a douche bag.
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Dennis,
There are 3 people on this forum that start the name calling.
Dennis Moritz, Rich Peabody, and Max Utien.
You forgot one Arlan.
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You forgot one Arlan.
No, Moritz called names first, just not in the thread you are talking about. If he is trolling I go ahead and give him what he's looking for. He has called all supporter's of President Trump some very insulting names ever since his election.
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The older I get, the more I believe in conspiracy theories and less in coincidence theories.
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I find it interesting, but not surprising, that in your country as in mine (England), those who communicate by means of foul-mouthed, abusive ranting are always, always, always politically Of The Left. I'm surprised that they do not realise what harm they are doing to their cause. Perhaps they just can't help themselves.
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If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for them?...WHO ARE YOU TO ASSUME WE DO NOT TRUST GOVERNMENTS GENERALLY....SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS
If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for Trump? AS STATED WE HAD TWO CHOICES AND HILLARY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED OBAMA POLICIES FURTHER BANKRUPTING OUR GREAT NATION
“Why would Trump lie?”, I do not know, but he does it all the time. YOUNG IGNORANT NON AMERICAN...PLEASE SUPPLY ALL THE INCIDENTS OF TRUMP LIES WITH CREDIBLE ACCOUNTING ...NOT BBC, CNN, OR MSNBC...ALL PROVEN LIARS
Why is there no general medicare system in the most powerfull state in the world? HUMM, AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWES...EVERY CITIZEN AND NON CITIZEN IN AMERICA HAS DAILY ACCESS TO THE BEST MEDICINE IN THE WORLD...EVERY EMERGENCY ROOM IN EVERY HOSPITAL IN AMERICA MUST TREAT ANY HUMAN SEEKING CARE...FACT
Why are 30.000.000 americans under or not insured? OK YOU FOUND SOME STAT AND ASKED...TRUTH IS MILLIONS ARE NOT INSURED FOR VARIOUS REASONS YOUR SOURCE FAILED TO MENTION: UNTIL OBAMACARE, CITIZENS WERE NOT MANDATED TO BE INSURED...
MANY MILLIONS OF YOUNG HEALTHY CITIZENS DECIDE THEY WOULD RATHER RISK IT AND BUY A NEW HOME OR BOAT OR CAR....
MANY MILLIONS, LIKE ME, ARE ON VETERANS CARE AND INCLUDED IN YOUR 30M UNINSURED FIGURE... SOME FEW MILLIONS ARE IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE AND OPT TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN SPONSORED HEALTH PLANS FOR SAME REASON AS THE YOUNG ABOVE.
AND QUITE FRANKLY MOST EVERY EU AND GB HEALTH CARE SYSTEM ALSO HAS MANY MILLIONS WHO CAN NOT GET THE FREE CARE SO PROUDLY EXTOLLED....(NON CITIZENS AS ONE EXAMPLE)
QUESTION BACK ---WHY DO SO MANY WITH STATE SPONSORED SO CALLED FREE HEALTH CARE COVERED THEN GO BUY PRIVATE INS AND MANY TRAVEL TO OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE CUBA OR AMERICA FOR MEDICAL SERVICE? FOLLOW ON QUESTION; WHAT PORTION OF 335 MILLION IS 30 MILLION? PERCENTAGE WISE WE ARE WELL ABOVE MOST EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH WITH GOOD HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
Why do you need guns to trust your neighbours? BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY BAD PEOPLE WHO ROB, STEAL, MAIM, RAPE, AND KILL PEOPLE...THE POLICE ARE NOT MANDATED OR EXPECTED TO PROTECT EVERYBODY...PROTECTING OURSELVES IS A GOD ENDOWED RIGHT...TO NOT BE ABLE TO PROTECT SELF AND FAMILY IS FOOLISH AND FRANKLY ABSURD
When the second civil war wil begin? WELL SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW OF YOUR COUNTRIES HISTORY. AMERICAN 2ND CIVIL WAR WILL MOST LIKELY HAPPEN IF SO CALLED SOCIALISTS (HIDDEN COMMUNISTS) GAIN POWER AND START DESTROYING AMERICA
Why do you not listen to the experts on pandemies? WHY DO YOU NOT SEE THAT "THE EXPERTS" HAVE TIME AND TIME AGAIN BEEN WRONG...CRYING WOLF HAS THE EFFECT OF DELAYING ACTION..THAT SAID THE TRUMP TIMELINE VS THE WORLD DOESN'T SUGGEST HE WAS LATE TO RESPOND
Why do listen to people with an agenda? EVERY PERSON ON EARTH HAS AN AGENDA EVEN YOUR SNOTTY DISRESPECTFUL BUTT...GET OVER IT AND GO GET EDUCATED
Why do you think you a virus is an political thing? BECAUSE IT SO OBVIOUSLY IS. IF CHINA CONSPIRED TO HOSE AMERICA AND D TRUMP ...PROBABLE THEORY, THEN IT MOST CERTAINLY IS A BIOLOGICAL POLITICAL & FINANCIAL WEAPON WE MUST ASSESS AND RESPOND TO...AND TRUST ME, WE WILL
Conclusion; your are fu*K*ng idiots. SAID THE BIGGEST FIDIOT TO OPINE HERE
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I find it interesting, but not surprising, that in your country as in mine (England), those who communicate by means of foul-mouthed, abusive ranting are always, always, always politically Of The Left. I'm surprised that they do not realise what harm they are doing to their cause. Perhaps they just can't help themselves.
I don't know about England but as a moderate Canadian I got so pissed off at being bombarded by all the back and forth news coverage that I actually came close to unplugging, I even deleted a bunch of accounts including this one but obviously I did re-register, anywho as I said I don't know about England but as a moderate I can tell you 100% without question here in North America it goes both ways, whether they want to admit it or not both sides are equally bad at foul mouthed abusive ranting and it breaks my heart to see it. I started a thread called "Humor Section?" and someone posted a joke that the punch line involved drowning millions of people simply because of their political affiliation, I was gobsmacked that some found this funny, I see it as a very sad statement on where a once wonderful Country is right now, I wish everyone peace and love.
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This is a GREAT test case for the Global Warming and Clean Air freaks.
US industry, travel, and commerce are dead-stopped.
Let's see if the globe gets any cooler and the cleanest air in the history of the world gets even cleaner.
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Find me one American Socialist.
We just had one running for President, good old Bernie Sanders. Then there is his cohort Miss A.O.C.. Learned a lot about what she thinks from Hillary Clinton and her old man Bill, who have all been supported by George Soros, a rich socialist.. We got lots of them over here, and that's part of the problem. Ask anyone from California, they'll have a map to the stars for you!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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This is a GREAT test case for the Global Warming and Clean Air freaks.
US industry, travel, and commerce are dead-stopped.
Let's see if the globe gets any cooler and the cleanest air in the history of the world gets even cleaner.
Oh Boy! In the Earth's 4.5 Billion years and man's 200,000 years of being around, you expect a month's worth of reduced activity to cleanse 250 years of industrial and social pollution and the Earth to cool? I think the air was somewhat cleaner when the dinosaurs were around - didn't help them survive though! And climate change is recorded in fractional degree changes over ten's of years - a month wouldn't even register!
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Although, an article in yesterday's newspaper noted that air quality in greater Los Angeles was suddenly much better.
They theorized that the lack of heavy car and truck traffic was responsible. Could be.
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Ever wonder what's really going on? spend an hour and watch this before it's deleted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ
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Floyd,
For sure in Seattle the air is a whole bunch cleaner..
John L.
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Ever wonder what's really going on? spend an hour and watch this before it's deleted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ
It would be so cool if Stunthangar got Q'd .
I watched that video this past weekend. After about halfway through he ties in Jeffrey Epstien.
There has to be some reason that the Justice Dept is sitting on close to 150,000 sealed indictments.
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It would be so cool if Stunthangar got Q'd .
I watched that video this past weekend. After about halfway through he ties in Jeffrey Epstien.
There has to be some reason that the Justice Dept is sitting on close to 150,000 sealed indictments.
I follow 8 chan but I will never be Q'd here
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There is nothing apolitical about any university.
Chris...
I think I'll continue to watch the University of Washington feed to get my information. It's non-political, as it should be.
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Universities (and public schools):
Have been preaching their doctrine since the 1970s, growing ever bolder over the decades. Thus, we have several generations of indoctrinated College/High School grads that bought into their beliefs on each agenda point. Who would have thought that we would be facing the very real possibility of full-blown Socialism being voted-in here in the USA? The Universities and public schools have done their jobs well.
"Out Of Shadows":
Thought provoking. If accurate, then quite disturbing.
Virus:
Apparently as the numbers continue to come in, it isn't anywhere near the catastrophic proportions that was being touted. Even the "Yay! America is in a recession! We may be able to be beat the Orange Man now!!" leftists that jumped on the astronomical mortality rate hysteria are having to eat some crow and modify their stances too.
Shut down:
Most concerning item to me about this, is the civil liberties abuse by some state/local governments. Let's you know just how far they will go if they think they can get away with it.
All of the above are my own personal opinions from watching/reading both sides over this issue (and issues over the past decades) and it will do you no good to try to convince me otherwise.
Andre
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Although, an article in yesterday's newspaper noted that air quality in greater Los Angeles was suddenly much better.
They theorized that the lack of heavy car and truck traffic was responsible. Could be.
So by that reasoning nothing should be transported / moved / carried with vehicles using IC engines to get any global benefit?
And someone actually theorised about something so obvious ? Next they'll be theorising why the car / person accident rate has gone down recently - hope they graduated High School.
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Respectfully, I understand and agree the seasonal flu can and does take out high numbers of people with other underlining serious conditions, but the Covid19 is two and half times more contagious. This is the problem with this situation.
Covid19 also seems to be more aggressive against the immune system which for those at high risk is enough to overwhelm the it and allow the other conditions which were at bay to attack. Resulting in what we see in NYC and other hot spots with hospitals fighting to keep up. Bottom line is we all need to do our part so we get things opened up and following the simple guidelines is the way we can make a difference.
Best, DennisT
Respectfully Dennis-
While COVID-19 seems pretty obviously more contagious, the CDC have serious problems with the statistics on it.
1) Apparently they don't consider the patients overall health. If the patient has other medical problems at the same time COVID-19 aggravates them and if the patient dies the virus is put on the death certificate. To properly find out how serious the virus is they need at least 3 classes for the DC. 1-Death due to the virus, no other problems indicated. 2- one existing problem and the virus. 3- multiple complications and the virus.
Lumping multiple diseases together and putting the cause down as the virus misleadingly inflates the effects of the virus, particularly if one of the complications is more serious than the others.
No reliable measurements of actual infection rates and recoveries- due to lack of adequate tests for the virus and for antibodies to the virus the CDC has had no way to effectively measure the actual extent of the virus. Now tests are available but there is no word of anyone planning a random survey, using a test for antibodies, of apparently well people of a representative number of at least 3 races- white-descendants primarily of european/caucasian extraction, Latino/Hispanic- descendants primarily of native people before 1492, and Asian- descendants primarily of East Asian extraction, and Black- primarily descendants of natives of sub-Saharan tribes/countries. This needs to be a large sample, at least 100,000 people, and chosen by random selection and spread proportionately around the world. If the CDC was on the ball they would have already done this kind of test in the United States, but they haven't and I've seen no word of one planned.
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Watch this to see who is really responsible for this mess.
https://youtu.be/WGbYHJcMbz8
Boom! BUSTED Dr. Fauci in his own words
https://youtu.be/BpwndRgw-kI
Yes, guys, I know this is a model airplane forum but we are under attack and the message needs to get out
watch all four of these
https://youtu.be/KzXs1OHvItA
The video starts at Fauci here
https://youtu.be/BpwndRgw-kI?t=216
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Another guy trying to sell books, he doesn't show documents to back up his claim. If all that Butler is claiming is true, why is the President going along with it. Trump does not take council from many people (read the Art of the Deal), mostly himself. He has access to and clearance to read all the files and records, if there were a way to prove this was a hokes or just like the flu he would find it and exploit it. The majority of people dyeing from this are in his base, can't lose them. They don't have anything but the fact that over 497,000 cases are recorded in the US. Trump knows something and his actions prove it.
Fauci is not driving Trump's decisions, there is something that Trump believes is indisputable for him to take the actions he has taken. We will not likely find this out in our lifetime. Fact is most cases are mild but if you have anything else working on your body Covid 19 seems to act as a catalyst to let it overwhelm the immune system and make you sick or could lead to death. Even as some areas reopen, distance, hand washing and face cover are still the smart thing to do.
Best, DennisT
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You can believe what you want but don't say I didn't warn anyone.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1251785325271289857
In 2015 he said this listen for yourself for the Surprise outbreak. How did he know? WAKE UP everyone we are being lied to
With all due respect Dennis you don't need documents to know that water is wet and the sky is blue.
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Robert brother I too don't know who or what to trust anymore but gotta say....I only rely on entire videos or transcripts with entire CONTEXT....
I have been tv news junkie before Trump...thus I have seen 75% of all his camera time, G8, KIM, CANADA, STATE OF UNIONS, COVID BRIEFINGS...always astounded at MSM and their deliberate omissions and distortion to plain criminal slanderous, outrageous libelous lies.
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This is a doctored video that takes things out of context, FAKE Video. Many doctors (and science fiction writers) have said there could be a surprise outbreak that result in world wide spread of "something" be that SARs, bird flu, HIV, or 5G for many years. This is not just Facui. Butler is not practicing in the field treating this outbreak and is hipping is book and YouTube to sell books. Without documents to back up his claims nothing he say would hold up in a court of law.
Again, if we are being lied to why is Trump going along with it. Look at his actions not his words, this is serious. As we reopen this is very likely a second wave to come but we have bought time for the supply chain and hospital staff to be able to combat it better, may even be a third wave. Each time we will get better at containing it until it is either gone or under control.
Best, DennisT
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Quite the Fanboy.
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Robert,
Good stuff and I follow your Tweets.
I said day one the Democrats and China are responsible for this.
If you followed politics for any number of years, myself, over 30 years now, you know for certain what these Democrats are all about and what countries they are in bed with and why.
It's now so obvious you shouldn't have to explain it to anyone.
So, take these Democrat evil doings and add Propaganda. Interesting word BTW. Propaganda works. It does sway the mind and when it's brought to a complicated level over time, conspiracy if you will, their goal is reached. Quite easily in fact. There are great examples of how propaganda/lies have altered millions of lives in many Communists countries.
Every desperate attempt or method the Democrats have used to remove Trump has failed.
This virus is simply the next attempt in criminal activity to remove Trump or to destroy the US economy. I know, for some it's difficult to believe. 8 years of Obama's international criminal dealings, AND with years of MSM back-up, more propaganda and lies, add China, and Lord knows what else, plu$ other dealing$ a$ bad a$ a human being can get.
The results are many laws have been broken. Obviously.
Bottom line. Democrats are afraid of going to prison, many of them. All these attempts to remove Trump, now the virus, is about staying out of prison. It's that simple.
Like a rat in a corner.
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The greatest weakness of the American people is not that we can be fooled so easily. The greatest weakness of the American people is that we cannot admit when we have been fooled.
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Well, you may be right. We Americans tend to be optimist and hold out hope for a better tomorrow. Sometimes we miss the mark. We elected this president and his republican colleges who are leading this effort. Are they all lying to us? Why, what benefit do they get from this is the country is in ruins?
If all this lying to us is true what course of action do these book sellers want people to take? Should we just forget every recommendation and go back to hugging and shaking hands and coughing on one another?
SHOW ME THE PROOF that this will result in less cases and death!! Which of your family or friends would you want to go to a city and mingle with an open population to see if they don't get this or that it's not that bad?
Covid 19 doesn't care about the politics. I believe this would have happened no matter who was president. We have not taking the idea of a global pandemic to be possible with modern medicine. We were wrong. What was also not envisioned was the weakness of the material supply chain to get needed supplies to where they were needed. We will do better for the second wave.
Best, DennisT
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We seem to have two threads going on here. A Covid 19 prevention thread and, "a who invented the internet thread". Which one is it? ???
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Watch the white house press core and listen close to this message, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0WXwTul9jc
youtube took the video down. Thanks, Tony for saving it. I too have it on my computer so I might need to make a gif. Censorship sucks.
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White House press never came up?
Interesting talented stuff though.
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"Everyone here has been VACCINATED anyway........"
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They are Lying to us!
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The video/footage has been altered.
Watch the beginning, notice how the video "skips." That skip is a "still" frame edit.
All the audio has been replaced and the banner text was replaced, never existed actually in the original footage. Audio?, they can put in anything they want. And they did.
Nicely done though.
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https://youtu.be/KIlTD5hv__c
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_M1xKcNXx8
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Number and a letter?
5G
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The video/footage has been altered.
Watch the beginning, notice how the video "skips." That skip is a "still" frame edit.
All the audio has been replaced and the banner text was replaced, never existed actually in the original footage. Audio?, they can put in anything they want. And they did.
Nicely done though.
Did a search and it looks like it was just two reporters from FOX and the NYT having some fun, it's real but they were only joking around.
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Did a search and it looks like it was just two reporters from FOX and the NYT having some fun, it's real but they were only joking around.
Dwayne,
Thank you for the effort in research.
That short is a excellent example of political propaganda. And there is so so many examples. Everything the Left says is propaganda. LL~ Not really funny actually. Damaging.
I strongly believe Trump has been extremely mislead on this virus issue. Lied to is probably a more truthful word. He's been bashed and riddled with lies since day one, actually well before this.
Trump has exposed the king of people we have in Government for those that didn't already know.
The Country is still in much trouble. We must all stick together for support because these are life altering times. Not a good thing.
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Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless. But they will protect you. They can save you, no they can’t, they’re useless, but wear one anyway. Now they’re mandatory. But maybe. Or not.
3. Stores are closed, except for the ones that are open.
4. You should not go to the hospital unless you have to go there. Stay out of the ER at all costs unless you’re having a medical emergency then it’s okay.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster. Stay calm.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help. Especially if you wear the same pair for hours and everywhere you go, then you can not spread germs, nope. #science
7. Everyone needs to stay home, but it's important to go out because sun. Sunlight will kill the virus but not if the virus kills you first by walking in the sunlight where you may be exposed to the virus.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it has affected or will affect.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested yet, and a tiger.. and one really deadly but also possibly fictional but very sick bat.
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms.
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but also never go out to the grocery store so eat shelf stable processed crap and stay inside your four walls but also stay healthy.
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you may be arrested if you’re getting fresh air the wrong way and most importantly, don't go to a park, the fresh air there is deadly.
14. Under no circumstances should you go to retirement homes, but if you have to take care of the elderly and bring them food and medication then fine. Just wear gloves. The same ones. All day.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy to get your medications. Just don’t make eye contact cause you may spread your sickness that way.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to leave your groceries outside for 3 hours to be decontaminated by the fresh air that also may have virus particles floating around in it.
17. Taxi drivers are immune to the virus apparently since you can still take a taxi ride with a random taxi driver. Just don’t take the taxi to your mom’s house because you know. Stay away from your mom.
18. You can walk around with a friend if you stay six feet apart but don’t visit with your family if they don't live under the same roof as you. Even if you’ve all been locked inside for two months already. You may still have the virus and just not know it yet. You’ll find out. Wait another week. Wasn’t that week? Might be the next one. Keep waiting.
19. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance. Social distancing means you shouldn’t leave your house and don’t be social, except you may go to the liquor store but don’t socialize there while you’re being socially distant.
20. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
21. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
22. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…
23. The virus will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity.. but stay inside until the virus disappears.
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Mr. Chewning, you may not know it but I think you have a future as a government spokesperson! I have the feeling now that I don't understand things completely, where as before, I wasn't sure that I didn't understand the situation. Thanks for making this explanation. H^^
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Have to admit, reading this was pretty entertaining.
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I'm certainly no HCP (Health Care Professional), but...
The key phrase that has me concerned is "herd immunity."
Does that mean the ones left AFTER the initial die-off are immune? If so, then does it mean we MUST sacrifice the weaker on order to support the remaining "strong ones?"
Surely "they" don't imply that the entire herd "earns" or "develops" said immunity without loss of life...but "they" certainly aren't detailing just how the herd becomes immune.
I don't believe this Pandemic to be a hoax, nor do I believe it was "released by accident." Yes, I do believe in conspiracies. I suspect a nation with 3B people can afford to lose a bunch just to pass it around the world to kill off competition or make the rest of the planet dependant on the medical resources it sells around the planet. My concern is how can we trust the supplies coming from the nation that proved just how quickly/easily this Pandemic can propagate?
Oh, and yes, I've too been entertained by this thread. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
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Pat.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, you may be right, you may be wrong, but that without question is the post of the month. y1 <= n~ LL~
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There are 2 things we know without doubt.
More people have the virus than we are aware of and the percentage of deaths is lower because of the previous assertion. We know about every death that occurs. We also know from many doctor's testimony that deaths are being attributed to Covid 19 when other factors have been responsible for death.
My son works at a hospital in Shelby County Tennessee. Memphis. They are being sent home for lack of work. Shelby is one of the counties not allowed to open May 1st because of Corona virus.
He says despite the lack of patients, if someone suspected of Covid 19 "codes" and no family is present they let them die without attempting to rescussitate them. It really bothers him. He chose his field to help people, not watch them die over political theater. If any of you have to go into the hospital over the next couple of months make sure that a family member is with you 24 hours a day.
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I just copied and pasted this.
Yesterday at 7:22 PM
From Trey Gowdy:
I'm not saying Covid-19 isn't real... But Pay attention folks, there's much more going on here than what meets the eye.
Is it a coincidence that just when the economy is booming, the stock market is setting record highs, we are winning the trade wars, school shootings have stopped, our nation is at peace, the Democratic party is a disaster and so is their likely nominee(Biden). He hasn't a chance in hell & they're not about to let an outsider(Bernie) destroy their scheme.
It looks like Trump is a sure bet for reelection after fending off 3 years of investigations and impeachment, then all the sudden world crisis pandemic. Stock market tumbles, companies are laying off employees, everything is closed and canceled, CEO's of giant companies are resigning and indictments are coming.
Now they say there are a couple ways a President doesn't win reelection. Those are an unpopular war or a poor economy.
But there is something larger going on here driving this sudden outbreak right after Trump beats an impeachment. Especially the fact that it(Corona virus)originated in China who we are in a global trade war with brought on by Trump. Let's not forget Biden's back door deals with CHINA as well.
China doesn't want 4 more years of Trump either. It all seems rather convenient for the nations and opponents of our current President and economy 5 months before an election. Couldn't have hit at a more perfect time.
With the Democrats running out of campaign talking points in light of no school shootings, no migrant caravans at the southern border, fighting in Syria winding down, North Korea not firing missiles and Trump beating a sham impeachment. The corona virus gave them one last hail Mary to try and point fingers at Trump with the clock winding down in 2020.
This is almost the perfect fascist playbook. Control the population with fear-mongering and panic, control the media, spread propaganda and the fan-favorite disarm the population. Oh, and did anyone notice that while they are mad as hell at Trump for not sending aid to Ukraine, they THEMSELVES voted AGAINST giving ANY emergency aid to all Americans ?
Sorry but I don't think we are all going to die. Remember when Ebola was what was going to kill us all, and the media kept showing the piles of body bags that were prepared for the fallout. Then a month later it was totally forgotten.
The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!
A handful of deaths out of 320 million Americans and we are in panic tearing down our society and costing our economy billions in the wake. It all just seems fishy, a little too well-timed if you ask me.
Copy and paste if you dare.
Trey Gowdy
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Interesting take on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bouR1nF5FbM
Possibly a fire drill.
When was the footage taken?
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I just copied and pasted this.
Yesterday at 7:22 PM
From Trey Gowdy:
I'm not saying Covid-19 isn't real... But Pay attention folks, there's much more going on here than what meets the eye.
Is it a coincidence that just when the economy is booming, the stock market is setting record highs, we are winning the trade wars, school shootings have stopped, our nation is at peace, the Democratic party is a disaster and so is their likely nominee(Biden). He hasn't a chance in hell & they're not about to let an outsider(Bernie) destroy their scheme.
It looks like Trump is a sure bet for reelection after fending off 3 years of investigations and impeachment, then all the sudden world crisis pandemic. Stock market tumbles, companies are laying off employees, everything is closed and canceled, CEO's of giant companies are resigning and indictments are coming.
Now they say there are a couple ways a President doesn't win reelection. Those are an unpopular war or a poor economy.
But there is something larger going on here driving this sudden outbreak right after Trump beats an impeachment. Especially the fact that it(Corona virus)originated in China who we are in a global trade war with brought on by Trump. Let's not forget Biden's back door deals with CHINA as well.
China doesn't want 4 more years of Trump either. It all seems rather convenient for the nations and opponents of our current President and economy 5 months before an election. Couldn't have hit at a more perfect time.
With the Democrats running out of campaign talking points in light of no school shootings, no migrant caravans at the southern border, fighting in Syria winding down, North Korea not firing missiles and Trump beating a sham impeachment. The corona virus gave them one last hail Mary to try and point fingers at Trump with the clock winding down in 2020.
This is almost the perfect fascist playbook. Control the population with fear-mongering and panic, control the media, spread propaganda and the fan-favorite disarm the population. Oh, and did anyone notice that while they are mad as hell at Trump for not sending aid to Ukraine, they THEMSELVES voted AGAINST giving ANY emergency aid to all Americans ?
Sorry but I don't think we are all going to die. Remember when Ebola was what was going to kill us all, and the media kept showing the piles of body bags that were prepared for the fallout. Then a month later it was totally forgotten.
The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!
A handful of deaths out of 320 million Americans and we are in panic tearing down our society and costing our economy billions in the wake. It all just seems fishy, a little too well-timed if you ask me.
Copy and paste if you dare.
Trey Gowdy
I said the same thing with less words.
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Yes.
But you know politicians are not short on words.
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This Virus is the tip of the iceberg. And no one is learning anything from it until it's too late.
For you Drone lovers or haters.
The NYPD will now be using Drones so will Connecticut, for starters. All states will follow.
Deals are in the process, as I type this, with UPS for drone package delivery. Others will follow.
This means there will eventually be THOUSANDS of these Drones in our skies, mostly for civilian surveillance, and package delivery.
The dumb people doing this are opening the door to possible human annihilation in the US.
I just read similar thoughts on Twitter so I'm not the only one thinking about this.
FOX News guest, they had a guy, there's always a guy, working with UPS.
Drones come from China.
Can you imagine a few thousand Drones delivering a deadly virus to the American population?
We had a cake walk with COVID-19 compared to what could be. And it most certainly would be sooner or later.
Why do they not think of the consequences and public safety, let alone the destruction of the USA.
There is no future that looks sunny.
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One more Nugget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBAvyq34_OI
Here is what I think is going on.
Does anyone remember hearing that Trump was the king of debt? I do. I think he is taking us into the United States of Zimbabwe. Only to re-issue the dollar in the red seal US treasury note and dump the Federal Reserve notes. Thus paying off or debt in 5 years. The interest accrued on the money we borrow from a Private company is Ludacris. This Ponzi scheme can not continue. I wrote a while back how long a Trillion seconds was to put it into perspective it was 37000 + years. Everyone must say no to the digital dollar or mandatory vaccines
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Here is some news with no MSM or Youtubers spin. Straight from some frontline Doctor's mouths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU
Youtube censored this video. I wonder why is it because they are over the target? I am sick of this BS
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Sparky,
Comments:
Kern county is a very rural, agricultural area in the central valley of California. Often called the bread basket. I would speculate that, as such, you are going to find a lot of pragmatic people there. People that farm deal with tough issues every year, I’m sure. Perhaps that shapes outlooks differently. My takeaways from this press conference:
1. They presented no specific methodology to transition from lockdown of the healthy to lockdown of the ill. This particular disease seems to differ in that there is more chance of spreading it before symptoms are sufficient to recognize the illness. Their answer to that was, it is not realistic to test everybody, and there will be spread. We can’t help that. And people will die. It’s just like the flu. People die.
2. They presented no effective plan to test to separate the ill from those to be allowed to return to work. All the details are missing.
3. They are championing an immediate, sequential reopening, but are planning to use new rapid tests “…that are just coming out.” In other words, he is railing that isolation of the healthy shouldn’t have been done, but his justification for opening up now depends on new test that is not fully available or deployed. So saying that we should not have been attempting to separate the sick from the healthy by executing a stay at home plan for the well is disingenuous at the very least.
4. Let’s face it, he also undermines his credibility to a degree since he is apparently the head of the medical organization and repeatedly cited his concerns over furloughed staff, open beds, and therefore diminished revenues. In other words, he is including his own bias of financial bottom line for his organization in his overall judgement. It would be unrealistic to expect otherwise, but conversely attacking researchers as “living in ivory towers” is perhaps a bit unfair as well. Who really has the best interests in their patients health? Neither group seems to be standing on superior moral high ground.
5. The bottom line question which no one dares ask and no one dares answer is simply this: So all the people that were vulnerable in Italy were going to die anyway. And in Spain. And Russia. And….. in the USA, too. It’s a hard message, but really, there is little doctors could do. Right? If the hospitals become overwhelmed, then that’s an outcome we should expect. Except that after the fact, when he has data showing rates that he could not know beforehand, he can with benefit of hindsight point out where maybe less drastic action might have been appropriate.
6. Let’s face it—he didn’t say he was on the front lines in New York city, or New Jersey. Or Los Angeles. He is in rural Kern County. Maybe that gives him the detachment to be more objective, and maybe that’s good. But maybe it means that his personal experience based on his hospital system’s actual data applies pretty much to Kern County. He tried not to comment on what is going on in the Los Angeles metropolitan area. That was probably a wise decision on his part. But he should have left out the innuendo their as well.
I would like to have heard a more nuanced discussion, and some better answers to things that were glossed over or taken as true today but remained unknown for a long time. Hindsight is 20/20—but this discussion didn’t provide any more than a jumping off point for the future. No foresight that I could see except for unsupported claims of a vast new wave of infections (other that coronavirus) to come from sheltering in place and lack of vitamin D. And that would be one of my questions, too. How can you have it both ways? They say the current restrictions are ineffective because people are going to Costco, etc. But still there is going to be a vast wave of new (non-coronavirus) infections after the restrictions are lifted. Which is it? No, I don’t want to trust your twenty years of experience as a practicing physician that this question doesn’t need to be answered. I want your actual answer….
Other than that, it was a good discussion and at least had one reporter asking hard questions, although done in a combative way. No wonder they all get a bad reputation. And it sounded like he was chewing on his face mask....
Thanks for posting the video,
The Divot
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I don't believe in all the conspiracy theories going around. I don't believe that blaming anyone or any country is going to solve anything.
What I do believe in is; I'm going to bust a gut trying to keep from getting the virus. Nothing else matters.
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Floyd,
I agree with you. We need to get through this an doing common sense things washing, covering, distance doesn't cost anything and is simple to do. We will get through this.
Best, DennisT
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And then there is my rural county with a boat load of old folks nursing homes, 19~21K population ( lots of undocumented), 7500 in the big town, most ranchers, farmers, our just country folk.
To Date only 2 tested positive and survived
Yet we got shut down and except for a couple of businesses the county is decimated economically,,,totally FUBAR and paltry fed handouts will not replace a very thriving rural community
you all talk crap about how bad IT COULD BE...but I can read and apply sense, common sense and a well trained Army career of critical thinking....
Lampasas County Texas...one county west of largest military base in North America Ft Hood
2020 to date two confirmed cases, zero hospitalization, zero deaths
2020 to date (not aug~dec last year) 135 cases of Annual flu, 87 hospitalized, 35 deaths
things that make you go hummmmmm
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It's a miracle. We seem to have found a new way to treat pneumonia and influenza.
This is from the CDC site. Only a sheep would continue to believe what we are being told.
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US NAVY
(https://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=56168.0;attach=311134;image)
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Thank God for people like him.
He took an oath for life.
Keep your powder dry.
This may be what the release of this virus is about.
https://video214.com/play/ZKnHmFk9gU3Yltuglv1dlQ/s/dark
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Go to James Comey''s twitter page.
He is tweeting pictures of a rose saying spring has come to his garden.
For anyone out there with any sense, how many roses bloom north of I-40 in April?
Who is he trying to communicate with?
Don't be a sheep.
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Thank God for people like him.
He took an oath for life.
Keep your powder dry.
This may be what the release of this virus is about.
https://video214.com/play/ZKnHmFk9gU3Yltuglv1dlQ/s/dark
Thank-Q
https://youtu.be/6KpWmRqZGqU
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This is a pge and a half of 9 pages If you would like i can post all 9 pages.
How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds
As you read this work and put its principles into practice, there are two basic axioms you never want to forget. They are the rock upon which all your actions are based. 1. Nobody, anywhere or any time and under any circumstances has the right or power in this country to immunize you or your children against your will and conviction. If they attempt to do so, you can legally charge them with "assault with a deadly weapon" and have the full resources of our laws behind you. 2. At all times in attempting to avoid unwanted immunization, you have the Law of the Land behind you. Those who would try to vaccinate you against your will are on very shaky ground. Into every compulsory immunization law in America are written legal exceptions and waivers which are there specifically to protect you from the attempted tyranny of officialdom. It is not only your right, but your obligation to use them, if this is what your conscience tells you.
Article I In all your contacts with any member of the school, public health, or legal establishment, always remain calm, courteous, and humbly reverent toward their position. You are only asking of them that which the law duty binds them to give you. There is no reason, or advantage, to be gained by antagonizing them.
Most of these officials believe they are discharging their trust as outlined by law. If they are overstepping the law, then you must very diplomatically bring the true facts to their attention, but without attempting to belittle them.
The more you can preserve their ego, the more easily and quickly you are likely to get what you desire - a waiver of immunization.
Rule No. 1: Do not harass, belittle, or antagonize officials unnecessarily.
Article 2 All compulsory laws concerning vaccination (including the military) contain exceptions and waivers. It is these protections placed in the laws that you may legally use to exclude yourself and your children. Surprisingly, these exceptions were placed there, not for your sake (although you may take advantage of them), but for the protection of
30795003How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds
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not for your sake (although you may take advantage of them), but for the protection of the establishment.
How is this? Let us assume that these exceptions were not there and everyone was actually forced to be immunized. Should a child die or become mentally or physically disabled, the parent would have the perfect case to sue the doctor, the school, the health department, and even the state legislature for enormous damages.
Since they allowed no exceptions, they must accept full responsibility for all the adverse consequences of the law.
However, if exception waivers are placed in the law, the responsibility is then transferred back to the parent. If a child should be injured by immunization, the officials can say, "Well, the parent should have exempted him if they thought there was any danger."
Therefore, there is in truth no such thing as a compulsory vaccination law in this country. They are ALL, in essence, voluntary. The problem is that practically no one in authority will let you know this fact.
Rule No. 2: There are no compulsory vaccination laws. All are voluntary, and you are held responsible for the adverse results upon you or your children.
Article 3 While all immunization laws have exceptions you can use, the wording in each state differs, and you must know the exact wording for your state to make the proper request of waiver. This information can be obtained in one of two ways. 1. Go to the reference section of your local library- look in the State Statute Revised Law Book under Public Health Law or Communicable Disease sections. The list of immunization requirements will appear first and then the exemptions will be given. Usually one or two provisions will be listed: either on religious or medical grounds or both. 2. You may call or write your state representative and ask for a copy of the immunization laws in your state. Making this available is part of his job, and it will be sent promptly.
Rule No. 3: Know your own state law so that you can conform to its exact requirements for exemption.
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Valid questions being raised, IMHO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KACUbQjvrk
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Kills Covid in one minute, kills you in 2 minutes.
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Kills Covid in one minute, kills you in 2 minutes.
(https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/?action=dlattach;attach=311294;image)
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Kills Covid in one minute, kills you in 2 minutes.
And this "pull the wool over your eyes moment" doesn't say that this is exactly what chemo therapy does. They inject poison into you that kills it's intended target and then gets it out before it kills you. Don't forget sunlight kills the virus too. Go and fly your planes.
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Watch this Pentagon briefing from 15 years ago. Bill Gates is laying out the plan. Pay close attention after the 3 minute mark.
Edit: On closer inspection I don't think that's Bill Gates but someone with the same stupid looking haircut.
https://youtu.be/spw5nmUrpWA
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Watch this Pentagon briefing from 15 years ago. Bill Gates is laying out the plan. Pay close attention after the 3 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/spw5nmUrpWA
Wow that is some seriuosly messed up s**t.
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You guys probably won't like this, but snopes says "fake", with lots of detail about why and who faked it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-cant-swap-the-signal/
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You guys probably won't like this, but snopes says "fake", with lots of detail about why and who faked it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-cant-swap-the-signal/
Interesting read, reminds me of my dream last night.
I went to sleep thinking about Pushy Galore, as you can imagine, but somehow or because of something I can just remember bits and pieces.
I do remember being pushed and shoved into a long line I didn't want to be in, bad enough, and with people I knew didn't like me. Imagine.
The line moved quickly you could hear voices and the uneasiness from everyone, but I could only see the back of heads. Yes, I was last in line and frightened just as much as all others but I knew my reasons and didn't know theirs. "Why is this happening," I thought.
The line began to more much more rapidly, twice as fast now. It was dark, cold and all I could hear now was the sound of compressed air. Fast rapid short bursts!
Suddenly, two guys, there's always a guy, they grabbed me, one on each side to keep me from moving. Finally I realized the noise I heard was the sound of being vaccinated! BAM!! BAM!! Both arms, like when I was in the military, but this time I couldn't feel it.
All of a sudden how strange, everything became bright like sunshine and colorful all multi colors everywhere. I felt good, really good. I saw the others, everyone was happy and gathering around each other for company and friendship. They came to me to shake my hand.
I saw a hand extended, it was real, I know it was real, it must be real, another hand was about to pat me on the back, am I in heaven? So I reached for the extended hand, I was just about ready to take hold, then I woke up. It was just a dream.
Typical normal morning though, but when I was shaving I noticed my upper arms, both of them had deep red marks and were tender to the touch. Red marks from what?
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You guys probably won't like this, but snopes says "fake", with lots of detail about why and who faked it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-cant-swap-the-signal/
Yeah, Snopes is the standard of truth. It is run by Trump hating leftists.
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They also said fake when Trump said that Obama tapped his wires at Trump Tower. Y'all hide and watch and see what happens on that front over the next few months.
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The storm is coming
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The storm is coming
The Great Awakening
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Yeah, Snopes is the standard of truth. It is run by Trump hating leftists.
I actually have interacted with Barb Mikkelson (who, with her husband, started Snopes as a "Urban Legend" site - associated with their domination of the old USENET group), and she is not the sort of person who should be trusted to be unbiased. Generally an unpleasant person, they ran the USENET group, and I quote, "like their living room" and tried to run people off they didn't like or approve of. USENET was at the best of times egalitarian, but confusing a group with your personal space is about like claiming a Greyhound bus station waiting room at 3 AM is a sovereign country - both delusional, and megalomaniacal. Comply or they would attempt to use their snark - which they substituted for critical reasoning skills - to drive you out. It didn't happen to me, but they did it to a lot of other people that didn't comply with their vision. Sort of like a short-bus version of the Algonquin Round Table (when even the REAL "round table" participants later said they did it to compensate for the fact they couldn't do anything else, and that it wasted all of their time).
Snopes is a unbiased arbiter of truth in the same sense that Dan Rather is an "objective reporter". They *actually believe it", and thus have a closed, internally-consistent but self-referential loop of reasoning to support that theory.
Brett
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In order to make going back to work look bad the local paper "The Advocate" said that loosening some rules caused a up turn in cases. Page two at theadvocate.com. Banner headline, top of the page. The article is mentions other countries. What I glean from it is relaxing restrictions in the US is causing a spike in infections in other countries. I thought it took at least two weeks for symptoms to show up. Silly me, it really takes two days.
I have been doing the same stuff I always do, except eating out. That proves I don't have a life.
Feck it, I'm going flying.
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Yes it is amazing that a virus can show up so quick when an area is getting relaxed in the suggested rules. I still say if a person feels sick stay home. Now how many people were killed in accidents in the past week? Also how many of the deaths from sickness are attributed to the virus when the person who died did not have it? S?P
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Think we are not being lied to check out the links here on the CARES act.
https://youtu.be/D-chBV7A0n8
**UPDATE** (5-4-2020 1:35pm CST) One of the things I hate in this world more than anything is to be misled. One of the thing that frightens me more than anything is the thought that I might be the one DOING the misleading. I got A HUGE part of this video wrong.... and I need to set the record straight. Thanks to Region 1 Resistance, SirBudrick, InTruthbyGrace, Salpertia, DTown214 North...LAKE LADY and others.... it has been brought to my attention that the title of H.R. 748 before it was changed to the C.A.R.E.S Act: It was the "Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019" It stated: "To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/748/summary/00?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+748%22%5D%7D&r=1 -- I'm looking into the actual body of the 1-24-2020 text before it was altered.
Dear YouTube: here's the Documented proof from the Government's Own websites. If you take this video down, you're hiding VITAL information the public NEEDS to see, which your "authorized sources" are suppressing!
- Trump Signs HR 748: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flvoS9zVDr8
- White House Transcript: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-signing-h-r-748-cares-act/
- WHO Indicates start of "pandemic": https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen
- Proof HR 748 was introduced a YEAR and TWO months BEFORE anyone heard of C...Vi...Rus: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/748
- Track the Bill as it passed through Congress: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/748/all-actions?overview=closed&KWICView=false
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https://youtu.be/YxLlWXKCpts
https://youtu.be/XdSrY9-viEA
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I am not going to pretend I fully understand how your house/senate works, but I suspect this is an example of tactic used to make passage of a bill faster.
Take something the house already passed, then strip it out and replace it with new legislation.
The Senate passes that, then the house passes that version.
Otherwise it has to go House- Senate- House.
In this case, since the party of the president contrlos the Senate they want to have more control of the final bill.
Foe example, here is one I found on Google:
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/03/17/17greenwire-senate-proceeds-to-placeholder-bill-for-natura-10150.html?pagewanted=print
Perhaps there are some users on here who do understand this, who could explain?
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This guy is looking to build a following on YouTube and eventually sell stuff. He has no proof just FAKE science and for a Doctor to do this seems like he must not be very successful. FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. NO PROOF OF ANYTHING HE SAYS.
Is he saying that the MAG gang led by the president is not doing things for our best interests, how does this help him?
Best, DennisT
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FWIW, he is not a medical doctor, he is an Osteopath.
Not the same thing at all, more like a chiropractor.
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From an average joe:
"The real issue Americans should be concerned with is what actions will Mr. Trump take to prevent the current death toll of 68 thousand and 1.2 million infections from doubling every two months. The published number of deaths and infections is clear evidence that enough was not done to prevent this carnage.
Americans need to know what will the President do to get produce, now rotting in the fields from farms to Americans needing food. What will the President do to ensure that American workers have the personal protective equipment and testing necessary to safely return to work.
There is no debate that the virus causing the pandemic started in China. While there are efforts by the Trump administration to focus attention on what the Chinese government knew, when did they know it and when did they share the information with the world. However, the Chinese issue is secondary to what will the Trump administration do to stop the continuation of the "American carnage" the virus has unleashed on an unprepared nation."
This is what she/he said:
"Trump compares himself to Lincoln on treatment. Lincoln saved the Country. Lincoln gave his life. Lincoln was genius. Maybe the reason you are treated so bad Mr. "President" is because this Country knows what a great President is and isn't. A great President doesn't mull over preposterous notions live on TV and then deny. To not know a Lincoln comparison is way out of their league is beyond delsuion....so yeah--come up with a Gettysburg Address of your own, Mr. Trump, and we'll reconsider the comparison....."
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Jaco,
Do you know what propaganda is and how it's used?
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I am not going to pretend I fully understand how your house/senate works, but I suspect this is an example of tactic used to make passage of a bill faster.
Take something the house already passed, then strip it out and replace it with new legislation.
The Senate passes that, then the house passes that version.
This sounds plausible but what is alarming is the name of the Bill and intent and the timing makes it questionable. Along with the fact, Dr. Fauci said a pandemic was going to hit this administration in 2017. It's on video. How did he know? This is why some are calling this a PLANDEMIC.
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I heard the "sainted" Dr. Fauci helped set up the labs in China where the virus probably originated, using US dollars. The Maryland Governor, a "RINO" shut down virtually everything, but the abortion clinics stayed open. Makes sense if you are a "liberal". Fauci became famous because of his work with the aids epidemic, you know the one that largely originated with the homosexual bath houses in San Francisco, the local politicians refused to shut them down, the same politicians are now screaming at President Trump not to open up because they want the economy to tank before the next election. Today, nearly 37 million people have aids, and about 2 million new cases are reported every year. This is success according to Fauci, I guess.
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I'm beginning to feel like I've been played like a violin. Wife and I bought into the narrative at first and complied to the best of our abilities. As the weeks wore on, around my region it is no where near the doom and destruction levels that were being touted at the start of this. In our region it appears no worse than the typical flu season.
Our economy is being destroyed, and our freedoms usurped.
It is enough.
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I'm beginning to feel like I've been played like a violin. Wife and I bought into the narrative at first and complied to the best of our abilities. As the weeks wore on, around my region it is no where near the doom and destruction levels that were being touted at the start of this. In our region it appears no worse than the typical flu season.
Our economy is being destroyed, and our freedoms usurped.
It is enough.
Do you know what propaganda is and how it's used?
Trump has to rely on the suggestions and direction of what you would call "Experts."
How truthful do you believe some of these so called experts are when they are on the payroll of the "other side?"
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"Do you know what propaganda is and how it's used?"
Yes.
As for the wife and I: We did what our President asked of us at the start of this. I feel he was making decisions based on the numbers the experts were feeding him. Of course, now we are learning the numbers of Covid deaths have been padded to support the narrative and many other suspicious behaviors and links, such as Fauci and his background.
I suspect our President feels used, too.
It's actually very unsettling when you look at how much power and sway the MSM in conjunction with the DNC wields. The amount of peer fear and buy-in to their narrative is astonishing.
IMHO, this has NOT resulted in the amount of deaths the MSM/DNC were hoping for, so they are already tuning-up to try again with the "Second Wave" narrative they're now pushing.
Lives are being ruined (and lost) because of this. On a personal level: I have a family member that's a veteran. He has been on the waiting list for a kidney for some time. In the meantime a minor complication arose that was going to require remedial surgery. Of course all non-essential surgeries have been canceled, so his was canceled early on in this shutdown to make room for the purported "onslaught" that was to come at the hospitals. His health is now at the point that he may not be able to undergo that surgery. This will mean that he will likely be removed from the list of those waiting for a kidney on account of his heath now makes him a "poor" prospect for a kidney transplant. Then there are the cancer patients that had their surgeries canceled, and on and on.
This is intolerable and we should all be outraged at how we've been manipulated.
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I agree with you, Andre, sorry to hear about your family member that needs a transplant. I believe they emptied out the hospitals to make room for all the Covid-19 patients that did not show up, at least in the forecasted numbers. I do not believe the "mainstream media" is on the side of the Constitution, (or our freedoms in the Bill of Rights) they would like to see someone like Stalin run the country, actually, destroy it. I guess the people on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC,CBS believe they will not be affected, I don't think so, however. ~^
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I took a screen shot because it was deleted as soon as it was sent to me and i could not save the picture.
Sources on bottom text.
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This is intolerable and we should all be outraged at how we've been manipulated.
More than ever it's important all Americans need to understand propaganda and how it works, especially to have an education directed and focused towards the mindset of those that use it for their self worth/gain or as a cabal with an eventual purpose/goal in mind. Always for the worst, never the better. It's in play all the time, 24/7.
Convincing others to think, feel, decide or to react using "lies/propaganda" is as criminal as it gets. Our freedom of speech taken advantage of, abused, and who pays the price?
In most cases many people don't realize what's happening until it's too late. Many "accomplishments" have succeeded and have been successful using lies or propaganda as a tool/device. Especially when contrived by being well thought out or planned, only to be released in mediums bit by bit over a long period of time. Like that poor frog in a pan of water with an increase in temperature over a slow period of time. Who are the frogs?
Goes on every day and from many directions, even in harmless advertising and general conversations. Is it really harmless?
Sound familiar?
If permitted, anyone's mind can actually be weak to stimulus of this nature when the stimulus is designed by experts in the field of mind control. Government grants have supported this research for over 70 years.
Written words "text," audio, still photography/art, and now through an abundance of a variety of video, plus on line mediums, some where propaganda is used to instill legitimacy to these mediums, i.e. all the dark side News programs, MSM, and plenty of other communication venues. An endless list.
Does it work? Ask any Liberal.
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1. I am not going to read each and every post here....
2. What is wrong with getting a vaccine. The biggest issue with this virus is that there is a long time between you get get infected with the virus and can transmit it before your even realize you have it.
3. True that proper testing needs to be done first ad that takes time.
4. While those at risk seem to be those alread comprimised by age and underlying health issues. NONE of that means we should marginalize them.
5. If the virus is danger as IT seems to be. THE it is the governments job to protect us. and social distancing is the bets way.
Sp please Lets hear your facts about conspiricy and whom is doing what ? I did say facts. NOT wild assertions or conjecture .
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1. I am not going to read each and every post here....
2. What is wrong with getting a vaccine. The biggest issue with this virus is that there is a long time between you get get infected with the virus and can transmit it before your even realize you have it.
3. True that proper testing needs to be done first ad that takes time.
4. While those at risk seem to be those alread comprimised by age and underlying health issues. NONE of that means we should marginalize them.
5. If the virus is danger as IT seems to be. THE it is the governments job to protect us. and social distancing is the bets way.
Sp please Lets hear your facts about conspiricy and whom is doing what ? I did say facts. NOT wild assertions or conjecture .
May I also ask.... why? If someone or a group of someones is already so powerful they can manipulate the entire world into faking a virus together.... wouldn't that literally be the pinnacle of power? What else could be accomplished?
Do I think there's a lot of overreaction for this virus? Maybe so. But is it fake? No. Someone didn't get the whole world together and say let's make a hoax virus.
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Looks like goats and fruit test positive as long as you give the samples a human name.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania/tanzania-suspends-laboratory-head-after-president-questions-coronavirus-tests-idUSKBN22G295
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70,000 + deaths
And still a lower percentage than your country no matter how you slice it.
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May I also ask.... why? If someone or a group of someones is already so powerful they can manipulate the entire world into faking a virus together.... wouldn't that literally be the pinnacle of power? What else could be accomplished?
Do I think there's a lot of overreaction for this virus? Maybe so. But is it fake? No. Someone didn't get the whole world together and say let's make a hoax virus.
I don't know anyone that says the virus is a hoax. The response to it and the projections are the hoax.
The discrediting of Hydroxycloroquine - azithromycin -Zinc as a both palliative and prophylactic treatment is part of that hoax. Doctors and funeral home directors both questioning causes of death is part of the hoax.
Dr. Fouci being responsible for funneling $7,000,000 to the Wu Han laboratory which most likely produced this virus is also part of this hoax that is being foisted upon the American people. The same Doctor that said he hoped to be able to be challenged by a new pandemic. The same Doctor that wrote a paper in 2005 about the effectiveness of HCQ on SARS Cov 1 both palliative and prophylactically.
They now know the point of entry is the same for SARS Cov 2, also known as Covid 19. That's why the same treatment works on both.
HCQ-Zpac-Zn treatment ....... $25
Rimdesavir.......... $1000 per dose
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I don't know anyone that says the virus is a hoax.
Really? 22 April 2020 the new York times published an article on "dealing with friends who believe Covid 19 is a hoax" (from memory, probably not the correct title) That's just one example, There's an enormous population of people who believe this isn't real at all. As to the rest of the information you've presented, I don't know. I don't research anything about the financial side of this. But as an average Joe, living an average life, I've seen an overwhelming number of people saying this isn't a real illness at all.
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I don't know anyone personally that doesn't think the virus is real.
As far as the New York Times.
Really?
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Can we get back to the really important debate?
Ringmaster or Flite Streak, which is better? :)
How is this a topic that still comes up? It's been proven. The ringmaster.
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I don't know anyone personally that doesn't think the virus is real.
As far as the New York Times.
Really?
Haha. Well I'm just saying, there are people that believe it's not. I may have misread a reply before my reply leading to such a far out comment. But, I believe it holds true. If you're a facebook subscriber, I believe you'd see comments like "this virus is made up, name one person you know that's tested positive" (and yes that's in quotes for being an actual quote)
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I don't doubt one word that you are saying about people. P.T. Barnum had a saying I believe.
Most people I know think that every cold, flu, and pneumonia case are currently being classified as covid-19. My son works in a city hospital. He says the same. He is being sent home early almost every night for lack of patients. Elective procedures were suspended. How can a hospital make money without elective surgeries? Covid19 patients are reimbursed $13000 by the government. $39,000 if they go on a ventilator.
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Because you mentioned the elective surgery thing...
People are also making fun of that. Alluding to elective surgeries are cosmetic surgery. Sure some are. But without all the elective surgeries that help make life better, you're right; the hospitals are in dire straits. This is a very sad time, and more people / companies are going to suffer financially than physically
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Surgery to remove arthritis from your shoulder would be considered an elective surgery right now.
I knocked one of my front 4 teeth out the weekend that this all started. I have been a gapped-tooth redneck ever since.
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I would be willing to bet that the Corona virus tests that are being used cannot differentiate between the many different strains of Corona virus. That is why all the false positives and asymptomatic cases.
Anyone with the common cold probably test positive for Corona virus.
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I would be willing to bet that the Corona virus tests that are being used cannot differentiate between the many different strains of Corona virus. That is why all the false positives and asymptomatic cases..
To the level I understand it (which isn't all that good), part of the problem with apparent "reinfection" and testing positive again after recovery is that the test method they use - PCR "amplification" - cannot distinguish between live and dead virus. So you might have had it, recovered, have dead virus still around, and this might give you a positive for a pretty long time. This is currently believed to the cause of apparent re-infection - it's probably not happening.
Brett
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Watch what some judges think of our Constitution.
The 1st ammendment doesn't just cover freedom of speech and religion, but freedom of assembly also.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/05/05/watch-feeding-my-kids-is-not-selfish-texas-salon-owner-tells-judge-after-violating-lockdown/
Notice how he talks of a law that she has violated.
I challenge anyone to site a statue which anyone has violated with regards to these stay-at-home orders.
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Keep sleaping!!!
Show us the math.
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I have worked at a laboratory for 21 years.
I am very knowledgeable about the limitations of laboratory analysis.
Now show me your math for your refutation of your deaths per 100,000 of population.
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If the Netherlands had the same population as the USA, you would have over 100,000 deaths.
Where did you go, Max?
No facts to support your leftist position?
Pu $$y
You're still online but won't respond.
10 minutes later you are still online and won't respond.
10 minutes later, again, and you still won't respond.
Coward.
13 munites later, you are still online and won't respond.
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I would like to know the number of Flu deaths from 01-05-2019 Because it seems the coronavirus has cured the common flu
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I would like to know the number of Flu deaths from 01-05-2019 Because it seems the coronavirus has cured the common flu
Perhaps social distancing has reduced its transmission rates as well?
Only makes sense that mitigation measures introduced to reduce transmission of one would also reduce transmission of others that spread in a similar way.
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Perhaps social distancing has reduced its transmission rates as well?
Only makes sense that mitigation measures introduced to reduce transmission of one would also reduce transmission of others that spread in a similar way.
I posted this graph 5 days ago. Only 48 people have clicked on it to view it. It is from the CDC website. This is more than social distancing. They just stopped attributing anything to the flu or pneumonia.
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If the Netherlands had the same population as the USA, you would have over 100,000 deaths.
Where did you go, Max?
No facts to support your leftist position?
Pu $$y
You're still online but won't respond.
10 minutes later you are still online and won't respond.
10 minutes later, again, and you still won't respond.
Coward.
13 munites later, you are still online and won't respond.
I walk away from my PC all the time with SH loaded. I'll bet I don't have two thirds of the time listed in actual viewing time. Only minutes here and there, longer if I do Post build photos in Builds, but I've backed off on that a great deal. Gee. So just because it my appear someone is on SH doesn't mean they are on SH.
I've been here only a few minutes and if I didn't have to check my mail it would appear as though I was still here. Could be all day, hours anyway.
The "name calling?" What's that all about? Why?
I had 10 years of that and I know EXACTLY why it happens. I still get it.
Just yesterday I get a call from a fellow modeler who I'm very fond of, he's a flaming Liberal, on fire actually. LL~ Yea, times being as they are we had a great, some ways funny, conversation. I brought up Michelle Obama being a guy. There's always a guy.
Certainly we agree on nothing political. So what? He's still a great guy and a fellow modeler a great modeler actually. The thought of calling this guy, there's always a guy, a name of any kind doesn't enter my mind. It's pointless. Well, maybe tempting sometimes. n~
I don't understand the hate, I know where the jealously comes from, but name calling a fellow human being and modeler, is uncalled for. America, diversity, it takes all kinds. So we tolerate because we can. At least we should.
Robert, another modeler I'm extremely fond of, has always said, "Change the channel." Robert also said a few years ago, "Wait before you reply." Give yourself some time to think before you Post. Time to "think."
The last 8 years of the Obama administration has brought divide between many in this Country. His efforts in opening mental wounds and dividing us from each other was successful, really successful and by design.
We don't have to keep it going.
Two days ago I ordered a small plastic wiper blade part for my wife's VW Jetta Sportwagen, 4.00 and change, the shipping was more.
The guy, there's always a guy, in the VW Parts Dept. was kind and courteous. He had an accent that was very noticeable and I can generally guess accents and I did. I asked him if he was from Russia or the Ukraine?
He said he was from Russia. My joking I said, "Well, I'm not mad at you for that, welcome to the US."
Obviously he said thank you. I asked him how long he had been here and his reply wasn't what I expected. 1997 was when he arrived in the "Good old USA."
Sure, I love conversations with level head individuals so I immediately asked a few questions.
Turns out he eventually settled in NJ but really doesn't like living there any longer. OK. I can understand this, I moved two times because I couldn't stand the states I was living in and told him so. States have a tendency to change depending on who's in power. Bad people get elected and do bad things. Be careful who you vote for, it can be life changing, and it has been.
He told me he left Russia because he no longer felt free there. He said they use words to describe what isn't instead of what it really is, sound familiar, like the New Republics he said.
I had a Russian tennis buddy way back and we talked about the changes in Russia, mostly the Communists control or take over of Capitalism. Do some homework it's interesting what transpired in Russia in the early years. BTW. It's always Capitalism which has to go, ask any Liberal Democrat Communists elected to office.
Anyway, remember, he landed in America in 1997, fast forward to 2020, two days ago, we're talking remember.
He tells me he no longer feels free and he's unhappy. He said he left Russia for America for Freedom and to feel free and have a greater self-worth. It took only 20 or so years for this man from Russia to feel like he felt when he was living in Russia. I've heard this from many who have come to America for the same reasons he did.
Now he tells me he's concerned for this two daughters and wife. His daughters are 7 years old and the other 5 years old.
Can anyone else out there understand where this Country is going because of people? Really bad people who are elected to office? Is it understood?
Do we have control over this? Not as much as we would like, that's a given.
But we do have control over ourselves, one would think we do. The times we are experiencing now can be troubling but we can still be better people.
There's a good deal of VW influence in TN. A factory that employs 5,000 people and many VW Dealerships throughout the state. TN is also one of the most "Red" states in the country. The guy from Russia, now living with his family in the US as a legal citizen, said he'll gladly look into a move. I offered to help because he's a fellow American and deserves help from another fellow American.
Interesting I choose that Dealership.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgxKFQMaUps
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I posted this graph 5 days ago. Only 48 people have clicked on it to view it. It is from the CDC website. This is more than social distancing. They just stopped attributing anything to the flu or pneumonia.
They have long admitted to that one, if someone dies, and they either have typical symptoms of Wuhan, or Wuhan is found, they attribute the death to Wuhan, whether it was implicated as a cause or not. Birx said that a month and a half ago.
Take the deaths attributed to Wuhan and remove the normal flu season deaths, figure that the "confirmed exposure" is off by around two orders of magnitude because of lack of testing, and the rate of fatalities is very small, maybe .2-.3 percent. That's still terrible and worse than the regular flu, but not an apocalypse - which is good, because no one will escape exposure, ultimately.
On the other hand 1% unemployment is generally considered to be attributable to about 4000 to 40,000 extra deaths (long before this came along) in the USA. We are rapidly headed towards 30%.
Brett
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https://youtu.be/oQWRCECbN-Y
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Robert's right on the money with this, I heard the actual investigator who has tapes of statements from whistleblowers/employees on Hannity's radio show. Minutes ago.
Excellent Post.
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Exactly. This sort of crap has been going on forever, now, there's really no limit or any low beyond which they won't go.
My dad told me a story about when he was in the National Guard. His unit had been called up by the governor of Arkansas to guard the famous Little Rock Central High school, to prevent the black kids from getting in (and my Aunt Sandra was a student at the school). He said he saw them stage *multiple* pictures of people confronting each other, and threating to assualt any black person they saw. While there were certainly a lot of racist attitudes, he said that absolutely no one was threatening each other, until news crews showed up, and *paid people* to get in each other's faces, so they could get a picture of it. This was print media, of course, with only a few TV crews.
Of course, as it was, a few days later he then got switched to the Federal government under the command of a few officers from the 101st airborne, and was making sure the kids *could get in* instead of keeping them out. He was a product of his time of course, and not to be confused with Teddy Kennedy, but he said that virtually everything confrontational he saw or heard about it was concocted, mostly out of thin air, or deceptively represented - or, as in this case, solicited by the news. A fair numbr of the various army and ANG brass hardly distinguished themselves, either, they followed cameras around hoping to get on TV.
They justify it by "trying to tell the true story", the "true story" being somehow some deep insight into "what is really going on" despite the lack of evidence. Dan Rather's "fake but accurate", that is, "those particular papers may have been forged, and there is no other evidence, but I am somehow sure that the story itself is true, because it just sounds right to me". Which of course means that the just dreamed it up and *hoped* it was true, then set out to prove it.
He also thought that the argument over desegregation overall was, and I quote, "The governor and the rest of them were all stupid sons of b*itches, it was the the stupidest Go***mn thing I ever saw, what the hell good does it do anyone to keep kids from having an education?"
Brett
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If this links works. One can draw their own conclusion.
https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/emmanuel-macron-bill-gates
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https://youtu.be/eAL80QUZ7hA
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ALERT!
Starbuks to reopen today (not that I care) But only selling coffee CASHLESS Say no to cashless purchases. Remember in a cashless society they can track EVERYTHING you buy and if they don't like it that can turn you off. This is one of the first steps to the New Worl Order.
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Really? 22 April 2020 the new York times published an article on "dealing with friends who believe Covid 19 is a hoax" (from memory, probably not the correct title) That's just one example, There's an enormous population of people who believe this isn't real at all. As to the rest of the information you've presented, I don't know. I don't research anything about the financial side of this. But as an average Joe, living an average life, I've seen an overwhelming number of people saying this isn't a real illness at all.
Well, I listened for over two years from virtually every news outlet that President Trump conspired with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. When that did not prove true, they claimed Trump was a traitor and tried to get rid of him through impeachment, again, to no avail. Why should I believe anything the media comes up with? Their track record is pitiful. I do believe the virus is real, however, I hardly listen to the "mainstream media" anymore. So, with that in mind, the claim that the virus is not real is not that ludicrous, in my opinion.
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If this links works. One can draw their own conclusion.
https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/emmanuel-macron-bill-gates
I'm glad I'm old.
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Well, I listened for over two years from virtually every news outlet that President Trump conspired with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. When that did not prove true, they claimed Trump was a traitor and tried to get rid of him through impeachment, again, to no avail. Why should I believe anything the media comes up with? Their track record is pitiful. I do believe the virus is real, however, I hardly listen to the "mainstream media" anymore. So, with that in mind, the claim that the virus is not real is not that ludicrous, in my opinion.
I haven't seen any media outlets saying the virus it's fake. Only their responses or reporting of people claiming it's fake.
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I thought most of the nation's paranoia originated in Washington D.C. There seems to be plenty right here on this forum.
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I thought most of the nation's paranoia originated in Washington D.C. There seems to be plenty right here on this forum.
Nobody needed Donald Trump to tell them that the media and the entrenched Washington establishment was the enemy. Trump is the end result of that, not the cause. He won because he was the first candidate willing to address it. Subsequent events, and the 3.5-year screaming hissy fit that followed, proved beyond doubt that we, and thus he, was *exactly right* about that.
Brett
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Nobody needed Donald Trump to tell them that the media and the entrenched Washington establishment was the enemy. Trump is the end result of that, not the cause. He won because he was the first candidate willing to address it. Subsequent events, and the 3.5-year screaming hissy fit that followed, proved beyond doubt that we, and thus he, was *exactly right* about that.
Brett
Absolutely!
I believe Trump is "still" being mislead from some areas/people. But he's doing exactly what he has to for what has to be done for the good. Finally, and it's about time.
CB
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So much for this being a non-political forum. I'm out.
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This video was taken off of YouTube yesterday not long after it was posted.
Watch it here before the thought police get to it.
This is Dr. Judy Mikovitz and she makes a compelling witness.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7PmIaChOKAg/
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I haven't seen any media outlets saying the virus it's fake. Only their responses or reporting of people claiming it's fake.
What I meant is: The media has been lying since or before President Trump took office, they lied, so why would anyone believe them about anything, including that the virus is real. D>K
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Randy ,
I dropped out 4 years ago for the same reason. But in order to see certain posts I had to rejoin. I learned decades ago if we leave then it turns in to exactly what we don't want. Learned also if something is good enjoy it because someone will screw it up .
Don't understand why people say the problem is in the White house or in Congress ,, not to mention the Lib Governors... when the neglect party's came from the Biological warfare plant in Wahun, didn't think we needed weapons of mass destruction . Go ahead buy more junk from Red China wonder where our money goes when it gets there.
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Breitbart Stunt Forum.
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This video was taken off of YouTube yesterday not long after it was posted.
Watch it here before the thought police get to it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7PmIaChOKAg/
Like I said, bad people doing bad things.
I believe every word of it.
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Breitbart Stunt Forum.
This thread was not political it was about the Virus. I started this thread because we are being lied to. If you don't like the topic DON'T click on it. What no self-control?
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This thread was not political it was about the Virus. I started this thread because we are being lied to. If you don't like the topic DON'T click on it. What no self-control?
It veered that way because when Trump and everyone else started listening to "experts", literally *the first real action taken about it" was to effectively suspend the First Amendment, thus removing the right of assembly and the right to practice religion, two long dreamed of goals of the left (second only to removing freedom of speech). And also wrecked the economy for a decade while spewing "free money" in a way that Franklin f*cking Roosevelt would have been embarrassed by, also long-held leftist dreams. The governor with the highest death toll, by far, to the point that it is throwing the national statistics wildly out of whack, is being treated like some great leader, while about the only person who realizes the fact that the "cure" is far worse than the disease is getting raked over the coals.
The left has long dreamed of an apocalyptic disaster to take advantage of- that's why they practically giddy over the prospect, or being able to claim, *millions* of deaths.
The virus is not fake, but most of what has been said about it is either wildly exaggerated to generate a desired political and civil liberties situation, or an outright lie. The next step, of course, it to start calling things "the new normal" and the calls for fundamental and permanent suspension of basic enumerated rights "for safety". That deserves an airing.
And, as you say, no one is compelled to read the thread, or care about what is said in it.
Brett
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I believe it was the Democrat Mayor of Chicago who said "Never let a crisis go to waste" The lefties in Hollywood actually made a move about what they want, it is called "Reds", stars Warren Beatty. It is about the desire of the Communists to turn the world red, they had an international organization called the "Wobblies" or International Workers Of the World. I saw on the History Channel , I believe that's where I saw it, that when the Luftwaffe was bombing London and Churchill had everyone turn off any light source, the local Communists told people to turn their lights on, they hoped to rebuild out of the ruble a Communist Paradise.
So there you go, that's what we face! D>K
I just drove through our local college town (Shepardstown, WV), extremely liberal area, there was a sign in a window that stated "Workers of the World Unite", the slogan of the international Communists, the "Wobblies".
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The price of freedom is eternal vigilance and a willingness to act in its defense.
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I just heard LA. County just extended the stay at home order 3 more months. Businesses curb side pick up only.
If true its going to get very interesting.
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Democrat Socialists Communists have grown beyond the tipping point because of sheep like passive Republicans. A guess.
Or, possibly paid off. This makes more sense.
Either way, they have a foothold so America, as we used to know it and our Republic, is in deep trouble. Really deep trouble.
Added Link.
https://truepundit.com/payback-dr-judy-mikovits-comes-out-swinging-drops-new-bombs-on-dr-fauci-cdc-during-vicious-interview/
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America-Hating EuroFag says what?
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The stark reality is that we have a society in which money is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few people. This threatens to make us a democracy in name only.
— Paul Krugman, 2012[30]
The US isn't a Democracy at all, it's a Republic. Do some homework on this.
Can you spell "Propaganda" because both our countries are filled with it. Always research the Institute or the individual writing anything political. Answers are found there as to who and why certain political views are written and in what venues articles show up. Sometimes you can discover who is paying. That's a big "tell."
The US was in decline for the past 12 to 16 years. Donald Trump is the first non-political President we ever had, a good thing, not a bad thing. "Elements," make his administration have difficultly in accomplishing good things in a reasonable amount of time. Resisters in the Democrat side, Communists actually.
There are attempts by these individuals, many in fact, in politics, who would like total control of our "Republic" to change this system of government to full blown Communism. These people are the Democrat Party.
The Democrat Party, along with a corrupt News Medium and hidden many, now called the Deep State, are "A clear and present danger to every American Citizen and to our Republic."
Our freedom and our way of life is being attacked.
The USA, as we once knew it, is in really deep trouble and so is our freedom.
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I don't know anyone that says the virus is a hoax. The response to it and the projections are the hoax.
The discrediting of Hydroxycloroquine - azithromycin -Zinc as a both palliative and prophylactic treatment is part of that hoax. Doctors and funeral home directors both questioning causes of death is part of the hoax.
Dr. Fouci being responsible for funneling $7,000,000 to the Wu Han laboratory which most likely produced this virus is also part of this hoax that is being foisted upon the American people. The same Doctor that said he hoped to be able to be challenged by a new pandemic. The same Doctor that wrote a paper in 2005 about the effectiveness of HCQ on SARS Cov 1 both palliative and prophylactically.
They now know the point of entry is the same for SARS Cov 2, also known as Covid 19. That's why the same treatment works on both.
HCQ-Zpac-Zn treatment ....... $25
The Bat Research lab was partially funded by the Yankee dollar, not sure what Fauci's involvement was. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/suspicion-of-wuhan-lab-ensnares-new-york-nonprofit-testing-bat-coronaviruses/2020/05/12/22d0d642-8f3c-11ea-8df0-ee33c3f5b0d6_story.html
Rimdesavir.......... $1000 per dose
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Well, Looks like MAryland for the most part is relaxing their stay at home starting this Friday.
Virginia is doing the same EXCEPT for the Northern VA area. Too high on the statistic ladder to let
this area relax UNTIL the 28th Of the month. (scheduled that is)
DC just announced yesterday that they are extending their stay at home until 8 June.
Alot of small mom and pop shops have gone and even the big box places are hurting like crazy.
Will be glad when all is over (when it does happen) and I can go out to the NVCL flying field with the club members
and have some fun flying together.
Carl
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I did not say anything; all USA journalists writhing here.
I do not hate Americans, I hate USA politics and what it does to the people.
Sorry, but a review of your past posts on this thread and others paints a pretty clear picture of your attitude.
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I did not say anything; all USA journalists writhing here.
I do not hate Americans, I hate USA politics
You think those are two separate things? The politics reflect American values, and lots of people somewhere in the USA voted for those people. I think a fair bit of them might be mistaken, they probably think the same about me, that's why we have a vote about it every 2-4-6 years. What we aren't are passive followers, and we generally have contempt for those who are.
You "hate" American politics - well, that's one and the same as hating Americans. And I am sure you realize that.
You aren't expected to understand it. You are the product of a failed culture - you couldn't understand it, you have no basis in experience for understanding it. The fact that you think we are somehow victims, held hostage to powerful forces beyond our control, is a reflection of this failure. *You* live that way, and you accept that situation, you can only see it in those terms.
We can provide some study materials if you want to see how little your upbringing has prepared you for being a functioning individual, in fact, I would suggest starting here:
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/
And I am sure you can take on-line courses to clarify any points you don't understand.
Add to that the resentment you feel about being entirely beholden to others for your existence, on the largesse of the American taxpayer and American economic energy for about 4-5 entire generations now, and I can see your perspective. You are well aware of that, and it's got to lead to feelings of inferiority, and the bizarre need to go onto a model airplane message boards for several months and periodically vent your impotent rage - at people who have never done anything except keep you alive and safe, while you, and legions of others in the same situation, whine about it. It makes sense for you to feel weak and helpless, because you are.
Your "contributions" to this thread, such as they are, are far more about *you* and *your emotional issues* than they are about USA politics.
We all know you are just trolling for an argument; otherwise, why would you be here? You need to interact with us, because having the adults pay attention to you makes you feel better about yourself. You figure you must be really important for us to bother to respond. Of course you need our validation -that's what ALL trolling is about. Your weak attempts are far from the best we have seen, and sound more like a cry for help.
Given that - you would be much better off recognizing this, and then doing something about yourself, take charge of your situation, and feel good about yourself for your own accomplishments - rather than how you made other people take time out of their day to pay attention to you. It's not easy to be honest with yourself to the degree necessary to overcome your current issues. You might want to think about that. But it's up to you.
Brett
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You think those are two separate things? The politics reflect American values, and lots of people somewhere in the USA voted for those people. I think a fair bit of them might be mistaken, they probably think the same about me, that's why we have a vote about it every 2-4-6 years. What we aren't are passive followers, and we generally have contempt for those who are.
You "hate" American politics - well, that's one and the same as hating Americans. And I am sure you realize that.
Brett
With deepest respect Brett no it isn't, I've spent a lot of time in the US I have family and long time friends who live there, I can't stand what's going on in politics right now either but absolutely care for all who live there.
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With deepest respect Brett no it isn't, I've spent a lot of time in the US I have family and long time friends who live there, I can't stand what's going on in politics right now either but absolutely care for all who live there.
We get what we vote for.
I will admit that part of the problem - as I see it - is far too much reliance on "authorities" and not nearly enough on each individual. The present situation is a perfect example, most people gave up their personal and enumerated rights in a minor crisis without a peep of protest. That is the first thing that has genuinely alarmed me about politics in a long time. I predict a massive backlash building very quickly, and you can already see it. Tin pot dictators like Gavin Newsome (the classic "empty suit", in a line of similar interchangable figureheads) and Garcetti can make all the proclamations they want, but if enough people say "no", there's nothing they can really do about it.
But for everyone who sees it like me, there is one that sees the situation completely differently, and that all public decisions should be made by experts for the greater good. That's anathema and explictly *prohibited* by every founding document - because it's absolutely no different from the royal decrees we fought that war about. Those people have the same right to vote that I do, it's incumbent on me and like-minded individuals to show the folly of it, so they change their minds. They think the same about me.
Which of these extremes is more "right", is a matter of *individual choice*, and the politics reflect this. If it seems the government is far less efficient because of the 330 million differing inputs, that is certainly true, and *precisely as intended* when it was formed. The entire system is based on making sure the various branches of government and factions inside it were continually at war with each other *is an intentional design feature*, fully understood by the inventors and a desirable outcome. It is intended that only things with broad consensus - the very rare occasions that all parties agree - actually get done.
The only times this has failed is when a "monoculture" was in charge - like the New Deal - and when it fails due to that cause, it is disastrous. This illustrates how dangerous it is to have only one unified view of how to proceed, and why the founders tried their best to prevent it. In almost all cases, if one parties holds all three legislative bodies, it gets reversed at the next election, because the system abhors that situation, no matter who it might be.
Brett
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Hey Max, please don't waste your time trying to reason with these people. You are just blowing smoke up a dead horse's ass, so to speak. Your preaching to citizens of the USA, a very divided country at this time and growing further apart day by day. I'm absolutely sure you have better things to do, positive as a matter of fact. I've been around many of these people at contests and found them to be so helpful and informative and willing to go the extra mile to help their fellow modelers at the contests. Off the flying field, I don't want to know, for sure.
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Hey Max, please don't waste your time trying to reason with these people. You are just blowing smoke up a dead horse's ass, so to speak. Your preaching to citizens of the USA, a very divided country at this time and growing further apart day by day. I'm absolutely sure you have better things to do, positive as a matter of fact. I've been around many of these people at contests and found them to be so helpful and informative and willing to go the extra mile to help their fellow modelers at the contests. Off the flying field, I don't want to know, for sure.
Ditto, wholeheartedly.
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https://youtu.be/OW8nv_J9YoQ
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I've been looking at all of the "for's" and "against" stuff on people like Judy Mikovits and I believe that she is telling the truth. Either way, I think that any thinking person must smell a rat in the mainstream media rhetoric, especially from the mouth of people like Dr Fauci and the head of the WHO. I think that this could be the final nail in the coffin on who is telling the truth and who isn't.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ti6isM-NY
This sure is more fun than debating stunt judging #^
Keith R
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Oh....I wanted to add my 10 cents worth on the Vitamin D3 subject. The last two years I've had some bad health issues starting with rather bad pneumonia in October 2018. This happened a short while after having a pneumonia vaccine shot. I just did not feel well after a few months and my health took a further nose-dive. I eventually ended up in hospital and saw an ENT, neurologist and a urologist. I had plenty of blood tests, scans etc. and eventually found nothing major to pinpoint my symptoms of overall weakness, wobbly legs poor speech (a disaster for me!) and shakes in my right hand. The neurologist then did a sleep study on me and stated that I have moderate sleep apnea. The graph showed that I had one apnea event for 60 seconds, plus many shorter events. Now, I never wake up gasping for air and don't snore, as evidenced by my wife. Anyway, I hated the idea of wearing a face or even a nasal mask, so while I was waiting for delivery of my CPAP machine, I did as much research as I could on sleep apnea.
I eventually found a lecture by a neurologist Dr Stasha Gominak in Texas where she mentioned the importance of right sleep and also Vitamin D3, so I studied her website and downloaded many of the reference papers to study. My D3 level in the blood test was 31 ng/ml and her recommended amount is 60-80 ng/ml, so I started taking supplements as she recommended. I improved somewhat and started to sleep a lot better. I have not checked my D3 level since this Covid-19 lock-down but it will be interesting to see how it looks now. My last test in November last year was 47 ng/ml. At the same time I found an amazing website on sleep apnea called the Apneaboard forum http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/ There was a vast amount of info and help there and they offer a free software package that will monitor virtually all CPAP machines and allow the user access to all of the info that the clinicians only get. After a few weeks I recorded virtually zero apnea events, even with the pressure turned down as low as possible. I now sleep better without the machine, and would like to think that this is due to my D3 intake but of course it is possible that other factors also come into play.
You can all obviously draw your own conclusions, but it makes for an interesting study, and will give you some more insight as to why many scientists are stating that the correct balance of D3 in your system helps the overall immune system. Her website is www.drgominak.com and a good starting point is to click on "LEARN" at the top of the screen and then Vitamin D or any of the other subjects. Her video's on YouTube are worth a good look as well. Hope this helps!
Keith R
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I have heard of the benefits of taking Vitamin D, how do you take it? Over the counter supplements? Thank you for your message! D>K
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This is what we read in Europe on USA.
USA Democracy
Some views suggest that the political structure of the United States is in many respects an oligarchy, where a small economic elite overwhelmingly determines policy and law.[23] Some academic researchers suggest a drift toward oligarchy has been occurring by way of the influence of corporations, wealthy, and other special interest groups, leaving individual citizens with less impact than economic elites and organized interest groups in the political process.[24][25][26][27]
A study by political scientists Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin Page (Northwestern University) released in April 2014 suggested that when the preferences of a majority of citizens conflicts with elites, elites tend to prevail.[24] While not characterizing the United States as an "oligarchy" or "plutocracy" outright, Gilens and Page do give weight to the idea of a "civil oligarchy" as used by Jeffrey A. Winters, saying, "Winters has posited a comparative theory of 'Oligarchy,' in which the wealthiest citizens – even in a 'civil oligarchy' like the United States – dominate policy concerning crucial issues of wealth- and income-protection."
In their study, Gilens and Page reached these conclusions:
When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it. ... [T]he preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.
— Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, 2014[28]
E.J. Dionne Jr. described what he considers the effects of ideological and oligarchical interests on the judiciary. The journalist, columnist, and scholar interprets recent Supreme Court decisions as ones that allow wealthy elites to use economic power to influence political outcomes in their favor. "Thus," Dionne wrote, in speaking about the Supreme Court's McCutcheon et al. v. FEC and Citizens United v. FEC decisions, "has this court conferred on wealthy people the right to give vast sums of money to politicians while undercutting the rights of millions of citizens to cast a ballot."[29]
Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman wrote:
The stark reality is that we have a society in which money is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few people. This threatens to make us a democracy in name only.
— Paul Krugman, 2012[30]
The effects of oligarchy on democracy and the economy were key points of the 2016 presidential campaigns of Bernie Sanders[31] and Green Party candidate Jill Stein.[32] Bernie Sanders said about the Citizens United verdict and the Republicans' rise to power in Congress,
I fear that we may be on the verge of becoming an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires control not just the economy, but the political life of this country. And that's just something we're going to have wrestle with.
— Bernie Sanders, 2014[33]
American decline
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American decline is a term used by various analysts[1][2][3] to describe the diminishing power of the United States geopolitically, militarily, financially, economically, socially,[4] and in health and the environment.[5] There has been a debate between declinists, those who believe America is in decline, and exceptionalists, those who feel America is special.[6]
Some analysts say that the U.S. was in decline long before Donald Trump ran for presidency; becoming the first presidential candidate to promote the idea that the U.S. was in decline.[2][7] While others suggest the decline either stems from[8][9] or has accelerated with[10][11] Trump's foreign policy and the "country’s ongoing withdrawal from the global arena."[11] According to Noam Chomsky, America's decline started at the end of WWII, dismissing the "remarkable rhetoric of the several years of triumphalism in the 1990s" as "mostly self-delusion".[2]
Gallup's pollsters recently reported that worldwide approval of U.S. leadership has plunged from 48% in 2016 to a record low of 30% in 2018, in part due to the increasingly isolationist stances of Donald Trump. This drop places the U.S. a notch below China's 31% and leaving Germany as the most popular power with an approval of 41%.[12][13] Michael Hudson describes financial pillar as paramount, resulting from bank-created money with compound interest and the inbuilt refusal to forgive debts as the fatal flaw.[14]
China's challenging U.S. for global predominance constitutes the core part of the debate over the American decline.[8][15][16]
Now that the US is pulling out of the "global arena", maybe the fat-cats in Europe can start paying for their own crapola instead of fleecing the US Taxpayer for their "Global Warming" Conferences where they serve lobster for lunch. You know you are quoting a member of the Communist Party when you quote Noam Chomsky, right? If you make a contribution to "Pacifica Radio", you might get some of his tapes for free! Nobody else wants the dam things! D>K
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I have heard of the benefits of taking Vitamin D, how do you take it? Over the counter supplements? Thank you for your message! D>K
Hi John, yes I get D3 capsules from on online health store here in South Africa. Some local pharmacy outlets also keep it. You should first have the D25-OH blood test and get your reading and then follow what Dr Gominak says on her website. The whole concept of getting the "right" sleep is also fascinating. If you watch Matt Walker who is a sleep scientist he explains the need for this right sleep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MuIMqhT8DM&t=124s
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Thanks, Keith, the reason I brought up the question is I was talking to a nurse who works in a doctors office, we started talking about flu shots, she (the nurse) said the office she works in does not give flu shots, they recommend vitamin D instead. D>K
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YO Dud...(no e on purpose)
why the disrespect young ignorant interloper...I answered all your questions and you choose to come back later and still spill your ignorance and hate...read below young son...learn stuff dude...with an E now
If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for them?...WHO ARE YOU TO ASSUME WE DO NOT TRUST GOVERNMENTS GENERALLY....SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS
If you do not trust governments, why do you vote for Trump? AS STATED WE HAD TWO CHOICES AND HILLARY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED OBAMA POLICIES FURTHER BANKRUPTING OUR GREAT NATION
“Why would Trump lie?”, I do not know, but he does it all the time. YOUNG IGNORANT NON AMERICAN...PLEASE SUPPLY ALL THE INCIDENTS OF TRUMP LIES WITH CREDIBLE ACCOUNTING ...NOT BBC, CNN, OR MSNBC...ALL PROVEN LIARS
Why is there no general medicare system in the most powerfull state in the world? HUMM, AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWES...EVERY CITIZEN AND NON CITIZEN IN AMERICA HAS DAILY ACCESS TO THE BEST MEDICINE IN THE WORLD...EVERY EMERGENCY ROOM IN EVERY HOSPITAL IN AMERICA MUST TREAT ANY HUMAN SEEKING CARE...FACT
Why are 30.000.000 americans under or not insured? OK YOU FOUND SOME STAT AND ASKED...TRUTH IS MILLIONS ARE NOT INSURED FOR VARIOUS REASONS YOUR SOURCE FAILED TO MENTION: UNTIL OBAMACARE, CITIZENS WERE NOT MANDATED TO BE INSURED...
MANY MILLIONS OF YOUNG HEALTHY CITIZENS DECIDE THEY WOULD RATHER RISK IT AND BUY A NEW HOME OR BOAT OR CAR....
MANY MILLIONS, LIKE ME, ARE ON VETERANS CARE AND INCLUDED IN YOUR 30M UNINSURED FIGURE... SOME FEW MILLIONS ARE IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE AND OPT TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN SPONSORED HEALTH PLANS FOR SAME REASON AS THE YOUNG ABOVE.
AND QUITE FRANKLY MOST EVERY EU AND GB HEALTH CARE SYSTEM ALSO HAS MANY MILLIONS WHO CAN NOT GET THE FREE CARE SO PROUDLY EXTOLLED....(NON CITIZENS AS ONE EXAMPLE)
QUESTION BACK ---WHY DO SO MANY WITH STATE SPONSORED SO CALLED FREE HEALTH CARE COVERED THEN GO BUY PRIVATE INS AND MANY TRAVEL TO OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE CUBA OR AMERICA FOR MEDICAL SERVICE? FOLLOW ON QUESTION; WHAT PORTION OF 335 MILLION IS 30 MILLION? PERCENTAGE WISE WE ARE WELL ABOVE MOST EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH WITH GOOD HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
Why do you need guns to trust your neighbours? BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY BAD PEOPLE WHO ROB, STEAL, MAIM, RAPE, AND KILL PEOPLE...THE POLICE ARE NOT MANDATED OR EXPECTED TO PROTECT EVERYBODY...PROTECTING OURSELVES IS A GOD ENDOWED RIGHT...TO NOT BE ABLE TO PROTECT SELF AND FAMILY IS FOOLISH AND FRANKLY ABSURD
When the second civil war wil begin? WELL SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW OF YOUR COUNTRIES HISTORY. AMERICAN 2ND CIVIL WAR WILL MOST LIKELY HAPPEN IF SO CALLED SOCIALISTS (HIDDEN COMMUNISTS) GAIN POWER AND START DESTROYING AMERICA
Why do you not listen to the experts on pandemies? WHY DO YOU NOT SEE THAT "THE EXPERTS" HAVE TIME AND TIME AGAIN BEEN WRONG...CRYING WOLF HAS THE EFFECT OF DELAYING ACTION..THAT SAID THE TRUMP TIMELINE VS THE WORLD DOESN'T SUGGEST HE WAS LATE TO RESPOND
Why do listen to people with an agenda? EVERY PERSON ON EARTH HAS AN AGENDA EVEN YOUR SNOTTY DISRESPECTFUL BUTT...GET OVER IT AND GO GET EDUCATED
Why do you think you a virus is an political thing? BECAUSE IT SO OBVIOUSLY IS. IF CHINA CONSPIRED TO HOSE AMERICA AND D TRUMP ...PROBABLE THEORY, THEN IT MOST CERTAINLY IS A BIOLOGICAL POLITICAL & FINANCIAL WEAPON WE MUST ASSESS AND RESPOND TO...AND TRUST ME, WE WILL
Conclusion; your are fu*K*ng idiots. SAID THE BIGGEST FIDIOT TO OPINE HERE
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Well dud #4 it's politics as usual.
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My only prescribed meds are a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement and vitamin D3. I never bothered to ask why vitamin D, because I always thought if enough sunlight then vitamin D was not needed. Wrong!
Now I'm thinking that my longevity partially enhanced by all those vitamins I've been taking for 25+ years. Age is 86 and going strong.
We shall see.
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Because it is worth revisiting near term history to understand what we thought and what we now know and think
Many will NOT slog through every post but I sincerely recommend you all just do slog along
99.4% survival rate in the USA
Business owners threatened with up to $1000 fines and loss of license
Citizens threatened with up to $250 fines and imprisonment
Every day more and more testing reveals more and more recoveries and lower and lower death rates
Letting most of the murderers, rapists, and thieves out of NYC jails results in a safer city according to Mayor DeBlasio
I pay a fortune in taxes for our SHUT local school....expect a refund/Rebate...not likely
Pay less shoes open fer business but local VFW shut...WTF?
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This particular guy has also gone around convincing people he invented email. He didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai
So, Shiva Ayyadurai is running as a Democrat? :! Steve
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Give Dr Shiva a break, he’s running as a Republican in Mass! For the second time, no less. ;-)
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I know I put my new roll of Aluminum somewhere......
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Rather than waste an hour. Just type in who is Dr. Shiva. Will tell you all you need to know.
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I've been looking at all of the "for's" and "against" stuff on people like Judy Mikovits and I believe that she is telling the truth. Either way, I think that any thinking person must smell a rat in the mainstream media rhetoric, especially from the mouth of people like Dr Fauci and the head of the WHO. I think that this could be the final nail in the coffin on who is telling the truth and who isn't.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ti6isM-NY
This sure is more fun than debating stunt judging #^
Keith, Your video has been shut down...................I wonder why!
Time for a revolution. Get your guns loaded and keep your ammo dry..
Jerry
Keith R
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The video was shut down because it was misinformation. The vaccine is here and doing stupid things is not worth having the title of the last person to die from COVID because they wouldn't distance and wear a simple mask. You can't fix STUPID!!!
DennisT
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I am not convinced that 6-foot distancing, wearing a mask (except for numerous exceptions) and stealing an election has ever cured or prevented a disease.
Historically, plagues come and go despite human superstitions.
The superstitious fake cures are laughed-at by future historians.
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https://youtu.be/vfj0nsYSuF4
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https://youtu.be/vfj0nsYSuF4
Yeah it's pretty much come down to, a fool and his money are soon parted. LL~
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The video was shut down because it was misinformation. The vaccine is here and doing stupid things is not worth having the title of the last person to die from COVID because they wouldn't distance and wear a simple mask. You can't fix STUPID!!!
DennisT
So once again we are told what we can listen to to make up our minds. You are right, you can't fix stupid but you can hire them as censors for Amazon.
Ken
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Well drove wife and grand daughter to SAM'S for some shopping. I stayed in the car. When they finally came out the grand daughter just realized she for got to wear a mask. She stated no one said a word going in or out. I also wonder how many case of the virus has been reported in schools that are open and have been open since last fall. D>K
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Well drove wife and grand daughter to SAM'S for some shopping. I stayed in the car. When they finally came out the grand daughter just realized she for got to wear a mask. She stated no one said a word going in or out. I also wonder how many case of the virus has been reported in schools that are open and have been open since last fall. D>K
Doc I can (somewhat) explain how the large retail outlets like the one I work for are approaching this. We surely wish everyone would wear a mask. All employees are required to and have signs and free hand-out masks at the door asking customers to respect this. Some just don't. The employees especially can be quite upset about those who refuse but know the store is more concerned about NOT upsetting the customer ($) over it. The employees don't think the customer has the right to make health decisions for them or other customers. I know that customer doesn't even think about it in those terms. If they did they would be more courteous I believe. I've seen a couple customers argue with other customers over it, once almost to blows. Consider being near someone who is drunk. You can smell his breath from a good distance. If you could smell covid that way you'd already be exposed. His breath vapor travels quite a distance. Doesn't help much when some wear there mask on they chin or don't cover their nose.
Another similar thing is dogs in the store. There is a sign on the door specifically allowing service dogs only. On an average Saturday there could be 30 dogs passing through the door-none "service dogs". They say nothing. We had one lady almost get her face torn off by a dog. She was off work six months. They did nothing. Two days ago my co-worker and I had to put up with a customer's pit bull growling and barking at us while we were trying to help this customer and his wife. It's hard to think, while waiting for the dog to lay into your leg. The customers could care less. We do but it hardly matters.
Dave
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Was wondering.
Can anyone show a face mask label that does not state. Made in China.
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Through all this nonsense (and I am not referring to comments in Stunt Hangar), one thing disappeared: THE TRUTH.
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BIG stores are BIG targets of government oppression and employee law suits.
Therefore, for their own protection they impose idiot policies that everybody knows won't help.
Crisis Management 101: Just do something. Anything at all. Then you won't be criticized for doing nothing.
Feed a virgin to King Kong every year. Don't test him.
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I know I put my new roll of Aluminum somewhere......
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I used up my roll several days ago!
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Through all this nonsense (and I am not referring to comments in Stunt Hangar), one thing disappeared: THE TRUTH.
It didn't disappear, it was voted it out.
Ken