Author Topic: Veco Tomahawk & Tom Tom (Read 8067 times)

Dennis Leonhardi · « **on:** December 08, 2011, 03:55:47 PM »

I've probably looked at these kits a hundred times, but memory fails me ...

Do they use the same wing? Is the center section planked, or is the fuselage just glued on over a thick rib ala the Brave and Warrior?

Thanks!

Dennis

Bill Little · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2011, 03:59:37 PM »

Hi Dennis,

IIRC, the plans for the original Tomahawk (Veco kit) seems to show the center section is planked. These were drawn from a kit.

Big Bear

Gerald Schamp · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2011, 08:07:53 PM »

I have both kits, and they use the same wing. The center section is planked on both, tail feathers are similar looking but slightly different in size. Neat airplanes though. Gerald Schamp

Dennis Leonhardi · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2011, 09:19:25 PM »

Thanks Gerald!

Dennis

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2011, 10:41:12 PM »

Tom Tom iso

john e. holliday · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2011, 08:56:56 AM »

That is the newer version and yes both designs used the same wing. I flew my Tom-Tom at the NATS several years ago. To me the Veco Tom-Tom and Tomahawk were great sport planes that could do the whole pattern.

David M Johnson · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2011, 10:46:56 AM »

I was given a Tom-Tom that had a warped wing. But from those plans I don't know. My plane has a different tail, the cockpit is way different, and the wing tips are rounded. I know its a Veco kit because all the ribs were inked "Veco" I was told its a Tom Tom but now I wonder. I was able to get the wing straight and its flown. The engine is a low time Fox 29.
Not trying to start any arguments Just saying If you have a better idea what plane I have let me know.
David Johnson

John Kelly · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:40:01 AM »

Hey DAVID... as john e. said, "that's the newer version" that W.D. posted. You've got the earlier VECO, Henry Engineering version. The Veco WARRIOR had the wider center ribs construction. I've got a kit and have flown them in the early sixties. They also had two versions of the TOMAHAWK.

John Kelly · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:45:07 AM »

Hey DAVID...

Bill Little · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2011, 12:41:20 PM »

Yep, sometime around 1960 Veco gave the Tomahawk and Tom Tom a decided "Jet" look to both. John Brodak actually kitted the later version Tomahawk first, then went to the early (1st version) Tomahawk. That kit is ery very close to the original Tomahawk, except for the leading edge construction.

My Tomahawk (1st version) is a very, very, good flying profile stunter with an OS .20FP BBTU. Steve Fitton's is nice with a .25FP. Never had a Tom Tom.........

Big Bear

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2011, 10:32:48 AM »

Yes.
That is the 2nd version Tom Tom in my post.

Charles Meeks · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2018, 11:19:26 PM »

Does anyone know when the 2nd version of the Tom Tom was released? It is the restyled jet look kit and was made by Dumas.
I have almost finished mine.
Best Regards,
Charles Meeks

Dave Hull · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2018, 10:22:13 PM »

Charles,
I do not know the date the version shown by Mr. Roland was released---I can say that the same isometric exploded view artwork was shown in the Feb-March 1961 Flying Models magazine on page 28.

Dave

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2018, 07:17:50 AM »

So,just to be clear, the version of the Tomahawk with the angled tips (and I guess the Tom-Tom also) was a later version? I like that version better than the Tomahawk with the rounded tips and would like to find building plans for the later versions. I have the rounded tip version file from Outerzone and I believe Mark Gerber.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Charles Meeks · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2018, 01:59:48 PM »

This is my Veco / Dumas Tom Tom. Almost done. Engine has since been mounted, older Thunder Tiger 25.
Is it classic legal? That is the reason for my post. I started building this before I had a clue what I was doing.... I have a few more clues now but I am sure I could do a better job if I started it now. Either way it has taken me about 5 years to get it to this point. I don't have a scale but it seems on the heavy side. Plans say it should weigh 20 oz.

Charles Meeks · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2018, 02:00:52 PM »

Another view...

Dave Hull · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2018, 06:46:23 PM »

Charles,
From what I can see, it seems the cutoff date for Classic is Dec. 1969. So a Tom Tom with the planked wing center section and "jet-styled" tips as published in 1961 would make it in by miles....

I am basing this on Bob Hunt's comment on the Classic rules elsewhere in this forum. Sorry I haven't figured out how to paste a simple link...yet.

Dave

Quote from: Bob Hunt on March 17, 2018, 06:08:37 PM

Okay, I actually submitted the rule proposal that was voted on and accepted for Classic legality.

Here's what it says: The model must have been designed, built, or flown before midnight December 31, 1969. That means if the model was designed just prior to midnight on December 31, 1969 it is still legal.

Now the rest of the story: My proposal actually read: Designed, built, and flown prior to midnight on December 31, 1969. When it was sent out for a vote, someone had mis-typed it to read Designed, built, or flown prior to midnight December 31, 1969. That was the wording that was voted on and passed. Because of that a design need not have ever flown to be considered legal. That proposal also stated that that cutoff date was a permanent one for Classic.

EddyR · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2018, 08:36:33 AM »

Interesting side note on the original Tom Tom
If you take the top view of the plans for the Tom Tom and the Smoothie you will see the Tom Tom is a Smoothie with out flaps and the large add on wing tips. The moment arms, tail size,rudder are all the same. Smoothie has different airfoil and a nose set up for a spinner. I remember guys converting Tom Toms in to a Smoothie and they flew better than a stock Smoothie. May be Tom Toms airfoil was better than the Smoothie's pointed airfoil.
It was common to add flaps to a stock Tom Tom also.
Ed

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2018, 10:53:09 AM »

Quote from: EddyR on April 09, 2018, 08:36:33 AM

Interesting side note on the original Tom Tom
If you take the top view of the plans for the Tom Tom and the Smoothie you will see the Tom Tom is a Smoothie with out flaps and the large add on wing tips. The moment arms, tail size,rudder are all the same. Smoothie has different airfoil and a nose set up for a spinner. I remember guys converting Tom Toms in to a Smoothie and they flew better than a stock Smoothie. May be Tom Toms airfoil was better than the Smoothie's pointed airfoil.
It was common to add flaps to a stock Tom Tom also.
Ed

Hi Eddy,
Do you happen to have a tracing of the major parts for the early Tom Tom? I would like to build one again but need the outline of the parts. I can also draw up a set of AutoCad plans for it your interested.

Thanks,
Mikey

EddyR · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2018, 09:05:48 AM »

I drew a set but gave them to Bill Little several years ago.
Ed

George Albo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2018, 09:51:50 AM »

Quote from: Charles Meeks on April 07, 2018, 01:59:48 PM

This is my Veco / Dumas Tom Tom. Almost done. Engine has since been mounted, older Thunder Tiger 25.
Is it classic legal? That is the reason for my post. I started building this before I had a clue what I was doing.... I have a few more clues now but I am sure I could do a better job if I started it now. Either way it has taken me about 5 years to get it to this point. I don't have a scale but it seems on the heavy side. Plans say it should weigh 20 oz.

Nice model, looks like a champ!

paw080 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 10, 2018, 08:06:39 PM »

Quote from: Dan McEntee on April 07, 2018, 07:17:50 AM

So,just to be clear, the version of the Tomahawk with the angled tips (and I guess the Tom-Tom also) was a later version? I like that version better than the Tomahawk with the rounded tips and would like to find building plans for the later versions. I have the rounded tip version file from Outerzone and I believe Mark Gerber.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Hi Dan, The earlier versions( Tom Tom and Tomahawk) are far better flying designs than the latter versions. The reason is because they have more

wing area and a better airfoil. My first version Tomahawk weighs 22ozs ready to fly(Oliver Tiger MkIII) and my second version Tomahawk weighs

17.5ozs, has seen several .15cu" diesels in the nose; but it has a longer tail moment and a much smaller stab and elevator.

The second version Tomahawk was commonly used in the Northwest Sport racing event because of the smaller wing and thinner airfoil.

Anecdotally speaking my second version Tomahawk was primarily used as Basic control line trainer because of the very easy stable flying nature.

My friend James Szhou , early US rep for CS engines; solo'd with the model as well. I think Brodak may have plans for both versions.

Best of luck; Tony G

Steve Holt · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2018, 01:08:28 AM »

The Brodak Tomahawk kit is a close representation of the original Veco kit. It flies better than the later jet style Tomahawk and I believe is OTS legal. With a Broad 25, it should be about 25 oz ready to fly.

Dare kitted a larger version of the original Tomahawk called the "Sporthawk". It is not OTS legal, but it flys great.

Author Topic: Veco Tomahawk & Tom Tom (Read 8067 times)

Dennis Leonhardi

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