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Title: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Dick Sarpolus on March 06, 2007, 08:59:40 AM
Twins are fun, and seeing Bob's posts of his new electric twin reminded me of these two twins I did about 30 years ago.  The sound of a twin sure adds to the fun. 
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Bill Gruby on March 06, 2007, 09:32:24 AM
Ty;

What are you saying TEMPTED those plans were for you to BUILD from, now git a goin thats an order.  LL~ LL~

"Billy G"   D>K
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on March 06, 2007, 11:43:02 AM
Twins are fun....
Here is a shot taken of Ben Madsen with his first twin experiment. Two K&B 35's up front to really give the powa'boost needed to give Ben the needed practice on flying twin engine models...
Next shot is of Ben's amazing Henkel bomber that won sooooooo many scale events in the late 60s. It was the beautiful technique of flying these scale models at the events that won the hearts of the crowd and judges, from the moment he would taxi out....stop...take off fly some pretty heart-stopping manouvers...followed by touch and goes..and then after those beautiful landings...he would then taxi that up to the judges and kill those engines. WOW!

Last photo is for our "57 Chev" posta' of my old almost brand new 57 Chev Impala two door hardtop with the continental kit that gleaned me more than my share of traffic violations and pretty young girls..."draggin the gut"at Seaside Oregon on spring breaks from my Pacific University  days gone wild. "Most of my tickets were "Conducting a speed contest on a local street!" OUCH!
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Dick Sarpolus on March 06, 2007, 01:48:55 PM
My '57 Chevy now, It's fun to cruise to the flying field. 
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Mike Palko on March 06, 2007, 04:05:29 PM
Hi Dick,
   I was just reading an article you did in Model Aviation(?). The article was on the first twin you pictured. It seems like every old magazine I go through you are in it!!! I even saw an advertisement or two with you endorsing a product (some type of covering). You have done a lot over the years!!!

   Oh yea, twins are fun also.  :)
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Dick Sarpolus on March 06, 2007, 04:12:22 PM
Another twin I did, the push-pull Fokker D-23. 

Hey Mike when are you coming over to look around the workshop?  Get Bob Z. to drive in his V-12! 
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Willis Swindell on March 06, 2007, 07:13:13 PM
Love those Fokker D 23's
Willis  y1
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Charlie Pate on March 06, 2007, 08:26:56 PM
Yes, especially when they switch on you, and you can't tell.   LL~   Oh, twin engined planes. Yep. I love to watch and listen to them. I am very tempted to build the "Too Much".  Big, beautiful graceful.
Happened to me once! Boy!
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Mike Palko on March 07, 2007, 07:51:11 AM
Another twin I did, the push-pull Fokker D-23. 

Hey Mike when are you coming over to look around the workshop?  Get Bob Z. to drive in his V-12! 


I have to make it over this year!!! My friend still wants to see your torch collection. So many things to do and so little time.
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Ward Van Duzer on March 07, 2007, 09:24:09 AM
Dick,

Show'em your Hanriot Biche "sorta twin"!


Ward
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Dick Sarpolus on March 07, 2007, 11:45:51 AM
Hey Ward, didn't you end up with this one of mine, many years ago?  It's not a twin, but it is a bit strange.  Hanriot-Biche 110, French from World War I.  Model has a Fox .35 in the nose, pointing to the rear, with an extension shaft to the prop.  Used a boat flywheel and boat hardware u-joints, 1/4" music wire for the extension shaft, and an old engine crankcase section for the rear shaft bearing support.  Balanced right, engine seemed to cool all right while it was flying, plane pretty much did all the pattern stuff, very semi-scale.  FUN! 
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Ward Van Duzer on March 23, 2007, 12:39:07 PM

Yup! you made me take that one when I came back to the hobby and bought your "Pretender". Wore that one out! The Biche was a wall hanger til I moved and gave it to the hobby shop... Still have a hard time believing the Pretender on a Fox .19!  y1

W.
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Chris McMillin on March 23, 2007, 02:35:23 PM
There were three twins at VSC, two Old Time and one Classic.
The P-38 is Bob Whitely's 1944 design and the Tigercat is my Paul Plecan 1950 job.
Tom McClain and Bob Whitely helped me immensly at the field on Wednesday and Thursday so I could get two officials in my first Old Time showing ever. Thanks guys.

Chris...

P.S. Thanks to Dave Russum for the pics.
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: wwwarbird on April 03, 2007, 08:48:24 AM
Agreed, I'm currently in the shaping/sanding stage on my scratchbuilt and designed 64" built-up profile PBY Catalina stunter, for two Saito .30's. I hope to have it done for the Sig contest in June. Yep, I said P-B-Y Stunter. y1 ;D
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on April 03, 2007, 09:35:43 AM
Agreed, I'm currently in the shaping/sanding stage on my scratchbuilt and designed 64" built-up profile PBY Catalina stunter, for two Saito .30's. I hope to have it done for the Sig contest in June. Yep, I said P-B-Y Stunter. y1 ;D

What its worth...I shot a bunch of slides of one of the last PBY's that I took at the Moses Lake Airport a very long time ago. I think it was modified as a Forest fire fighting plane. This model was sitting on the tarmac...with NOTICABLE ENGINE DAMAGE! This model had those day-glow red orange bands for added visual effect for fire spotting crews.

Let me dig em out...and send them along to you?
Badold Don! ;)
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on April 03, 2007, 02:07:22 PM
What its worth...I shot a bunch of slides of one of the last PBY's that I took at the Moses Lake Airport a very long time ago. I think it was modified as a Forest fire fighting plane. This model was sitting on the tarmac...with NOTICABLE ENGINE DAMAGE! This model had those day-glow red orange bands for added visual effect for fire spotting crews.

Let me dig em out...and send them along to you?
Badold Don! ;)

HERE ARE A FEW...BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND THE REST OF THEM....I shot about 20 pictures....humm? still looking?
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Randy Powell on April 03, 2007, 02:12:47 PM
Don,

They let you in PU?  Wow!
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on April 03, 2007, 08:58:18 PM
Don,

They let you in PU?  Wow!
Pacific University....how did you know that is where I went to college? Forest Grove, Oregon.
Those were the days... Hummm? Speaking of PU. Check out this link: This is where it all started...
http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=267374

Randy...read it and tell me just what a rotten no good sob that  I am?
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Wynn Robins on April 03, 2007, 11:43:39 PM
Gee I hope they are fun....I have a 71" span B-25 I am building..... cant wait to try and hang on!!!!
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on April 04, 2007, 09:35:32 AM
Agreed, I'm currently in the shaping/sanding stage on my scratchbuilt and designed 64" built-up profile PBY Catalina stunter, for two Saito .30's. I hope to have it done for the Sig contest in June. Yep, I said P-B-Y Stunter. y1 ;D

Shultzie here:
I just found a couple of items about PBY while trying to find more info about that old Moses lake PBY...although I didn't find anything on the Golden Nugget plane...check these out!

Another really good Catalina site that really was fun with great photos and stories is: www.pbyrescue.com
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: M Spencer on April 04, 2007, 05:25:37 PM


  Anyone know the twin OS 35 push - pull twin that won senior ? in 67 ?
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on April 04, 2007, 09:13:40 PM

  Anyone know the twin OS 35 push - pull twin that won senior ? in 67 ?
Bob Hunt and Keith Trostle both researched that plane....and I took slides of that model.... What an amazingly beautiful sounding and smooth predictable flying model.

 I will try to dig through my shoe box of slides again. The young man was also an extremely good flyer. I couldn't help but notice just how large a crowd on onlookers gathered round when it was his turn to fly. Quite a large model...and THAT YELLOW REALLY LOOKED GREAT AGAINST THAT BRIGHT BLUE SKY! What a presentation.
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Leo Mehl on April 09, 2007, 09:31:50 PM
I used to know these twin girls- quite well---.. But thats another story. That Hienkle of Bens is still winning contests. Ben was so proud of this model! I was there for it's maden flight. Boy was he nearvous but everything went without a hitch. This plane is now owned by Mike Potter. He cracked it up at albany at the regionals but repaird it for the next years regionals and it is still flying thanks to Mike. I saw it before it was completed  and it was a real beauty. It adorned his garage for many years. It is a real example of Bens skill as a modeler. It was powered by two K&B 45's ad he used a spring loaded throttle that was operated by a third line so it was a two handed operation and it worked to perfection. I can remember this like it was yesterday
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Bill Little on April 09, 2007, 10:15:02 PM
Agreed, I'm currently in the shaping/sanding stage on my scratchbuilt and designed 64" built-up profile PBY Catalina stunter, for two Saito .30's. I hope to have it done for the Sig contest in June. Yep, I said P-B-Y Stunter. y1 ;D

Hi Wayne!

It's strange, but I've always liked the PBY!  How are you dong the tank on yours?  I have a swet olf older C/L scale plans, but the area for tanks is almost non existant! LOL!!


EDIT:  I just saw that RED PBY! thanks to Shultzie!  Oh no.... I feel that terrible urge to build a PBY........

TIA
Bill <><
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Trostle on April 10, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
Bob Hunt and Keith Trostle both researched that plane....and I took slides of that model.... What an amazingly beautiful sounding and smooth predictable flying model.

 I will try to dig through my shoe box of slides again. The young man was also an extremely good flyer. I couldn't help but notice just how large a crowd on onlookers gathered round when it was his turn to fly. Quite a large model...and THAT YELLOW REALLY LOOKED GREAT AGAINST THAT BRIGHT BLUE SKY! What a presentation.

Rich Loomis won Senior at the 67 Los Alamitos Nats with a push/pull twin.  At that time I think he was running a 35 in the front and a 29 in the back.  Rich called the model the Two Bits.  With that amount of power, it was not a small airplane.  It was really impressive to watch.  As I remember, it was fast, at least it gave the impression that it was fast.

Interesting that this question came up.  I learned this morning that Rich is thinking about building another one of his Two Bits.  He was an accomplished flyer in 67 and really pushed Bart Klampinski for the Walker Cup that year.  I can remember watching him fly that airplane.  Up to that time, I do not think that I had ever seen anybody fly as deep into the corners as he did before he started his square turns.  He still is an accomplished flyer and it will be super to see him fly that airplane again.

Keith Trostle
Title: Re: TWINS ARE FUN
Post by: Shultzie on April 10, 2007, 08:22:26 PM
Thanks Keith....
for being our 'brains...I just couldn't to save my life..remember Rich Loomis's name. I am still haven't found those two close up photos...One of Rich and the other of the plane itself.
Yes...Tim Dunlop and I were standing right there watching one of Rich's flight. We too...were impressed with Rich's presentation of the pattern and yes, he seemed virtually fearless and extremely confident. What reflexes and so accomplished for his young age.

I hope that someone can find some photos of he and his amazing "Two Bits" and if anyone has his E mail it would be great if he could post them for us...and fill us in on the details.

Let me KIDNAPP THIS POST! ELECTRICS FOR STUNT?

The more I think about Bob Hunts Electric twin...the more I think that we could be on the verge of a new age dawning  of Electrics in precision Aerobatics...and I hear that one of our trend setters...is making a prediction that maybe even THIS YEAR'S WINNER OF THE NATS WILL BE FLYING ELECTRICS!

I am still "goin' to school...and still in the R&D early stage...as far as motors...batteries...props....and what power to weight ratios.....plus a kajillon and million questions on how to go about using electrics for control line stunt models etc.

Any links about info about Electrics for Control line PA anywhere?
"SOMEBODY HEP ME....OR STOP ME!"