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Title: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on January 05, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I have been talking to my contact at TT and I can do a run of the 3530 Cyclone props. The bad news is they are more expensive.
They will be around $5.50 each plus shipping. I need to know how many would commit at this price and how many you want. Just respond here with how many you would want. I suspect after this run there will be no more. As this will be my last time ordering. (I need to order a lot of these to get them)

Also I may be able to get some TT 12.5 x 5.5 if there is a interest. Does anyone have the number of these props? I am not familiar with them.
Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on January 05, 2018, 12:16:13 PM
I am ok with the price increase

If still in 6 each packages, like last time, I would like two packages

If singles just 10 each for me

Fred

Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: big ron on January 05, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
i would take 6 of each
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Paul Taylor on January 05, 2018, 01:42:38 PM
I'm in for two 6 packs.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dane Martin on January 05, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Two 6 packs. Or if singles, 10 is fine.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick_Huff on January 05, 2018, 02:30:12 PM
I'd like 6 of the 11x4.5
I have a 12.5x5.5 and the part number is 3518.

Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Lyle Spiegel on January 05, 2018, 02:40:36 PM
I 'm in for two packages of 6,  11x 4.5. Best prop ever used.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dave Harmon on January 05, 2018, 04:33:06 PM
I'll buy 12 of the 11x4.5
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Walter Hicks on January 05, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
interested in  6 of 12.5x5.5 and 6 of 11x 4.5
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Chris Fretz on January 05, 2018, 07:19:53 PM
I'll try 10 11x4.5 I'll try 6 12.5x5.5 also
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Charles Carter on January 05, 2018, 07:30:23 PM
What are these props a good match for engine wise?  40VF or 46VF?
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Brett Buck on January 05, 2018, 08:13:36 PM
What are these props a good match for engine wise?  40VF or 46VF?

  Too small and too much pitch for the 40VF and WAY too small and WAY too much pitch for the 46VF, or at least without other power-reducing changes. For example, the first-generation piped setup for the 40VF used a 12-3.25 Bolly, and that was still too much pitch/too fast for the 46VF with the same venturi. And the sound it made was, charitably, quite noticeable. It wasn't an ideal system, but it was dead-nuts reliable and repeatable - and VASTLY BETTER than anything that had come before it.

I ran the TT11-4.5 on the 35FP with a muffler, (a LOOOOONG time ago) it was really not enough prop to take full advantage of the power. It might be better on the 40FP, to keep it unloaded enough to suck fuel.

    Brett
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on January 05, 2018, 09:10:55 PM
What are these props a good match for engine wise?  40VF or 46VF?

They are  good for
Brodak 40
Magnum 36
Thunder Tiger 36
TS 39
FP and LA 35 - 46 (  yes  people are happy with this prop on LA 46)
Webra 36
ASP 32
Tower 40
HP 40
OS 35 AX ( i used these to test and develop this new engine)

Randy
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve_Pollock on January 05, 2018, 09:35:32 PM
Rick, please add my name for a bag (6 or 10) of these props.  Thank you.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Joseph Patterson on January 05, 2018, 09:53:39 PM
     I'LL take (24) of the TT 11X4.5 props at your current quote. Any idea when you will get'em in? By the way, they work real good on our LA 46's down here in S. LA.
         Thanks,   
                   Doug
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Allan Perret on January 05, 2018, 09:58:03 PM
6 of each size

Make it two 6-pack of the 11's,
     and one 6-pack of the 12's
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 05, 2018, 10:19:57 PM
What are these props a good match for engine wise?  40VF or 46VF?

    These props are a good match for what ever airplane/engine combination that they WORK on. If you fly airplanes with .32  to .46 size engines on them, you should have a half dozen or so of these in your prop box. You should also have as many of some other brands of props to try through the trimming process, also. A prop will work because of other factors in the equation of a particular airplane, including the engine, plug , model size and weight. And this prop might not work at it's best until to clip it 1/8" or so. I have a Sakitumi with a OS.LA.46 on it. It flew fine with an LA.40 on it but I wanted to get some time and experience with the LA.46, so put one of those on. The usual LA.46 props were a bit too much for the airplane, and it tended to wind up. I forget all the different combinations of prop and line length and such that i experimented with. I tried the TT 11-4.5 and it all started to come together. You might think that it wouldn't be quite enough prop for a .46, but it works with that engine on that airplane. You just can't tell until you try it. The long and short of it is, you should have these in your flight box, but it shouldn't be the only prop you have in there.
    I need to check my prop stock and will check in tomorrow if I need some. Have you got an estimation when you will get delivery and when we should be able to make payment?
   Thanks a lot,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Lotz on January 06, 2018, 05:09:13 AM
I'd take 6 of the 11"x 4.5" props.

Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: ray copeland on January 06, 2018, 05:47:35 AM
I'd take 6 of the 11"x 4.5" props.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 06, 2018, 09:55:03 AM
   I'll take 6 of the 11-4.5 props.

   I'll verify the part number for the 12.5-5.5 is #3518.
    And I'll take 6 of those if they get made.
   These have been working pretty nicely on a ST.60.
   I have heard of guys running them on ST.G.51's , but that is a lot of pitch,
   And need to try one for myself.

   Thanks a lot!
    Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Joseph Patterson on January 06, 2018, 10:35:29 AM
  Rick, I forgot to add that I'll take (6) of the TT 12.5 X 5.5 props too if you can get'em.
     Doug Patterson
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on January 06, 2018, 11:33:36 AM
Time on the props would be about 8 weeks after I order them.SEND NO MONEY till I send them. But first and most importantly I need a BUNCH more that want these. I will need to unload 500 of these. They did drop the minimum from over 1000 to make a run but I cant get stuck with 300 extra props. I will keep this up for a week to see how it goes. Just please don't say that you will take 100 just to get me to order them then only take 12. I am not a rich man.

Thanks
Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Ted Fancher on January 06, 2018, 11:41:11 AM
Just curious what these props look like and why they have attracted this much attention (although not yet enough, I see. c'mon guys, help Rick make the grade!).  Wood?  Carbon?  3 or 2 blade? Undercambered? not?  etc.  Anyone got a picture and an explanation for their apparent desirability?

Thanks
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan Berry on January 06, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
I'm in for a dozen.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dane Martin on January 06, 2018, 12:45:44 PM
Just curious what these props look like and why they have attracted this much attention (although not yet enough, I see. c'mon guys, help Rick make the grade!).  Wood?  Carbon?  3 or 2 blade? Undercambered? not?  etc.  Anyone got a picture and an explanation for their apparent desirability?

Thanks

I'm only in because of peer pressure. It seems to be the cool thing to do.....
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 06, 2018, 12:57:47 PM
Just curious what these props look like and why they have attracted this much attention (although not yet enough, I see. c'mon guys, help Rick make the grade!).  Wood?  Carbon?  3 or 2 blade? Undercambered? not?  etc.  Anyone got a picture and an explanation for their apparent desirability?

Thanks

   Hi Ted;
   I don't have a picture but you could search eBay or just google Thunder Tiger Cyclone Prop images for a photo. They are two blade, molded plastic, and not too heavy. I would be interested in a comparison of the plastic used in these from China compared to the APC props made here. They are true pitch to their markings, at least the ones I have checked have been. Sort of narrowish blade and not too thick. They just work well and are usually the first prop a lot of guys try on a new model. For the price, even with the price increase, they are a good deal for a quality, consistent prop for the Joe Bellcranks of the world.
  Type at you later,
    Dan Mcentee
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: James Holford on January 06, 2018, 01:36:56 PM
Ill take 3 of the 11x4.5

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Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Jim Svitko on January 06, 2018, 01:51:12 PM
A few years ago one of the guys at the field handed me one of these props and said "try this."  I put it on a plane that was powered by an LA 46.  The difference was like night and day.  Climb performance was fantastic, much better than the Zinger (no surprise there), BY & O, or any other prop I had at that time.

Regarding the prop's features, I have no idea why this prop works so well but it does.  Most of the 11 X 4.5 weigh about 1.2 to 1.3 ounces.  I am not sure of the material but it is quite stiff.

There is an under camber to the blades.  The stated pitch is 4.5 but I have measured some at 5.

 
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: gene poremba on January 06, 2018, 01:52:56 PM

 Please put me down for 6 of the 11x4.5 props. Thank you .....Gene Poremba
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Jim Svitko on January 06, 2018, 02:08:36 PM
Forgot to mention:  I will take six (6) of the 11 X 4.5 and six (6) of the 12.5 X 5.5.

The first pack of six that I bought cost something like $12 plus tax.  For about $2 each, I should have bought many more at that price.

Regarding stiffness as compared to other props:  Of course, it is not as stiff as a carbon fiber prop.  I would say that it is about equal in stiffness, maybe a bit less, to a similarly sized wood prop, such as BY & O.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Brad LaPointe on January 06, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Please put me down for 12 ,11x4.5 props .
Brad LaPointe
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: George Truett on January 06, 2018, 02:16:20 PM
I'll take 10 or 12 of the 11x4.5 depending how they are packaged.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Guy B Jr on January 06, 2018, 10:59:36 PM
Rick,
I would like two 6-packs of the 11x4.5 props. (total - 12 props) Thanks for going to this trouble for your brothers.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on January 07, 2018, 10:51:51 AM
Bump...  Still a ways to go.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Larry Lindburg on January 07, 2018, 08:06:03 PM
The 11-4.5 worked well with my RoJett 40.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Larry Fruits on January 07, 2018, 11:56:48 PM
Rick,
 I would like six (6) of the 11 X 4.5 and six (6) of the 12.5 X 5.5.

 Thanks,
  Larry Fruits
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dave Heinzman on January 08, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
I'll take 6 of the 11x4.5 props for sure and 6 of the 12x5.5 if they become available. hope this helps.    Thanks

Dave Heinzman
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Thomas Smeltzer on January 08, 2018, 09:38:57 AM
 I would take 12 - 11x4.5 and 12 - 12.5x5.5

Thanks
 Tom
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Jerry Higgins on January 09, 2018, 09:07:09 AM
I'll take 24 ea 11 X 4.5 props.

Jerry Higgins
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve_Pollock on January 09, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
Rick, you can bump my order from 1 bag to three (3) bags, whether its 6 or 10.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dick Tyndall on January 10, 2018, 03:07:25 PM
   Put me on your list for (6) of the 11X4.5 props, please. Thanks.


                              Dick Tyndall
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: B Norton on January 10, 2018, 05:50:56 PM
I'll take 6 of the 11x4.5 .
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: peabody on January 11, 2018, 08:59:55 AM
For some idiotic reason I feel compelled to add my name onto the list for a sack of them....
Thanks
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: tom_weedman on January 11, 2018, 09:33:52 AM
I will take a bag of the 12.5x5.5 props
Thanks Tom Weedman
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Jim Svitko on January 11, 2018, 11:09:20 AM
Do we have enough control line stunt fliers remaining in this country (or the world) to achieve the minimum number of props required to make another production run?

We are not a market niche that enjoys economy of scale.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on January 11, 2018, 01:05:04 PM
I just did a quick spread sheet

31 different names

307 each  of the 11x4.5  and 72 each of the 12.5x5.5 are asked for

long way to go to make sure Rick is not holding the bag on a bunch of props

does not look like the 12.5 x 5.5 will make the min for production deal worth doing
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: M Shipman on January 11, 2018, 03:27:29 PM
Put me down for 2 six packs of the 11x4.5
Mike
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Akihiro Danjo on January 12, 2018, 05:25:37 AM
Does anyone buy original YOSHIOKA's Glass Nylon Props from Yoshioka of Japan?
I called up Yoshioka today and they were very kind enough to answer my Qs.
Yoshioka have stopped producing their GN Props because the market is shrinking. Their late productions were done in China. That will the reason why TT have the copied molds. Of course Yoshioka still have the right of the props and TT's are illegal.
Yoshioka still have enough numbers of stocks, both 11x4.5 and 12x5.5. They stock less than a thousand but enough for our C/L market (I do know how many they stock now).
If someone want to buy a few hundreds of GN Props, they can offer Qty special rates.

Aki
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Harold Brewer on January 12, 2018, 10:02:47 AM
Rick -

        Put me down for eight props.

Regards,

Brew   H^^
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on January 12, 2018, 03:21:17 PM
Akihiro Danjo I spent quite a bit of time trying to contacting them a while back with no luck.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: George Grossardt on January 13, 2018, 06:21:17 AM
I’ll take a pack of the 11.5 and a pack of the 12.5. Total of 12.

Thanks for doing this. 
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on January 13, 2018, 12:26:05 PM
Akihiro has made this claim of counter fitting before and I do not doubt his claim

But  each time he has been asked to provide a reliable source to buy the real deal props....

I spent way too may google searchs

I got in on the first Rick buy and what he sent me work very well

This new buy for me is to have a good supply on hand...I still break props

I do not really care what Asian companies fight with each other over copy right or patent infringement

If Akihiro will please publish a good place to purchase Yoshioka props...do so...or ...oh well the rest of my thought is very rude

Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Akihiro Danjo on January 13, 2018, 06:48:58 PM
After my last post here, I got a message from whom I had thought he must be one of the best person to deal the props.
I informed him about Yoshioka's contact. So now I hope things go well.
Aki
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 14, 2018, 07:54:29 AM
After my last post here, I got a message from whom I had thought he must be one of the best person to deal the props.
I informed him about Yoshioka's contact. So now I hope things go well.
Aki


    This sounds like a good way to go. Takes the pressure off Rick Bollinger a little bit if it all works out. I'm still in for the same order of 6 of each, 11-4.5 and 12.5-5.5. Good luck on the contacts.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 14, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
It would be great to have a source of the Yoshioka propellers in the USA! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy!  y1 Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Bill Sequira on January 22, 2018, 07:30:19 PM
Please add Bill Sequira to the list for a bag (5) of 11X4.5 props.

Thank you.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Phil Spillman on January 23, 2018, 11:02:05 AM
Please put me don for 6 of the 11 X 4.5 props!

Thanks,

Phil Spillman
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Brett Buck on January 23, 2018, 11:09:09 AM
Of course Yoshioka still have the right of the props and TT's are illegal.

   Just out of curiosity, what "rights" are they asserting? Patent? Trademark? Copyright? 

    Brett
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 23, 2018, 05:44:51 PM
   Just out of curiosity, what "rights" are they asserting? Patent? Trademark? Copyright? 

    Brett

I've been wondering the same thing. Plus, model aeroplane propellers are commonly copied in FG or CF...that is, if they're any good to start with. One can get Bolly copies, for instance, pretty easily from several sources. Nobody seems to complain, least of all Bolly. It's not like Japan never copied a product designed and made in USA!  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Brett Buck on January 23, 2018, 05:53:34 PM
I've been wondering the same thing. Plus, model aeroplane propellers are commonly copied in FG or CF...that is, if they're any good to start with. One can get Bolly copies, for instance, pretty easily from several sources. Nobody seems to complain, least of all Bolly. It's not like Japan never copied a product designed and made in USA!  LL~ Steve
   

   There is no doubt that the hobby business, in particular, runs on copyright infringement that no one bothers to enforce.

    But I am straining to see the "illegal" part of this, it may be scummy, but I can't see a violation anywhere. Copyright (which has the craziest rules) seems to not apply, trademark, possibly but unlikely. If the design was patented, that would be a problem for the copies, but I can't see how you would make it sufficiently unique to not have prior art and I don't know of any attempt to defend the patent, which renders it moot.

     Brett
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 23, 2018, 06:09:13 PM
The fishing industry is even worse than the model airplane industry, regarding copying other's products...far worse. Only a few lawsuits have been filed, and the backlash against those filing the suits has not helped their image or bottom line (a crappy fishing pun there...oops, another fishing pun of dubious quality).   :-[  Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Tim Redelman on January 23, 2018, 07:42:24 PM
I’ll take two six packs (12) of the 11x4,5 and one of the 12.5 x 5.5

Thanks Rick!

Tim
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Akihiro Danjo on January 23, 2018, 09:49:19 PM
Do you think it is fair a subcontractor make/sell the products without the permission of an orderer?
I don't think so.
I don't want to get involved with this anymore.
Aki
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Brett Buck on January 23, 2018, 11:03:52 PM
Do you think it is fair a subcontractor make/sell the products without the permission of an orderer?

   No, but "unfair" is different from "illegal".

     Brett
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 24, 2018, 08:29:29 PM
I'd almost expect subcontractor X to look for a new market for the product, if the original contractor Y decided not to sell said the product anymore. That aspect may even have been spelled out in the contract, in subsection G, or Z, the one about minimum purchase numbers required for exclusivity. A lot might depend on who owns or paid for the molds. If Y owned the molds, they should have retrieved them. If X owned the molds, then I wouldn't blame T for buying from X. Plus, the Yoshioka propellers were advertised as GRP, while the TT Cyclone propellers look to be pure vinyl or some such...breaks the same as the Bolly Clubman props. If Yoshioka was sharp, they would have...maybe did...sell the propeller rights to TT.   

In the end, is Yoshioka in business selling propellers or aren't they? If they're not, then get out of the way. International Business Law was not something I took while at UW, but realistically, I doubt if model airplane propellers would pay for the lawyers. Even one suitable lawyer.  D>K Steve 

Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Paul Taylor on January 25, 2018, 03:19:44 PM
Here is my take on it.

I make 12 in wooden dowels. I'm not going to list a web link or tell you how to purchase them.
I do have a web site and it's in another language with no way to translate what your looking at or if you can even order them.
Nobody better copy and sell my idea!!
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 26, 2018, 02:31:25 PM
Thinking about this some more, it would seem that if Yoshioka called their propellers "Cyclone", and then Thunder Tiger bought the same propellers from China and continued with the name "Cyclone", then shame on Thunder Tiger, but otherwise, no. Changing the name to "Tornado" would probably be ok! Because, Grish Brothers are long gone and likely heirs wouldn't care one iota. Being in the Pacific, I guess "Typhoon" or "Monsoon" would be more appropriate than Tornado.

I seem to recall that Super Tigre tried to sue Thunder Tiger for using the "Tiger" part of the name. But since the spelling was different, Super Tigre lost the suit, or their lawyers told them they'd lose a suit in court or couldn't get a court to hear the case because of that. Happens all the time, judges say it's frivolous and that ends it. Judges are like that; even PA judges.   LL~ Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dane Martin on January 26, 2018, 03:44:44 PM
Here is my take on it.

I make 12 in wooden dowels. I'm not going to list a web link or tell you how to purchase them.
I do have a web site and it's in another language with no way to translate what your looking at or if you can even order them.
Nobody better copy and sell my idea!!


(Drum rolls and trumpets playing a patriotic tune)
Now announcing, Dane's 12" wooden dowel service!
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Lyle Spiegel on January 26, 2018, 03:53:13 PM
088 - 872 - 6420 (model shop Yoshioka)

088-856-5515 (Yoshioka Model Factory Dai Sho)     
http://www.rc-yoshioka.com/yoshioka-model-factory.html


I was fishing around on google and found above  contact info on Yoshioka. The google allowed translation to english. Could not find anything related to props of any size.


Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Arlan McKee on January 26, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
I seem to recall that Super Tigre tried to sue Thunder Tiger for using the "Tiger" part of the name. But since the spelling was different, Super Tigre lost the suit, or their lawyers told them they'd lose a suit in court or couldn't get a court to hear the case because of that. Happens all the time, judges say it's frivolous and that ends it. Judges are like that; even PA judges.   LL~ Steve

Maybe that was the difference between American courts and those in other countries.
I remember that in he early 80''s  Radio Shack filed a lawsuit against  Auto Shack and forced them to change their name to Auto Zone.


Arlan
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Brett Buck on January 26, 2018, 07:09:28 PM
Here is my take on it.

I make 12 in wooden dowels. I'm not going to list a web link or tell you how to purchase them.
I do have a web site and it's in another language with no way to translate what your looking at or if you can even order them.
Nobody better copy and sell my idea!!

    As far as I can tell, it is entirely legal and defensible to, say, patent something,  and then refuse to license anyone else to build it, even if you do anything with it yourself or not. That's what patents are - the holder can decide who uses it or not. That's why it matters if there was a patent, a trademark, a copyright issue, or if there is some contract with the  subcontractor to prevent them from producing it, or not. Of course, either violating a patent or skirting it with various means is why lawyers and the court system exist.

   Whether or not it's a moral lapse, unethical, etc. or not obviously depends on perspective.

    Brett
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Ed Barry on January 26, 2018, 07:23:46 PM
I'll take one pk. of 6
Ed Barry
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan Berry on January 26, 2018, 09:57:50 PM
I am confused. Is a company from China concerned about copyright infringement or theft of intellectual property?
I'm wondering because ..... welll, ummmmmm, well, because that would be an interesting phenomenon.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 27, 2018, 02:17:27 PM
I am confused. Is a company from China concerned about copyright infringement or theft of intellectual property?
I'm wondering because ..... welll, ummmmmm, well, because that would be an interesting phenomenon.

Naw, it appears that Yoshioka Corp. (Jpn) designed and made or had made propellers that ended up being made in China for Thunder Tiger in Taiwan, in a solid plastic with no glass reinforcing. Nobody here in the USA seems to have had or used any of the genuine Yoshioka propellers, but we lust over the TT versions for the simple reason that they work really well and were previously quite inexpensive. Looks like that's changed, so for $5 ea., I'd be looking for Xoar propellers...but I'm not sure where to get the smaller sizes. Yes, Tower had them. Yes, a lot of R/C shops have big sizes with high pitches. It would be swell if Paul Taylor would expand his production line to include 11" x 4.5" dowels.  ;) Steve   
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dan Berry on January 27, 2018, 04:15:11 PM
Naw, it appears that Yoshioka Corp. (Jpn) designed and made or had made propellers that ended up being made in China for Thunder Tiger in Taiwan, in a solid plastic with no glass reinforcing. Nobody here in the USA seems to have had or used any of the genuine Yoshioka propellers, but we lust over the TT versions for the simple reason that they work really well and were previously quite inexpensive. Looks like that's changed, so for $5 ea., I'd be looking for Xoar propellers...but I'm not sure where to get the smaller sizes. Yes, Tower had them. Yes, a lot of R/C shops have big sizes with high pitches. It would be swell if Paul Taylor would expand his production line to include 11" x 4.5" dowels.  ;) Steve
Ah. It just seemed like maybe someone in China was complaining about someone stealing a design or something. That'd be a twist.......
I am entering a new zone with an LA46 and have heard that this prop is the cats nuts so I was kinda hoping to acquire some.
Five clams a prop isn't real spendy.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 27, 2018, 07:52:32 PM

Five clams a prop isn't real spendy.


Well, no, it isn't but if you have to order a 5 year supply because there is no regular source, it gets to be a bit much. If you could order 6 @ $5 each and knew you could order 6 more next May if you need to, that isn't a huge deal. While I'm fairly sure that Xoar 12-4's would be more than $5 each, I'd hope to be able to replace them fairly easily. This is why I never saw a good reason to experiment with Rev-Up props. If they work extra good, but you only have one and can't replace it, what good is it? Maybe I'm just showing my Vulcan side again?   ;)  Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Chris Fretz on February 03, 2018, 11:28:20 AM
Hey you guys! Lookie what I found at a swap meet today for $2. One of those Yoshioka props, they do exist.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Steve Helmick on February 03, 2018, 11:56:32 AM
Hey you guys! Lookie what I found at a swap meet today for $2. One of those Yoshioka props, they do exist.

I seem to recall that you have a ST .60bb? This Yoshioka prop you found for $2 should be  good match. Also try an APC 12-6 and 12.5-6. Not sure what sizes XOAR makes, but RSM has a 12-5.5 (XOAR makes them for RSM) that would also be on my list. FYI   H^^ Steve
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Chris Fretz on February 03, 2018, 12:37:30 PM
I seem to recall that you have a ST .60bb? This Yoshioka prop you found for $2 should be  good match. Also try an APC 12-6 and 12.5-6. Not sure what sizes XOAR makes, but RSM has a 12-5.5 (XOAR makes them for RSM) that would also be on my list. FYI   H^^ Steve
You are right I do have a ST60.  I saw  Dan McEntee mention it was a good prop for the ST60 so when I saw it I scarfed it up. I'll probably love the prop and break it and be screwed cause I can't get another.

Chris
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Phil Spillman on February 03, 2018, 01:34:50 PM
Please put me down for 6 of the 11X4.5 props. I thought that I had previously asked for this order but my name does not appear! Therefore please add my order for 6 to the lists!

Thanks,

Phil Spillman
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on February 03, 2018, 01:59:27 PM
We got so off thread with the intrigue with the Japan/ Taiwan/ China copy rights?????

I lost track on my spread sheet on total desires for 11x 4.5s committed... but from this last thread page it is discouraging...Rick is still holding the bag on too many $5+ props to be comfortable

the 12 inches are never going to happen based on stated desires and min order commitment from Rick

If we want the 11 x 4.5s we need quite a few more committmnets

I would up mine but practically I have 5 on hand and 12 more sets me for life

I would very dearly like Eric Rule, Randy Smith, and John Brodak   et all  to commit to several dozen

I have only a few combinations where; right out of the box---- these props seemed best and no need to keep experimenting for my hack flying...and they are pretty damned durable giving my famous figure 9 strait in

Are they the Magic prop... not in all cases....

Enough said

Let Rick know if you are committed to a few of them....else we all lose another very good option never again to be sourced

Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on February 13, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
Well here is the latest on the props. We didn't have enough for me to order the minimum amount. BUT I have been working with Randy and here is the good news. I am ordering the props for Randy and he will be selling the props. The plus is I am also ordering the 12.5x5.5, 10x5.5 and 10x6 along with the 11x4.5. This works out well for everyone Randy is set up well for getting these out to everyone. Me not so much I haven't even been able to work on this years plane because of crazy work schedule this winter.
Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dane Martin on February 13, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
Thank you Rick.  That is good news indeed. And thank you Randy. We'll have a reliable source for these props!
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on February 13, 2018, 12:29:41 PM
Just to expand on how much we are all blessed occasionally with theses offers

The effort to negotiate for the part...
following a web thread and creating a list
asking for and storing addresses and desires
Buying the needed parts
Inventory the parts
Repackage to mail
Mail lables
trips to post office

Feed back

answer phone

Explain they are all gone

Serious consider if it was worth all the effort

years ago I built computers a LOT cheaper and better than Radio shack...was a soldier with a day weekend job... I made a meager amount on the sale...but the follow on Help Desk obligation cost me my sanity, love of mankind, and quite a few $$$

I admire and sincerely thank all the various guys that do this as a passion and truly giving effort
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Chris Fretz on February 13, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Well here is the latest on the props. We didn't have enough for me to order the minimum amount. BUT I have been working with Randy and here is the good news. I am ordering the props for Randy and he will be selling the props. The plus is I am also ordering the 12.5x5.5, 10x5.5 and 10x6 along with the 11x4.5. This works out well for everyone Randy is set up well for getting these out to everyone. Me not so much I haven't even been able to work on this years plane because of crazy work schedule this winter.
Rick
Is everyone on this thread still on the list or do we have to order them from Randy?

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on February 13, 2018, 02:32:11 PM
Is everyone on this thread still on the list or do we have to order them from Randy?

Thanks
Chris

HI Chris
It will still be  weeks  before I get the  Props, I will announce when they are in, and Yes i will look at the  thread to see who wants them, Meanwhile  I have ordered 3 more sizes, that are  exceptional props  so some people may want them also
10 x 6  excellent on OS 35S   FOX 35 , McCoy 35  etc
10 x 5.5     "   "     "     "       "       "       "      "      I have seen these used on the lite ST 40 46 and McCoy 40 on Classic ships like the  ARES    COBRA  etc
12.5 x 5.5

These  will come in along with the  11 x 4.5 I assume

You can order these  at any time, but they will  ship  end of the  month

Regards
Randy
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on February 13, 2018, 06:00:07 PM
Rick and Randy...sincere thanks

I am still committed to my need of 2 sets (6 each) of the 11x 4.5s at what ever the cost
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on February 13, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
The price should be real close to the same. I am NOT adding anything to the price of the propellers. I am just doing this. Thunder Tigers prices have gone up substantially since my last order and shipping and handling charges are up substantially as well. I know Randy is extremely fair in his prices and there is very little if any to gain on getting these props. I originally started this just because I like a good challenge and glad that I could help with our hobby. Randy will be very fair with the pricing.
Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on February 13, 2018, 06:53:54 PM
And the price will be the same?

The price on the props (11 x 4.5) in this thread will be the  same,  The other props  will not be the same price

Randy
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Norm Faith Jr. on February 13, 2018, 08:53:39 PM
I'm in for a 6 pack of the 11 X 4.5
Norm
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Dave Harmon on February 13, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
Good work Rick and Randy!
Much appreciated by all I'm sure.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Joseph Patterson on February 13, 2018, 10:50:51 PM
   Thanks Rick and Randy!
        Doug
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Bill Ambrose on February 14, 2018, 06:16:45 AM
Put me down for 2 6 packs of the 11 x 4.5.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: James Holford on March 08, 2018, 05:01:16 PM
Giving this thread a good bump to keep everyones interest in it. Lord knows I want dome of these 11x4.5

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Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on March 09, 2018, 11:00:39 AM
James...wait to see what the lead time is gonna be... if way down the road some months I would be happy to send you 2 of mine from last buy
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: James Holford on March 09, 2018, 11:11:32 AM
James...wait to see what the lead time is gonna be... if way down the road some months I would be happy to send you 2 of mine from last buy
Sounds good to me bud. Ill even pay for them lol

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Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on March 09, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Giving this thread a good bump to keep everyones interest in it. Lord knows I want dome of these 11x4.5

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The  10 x 6   and  10 x 5.5   and  12 x 5.5  are  in stock  now,  so if  you want any of these  you can order now

Randy Smith    Randyaero@msn.com
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on March 09, 2018, 03:57:38 PM
Hi All

Some of the The  Thunder Tiger  Cyclone props are in stock limited  quantity,  at these  sizes:

10 x 6  $5.99
10 x 5.5  $5.99
12.5  x 5.5    $9.49

I am taking orders on these  now

Randy     Randyaero@msn.com
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on March 10, 2018, 12:35:56 PM
The  11 x 4.5  Cyclones  will be in stock in a  few  weeks

Randy
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: James Holford on March 10, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
The  11 x 4.5  Cyclones  will be in stock in a  few  weeks

Randy
Thanks for the update Mr. Randy

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Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Phil Spillman on March 18, 2018, 09:14:34 PM
I thought that I had posted an order for 6 of the 11 inch props but can't find that on this list! I am hereby requesting an order of 6 of the 11 inch props as well as 6 of the 12.5 inch props! Hope your quota is still available!

Phil Spillman
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on March 20, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
Phil I sent you a PM
Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: George Truett on April 06, 2018, 03:48:19 PM
Any update?
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on April 06, 2018, 08:51:28 PM
They should be here soon. I sent an E-mail to TT yesterday to check on them but have not heard back yet. Once shipped I should receive them within a week and then to Randy.
Rick
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on April 25, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
OK   I have  Thunder Tiger  Cyclone  props in stock   and  some, but  not  all of the  11 x 4.5

These are what s here
10 x 6 Cyclone
10 x 5.5  Cyclone
 have 60 of the  11 x 4.5 Cycl;one  for those needing props  NOW
12.5 x 5.5    will  be in from another  shipment

So please call 6784079376 or emal  Randyaero@msn.com
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Fredvon4 on May 21, 2018, 01:24:33 PM
Lets not let some great guys end up holding the bag    so to speak

Lots of folks committed to pre orders as did I

Now we got a special run and delivery of several hundred propellers we all wanted

A giant thank you to Rick Bollinger and Randy Smith for making this happen
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on May 23, 2018, 10:53:49 AM
Hi Fred  Thanks much.  and  your   props  went out yesterday,  need anything else  please call me

Regards
Randy
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: Rick Bollinger on May 23, 2018, 08:57:42 PM
Ok guys Randy has the props. Big commitment and a lot work in getting these here. If you said you wanted them then its time to order up. All of my time was donated in getting these here no mark-up on my end. At this price these are not a money maker. Just did this as a service to the hobby.
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: gene poremba on May 24, 2018, 03:22:41 AM

 Thanks Randy and Rick! I have contacted Randy and received my original order and sent a PM for a second order. I will contact Randy by phone today in case the PM wasn't received....Gene
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on May 30, 2018, 01:34:04 PM
Hi everyone
All of the  props are in stock,  The  12.5 x 5.5
11 x 4.5
9 x 4.5
10 x 6
and  10 x 5.5

Order? please call     back order   email me 

Randy    678 407 9376    Randyaero@msn.com
Title: Re: TT 11x4.5 props
Post by: RandySmith on June 06, 2018, 04:39:19 PM
I'm in for two 6 packs.

Hi Paul
The Props have been in stock for a while now, If you want  the ones you ordered  please contact me,  have plenty in stock

Regards
Randy   ph  678 407 9376   email  Randyaero@msn.com