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Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« on: March 27, 2022, 06:46:53 PM »
Hi,

I just received a new uniflow tank (HF 350 GRW).
And it came without any instructions, so here I am, asking if I’m doing it right or not.



- The top curved tube is for the muffler (pressure)
- The bottom curve tube is for the venturi (pick-up)
- The small straight tube is for the overflow which will be plugged since I’m using the muffler.

Am I doing it right?

Another questions:
Is the uniflow system created as a replacement for the muffler pressure so the nose can be lighter?
If it is, does the uniflow tank system work better if I don’t use the muffler because the pressure from the atmosphere can go directly to the tank?

And I’ve read from the other thread, there’s not much difference between the standard vent and uniflow tank, except for the lean run at end of fuel, is that right? Any other pros & cons between the two setups (standard vent and uniflow)?


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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2022, 08:03:53 PM »
I haven't tried Uniflow yet, but I studied how it is supposed to work. From what I understand, the idea is that one does not use muffler pressure. Doing so defeats the purpose.

Yes, the overflow is plugged during operation. However, your intended muffler pressure tap is to be left open to atmosphere. Some of the models featuring Uniflow have their Uniflow vents relocated with fuel line to be in the prop wash, but either inboard or above the fuselage AND thoroughly away from turbulent air (like around the engine).

In your instance, making a small tab that mounts to your upper engine bracket with a piece of tube soldered to it pointing forward would give you the intended "pressure tap" to connect your Uniflow vent to.

Most Uniflow tanks use a flexible pickup line inside the tank, which connects to a custom "clunk" pickup. That pickup also has a connection to hook the Uniflow  vent to. This keeps the vent and pickup near each other, so the vent is "in the fuel" at the same time as the pickup.

Does your tank rattle if gently shaken? If so, this suggests the tank is built as most Uniflow tanks are, that is, with flexible lines.

If the tank doesn't clunk, then I suspect there are hard pipes within, and at the outermost position side-by-side, or one above the other. If this tank appears to be "coffin-shaped," then those two pipes may be "in the shoulder" of the coffin shape. This would keep both pipes submerged in fuel together.

A quick Google search for "Uniflow tank" provided many hits, with the top hits being on RCUniverse, here, and then several other places. I like this one specifically because the images show relative locations of a hard tank set up in the "Uniflow" way: http://www.aeromaniacs.com/norveflow.htm

I like this video because it is specifically about a hard tank set-up for Uniflow:

I hope all of this helps!





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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2022, 08:57:53 PM »
Without getting into a physics lecture, the principle of a uniflow tank is this. As long as the tank is sealed, and the only place for air to get in is through the uniflow vent, the engine "thinks" the fuel is exactly at the end of the uniflow vent inside the tank. The uniflow can be rigid or a clunk. The advantage of a rigid uniflow is you can move the uniflow location up or down instead of moving the tank up or down and get the same result. The uniflow should be against the outboard wall of the tank and typically at the rear of the tank. On a profile plane, instead of mounting the tank 1/4" above center (or whatever), the end of the uniflow tube inside the tank can be located 1/4" higher. This is also handy in a built up fuselage where there isn't a lot of room to move the tank up or down. Uniflow tanks will work with muffler pressure or atmospheric pressure. Try both ways and see what works best.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2022, 09:32:01 PM »
Thank you Jim and Bill,

Your responses really help a lot.
I get better understanding of how it works now.

Uniflow tanks will work with muffler pressure or atmospheric pressure. Try both ways and see what works best.

Another question, is it okay to leave the muffler attached (without connecting line to the uniflow vent — let say I’m gonna go with the atmospheric pressure) in order to keep the CG right? The stock muffler is quiet heavy, removing it will definitely ruin the CG.
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2022, 09:38:19 PM »
Just plug the muffler pressure tap. If you need that much nose weight you my as well just use it.
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2022, 11:36:22 PM »
I would also get rid of the tie wraps and use 2 of these L brackets soldered to the ends of the tank. That way you will get a dead consistant motor run with equal lap times upright and inverted.

https://brodak.com/fuel/fuel-tank-brackets/adjustable-tank-brackets-side.html
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2022, 01:55:45 AM »
Kafin,

It looks like you are connecting things correctly. When you connect the remaining tube to the needle valve, you might consider using a fuel filter in this line. This reduces the potential of getting small particles into the needle valve where it can partially block the fuel flow in the middle of flight and cause erratic and lean running.

A “standard vent” tank and a “uniflow vented” tank will behave a bit differently. Generally, the uniflow seems to run better on more setups, running more steadily, as you noted, with less tendency to speed up. This depends on a lot of different factors. What you show in your picture should work well and is quite common.

You don’t have to run muffler pressure with a uniflow tank. As Porsche Jim suggested, you might not get a steady run if the uniflow vent tube is not in “clean air.” His suggestion about locations is important. On the other hand, I have not seen any noticeable change whether you plug the pressure nipple on the muffler or leave it open. I have seen it discolor nearby (within ¼”) paint, so you know that hot exhaust is coming out of it. On your plane, and the location it is at, it won’t hurt anything.

What Porsche Jim said about the flexible line in a uniflow tank may be confusing. I don’t think there are any current commercially made metal tanks with flexible lines inside them. On your tank, if you shake it and hear rattling—it is broken!  Jim almost certainly was thinking of plastic tanks with a clunk. These may or may not be set up as uniflow. Since you have a metal tank, all of that discussion is irrelevant. But, you can make plastic tanks that work very well.

Bill’s comment about moving the end of the uniflow tube inside the tank up and down to adjust the run might benefit from some additional words. If you fly right-side up only, you won’t notice an issue. But if you then try to fly the plane upside down, it might run either faster or slower. To make them even, which is desirable for flying stunts, you can move the tank down if it is faster when flying upside down. And vice versa. Normally, you would start off with the centerline of the tank aligned with the centerline of the engine. Hard to tell exactly from your picture, but you are probably close. Because the engine is sensitive to tank position, you don't want the tank to move around at all or it can affect the needle valve setting and speed. Loose tanks are bad!

Everyone has a preferred way to attach a tank, and they all work to some degree. If you knew you had your tank at exactly the right height (or if you do not plan to fly inverted) you could drill holes in the fuselage immediately above and below your tank and still use the two cable ties. That would prevent the tank from shifting around. Be sure to seal up the holes from fuel though to avoid oil soaking the wood inside. If you put those holes maybe 1/8” above the tank and 1/8” below the tank that would  leave room for some balsa shims. That way you can still adjust the tank up and down a bit, while using cable ties. Lots of ways to do this.

Again, back to the upright vs inverted flight tuning: if you were to leave the outside of the tank in the same location, you would have to open the tank up, which can be done, if you are confident you can resolder it without leaks. Then you could unsolder the end of the uniflow tube and move it up or down. However, with a plastic clunk tank, you can merely rotate the uniflow tube causing the end inside the tank to move up or down. This is the “tuning” that Bill was pointing out. For a metal stunt tank on a profile plane, everyone just shims the whole tank up or down a bit to get the run even. Rarely does it take more than an 1/8 of an inch, and for the OS LA, maybe not even that much.

Be aware that having an air leak anywhere in a uniflow system will cause run problems, whether or not you are running muffler pressure.

Looks like you are about to start testing! Good luck!

Dave

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2022, 05:24:23 AM »
The biggest problem with un pressurized uni flow is the wind. Flying up wind will richen the mixture slowing the plane. Going down wind will lean the mixture causing the plane to speed up. Using pressure like you have will give you a steady engine run in any wind. From the picture it appears your engine is pointed down a lot. That wont hurt the run but will hurt the flying.
I may be wrong but I doubt it.
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2022, 06:30:47 AM »
Regarding atmospheric vs muffler pressure, I've seen where the uniflow line connected to that exact muffler created a siphon, draining the tank into the muffler during the starting procedure.  If you have that issue, simply remove the muffler pressure and let the tank go atmospheric at the uniflow connection.  As others say, no need to block the fitting on the muffler, works fine left open. 

Also, consider trying using either of the two tank connection points for your fuel draw.  You may find you like one better than the other.

I'm also seeing the engine thrust angle is down thrust, as others say.  What's up with that?  Not typical or advised.  You might want to adjust that with new mounting holes, if possible.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2022, 07:21:41 AM »
Judging from the other references in his picture I suspect that the downthrust is camera distortion.  I hope that the size of the pushrods is also distortion!

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2022, 02:13:58 PM »
If it does have down thrust that could explain why Kafin is having trouble going over the top of the loop?

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2022, 02:40:56 PM »
If it does have down thrust that could explain why Kafin is having trouble going over the top of the loop?
It would tend to do that.  I am still concerned about the pushrod wire.  Any chance we can get a picture of the controls from the wing to the tail?  Probably fine but I would like to be sure.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2022, 02:43:29 PM »
Judging from the other references in his picture I suspect that the downthrust is camera distortion.  I hope that the size of the pushrods is also distortion!

Yes, you’re right Ken. It’s because of camera distortion.
But I’ll check that engine thrust angle again, just to make sure. Thanks Peter for the reminder.

Perry, I just tested the setup with muffler pressure (still on the ground), and I could tell it was much more steady compared to my standard vent clunk thank setup. There was no engine cut when I tried to tilt the nose up, inverted it, put in a position as if it’s doing a wingover. The only problem I had was when I was tilting the nose down, it started to show fuel exhaustion symptoms, but the engine was still running longer than it used to do when I had the plastic clunk tank.

And Dave, I can see air bubbles moving on the fuel line when the engine was running. Is that normal?

Once again, thank you for your responses!


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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2022, 02:49:05 PM »
If it does have down thrust that could explain why Kafin is having trouble going over the top of the loop?

That could be, and I also have rebalanced the plane.
I’ll update you with no distortion pictures.


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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2022, 03:10:14 PM »

I can see air bubbles moving on the fuel line when the engine was running. Is that normal?
Best regards,
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It might be OK, but it could also mean you have an air leak at the tank.  Small bubbles in some unifow setups are caused by the uniflow being too close to the pickup.  As long as the fuel supply is consistent at the venturi you are OK.  Personally, I do not like bubbles at all. A test you can do is, with the engine off tilt the nose up some so that the venturi is above a full tank.  Slowly choke the engine and watch the fuel draw.  It should not have any bubbles and if you hold the cylinder on compression with your finger still on the venturi it should not fall back into the tank.  This check also uncovers leaks in the venturi area.  Others will probably have their favorite way to check for leaks at the field. There are several.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2022, 04:48:28 PM »
Mr. K,

It is normal for the plane to begin to starve of fuel if you tip it nose-down while ground-running. All the fuel in the tank sloshes to the front due to gravity, uncovering the fuel pickup tube in the rear outboard corner, and it will run until the fuel line is empty. This is a good way to shut down the engine on the ground if you need to. When the plane is flying in a circle, the fuel is forced outward by centrifugal force, which for a stunt plane is around 3 times the force of gravity. This dominates over the gravity effect of flying nose-down, so the tank continues to feed and the engine does not quit in flight.

Having bubbles in the fuel line is not a good thing, although you will see it happening sometimes. If it is a fizzy bunch of small bubbles, then you may have a vibration problem and the fuel in the tank is foaming. Or, it could be from a pinhole in your fuel tubing. Be sure there are no burrs on the ends of the tank tubes that are nicking your fuel lines. Also, if the tank is not well made, the bubbles may come from a uniflow tube that ends too close to the fuel pickup tube in the back corner. Be sure of your observation though. Try running the engine through a full tank with the outboard wingtip straight down and again look for bubbles. If you don't see any, watching most closely as you get to the end of the tank, then I would not worry about the uniflow location inside the tank.

If you do see bubbles, try this pressure test next:  install your plug on the tank overflow tube. Pull the fuel line off of the spraybar and put an 1/8" rivet in the end, or otherwise seal it tight. Then, using a fuel syringe push air into the uniflow tube coming out of the tank. Listen for leaks. Or, fill it with fuel and look for any weeping, drips or spray. You can do this at the field, if needed. If you really suspect a leak, then take all of the fuel system off--undisturbed, leaving on your fuel lines and plugs--and dunk the whole thing in a pot of water and again pressurize with the syringe. There should be no bubbles at all. This is the kind of test done on a  brand new tank, or a tank you made yourself.

If you find a leak in the tank, you can try to fix it. If you have not done this before, you can get help here. It is simple if you have the right tools, materials and mindset. Otherwise, some guys find it very frustrating.

There should be no reason you can't get the setup you showed in your picture to run very nicely!

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2022, 07:13:38 PM »
Without getting into a physics lecture, the principle of a uniflow tank is this. As long as the tank is sealed, and the only place for air to get in is through the uniflow vent, the engine "thinks" the fuel is exactly at the end of the uniflow vent inside the tank. The uniflow can be rigid or a clunk. The advantage of a rigid uniflow is you can move the uniflow location up or down instead of moving the tank up or down and get the same result. The uniflow should be against the outboard wall of the tank and typically at the rear of the tank. On a profile plane, instead of mounting the tank 1/4" above center (or whatever), the end of the uniflow tube inside the tank can be located 1/4" higher. This is also handy in a built up fuselage where there isn't a lot of room to move the tank up or down. Uniflow tanks will work with muffler pressure or atmospheric pressure. Try both ways and see what works best.
Sorry Bill i must correct you. The metal tank has the ridgid uniflow so the tank height must be adusted,  and the plastic one has a uniflow that can be adjusted by twisting the uniflow vent up or down after loosening the screw in the rubber stopper? I dont use plastic tanks so i could be wrong. Maybe i misunderstood you.
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2022, 08:29:05 PM »
A pin hole in the tank solder is very common.  The detection technique I like is to loop fuel tubing between any two of the three tubes, then pressurize with a syringe.  This can be done with the tank on the plane.  If it is really bad, the syringe will not spring back when pressed.  If it is subtle, the same test can be done with submersing the tank, pinpointing.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2022, 09:13:33 PM »
I have discovered that J-B Weld will cure the leaks that the soldering iron won't.  Of course it is not pretty. D>K
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2022, 11:39:40 PM »
....J-B Weld will cure the leaks that the soldering iron won't.
And the new ones you create trying to fix the leak! LL~

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2022, 04:54:24 AM »
When you connect the remaining tube to the needle valve, you might consider using a fuel filter in this line. This reduces the potential of getting small particles into the needle valve where it can partially block the fuel flow in the middle of flight and cause erratic and lean running.

Is this the filter that I should be looking for?
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2022, 10:11:23 AM »
I've used that exact filter.  In fact, I also use the plug part, mounting it on the fuselage and running a piece of tubing from the fill vent.  More convenient for fueling and less likely to stress the solder joint of the fill vent.  Reaching under the tank to pull off a plug that can get lost never has been that great an arrangement.  A check valve that worked well would be ideal, though I know of none on the market.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2022, 10:16:14 AM »
Kafin,

It looks like you are connecting things correctly. When you connect the remaining tube to the needle valve, you might consider using a fuel filter in this line. This reduces the potential of getting small particles into the needle valve where it can partially block the fuel flow in the middle of flight and cause erratic and lean running.

A “standard vent” tank and a “uniflow vented” tank will behave a bit differently. Generally, the uniflow seems to run better on more setups, running more steadily, as you noted, with less tendency to speed up. This depends on a lot of different factors. What you show in your picture should work well and is quite common.

You don’t have to run muffler pressure with a uniflow tank. As Porsche Jim suggested, you might not get a steady run if the uniflow vent tube is not in “clean air.” His suggestion about locations is important. On the other hand, I have not seen any noticeable change whether you plug the pressure nipple on the muffler or leave it open. I have seen it discolor nearby (within ¼”) paint, so you know that hot exhaust is coming out of it. On your plane, and the location it is at, it won’t hurt anything.

What Porsche Jim said about the flexible line in a uniflow tank may be confusing. I don’t think there are any current commercially made metal tanks with flexible lines inside them. On your tank, if you shake it and hear rattling—it is broken!  Jim almost certainly was thinking of plastic tanks with a clunk. These may or may not be set up as uniflow. Since you have a metal tank, all of that discussion is irrelevant. But, you can make plastic tanks that work very well.

Bill’s comment about moving the end of the uniflow tube inside the tank up and down to adjust the run might benefit from some additional words. If you fly right-side up only, you won’t notice an issue. But if you then try to fly the plane upside down, it might run either faster or slower. To make them even, which is desirable for flying stunts, you can move the tank down if it is faster when flying upside down. And vice versa. Normally, you would start off with the centerline of the tank aligned with the centerline of the engine. Hard to tell exactly from your picture, but you are probably close. Because the engine is sensitive to tank position, you don't want the tank to move around at all or it can affect the needle valve setting and speed. Loose tanks are bad!

Everyone has a preferred way to attach a tank, and they all work to some degree. If you knew you had your tank at exactly the right height (or if you do not plan to fly inverted) you could drill holes in the fuselage immediately above and below your tank and still use the two cable ties. That would prevent the tank from shifting around. Be sure to seal up the holes from fuel though to avoid oil soaking the wood inside. If you put those holes maybe 1/8” above the tank and 1/8” below the tank that would  leave room for some balsa shims. That way you can still adjust the tank up and down a bit, while using cable ties. Lots of ways to do this.

Again, back to the upright vs inverted flight tuning: if you were to leave the outside of the tank in the same location, you would have to open the tank up, which can be done, if you are confident you can resolder it without leaks. Then you could unsolder the end of the uniflow tube and move it up or down. However, with a plastic clunk tank, you can merely rotate the uniflow tube causing the end inside the tank to move up or down. This is the “tuning” that Bill was pointing out. For a metal stunt tank on a profile plane, everyone just shims the whole tank up or down a bit to get the run even. Rarely does it take more than an 1/8 of an inch, and for the OS LA, maybe not even that much.

Be aware that having an air leak anywhere in a uniflow system will cause run problems, whether or not you are running muffler pressure.

Looks like you are about to start testing! Good luck!

Dave  rather than faster and slower it should be richer or leaner  this was ment for Dave hull
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2022, 10:19:56 AM »
it should be richer or leaner ,not faster or slower
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2022, 09:18:12 PM »
As we discussed before, here's the photos of the engine thrust.
Is it too down? Or still ok?












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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2022, 11:38:45 PM »
It looks okay to me.
I have not read all of the thread so I don't know if anybody else has mentioned it. You need to tighten up the film on the wings, a LOT!!!

If you do not have a sealing iron or hot air gun use a hair dryer.

Check out YouTube first to see how it should look.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2022, 01:13:19 AM »
Its hard to tell if there is any down thrust by a photo. Hopefully an expert  will know a way for you to check it accurately. I plan on checking my thrust line too, but im lucky to have a club member with an incedence meter. There are also apps for your phone that will check for level.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2022, 07:48:08 AM »
  From what I see in the photos supplied, I think the thrust angle is pretty close and should fly acceptably. i would suggest tightening the covering also. When applying iron on covering, you need to get it as tight as possible, with as few wrinkles as possible BEFORE shrinking because the material will only shrink so much and you will only get a certain amount out. I would also recommend moving the tank more forward and get it as close to the engine as possible. The fuel feed line looks really long and it's best to keep feed line length as short as safely possible with out laying against the exhaust or the engine. From what I have seen in the video, that airplane should loop. You just have the same nervousness about doing it as we all had!!
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2022, 08:09:17 AM »
Dan's right.  You could bring the tank forward, add a piece of wood as a stop to prevent the tank crashing into the engine, locate the tank by drilling four holes for your zip ties instead of two, bearing in mind that the tank should be level and likely between in line and 1/8" high vs. the engine thrust line. 

And adjusting the CG is still important for looping, combination of theory, advice from plans/web, and the school of practical experimentation.

Peter

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2022, 08:15:33 AM »
What is the material you used for the aft (elevator) pushrod?  If it is flexing in flight then the plane will do exactly what yours appears to do in the video.  Only a carbon fiber rod of that length will not flex enough to be a problem.  Even piano wire at 3/32 diameter will flex some.  The pictures we have are not conclusive.  Humor me so I stop worrying about it.  If you tighten the covering which is a good idea, do it gradually on both sides so that you don't introduce warps.

Keep at it, you will win in the end.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2022, 08:16:41 AM »
Leak testing.

This is handy when the tank is already attached to the plane and you can't submerge it.
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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2022, 01:47:35 AM »
Looks like lots of good suggestions. All you need is for the plane to be set up decently, and have the critical stuff "safe enough."  Then have fun. The point here is not to meet a ProStunt Standard, but to get into the air with something that runs and flys well enough to learn about the rest of the stuff.

To ensure the pushrod does not flex (bow) when you give it UP control, all you need to add is a guide. An easy way to do this is to take a fairly large cotter pin with an eye that is a bit bigger than the diameter of the pushrod and install it about in the middle of the pushrod. Slip it over the pushrod, close it up, and then push the end into a snug hole drilled in the fuselage. Glue the pin into the fuselage when you have it right. The pushrod should not be bowed by the pin; you have to put it in the right spot. Then, even a 3/32" diameter rod will work just fine. No need to cut down the entire carbon-fiber-tube forest for yet another pushrod....

As a followup to one of my earlier comments: the tank height you have is fine for upright flying and inside loops. When you get to the point of outside loops or inverted flying, you may find you need to raise or lower the tank. Bob has suggested to listen to the engine and see if it is richer or leaner when flipped upside down. Another way most flyers do this is to time the laps. If you have the needle set so that you like the speed upright, you should time the lap and see how many seconds it takes to go around. When you flip it over to fly inverted, time it again. Leaner=Faster. Most flyers prefer that the upright lap times be the same as the inverted lap times.

Based on your latest pictures, I would shorten the fuel line between the tank and the needle valve quite a bit. Not so short that it gets a kink in it near the needle, but shorter. Sometimes a really long line can get blown around and actually cause problems. The pressure line to the muffler is less an issue but yours is still pretty long.

The filter you showed is used all the time. They work well, and you can open them up to clean them out and just keep reusing them.

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2022, 09:50:22 AM »
Thank you guys for all the suggestions you have given me.
I’ve listed all on my note and I believe I’ll get better on building, trimming, and flying.

I’ll keep you updated!

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Re: Need Suggestion on Fuel Tank
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2022, 11:04:55 PM »
The simple way I use to check engine thrust is to look around the house for a piece of aluminum angle.  Seems most people have some somewhere.  Drill a hole on one side close to the edge that is the same diameter as the prop shaft so that you can use a prop nut and a couple of washers to hold it tight to the engine thrust washer.  On your way home, stop at the Dollar Store (or $1.25 store now) and pick up one of their cheap levels.  It'll have three bubble levels in it.  Break them out and compare them to find two that match their bubble position.  Then place one of those levels on the flat stab, and the other on the bottom of the aluminum angle.  If the bubbles agree, then you're at lease even with your stab, which hopefully is square to the wing. 







It won't give you a measurement to the 1/10 of a degree, but for general sport flying it'll do the trick.

Mark

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