Author Topic: Why are AMA fees for insurance event and club fees going up? (Read 2766 times)

dave siegler · « **on:** December 05, 2015, 12:33:13 PM »

At our club meeting the Ama is raising club fees, contest fees and the fee for certificate of insurance.

The good news is the old fee schedule is in place till 12/31

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Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #1 on:** December 05, 2015, 01:19:07 PM »

Could it be that they're expecting more claims from the Quad Copter "revolution"...

Randy Cuberly

Lyle Spiegel · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2015, 02:43:18 PM »

They should soon be giving a price break to clubs in New York State- on Tuesday nite Dec 8th there is a public hearing in Albany County for proposed law no. Q which is intended to ban use or operation of any type RC aircraft, NOT JUST DRONES in Albany and surrounding areas.
Im not making this up- go to this web link to read the entire law.
http://app.albanycounty.com/legislature/resolutions/2015/20151013/2015-LL_Q.pdf

Doesn't touch controline, freeflight guys.

If it passes into law as written, I'm outta NY State!

Lyle

Randy Powell · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 2015, 02:53:27 PM »

Greed?

wwwarbird · « **Reply #4 on:** December 05, 2015, 05:48:21 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 05, 2015, 02:53:27 PM

Greed?

More than anything I'd say.

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 2015, 10:52:32 PM »

Quote from: Lyle Spiegel on December 05, 2015, 02:43:18 PM

They should soon be giving a price break to clubs in New York State- on Tuesday nite Dec 8th there is a public hearing in Albany County for proposed law no. Q which is intended to ban use or operation of any type RC aircraft, NOT JUST DRONES in Albany and surrounding areas.
Im not making this up- go to this web link to read the entire law.
http://app.albanycounty.com/legislature/resolutions/2015/20151013/2015-LL_Q.pdf

Doesn't touch controline, freeflight guys.

If it passes into law as written, I'm outta NY State!

Lyle

Tucson AZ is always a good bet for flying either R/C or CL. One of the nicest CL fields around anywhere, and 3 past National Stunt Champions, 1 National Scale Champion, and the Current National Carrier Champion! The home of VSC and we fly all year round!

Randy Cuberly

john e. holliday · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2015, 03:18:54 PM »

And if you go to the other side of the range there is one large radio site.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #7 on:** December 06, 2015, 03:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 05, 2015, 02:53:27 PM

Greed?

No. They/we are planning on assuming (or just have assumed) the risk associated with drones. That's going to jack the cost of insurance up astronomically given that there is another "incident" just about every day. And that will go through the roof on December 25th.

Brett

Carl Cisneros · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2015, 04:15:03 PM »

Doc

Don't forget about the RC Race boats if they are still racing these days there.

Brett;

Yeah, bet there are going to be alot of them bought that is for sure. I own a couple and have never really flown them much
except at the house in the front yard especially when it snows.
the Families like the arial footage, so I send them some when I can when it desides to snow here in good old Norther VA.

Carl

wwwarbird · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2015, 04:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on December 06, 2015, 03:53:59 PM

No. They/we are planning on assuming (or just have assumed) the risk associated with drones. That's going to jack the cost of insurance up astronomically given that there is another "incident" just about every day. And that will go through the roof on December 25th.

Brett

Yep, they're own greed is going to bite them in the a$$ and they're expecting us to pay for it. I've said since the beginning that the AMA should have visibly separated themselves from quad/drone activity etc. and have nothing to do with and no association with them. Sadly, even the AMA President doesn't even begin to "get it". That makes at least two Presidents in this country without a clue.

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2015, 10:51:26 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on December 06, 2015, 03:53:59 PM

No. They/we are planning on assuming (or just have assumed) the risk associated with drones. That's going to jack the cost of insurance up astronomically given that there is another "incident" just about every day. And that will go through the roof on December 25th.

Brett

HA! And you guys thought I was kidding!

I wasn't. See!

Randy Cuberly

Brett Buck · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2015, 11:22:31 PM »

Quote from: Randy Cuberly on December 06, 2015, 10:51:26 PM

HA! And you guys thought I was kidding!

I wasn't. See!

Randy Cuberly

Hmm, I sure didn't think you were kidding. David and I went back and forth on email with our District 10 AVP on the same topi ca few months ago, with the astonishing result that the AMA apparently considers overflying people at low altitudes to be a "right".

Brett

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2015, 11:51:11 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on December 06, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Hmm, I sure didn't think you were kidding. David and I went back and forth on email with our District 10 AVP on the same topi ca few months ago, with the astonishing result that the AMA apparently considers overflying people at low altitudes to be a "right".

Brett

Well...Wrong is sort of like right, Right?....Uhhh no I guess not.

Wrong Headed is about right!

Randy Cuberly

Larry Fruits · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2015, 12:43:39 AM »

Where I live in northern Indiana, there was a recent add on TV for drones. They emphasized being able to "spy" on your neighbors. Stores in the area are advertising a free drone with any purchase over a certain amount.

What a mess, and like others have already said, we are going to end up paying, either in much higher membership costs due to insurance premiums going up, or losing our flying privileges altogether. Drones are not models, they are toys.

I am not saying to get ride of drones, as I know people here have them, like them, and probably fly them responsibly, but AMA has certainly stepped in it big time and should have avoided taking them into the fold.

Larry

Lyle Spiegel · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2015, 06:05:24 AM »

Is it possible that the insurance program could institute some type of risk based "surcharge" for those who are flying certain type of models which have higher risks? i.e. Turbine power, Giant scale, drones. The cost for automobile insurance if you drive a high end sports car with high horsepower performance is much more then premium for ordinary passenger vehicle. Those flying only hand launch gliders, rubber power, and paper airplanes should pay least.

Paul Wood · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2015, 08:37:47 AM »

Quote from: Lyle Spiegel on December 07, 2015, 06:05:24 AM

Is it possible that the insurance program could institute some type of risk based "surcharge" for those who are flying certain type of models which have higher risks? i.e. Turbine power, Giant scale, drones. The cost for automobile insurance if you drive a high end sports car with high horsepower performance is much more then premium for ordinary passenger vehicle. Those flying only hand launch gliders, rubber power, and paper airplanes should pay least.

That makes perfect sense! Therefore it will never happen. What a mess, and it's only just beginning.