Author Topic: Sparky's Live Nat's Feed. (Read 2175 times)

RC Storick · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2020, 02:26:05 PM »

Sorry guys for the second half of this video but as I have said bandwidth so we burned through the first $50.00 in 3 hours. I had to wait to get back to the motel to buy more so we are set for tomorrow with another 5 gig

Joseph Patterson · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2020, 06:56:53 AM »

Robert, good video and sound. I was wondering if you could adjust a little to be able to see the tops of maneuvers better.
Doug

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:40:49 PM »

Anybody know how to link to the live feed and when it might start? I would also like to throw a couple of bucks in to buy some bandwidth but gave up trying to find where to do it.

Ken

Peter in Fairfax, VA · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2020, 01:50:40 PM »

Ken,

It looks like it is a YouTube channel. Here is a link:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC96GB5l5-lNYSEtieSfFFCQ

Peter

RC Storick · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2020, 07:12:36 PM »

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2020, 08:55:27 PM »

Did I just see Doran launch an electric model unassisted in violation of the AMA Safety Code at the AMA Nationals???
Just curious!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

EddyR · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2020, 07:32:45 AM »

Sparky. Thanks for the walk through of the appearance judging.
Ed Ruane

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2020, 08:28:50 AM »

Quote from: Dan McEntee on July 13, 2020, 08:55:27 PM

Did I just see Doran launch an electric model unassisted in violation of the AMA Safety Code at the AMA Nationals???
Just curious!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

You did but the contest doesn't start till Monday and that rule only applies to contests.

Ken

Gene Martine · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2020, 09:31:45 AM »

Thank's Sparky, great vid's.
Gene

Joseph Patterson · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2020, 11:07:22 AM »

Dan, I think you are correct. It's the NAT'S and on AMA SITE. I think it applies to local sanctioned contests too when CD is responsible to see that AMA SAFETY Code is followed.
Doug

Brett Buck · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2020, 11:12:09 AM »

Quote from: Joseph Patterson on July 14, 2020, 11:07:22 AM

Dan, I think you are correct. It's the NAT'S and on AMA SITE. I think it applies to local sanctioned contests too when CD is responsible to see that AMA SAFETY Code is followed.
Doug

The safety code does not prohibit self-launching. That is a competition rule, not part of the safety code.

Brett

Joseph Patterson · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2020, 12:01:22 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on July 14, 2020, 11:12:09 AM

The safety code does not prohibit self-launching. That is a competition rule, not part of the safety code.

I made a mistake - I meant to say competition rules. However, at our local contest we require someone restraining the plane whether in competition or practice. If someone showed up for practice with a stooge we would be OK with it, but haven't had that happen yet. I've seen some weird things happen w/ electrics on the starting line a couple times, so we venture towards the side of safety.
Thanks, Doug
Brett

John Rist · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2020, 06:16:11 PM »

I fly electric by my self all the time. It can be done safely. You drive a stake in the ground (very large screwdriver) and loop the safety thong over it. If the airplane takes off unannounced safety thong pulls on the down line standing the aircraft on it's noise killing the motor.

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2020, 10:39:35 AM »

When will todays be available? From the scores seems some wild things when on.

Best, DennisT

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2020, 12:43:25 PM »

Quote from: John Rist on July 14, 2020, 06:16:11 PM

I fly electric by my self all the time. It can be done safely. You drive a stake in the ground (very large screwdriver) and loop the safety thong over it. If the airplane takes off unannounced safety thong pulls on the down line standing the aircraft on it's noise killing the motor.

Good Idea. I do it after I land so that I can keep the lines off the ground walking it back from a bad landing. Makes sense to do it going in as well. I don't know anywhere in the rules it says a stooge has to be hooked to the tail!

Ken

RC Storick · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2020, 01:21:47 PM »

Sorry today I took no Live videos as things were very fast and hectic. I had no time between launching John on circle 1 and getting ready to fly on circle 4. We were only 2 or 3 flights apart. But I have stayed an extra day for Saturdays fly off that I will only be filming circle 4

Howard Rush · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2020, 02:06:50 PM »

Quote from: Ken Culbertson on July 17, 2020, 12:43:25 PM

Good Idea. I do it after I land so that I can keep the lines off the ground walking it back from a bad landing. Makes sense to do it going in as well. I don't know anywhere in the rules it says a stooge has to be hooked to the tail!

Fastening the handle to something after landing is good practice. Although the occurrence is rare, the motor can start again.

Shorts,David · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2020, 12:04:01 AM »

I feel like the world is missing out on the tension for Saturday morning. The most exciting morning of the year for CLPA. Seems like someone should be giving odds.

David

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2020, 08:27:06 AM »

Sparky,
Great job keeping us informed, looking forward to seeing the Walker cup fly-off video.

Best, DennisT

RC Storick · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2020, 09:02:13 AM »

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2020, 03:48:03 PM »

I have never seen anyone enter the outside squares like Paul does on the flight, from normal level flight altitude, with a sharp turn up to 45 degrees, then outside turn to establish the top of the square, then two outside squares from that point. I had to watch it a few times to make sure of what I was seeing! I'm curious as to why he does it that way?
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

John Rist · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2020, 04:22:52 PM »

Amazing flight video. Thanks Sparky.

John McFayden · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2020, 05:31:22 PM »

Yes Sparky. Great Final 5 Video's. Demonstrates how skilled these guys are and how much more practice I need!

I to had to go back and watch Paul's outside loops a couple of times. Never seen that before.

Dwayne Donnelly · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:56:38 PM »

Quote from: John McFayden on July 19, 2020, 05:31:22 PM

Yes Sparky. Great Final 5 Video's. Demonstrates how skilled these guys are and how much more practice I need!

I to had to go back and watch Paul's outside loops a couple of times. Never seen that before.

Hi John, get your Starlight yet? Interesting way to enter the outside square, I have a bad habit of applying a bit of up just before applying down, I'm going to try the way Paul does it and see if it helps.

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2020, 08:29:46 PM »

Quote from: Dwayne Donnelly on July 19, 2020, 07:56:38 PM

Hi John, get your Starlight yet? Interesting way to enter the outside square, I have a bad habit of applying a bit of up just before applying down, I'm going to try the way Paul does it and see if it helps.

It will definitely take an airplane that is in VERY good trim!! I might try that my next time out. Maybe helps with "impression points" with the judges?
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

John Paris · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2020, 08:55:21 PM »

We discussed Paul's entry at the judge's meeting as it had been used at a previous world's event by another team. It was allowed there and after some discussion we agreed it was within the rules. I believe the idea is to reduce the airspeed of the model that is normally pushed pretty hard in high wind to make that first leg of the outside square more manageable. I only got to see it done once from a distance since I was judging on another circle but it appeared to do as claimed. Will need to try it myself in the right conditions.
John

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2020, 10:04:29 PM »

Quote from: John Paris on July 19, 2020, 08:55:21 PM

We discussed Paul's entry at the judge's meeting as it had been used at a previous world's event by another team. It was allowed there and after some discussion we agreed it was within the rules. I believe the idea is to reduce the airspeed of the model that is normally pushed pretty hard in high wind to make that first leg of the outside square more manageable. I only got to see it done once from a distance since I was judging on another circle but it appeared to do as claimed. Will need to try it myself in the right conditions.
John

I don't think I have ever seen this entry before or even seen it discussed. My first reaction was, is it legal? I looked up the current rules on the AMA web site and the description for the out side squares is ( I'm paraphrasing) to climb to 45 degrees and make the first downward turn.... and so on. It doesn't say how to climb. I think this works because you can establish that side and corner of the square right away, and you are at the correct 45 degree elevation across the top for the first downward turn to make it fit the rules. As I said previously, it will take a model in very good trim for most of us to pull that entry off, and after reading John's explanation, it makes a lot of sense. The biggest problem I see is that some of us have been doing it the "normal" way for SOOOOOOO long that getting in the groove for that entry will take a lot of practice. It looked pretty impressive on the video and looked like he put it right on the money. We shall see the next flying session!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2020, 06:31:18 AM »

The outside square entry that Paul used is very interesting. I would think that one could do this a few feet early then place the third corner in a different spot for the actual up leg of the maneuver. It looks like Paul put the initial pull up at the same spot as the maneuver up leg, maybe it sets up your timing better doing it this way. You likely need to practice this so as not to leave out the second actual sq loop. I like it.

Best, DennisT

John Leidle · « **Reply #29 on:** July 20, 2020, 08:06:05 AM »

I watched Ed Southwick fly level , go up at a 45 , hit the corner entering into the outside squares. This entrance would have me thinking of " when did he start the manuver?"
John L.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #30 on:** July 20, 2020, 09:01:51 AM »

There is another way to enter the clover too that some are trying or considering. This is to start from normal level flight and turn vertical up through the center into the first loop rather than climbing to 39 degrees (whatever) and coming at it horizontally. The maneuver still actually begins at the same spot. I've been meaning to try that.....

Dave

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2020, 01:10:10 PM »

Quote from: Dave_Trible on July 20, 2020, 09:01:51 AM

There is another way to enter the clover too that some are trying or considering. This is to start from normal level flight and turn vertical up through the center into the first loop rather than climbing to 39 degrees (whatever) and coming at it horizontally. The maneuver still actually begins at the same spot. I've been meaning to try that.....

Dave

I have tried that entry. In wind it is MUCH easier to fly the maneuver but it takes away too much from the difficulty. This event is not supposed to be easy. I am the only one in my little flying group that tried it and the comments I got back were very much along the line of "Why?" Especially since it is not legal.

On the Outside squares:
Paul's entry was legal because he entered the maneuver in level flight at 45 degrees. I am definitely going to try that one. I see a lot of benefit in bleeding off speed and defining shape. Ed Southwick's 45 approach has the same purpose but stretches the rule or in my opinion breaks it. Now if he 45'ed to the upper right corner then leveled off...humm

Ken