Top Flite Nobler

[Andrew Saunders]

What other classes can the Top Flite Nobler fly in besides precision Stunt? I had one person tell me that it possibly could be classic.

[RC Storick]

It is a classic airplane

[Andrew Saunders]

Thank you Robert!!!

[Dan McEntee]

  It can be Classic, Nostalgia 30, or any of the PAMPA classes. I have quite a bit of time on mine. It's one of my "grab it off the wall for a couple of quick flights" airplanes. Properly trimmed and powered, it's capable of 500 plus point flights.
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   Dan McEntee

  OOPS!! I thought it said Flight Streak! Same thing for the Nobler though. I have another one hanging in the garage that needs to be finished. Can't find the time for even an ARF these days! Spent too much time on a simple plumbing job today!!!

[James Mills]

 It can be Classic, Nostalgia 30, or any of the PAMPA classes. I have quite a bit of time on mine. It's one of my "grab it off the wall for a couple of quick flights" airplanes. Properly trimmed and powered, it's capable of 500 plus point flights.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

  OOPS!! I thought it said Flight Streak! Same thing for the Nobler though. I have another one hanging in the garage that needs to be finished. Can't find the time for even an ARF these days! Spent too much time on a simple plumbing job today!!!

Dan,

Simple and plumbing shouldn't be used in the same sentence .

James

[Will Davis]

At last count , there were at least 4 different nobler kits  by the top flite company   ... jr nobler, green box nobler, Gieske  nobler, and then the ARF nobler,

I have seen all of them in n-30 , but  I am not sure on the classic cutoff date for all of them

[peabody]

I believe that the Gieske  Nobler is NOT truly Classic legal....I've always let them fly in Classic, but I think they are a year or two too late.....

Have fun!

[Randy Cuberly]

I believe that the Gieske  Nobler is NOT truly Classic legal....I've always let them fly in Classic, but I think they are a year or two too late.....

Have fun!

According to Mr Bob Geiseke the first Geiseke Nobler was designed and built in 1968 and flown at the Nationals in 1969, therefore it is unquestionably Classic Legal.  It wasn't published but was kitted by Top Flite in late 1970.

I have flown Geiseke Noblers in no less than 4 VSC's.

Randy Cuberly

[Tim Wescott]

I've been told, but have not verified, that the outline of the Top Flight Gieske Nobler is slightly different from the 1969 Nationals version, but that you can build the "correct" version from the kit.

There's a Bob Gieske approved Nobler profile drawing floating around, that you could use to verify.

How's that for splitting hairs?

[RC Storick]

Is the green box old time legal too?

[Dan McEntee]

Is the green box old time legal too?

     
     No, the green box kit is NOT OTS legal. The plan from when it was presented in Model Airplane News in late 1952 is OTS legal, or the Brodak George Aldrich Nobler is supposed to be based on George's original brown paper drawings. I have a set of plans signed and dated by George that are the same. But George himself said that he think it should NOT be allowed in OTS, and that he would never fly it in OTS himself. He told me this istting in the tail gate of his mini van at VSC. The Moon brothers have a plan available for the classic legal Gieske Nobler. The story George Told me at the same bench flying session, was that the first Gieske Nobler was one Bob G. copied from a green box kit that George lent him because Bob G. crashed his main airplane a month or two before the NATS. Bob G. traced around the ribs with a ball point pen, which changed the airfoil a bit. Bob G. had complained to George that the Nobler was a real pain to land, and George told him to lengthen the tail wheel wire until the fuse was level, and while he was at it, square off the top of the rudder so it would present better in the squares and other bottoms. I have never had the chance to ask Bob G. about that story, but I swear on my grand daughter's head that it's true.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[Randy Cuberly]

I've been told, but have not verified, that the outline of the Top Flight Gieske Nobler is slightly different from the 1969 Nationals version, but that you can build the "correct" version from the kit.

There's a Bob Gieske approved Nobler profile drawing floating around, that you could use to verify.

How's that for splitting hairs?

The only real difference in the outline is a slight difference in tip shape and slightly smaller flaps on the 69 version.

I spoke with Bob about it at least two different times in the early 1990's in telephone conversations.

Randy Cuberly

[Dallas Hanna]

   
     No, the green box kit is NOT OTS legal. The plan from when it was presented in Model Airplane News in late 1952 is OTS legal, or the Brodak George Aldrich Nobler is supposed to be based on George's original brown paper drawings. I have a set of plans signed and dated by George that are the same. But George himself said that he think it should NOT be allowed in OTS, and that he would never fly it in OTS himself. He told me this istting in the tail gate of his mini van at VSC. The Moon brothers have a plan available for the classic legal Gieske Nobler. The story George Told me at the same bench flying session, was that the first Gieske Nobler was one Bob G. copied from a green box kit that George lent him because Bob G. crashed his main airplane a month or two before the NATS. Bob G. traced around the ribs with a ball point pen, which changed the airfoil a bit. Bob G. had complained to George that the Nobler was a real pain to land, and George told him to lengthen the tail wheel wire until the fuse was level, and while he was at it, square off the top of the rudder so it would present better in the squares and other bottoms. I have never had the chance to ask Bob G. about that story, but I swear on my grand daughter's head that it's true.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

Here is the old plan which I posted some time ago somewhere on here on the same subject.  Found it!  See here:

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,33883.0.html

HH