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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Ty Marcucci on October 14, 2011, 08:01:33 PM
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Over the last few years I have been watching too many guys having way too much fun with Bi-slobs, so I got a set of FM plans and now am deep in the balsa dust doing up two of them. Photos below.
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Ty,
I know that watching those guys at Clanton trying to keep from getting their lines in a knot didn't influence you at all, did it??? n~
Jim
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Put beefy landing gear and generously sized wheels on it so you can bounce it off the turf and do awsum' touch and goes all day without stubbing your toe and dinging the prop.
Bi-slobs ROCK....!
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I'm worried about the power. You know how Ty loves his Fox .35 Stunt engines. What's the plot, Ty? ??? Steve
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Doesn't international law dictate that Bi-Slobs must be powered by Fox .35's?
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You are correct Wayne! Hence the name SLOB.
The plane is covered in castor when it lands.
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You are doing the right thing Ty. When I built mine, I asked Jim Lee for some tips. His best tip was to build two so that you can be flying one while repairing the other one. They are a lot of fun and will make you smile.
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Now you've done it Ty, bringing the Fox hunters out of the wood work. Also building two Slobs. As stated the Slob's are great to get the mind off flying the pattern and jus having fun. But, also remember, like Jim Lee told me, "After a 3 - 4 minute flight you will be exhausted". I have let/made several people fly my Slob and like the big grins on their faces after the engine finally quits. Oh, make sure the Fox's are well broken in. H^^
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I agree Ty. It is a bad habit I got into building stunt planes. After crashing these two several times, and repairing, they are starting to look a little more Slob like. LOL If I ever build another, I will mount the belcrank on a tongue sticking out of the fuse. It sure would simplify the controls having them on the outside.
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Kind of funny, with all honestly before I even opened this post last night I figured it was about the Bi-Slob just from the title. Way to go Ty! y1
After thinking about it for a few years, and watching the Brodak videos from last year, it all put me over the edge and with some lucky timing I got ahold of an ARC 'Slob in the classifieds on Stuka Stunt. I planned to have it flying by now but...I finished three other planes before it instead.
I've also heard Jim's line about having to build two. Knowing it was all "tongue in cheek", the way I heard it was because you'll trash the first one just learning how to fly it. In a deal I couldn't refuse, I very recently got ahold of a sweet brand new Randy Smith Fox .35 complete with his muffler. Overkill I know for a 'Slob, but what the heck. I've also been trying to think of how to top Chris Sterner's version, a Stearman takeoff that looks really cool.
I've gotta bust mine out and get to work. y1
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I have batch built 2 also. The first one finally died this summer. It is just as easy to cut out parts for 2 as one, and if you have paint in the gun you can shoot the second one at the same time.
The next ones I build will differ a little. I always snap the spars, so bigger spars or spruce spars are in order. Also will chage the TE. The TE hard to attach covering after the flaps are on. especally for a repair.
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Would somebody please put a Barnstormer fin on a Bislop (sic), just to modernize it a tad? LL~ Steve
PS: I thought Ty was going to give flight test reports by now. What's the danged holdup?
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I think he went to a contest. LL~ LL~ LL~ Really Ty should answer, but if he is like me when I get to a certain point, things slow down. Still working out the nose on the P-47. H^^
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I put an El Diablo fin rudder on this one.
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The 'Diablo rudder looks really good on there Jim, nice choice. y1
Whenever I get to mine I've been planning to change the tail surface outlines and add some sort of wingtips too. I just haven't come up with that "perfect" idea yet so mine still sits on the shelf. This post definitely has the "gears grinding" again though. VD~
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You are correct Wayne! Hence the name SLOB.
The plane is covered in castor when it lands.
I was at a contest at the Garden State Circleburners field many years ago, and the designer (whose name I can't remember) brought out the predecessor of the Bi-slob. It was a high wing monoplane called the Big Slob. The Bislob (also from the same designer) was the second airplane in the Slob series, and was so called because it was a biplane.
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All of the old time and classic planes I build, I do as close to the plans I can. On fun stuff like Bi-slobs, I take liberties, and if they don't fly right, I know who to complain to. LOL. I did not think the added wing tips would do anymore than changing the looks a little, but actually did make it fly a little better in my opinion. At least it fly's a little better than the green one that is mostly stock. Both of them will make you smile while flying though. I have learned not to fly my regular stunters after flying the Slob. They just turn way to slow in comparison, and I seem to expect them to turn like the Slob. Maybe the Bi-slob is the real stunter.
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Ty,
I'm glad to see one built from the FM plans. (I drew them). Ronnie always said to built it lite. I always take the centers out of the ribs. I have never had a problem with the T.E as shown.
Ron flew his with the Fox .35 and an old version of the Fox .25. Too much power is bad, and the Fox has the perfect break. The only thing I hate is cleaning the castor goo from between the wings.
John Kelly, who is in one of the pictures in the FM article had a "Big Slob: at one of the Circle Burners meets. De is correct that the "Big Slob" was first and then the "Bi Slob". There is a similarity in the fuselage. The "Bi Slob" flies much better.
Ron also had a "Stagger-Bi" it had the lower wing forward of the top and wheel pants, Nice looking, but I don't think that is was as good as the "Bi Slob". But it is an interesting variation. I'll have to scan a picture.
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Tom, I built mine off of your excellent plans also. The green one is pretty much stock except for the rounded stab/elevator, and the smoothed out rudder. I ordered the plans and magazine article from FM, and was glad I did. The magazine was a great inspiration for building the Slob. Thank you for making it available to us guys that like to have fun with our models.
Yes, they do get messy, but while you are cleaning you can recall all the fun it was flying. The Bi-Slob is really in a class by itself. There just isn't anything else out there like it. And, you are right. The Fox 35 is just the right power, and I set mine in a very fat 4 stroke with a 10-6 prop and a standard 3 ounce tank.
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Thanks Jim,
It couldn't have been done without Ronnie.
There is another fun plane coming, for Sport and Intermediate/Advanced. The "Hobo"
Please see thread entitled "the Hobo?"
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I'd like to track down a copy-what mag, year, and issue was the 'Slob published?
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I was at a contest at the Garden State Circleburners field many years ago, and the designer (whose name I can't remember) brought out the predecessor of the Bi-slob. It was a high wing monoplane called the Big Slob. The Bislob (also from the same designer) was the second airplane in the Slob series, and was so called because it was a biplane.
I would guess your refering to ron pavalar
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wwwarbird, The plans were published in Flying Models june 92 issue. Flying Models may still have that issue, and if they do, you can get it from them along with the plans. They still had the magazine when I got my plans, but that was several years ago.
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Waiting for the quick build , foam wing, profile version to be kitted! :!
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Tom,
Ron Pavloer designed both the Big Slob and the BiSlob. As I said above, John Kelly has had both airplanes at the Garden State Circle Burner's field.
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wwwarbird, The plans were published in Flying Models june 92 issue. Flying Models may still have that issue, and if they do, you can get it from them along with the plans. They still had the magazine when I got my plans, but that was several years ago.
Thanks Jim. I've already got an ARC kit on the shelf so I'm good there, but I like going through the old mag articles too.
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Ty,
I don't know about yours but I've checked my ARC and a Du-Bro 4 ounce clunk with the slanted nose fits the compartment perfectly. y1
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I made both of mine to have a slide in tank from the front. I made a 4 ounce and a 3 ounce tank. I installed the 3 ounce first, and have stayed with that. My Foxes will run 5+ minutes on the 3 ounce tank the way I set them up, and on a Bi-Slob, that is long enough. Most of the flight time is done with mine flying in front of me on the down wind side of the circle. It keeps you very buisy for that 5 minutes. The first time I saw a Bi-Slob fly was when Jim Lee flew his with his back up against a water tower. The whole flight was done in a 1/4 of the circle, and Jim knows how to get the most out of a Slob.
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Its all your fault that I bought one of these ugly airplanes that I had never planned to buy. (the name probably didn’t help me)
Everyone made them look just too fun so mine is on the way!!!
I have searched and read all of the posts on these and see that the Fox 35 is standard (written and unwritten rule) but found that some have ran OS 35 and 25 engines to also include the LA. I have all of the above available that could be hung on this new plane at this time but wanted to hang onto the new Fox 35 for a Foxberg Cosmic Wind that I have. A couple of things I think I understand but am going to ask anyway in hopes that all of you can steer me along. The Fox 35 choice is due to all the hovering that everyone likes to do with these planes? I see comments that any of those other choices I listed for OS engines run too fast for this activity? Also..I see comments that they don’t glide. Is this just due to no airspeed because of all the farting around in half of the circle or less? With 60” of WS I would think it should glide if you had “any” airspeed. Anyone ever put a throttle on one and fly it like a Carrier plane?
The video that seriously sent me searching for a plane was seeing the 5 up at Brodaks event.
One more thing..I do have a old Fox 29 as well as a new Magnum .25
This has been a great thread.
Mark
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Mark,
While the BiSlob has about 600 sq in of wing area, it is very low aspect ratio, so the drag is high. This is typical of many bipes. Therefore the glide is shorter, but is is acceptable.
Joe Gilbert and others have added wing tips. This effectively increases the aspect ratio. Joe's BiSlob has a better glide.
In all cases the BiSlob should be built as light as possible, That is why I cut out the centers of all the ribs.
In the case of some one suggesting using foam wings. I say WHY???
The foam wings will be heavier and would actually take longer to build. The straight wings can be built warpless on a flat table with no jigs. I have built both BiSlob wings in about 20 minutes. I make a spacer block to go between the ribs. This locates the ribs horizontally, vertically and square to the main spar. Use thin CA glue and it goes together as fast as you can move.
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Tom,
I saw something on another forum where you use some spacer blocks and perhaps some other changes. I bought an ARC but expect to clean it up a bit and due the usual fitment mods.
I know that Video that I watched was not really a race but I think a Real Race could be a blast. Something to not get too serious about but with a reasonable effort at some passing.
So.. what are your thoughts on other engine choices.. not a question.. always a Fox .35 end of story? Never a thought of any of the K&Bs or McCoys at all?
Mark
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Tom,
I saw something on another forum where you use some spacer blocks and perhaps some other changes. I bought an ARC but expect to clean it up a bit and due the usual fitment mods.
I know that Video that I watched was not really a race but I think a Real Race could be a blast. Something to not get too serious about but with a reasonable effort at some passing.
So.. what are your thoughts on other engine choices.. not a question.. always a Fox .35 end of story? Never a thought of any of the K&Bs or McCoys at all?
Mark
HI Mark,
I cannot remember who it was, but I have seen a Bi-Slob with a McCoy .35RH. It just have to have an engine that will reliably run very rich. I don't know if the old K&B Green Heads would be able to get into that deep 4 cycle and stay there. (??) ;D
Big Bear
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My Bi-slob has a Red Head McCoy .35. Works perfectly set a little rich. Video on YouTube under "Greg's Bi-slob." You can hear the motor breaking 4-2-4 ....just what you want.
Too much power doesn't work on a 'Slob. Mine now has larger than stock wheels...super light-weight ones from some Electric ARF I trashed. Build them cheap and fast. You keep crashing them 'cause you can't help screwing around with them. Way Fun.
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Great Video. Seems to do all the same stuff and it looks like loads of Fun!
Is this a reworked Redhead with the aluminum piston that your running or the old iron piston still?
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Ty are you sticking with the recommended engine thrust angle on your scratchbuilt units? I had read on the forum here somewhere that someone had squared up the engine but left the rudder kicked and was fine.
Mark
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Here is what I pulled relating to engine choices from another thread here. It varies quite abit. I really like the idea of an old McCoy in that I have been looking for an excuse to hang one on something.
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I think Dan or Neil had a OS .35 at Brodaks.
My partner started out with a Fox 35. After several rebuilds, it ended up with an OS LA 46.
Ron Pavloer used the early Fox .25 and of course the Fox .35.
I am pretty sure that there is a federal law that states "Only Fox 35's may be used as power for a BiSlob". I sure would hate to see the FBI come looking for you.
I used an OS 25 FP, and my buddy has an LA 25 in his. Both work great. The 25's work good with 10-4 or 9-5 props.
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Mark,
Stock old RH .35, 10-5 Master Airscrew wood prop, 4 oz. Sullivan slant clunk tank, 10% with lotsa' castor oil.
Ya' have to needle/prop the motor so it's "not too slow,not too much....but just right!"
Stock Arf slob with beefier gear legs and bigger wheels. Video has stock wheels.
You have to beef up the gear legs 'cause the stock set-up allows the gear to bend up and back and will crack the lower wing spars.
Stock rudder takes a beating too, so make it stronger also. (Keep it light, of course.)
These Slobs would have blown 'em away at the school yard 50 years ago!!
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I've also been trying to think of how to top Chris Sterner's version, a Stearman takeoff that looks really cool.
Very nice of you to say Wayne. But remember, you're the one that gave me the Stearman idea. H^^
So you get some of the credit.
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At the recent Clanton, Alabama meet, three Bi-Slobs were up at the same time. Two were powered by Fox .35's and one by an OS .25 (FP?LA?). The one with the OS engine was able to climb almost straight over head, the others up to about 60 degrees. Other wise not much difference except the Fox powered ones did hang longer without climbing. I do not know how much fuel either of them held. D>K
The thing is, I wanted to run out to the center of the circle and take the handle of any one of them. Thjus I am building two, cause I can. No, I need to. LL~ LL~ LL~
That was mine with the OS 25 FP. I use a 9-5 or 10-4 prop. I point the nose up and set needle so it would just barely climb straight up. I use .012 x 58' lines and can hover and fly OH8's pretty much straight up. Sometimes I manage to get the power balanced with the windspeed and it will find equilbruim in a hover around 45°. Like flying a kite, till the tank runs out, then it's Oh $__t
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Where is the testimony from owners of all the electron-burner Bi-Slobs? Surely it would be far superior to an IC 'Slob. A mercury switch could kick it out of 4-cycle mode... LL~ Steve
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That Stearman in the original Army Air scheme is smoking!
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Where is the testimony from owners of all the electron-burner Bi-Slobs? Surely it would be far superior to an IC 'Slob. A mercury switch could kick it out of 4-cycle mode... LL~ Steve
I think it's in the 11th Commandment, "There shall be no electric Bi-Slobs". ;D
Does the 'Slob care if the leadouts are over/under or side by side?
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Here are my choices for a powerplant barring a new purchase or excluding engines in planes or set aside for a project.
McCoy 35 (with the lightning bolt case)
OS LA 25
OS Max 25 FP
Magnum 25 XL
Let me know if I should go with one of these or hunt a different engine.
Mark
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Ask David Smith about flying my Slob at the last SIG contest I attended. i think the only reason I got it back was it got to dark to see and the rain was coming in if I remember right. Every one that has flown my Slob lands with a big grin on their face. Even my brother-in-law who doesn't fly. H^^
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Here are my choices for a powerplant barring a new purchase or excluding engines in planes or set aside for a project.
McCoy 35 (with the lightning bolt case)
OS LA 25
OS Max 25 FP
Magnum 25 XL
Let me know if I should go with one of these or hunt a different engine.
Mark
Mark,
I haven't even flown a 'Slob yet, but if it has to be one of the above I'd say the FP or the Magnum. I do think a .35 or .36 would still be a better choice.
Bury the McCoy in the backyard, or make a lamp out of it.
In any case, get yourself up with a good running, reliable package so you can just go have fun. y1
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Mark,
I haven't even flown a 'Slob yet, but if it has to be one of the above I'd say the FP or the Magnum. I do think a .35 or .36 would still be a better choice.
Bury the McCoy in the backyard, or make a lamp out of it.
In any case, get yourself up with a good running, reliable package so you can just go have fun. y1
Ha Ha, Thanks! Im hoping mine will be here next week and I can get rolling on it.
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Here are a couple of Slobs I found on the net.
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Sorry about butchering up your post Ty. How are things coming along?
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Hey Greg, These SLOBS DID blow 'em away in the playground 50+ years ago! Here's a pic of me and my first SLOB in 1960 when I was AMA 11417.
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Ty; On both of my Slobs I used cloth hinges on top of the covering on the wings. One has Polyspan, and the other has Sig Koverall. I just doped the cloth hinges on top and it worked fine. I did use Tom Morris hinge material. I am sure the Klett hinges will work well also.
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Ty, 2 at a time is a great idea! Looking good. Wx looks nice outside. (39 degrees today and dropping)
John Kelly, how 'bout some more info on your Slob? 1960? Geez, we're all a bunch of geezers now....I'm AMA 14879.
Greg in Anchorage
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Hey Greg, Just got back from FMP. I flew my BI-SLOB for the 1st time in about 5 years! Bill Suarez was one of the last to fly it back then. I had to laugh when he called out a lap time of 5 and a half minutes after my flight. I do like to keep them downwind.
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Wow Ty, Those Slobs look great!
Im in Colorado and I am thinking right now a set of SKIs sounds like a good plan!
Mark
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Lookin' good! Thanks for the pics Ty. y1
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BiSlobs need more power!!
Just ask Dan Banjock. His BiSlob is powered by an OS 3000! He flew it at the Brodak Fly-In in June and it pleased the crowd every time Dan put it in the air.
I think he built it slightly oversize. About twice normal size. It still flew like a Fox 35 powered one but his arm got longer the more he flew it.
Clancy
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Ty,
What are you going to do to fuelproof the engine and fuel tank bays?
Mark
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Actually I HATE Fox .35's. Wish I'd never met one. BUT I have two and will use them on this more than appropriate airplane. If God made stunt engines, he would have made the OS series. I will us my OS .35-S in place of any Fox any day. H^^
LL~ LL~
My friend bought a bi-slop ( LL~) and after he bought it, found one at a yard sale for $20... (brodack's kit)
I saw him fly one a couple of years ago and I could not get the grin out of my face after he landed. I almost (P'd) my pants watching him fly it. He gave me the Bi to build as a gift. I've never flown one and I have an old 35 to put in it. I've never had any luck with the F35. I am with you... " I hate them". Had a ME109 in the late 70's that I built from scratch... Looked at all sort of photos and paint schemes in books ( no internet at that time) Bought a Squadron book, I don't even know if they still are around. Painted the ME109 as accurate as possible to the photos. I was very proud. The first flight on the old Oppaloka (excuse the spelling) air base parking area, it came down almost on my head on the first wing over HB~> HB~> HB~>. I have a photo somewhere that shows the plane on fire... Has anyone ever done that?
H^^
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Lookin good Ty; You are almost to the flying stage. I have found that clear dope seems to be more fuel proof than epoxy for me anyway. I have done both, and the epoxy seems to turn kind of brown, and gets kind of rubbery, where dope seems to weather the fuel just fine. Maybe I use the wrong kind of epoxy. Do put plenty of clear on the wing covering, because they really get soaked up with oil, and mine have both leaked oil into the covering. That is with Polyspan on one, and Sig Koverall on the other one.
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Credit Where Credit Is ... Ronnie! Here's a pic of the first flyers I met. If you flew at Salisbury Park, now Eisenhower Park on Long Island New York in the late fifties, into the sixties you had the pleasure of knowing these guys. I met the Meyers family in 1958 when I walked into their backyard when I heard an engine run on the way home from church one Sunday morn. Art was starting the engine on a Waco bipe as Artie held on to it and his mom, Ev watched. She saw the look on my face and asked Artie to take me down the basement and show me their planes. After seeing the planes I was hooked.they told me to go to Field 6 at the park on Sunday so I went home told my Mom and my Dad and my brother Al. The rest is History. SLOBS,BI-SLOBS,WIND FLYING,Henry Weeks flying inverted 2 feet off the ground while lying on his back.Add Jean Pailet,Bob Miller,Bob Sylvia,Gene Schaffer,Rudy,my brother Al yours truly...the youngest member,and you had the LONG ISLAND WINGMASTERS.(AKA SLOBS. We wore white pyth helmets with SLOBS painted on the back.My dad was a design engineer and bought me a little Handy Andy mechanical drafting set that I used to copy the SLOB templates with.
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...oh yea, and don't forget...
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Inboard wing is 3 inches (one bay) longer than outboard. Three center ribs and 2 (1 each) tip ribs were/are 1/8th balsa. Same l.e. and t.e. and spars. Ribs are a little longer,I'll check just how much.Sometimes the memory... I like the tips,usually put them, (always) on BI-SLOBS also.
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There were LITTLE SLOBS too
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John,
Those pictures sure bring back memories. I knew most of the "Wingmasters" Seeing Henry Week's beautiful "T-Bird" and Artie's "New Yorker" in one picture is a treat. We still have to work on the "New Yorker article.
It is a tribute to Ronnie that the "BiSlob" is among the most popular airplanes ever.
Check the Stunt Hanger message that I sent to you a few days ago.
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Other than there being two wings on a Bi-Slob, what is the difference in the two planes? Is the fuse and one wing the same size? H^^
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This beast flown by Dan at the Nats should equal about 20 Slobs!
http://youtu.be/HUaWP8UMeO0
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Hello TY,
Looked for you at Huntersville but you where not there. Fox 35 is the stock power plant for the
Bi-slob. Mine is done and I have flown it three or four times. Yes it is different from the norm.
I think it is possible to do many crazy things with these BS's once you get used to what they call the flight envelope. I would like to see yours done in NAVY colors. How about it?
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More photos, and just to jerk a chain or two, I am the BOM. No kit or ARFs here. 85% scrap bin wood.
HA, long live the builders! ;D Go CARDS!!!
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Nice job Ty H^^
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Beatiful work
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Hey Tom... Glad you liked the pic.'s While getting ready to leave FMP during BRODAK WEEK, a car pulled up and "Champione" said "I want you to meet this guy,he's Rich Osterle an old combat guy".He introduced us and Rich said he dropped by to see is anyone wanted to go to BRODAK's.He said the guy he was supposed to meet there and share a room with was going to come up in his motor home with his Lady instead.He mentioned the guy was BOB SYLVIA! I hadn't seen BOB in decades since we were in the WINGMASTERS but have thought about him many times over the years. I jumped at the opportunity , went home and told my wife and family I'd see them in a couple of days. We met up with Bob and his Lady had lunch together and got to hang out awhile. He hasn't changed a bit, a truly great guy.He remembered that particular contest ,he said because a combat ship cut loose and flew into the lobby of the building. While at BRODAKS another highlight was to get to talk with Captain SILHAVY again who I hadn't seen since I met him at Willow Grove in 1961 when he was flying his light blue NOBLER. What a Pleasure. I missed checking for messages (as usual) but I had already downloaded your pic.s,as I always do.It seems like yesterday when you called and told me about doing the bottom. When U comin' to Joisey to fly dat big airplane Mistah?
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Hi john e., I'd like to start by saying Thanks to Greg in Anchorage and Yourself (one of my fav. posters to read) for showing some interest in Ronnie's SLOB. For me it's one of those "gotta have one" planes. It "R"-evolved into, as everyone with a sence of humor knows...the BI-SLOB. The SLOB has a 50 inch wingspan, 24" inboard, 21" outboard + 2 and a half inch tips. The ribs are 8 and a half inches, the Original BI was 8 and one eighth. The tails were the same all 3 sixteenths soft balsa, stab, elev., fin, dorsal and rudder. SLOBS tail moment was an inch longer, the nose about a quarter inch longer. Flap chord is 1 and a half inch. BI was 1 and 3 sixteenths. wing is sheeted from quarter square spars forward. Flaps didn't go to end of wing.
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and some REAL...
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...G'night
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Thanks for the memories, even tho there are only a few I have met in my trips across this great country going to the NATS. A lot of history in those photos. H^^
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Hey Ty. You can taxi Frick while flying Frack with those engines. OOORRRR, you could use your Foxes, and do the Jim Walker thing flying two at a time. I like them both. Just remember they are Slobs when flying, and start with about 3 ounces of fuel on your first flight. They have a habbit of wearing you down by the end of the tank. LL~ LL~ ~^
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WOW! That was fast!!! y1
How about sticking a Dynajet between the gear legs? ;D
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Good idea Wayne; Jimmy Franklin style. Woo! Hoo! #^ #^
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Just what I was thinkin'!
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He could put a Jetex on the OK '099 powerd one. y1 y1
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They are looking better. I used to tell people that once you learn how to run a Fox you can run anything. LL~ LL~ LL~ Also nothing sounds like an old Fox or McCoy run they are run right. H^^
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Ty,
You are among the many who always have 5 or 6 airplanes under contruction at the same time. Now get those slobs in the air... You Slob!
John,
Good to see those pictures again. Seems to me that I might have sent some of them to you. #1 son Craig is a little older now, I have lost the excess pounds, but I look younger.... Ha Ha! I would not have recognized Henry Weeks.
I don't plan any trips to NJ for a while. Craig got 19" of snow over the weekend... Much too early for that.
I would love to see Bob Sylvia again. We used to all pile into his Ford Falcon to go to contests. I talked to Rich Osterle a few years ago. He was one of my best friends when we were in the Bronx. Miss seeing those guys. You all gotta come to Texas!
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I just realized that I picked up a Brodak "Slob" kit at a meet a few years ago. $5 in the shrink wrap, I couldn't let that go by. ;D
I have everything to make it a go, but this chemo is kicking my butt right now............ :'(
Big Bear
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I think Brodak may have been reading this thread.
I bought an ARC kit that arrived a week ago and have been covering it. On Saturday the UPS guy shows up and says.. HERE and hands me another Brodak box. Hmmmm So apparently due to a mistake (Or Maybe not!) I end up with a 2nd Bi-Slob ARC. I talked to Brodak on Monday and I paid for the 2nd plane.
So.. now I have "BI".... SLOBS.
Guess I better pick some colors for this 2nd one and get to work.
Mark
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Brodak is great about correcting mistakes, even if it is not theirs. I bought a kit that was supposed to bethe Original Veco Tomahawk that I flew as early teenager. Turns out the picture on the box was correct but the contents were not. I contacted Brodaks and within a couple of days a kit arrived with the original Tomahawk kit in it. I paid for the new kit and will build both in time as the new one is the one the son, JJ, won a prize with. H^^
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Ty,
How are Frick and Frack? #^ Do you have the engines hung?
Mark
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John Kelly,
Different subject, but you posted a picture with Henry Weeks. Here is Henry with his beautiful T'Bird at the 1961 (and last) Mirror Meet.
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They look too good to be Bi-Slobs. H^^ Hope they fly as well as they look.
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Well I really like the lettering. H^^
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They look Great to me Ty and most certainly from 58 feet! That will be your line length right?
Brodak is out of their tanks at the moment and the hobby stores here only have 4 oz and up so I may be building a tank for mine.
Mark
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Looks great! When ya gonna fly'em Ty?
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Don't most "Bi-Slobbers" use somewhere down around 52 foot lines? Seems to me like something shorter than normal for a .35 size plane would be best.
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I use 55 ft. lines
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Mine fly good on 60 X .015 lines. Also Fox .35 Stunt for power with no muffler. H^^
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I fly mine on 52' eye to eye. That works well with my well worn Fox 35's. When the R/C guys are out and watching, I like to have the engine really rich, and when it finally gets off the ground I turn it inverted at about 2' high. Then let it drop back towards the ground. I always get noise from the gallery as they think I am in big trouble. Lots of fun.
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I use 60 footers also. It's like flying a kite with a .35 on it.
Check out You-tube "Greg's Bi-slob."
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...and make sure you have a nice selection of carbon props handy too! ;D
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Who out here is using the recommended Brodak 4 oz tank in their Bi Slob? I just bought a pair and they dont fit.
Mark
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I am. You just need to do some creative Dremel-ling to the formers.
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I limited mine to what ever tank would fit. 4 ounces is an awful lot of fuel for a Fox .35 Stunt. I guess I don't fly it enough and get tired(lose concentration) before the tank runs out. I beleive it is about 3 ounces. H^^
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"HD Diesel mechanic" HB~> LL~ LL~ LL~
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Well the ones I bought are the part numbers that are listed on the Brodak site for the Bi-Slob. I didnt want to reinvent the wheel. Sullivan and Dubro clunk tanks go from 2oz to 4oz and skip that nice 3 ounce size that I would prefer. Hence going this route to the Brodak recommended tank. The other thought was the way everyone flies these things and fuel delivery. I wanted something that I wouldnt fight starvation issues. At this point I'll check out all the old tanks I have and see what fits but I may end up just building one. The Brodak tank just has standard venting and isnt anything fancy like a Uniflow tank.
Mark
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Awesome. y1 ;D
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Hey, I've done reverse wing overs into the wind with a slob. Not no gale storm, I think about 10 MPH. H^^
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OK, but the three I saw flying at the same time were on longer lines. But I'll experiment until I get a 30 second lap. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~Wait, just hover, that'll do it. H^^ y1 #^
I was using .012 x 58' lines on my Slob at Clanton. FP-25 with Sullivan S-4 tank.
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Ty, it sounds like you are hooked or slobbed whatever the case. LL~ LL~
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Are Bi-Slobs a pretty lengthy build? What characteristic makes them able to hover and turn such sharp corners when a common sport or PA plane won't even come close?
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Are Bi-Slobs a pretty lengthy build? What characteristic makes them able to hover and turn such sharp corners when a common sport or PA plane won't even come close?
10-12° engine offset & lots of elevator deflection.
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Remember the days when I built a Sterling Gaurdian in one six day stretch. Combat planes in less than three days because it took time for the Ambroid Glue and Testors dope to dry. Now it takes me two weeks to complete and old time combat ship. Pictures of it later. H^^