Author Topic: Three new Brodak Kits (Read 5079 times)

Sam Laughery · « **on:** December 06, 2006, 08:03:29 PM »

John has finished the prototypes for the original Mustang, YAK9 and the All American Sr. I just finished up the pattern sheets today. We should be able to start cutting parts within the next month or so. No guarantees but any suggestions on which of those we should do first? Still some work to be done but they should be available in the early spring.

Sam

Tom Dugan · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2006, 08:48:52 PM »

Sam,

Is the Mustang a built fuselage or profile. If it's a built up fuse I would go for it first, otherwise, the
All American.

Thomas

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:28:39 AM »

Nope it's the profile.

bob lindsay · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:36:40 AM »

I would like to also see the All AMERICAN first.

Bob Lindsay

Bob Zambelli · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:39:11 AM »

MUSTANG!!!

MUSTANG!!!

MUSTANG!!!

Bob Z.

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:50:12 AM »

That's three votes for the Mustang and two for the All AMerican.

Joe Messinger · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:00:45 AM »

Hey Sam,

Since I don't know anything about the All American Sr. and already have a YAK, I'm voting for the Mustang! What are the specs on the new Mustang kit? Engine size, wing span, etc? ARF, ARC in the works?

Thanks,

Joe

Alan Hahn · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:21:24 AM »

I saw the ads in the latest Flying Models. are we to assume that the Mustang and Yak are "redo's" of the old Sterling Kits?

catdaddy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:58:22 AM »

Mustang please!

Mustang please!

Mustang please!

Bob Zambelli · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:01:05 PM »

Alan - safe assumption.

I was at John's during part of the build and the kits appear to be real winners.

From what I can see, they are very close to the Sterling versions but, best to get the EXACT word from John.

Bob Z.

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:02:04 PM »

I would say just the way you listed it: Mustang, then the YAK9 and the All American Sr.

Just my vote.

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:54:17 PM »

I say the 'stang! I remember it being a bad boy when built with flaps!

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #12 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:11:57 PM »

I'll get the specs on all three tomorrow and post them then. I did the plans for the mustang and except for the built up leading and trailing edge it is exactly like the original. I used an original kit to get all the measurements. The Yak and All American Sr came from Walt Umland I'll try and get some pics as well.

Sam

Ken Nash · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:13:47 PM »

What we the number one plane in WW !! in Germany? The Mustang. That should be the first one by far.

Ken Nash

EddyR · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2006, 02:51:46 PM »

Mustang I will take the first one.
Ed Ruane

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #15 on:** December 08, 2006, 12:42:59 PM »

Here are the specs fot the three planes. I haope they are readable.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #16 on:** December 08, 2006, 01:49:22 PM »

My vote is for the Mustang.
While understanding that it's basically the old Sterling design, how about a last minute update/upgrade to wing mounted gear though? Pretty please?

B.T.W., When is the Corsair coming?

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #17 on:** December 08, 2006, 02:07:19 PM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on December 08, 2006, 01:49:22 PM

My vote is for the Mustang.
While understanding that it's basically the old Sterling design, how about a last minute update/upgrade to wing mounted gear though? Pretty please?

B.T.W., When is the Corsair coming?

Well,speaking of when its coming,Welcome home Wayne! Things better for you again?
Good to see ya here, and hows that design for WU coming along?
Richard

peabody · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2006, 03:20:06 PM »

I sure hope that the AA Sr. is true to Dmeco plans....it's OTS legal and a good flyer...
Keep us posted.
Thanks

Chuck Feldman · « **Reply #19 on:** December 08, 2006, 03:39:06 PM »

Does the Yak have a wing mounted gear?

Chuck Feldman

Joe Gilbert · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2006, 05:33:38 AM »

Speaking of Matt Kania is he in the AMA hall of fame and how many planes did he design. And think of how many planes of his were built.

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2006, 10:01:47 AM »

Neither the Mustang nor the Yak have wing mounted gear. They are true to the original design. I don't think they would be old time legal if a change like that were made. The Corsair is a long way off. The prototype kit hasn't even been cut yet. It's amazing how much work goes into taking a design from a set of plans to a kit. (That might make a good article for CLW.)

steve pagano · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2006, 11:02:58 AM »

The Corsair kit is it a profile cuz i would love to see brodak with some full fusealge war birds!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill Little · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2006, 11:31:30 AM »

Quote from: Sam Laughery on December 09, 2006, 10:01:47 AM

Neither the Mustang nor the Yak have wing mounted gear. They are true to the original design. I don't think they would be old time legal if a change like that were made. The Corsair is a long way off. The prototype kit hasn't even been cut yet. It's amazing how much work goes into taking a design from a set of plans to a kit. (That might make a good article for CLW.)

Hi Sam,

You are correct.

Changing them to wing gear would mess up their "legality" for OTS.

The "article" would be a good idea for CLW!

Thanks for what you are doing.
Bill <><

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:27:12 PM »

Hey Steve,

How about a full fuselage Spitfire, Bearcat and Corsair

Pat Johnson designed all three to be profile but John recently asked Pat to convert Them to full fuselage. Pat sent the plans for the Spitfire a couple of weeks ago and it looks fantastic. Keep in mind it takes many months to go from plans to kit so probably a little early to call in an order.

steve pagano · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:37:38 PM »

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! i cant wait

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:40:35 PM »

lets see now, when I get my built up bf 109 built we could dogfight! a 109, a spitfire, maybe a p-40, heck throw in the mustang,
Hey wait, I would be outnumbered, maybe someone has a fw 190 out there to help me out

Dennis Moritz · « **Reply #27 on:** December 09, 2006, 03:42:17 PM »

Saw a lot of Sterling Mustangs when I was a kid. But I preferred the Yak. Maybe it's the big red stars. Do you get big red stars?

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #28 on:** December 09, 2006, 04:21:53 PM »

You even get the 'big red stars' They all come with the appropriate decals.

Concerning the mustang, John already has a mustang kit with the LG in the wings. Here is a pic of one I built a couple of years ago.

Bill Little · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2006, 09:31:58 PM »

Quote from: Sam Laughery on December 09, 2006, 04:21:53 PM

You even get the 'big red stars' They all come with the appropriate decals.

Concerning the mustang, John already has a mustang kit with the LG in the wings. Here is a pic of one I built a couple of years ago.

Hi Sam,

The Profile P-51B Wardbird is a real nice flying plane. I never got to fly Mike's original, but my son has. It still has the "Original" Brodak 40 (the K&B ABC one) in it.

Even though it is a "B" model, a "D" with the bubble canopy is a simple conversion. Since the first Warbirds used a modified '57 Nobler wing, they have all flown great that I have seen.

Bill <><

Garf · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2006, 10:01:32 AM »

The only real fault I found with the Sterling Mustang and Yak 9 was the weight.

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2006, 05:42:01 PM »

I think with the built up leading and trailing edges you'll find it quite a bit lighter. I think John said the Yak was only 19 Oz. I'll double check that and get back to you.

Bill,

I'll have to chedk the plans on the nobler and current mustang. The wing on the mustang seems thinner. It's a nice flying plane but not nearly as good as my Nobler.

Sam

Bill Little · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2006, 10:58:33 PM »

Quote from: Sam Laughery on December 11, 2006, 05:42:01 PM

I think with the built up leading and trailing edges you'll find it quite a bit lighter. I think John said the Yak was only 19 Oz. I'll double check that and get back to you.

Bill,

I'll have to chedk the plans on the nobler and current mustang. The wing on the mustang seems thinner. It's a nice flying plane but not nearly as good as my Nobler.

Sam

Hi Sam,

Yes, it is "thinner". Others from the area can correct me, but I remember Mike telling me that he basically used the #2 Rib and out to the tip to cut down the Nobler wing to 48" WS. This was when he gave me the pencil drawings for the "Prototype" Zero in his garage. That would validate the wing being slightly thinner. Same airfol but reduced in size.

As to it not flying as well as the your Nobler, I wouldn't argue with that! A full fuselage stunter, especially an actual Nobler, would almost certainly fly better than a modified profile of the same basic design. If not, we would all be flying Profiles in PAMPA competition!

BTW: The '57 "Green Box" Top Flite kit has a slightly different airfoil than the Brodak Nobler.

Bill <><

mark eisenhut · « **Reply #33 on:** December 12, 2006, 06:43:00 AM »

why dose a built up fuse fly better than a profile? isn't a built up fuse heaver i know they sure are alot nicer looking i know this might seem like a stupid question but i never thought of them flying any better.
thank you
mark eisenhut

Bill Little · « **Reply #34 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:00:11 AM »

Hi Mark,

My built up planes are easier to build lighter than the same "size" profiles. Instead of a 1/2" plank of wood, we end up with 1/8th or 3/32nd sides and top/bottom blocks. More "air", and air is lighter than 4 lb. balsa!

Plus, properly built, the Built up can give a mcuh better engine run usually. More technology has helped profiles, but the built up is the better flyer overall.

Bill <><

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #35 on:** December 12, 2006, 09:17:22 PM »

I read that Brodak was going to kit the Larry Scarinzi "Blue Angel", with which he placed 4th at the '64 NATS. I'd love to have one, but I have a deep dark secret...I'd really prefer the Barry Simmons (1st Senior) version, because it had a wing mounted main gear. Any news, I'm all ears/eyes, but if it's not too late, it would be wonderful to make the wing mounted gear an option, including as many pictures as can be gathered. I think Dawn Cosmillo also flew the design, with a .35.

Steve

PS: I'm looking for a copy of the Feb/Mar '65 Flying Models with the original article. Jerry Worth with his P-26 Scale NATS winner is on the cover. If you have an extra copy, I'd like to buy it!

steve pagano · « **Reply #36 on:** December 12, 2006, 10:01:05 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on December 12, 2006, 09:17:22 PM

I read that Brodak was going to kit the Larry Scarinzi "Blue Angel", with which he placed 4th at the '64 NATS. I'd love to have one, but I have a deep dark secret...I'd really prefer the Barry Simmons (1st Senior) version, because it had a wing mounted main gear. Any news, I'm all ears/eyes, but if it's not too late, it would be wonderful to make the wing mounted gear an option, including as many pictures as can be gathered. I think Dawn Cosmillo also flew the design, with a .35. Steve

PS: I'm looking for a copy of the Feb/Mar '65 Flying Models with the original article. Jerry Worth with his P-26 Scale NATS winner is on the cover. If you have an extra copy, I'd like to buy it!

could some body post some pic of this ''blue angel'' once i hear blue angel i go crazzy

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #37 on:** December 12, 2006, 10:22:32 PM »

1) Randy Cuberly's Blue Angel with LA .46 power at VSC, Elwyn pic.

2) The white/grey one on the left is Barry Simmons' model. Duke Fox is on the far right. Somebody posted this pic on SSW, and I snagged it. I'd like to see other views of Barry's model. The cowl is different. Would like to know what the power of his was.

3) Found this pic of Dawn Cosmillo with her version. More pics and info would be very welcome. I love Classics with trike gears, it seems. And the Tucker!

Steve

Author Topic: Three new Brodak Kits (Read 5079 times)

Alan Hahn