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Title: This year's model
Post by: SteveMoon on June 15, 2014, 09:37:36 AM
I finally finished to finish my latest stunter this past week. For this year
I have built another Furias. Once again it is a sidewinder, thus the name
Furias 96S. This one is powered by a Discovery Retro 76 turning a 14.2 x 6
wood prop. I lengthened the nose moment 1/4", the tail moment 1/2" and
also added 1" of length to the rudder. Weight came in at 67 oz. About 3
oz more than I was hoping, but then the motor is 2 oz heavier than last
year's motor and the plane is slightly bigger.

Have only been able to conduct a couple of test flights, basically just
level flight and a few loops. Of course, as always at this time of year the
winds are blasting here in Big D.

Later, Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Monty Summach on June 15, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
That is a very nice looking machine.
Regards,
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Derek Barry on June 15, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
AWESOME!!!!!! The ghost checkers look killer!

Now tell your brother to hurry up.

Derek
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: John Leidle on June 15, 2014, 10:20:22 AM
  Beautiful plane ,, John L.
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Dave_Trible on June 15, 2014, 10:25:58 AM
Looks cool Steve!  I liked the old one a lot too.

Dave
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: wwwarbird on June 15, 2014, 10:40:43 AM

 Looks great! I like the simple, clean looking paint scheme. y1
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 15, 2014, 11:32:23 AM
I finally finished to finish my latest stunter this past week. For this year
I have built another Furias. Once again it is a sidewinder, thus the name
Furias 96S. This one is powered by a Discovery Retro 76 turning a 14.2 x 6
wood prop. I lengthened the nose moment 1/4", the tail moment 1/2" and
also added 1" of length to the rudder. Weight came in at 67 oz. About 3
oz more than I was hoping, but then the motor is 2 oz heavier than last
year's motor and the plane is slightly bigger.

Have only been able to conduct a couple of test flights, basically just
level flight and a few loops. Of course, as always at this time of year the
winds are blasting here in Big D.

Later, Steve

A Really interesting airplane Steve.  Not just another Cookie Cutter Stunter!  Unique!
Wind???With a 14.2 inch prop and that kind of power wind shouldn't be that much of a problem providing you've kept your arms in shape to hold on to the thing...will likely pull like a freight train down wind.
I had a Trivial Pursuit that was 74 oz and it flew very well but was very hard to hold in the big wind without taking a couple of steps forward with it.  At any rate, I'm just being cowardly these days  (Old and frail I guess)...Best of luck with this airplane it definitely looks like it will perform well.  I've always admired the fact that you do things a little differently and still do them very well!

Randy Cuberly

Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 15, 2014, 12:44:33 PM
That is wicked sharp Steve! I'm digging the asymmetry for some reason, and I especially dig the nonessential chin scoop! That's what I call commitment!
Ghost checkers rock too... Lot's of interesting build and design features to keep the eye busy without needing 18 silly colors. I like!
Eric
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Tim Wescott on June 15, 2014, 01:02:31 PM
Very nice.  The painted prop is a nice touch.

If you showed a picture with the cowl off, would we be able to see how you tied the motor mounts into the fuselage structure?  I'd be interested in seeing how you make a light and strong joint, there.
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Lauri Malila on June 15, 2014, 01:35:11 PM
Hi.

That engine is not happy with original 6" pitch. You'd better go down to 5...5 1/4", measured at slot#10 of Prather gauge.
Only tweak from root.

Lauri
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Jason Greer on June 15, 2014, 01:38:15 PM
Beautiful as always Steve!
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Richard Logston on June 15, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
Very nice!!! Richard
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: RC Storick on June 15, 2014, 04:52:27 PM
Looks good Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Steve Fitton on June 15, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
Sweet!  Looks awesome Steve!
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: wwwarbird on June 15, 2014, 08:32:54 PM
If you showed a picture with the cowl off, would we be able to see how you tied the motor mounts into the fuselage structure?  I'd be interested in seeing how you make a light and strong joint, there.

 I'd also be really interested in seeing how the nose structure is designed. I'm curious about how the engine is mounted as well as the fuel tank and it's position relative to the engine. Also, what type of fuel tank was used? D>K
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: SteveMoon on June 15, 2014, 08:58:40 PM
Here's a pic of the motor crutch before it was in the fuse. It epoxied to
the fuse sides; which do contain 1/32 ply doublers. I then epoxied in
balsa fillers between the maple motor mounts and the fuse sides. The tank
is a 4 oz. Sullivan plastic tank. It's plumbed the same way I plumb all
my tanks; 2S, 4S, pipe, non-pipe, profile, etc, doesn't matter they are
all done the same way and they always work. Doug and I learned this
method from Bob G almost 20 years ago, and he had learned it from Tom
Farmer.

Thanks for the nice compliments everyone, I hope it lives up to the hype.

Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: wwwarbird on June 15, 2014, 09:13:20 PM
 Thanks Steve, got anything that shows how/where the tank sits when installed?
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Doug Burright on June 15, 2014, 11:57:37 PM
Cool! Good job!

Seeing a nice ship like yours, makes me want to get a jump on the building season! I have plans for planes that I'm not ready for, but know they would fly well, and perhaps help me advance my flying ability. I need more stick-time with what I have, now.

Again... Cool, great job!
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: John Stiles on June 16, 2014, 06:18:27 AM
I love cheek cowls, I converted a R/C P-51 with a foam core wing[to C/L] back in the 80s and put a lot of work in the finish(jet black). It was my all time best build/paint job. Your model takes me back in time! Very nice! Thanks for posting. H^^
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Matt Colan on June 16, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
Looks awesome Steve!!!!!

Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Paul Walker on June 16, 2014, 08:22:10 PM
Get your brother to help you on your pattern.  It's YOUR turn to win.
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Doug Moon on June 16, 2014, 08:39:10 PM
Get your brother to help you on your pattern.  It's YOUR turn to win.

Nah, he is to busy helping me with mine.    :)
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: PJ Rowland on June 16, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Paul - Stop getting help yourself ! its time for someone else to WIN :)

Steve - Looks great - I also love the Ghost Checker.

Doug - You don't need any more help !
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: SteveMoon on June 17, 2014, 02:58:29 PM
None of us are getting any help on any patterns down here in TX.
It's so blasting windy every minute of every day. Whitecaps on
White Rock Lake last night at 8:00 pm during my bike ride. Ridiculous!

Later, Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Randy Powell on June 17, 2014, 03:07:15 PM
Very clean looking. Hope it does well for you.
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: proparc on June 17, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
Steve, I saw your motor run at Dallas a while back. Sounded super tight. Where do you get the Discovery's and what fuel do you use? You also stated, that you use the same tank for 2 and 4 stroke motors-could you elaborate?
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 17, 2014, 05:10:21 PM
If he's running a 4 oz tank on that big engine I suspect it's no-nitro fuel.  My Belko 60 used less than 3 1/4 oz for the pattern...No nitro!

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: SteveMoon on June 17, 2014, 07:05:27 PM
The Discovery motors are from the Yatsenko brothers in Ukraine. Makers
of the Shark. The motors run on FAI fuel. I plumb all my tanks the same way.
Vent to the top as normal, pressure line goes about an inch or so into the
tank makes a u-turn and comes right back to the front in the center of the
tank. Tank is mounted so that the pressure tube is on the inboard side of the
plane. Doug and I learned this method from Bob G almost 20 years ago, and
Bob learned it from Tom Farmer; the designer of the Forerunner.

Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Curare on June 17, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
Steve, at the rist of boring every one to death, do you tune the motor differently on the ground? I take it goes rich once airborne?

Is this setup still affected by tank height?
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: MarcusCordeiro on June 17, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
Wicked!!!!!

Marcus
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: bill bischoff on June 20, 2014, 07:37:57 PM
Are the air inlets in the chin to cool the batteries and ESC when you convert it to electric?
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: SteveMoon on June 20, 2014, 10:30:42 PM
Bill: Ha ha, the chin scoop is there because it looks cool.

Greg: Yes, the motor does richer up some after takeoff. I set the motor
on the ground where it is almost running in a full two-stroke. And, yes
the setup is still affected by tank height.

Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Curare on June 20, 2014, 11:00:14 PM
Thanks steve! I'm game to go and try it when I get the chance.

Once again, that cowl is TOUGH!
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Ron Hess Sr on June 21, 2014, 09:57:44 AM
sweet plane  H^^ cant wait to see it at the Nats. how about some pics of this tank and the way you set them up I would like to learn this myself..txs Steve  safe flying 8)
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Bill Little on June 21, 2014, 02:02:51 PM
Looks great, Steve!  Lots of nice touches.  I hope you can work into it before the NATS.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Paul Walker on June 21, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
Has Doug been out giving you coaching tips yet?
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: SteveMoon on June 29, 2014, 03:47:31 PM
Not yet. It was much too breezy in Dallas for the week after I finished the plane.
Now I'm back to work flying all over the world. Don't get home 'til July 6th.
I'll have to try and get in a few flights then.

Steve
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Derek Barry on June 29, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
You don't need and stinkin practice. My best placing ever was with my first Evolution. It had one flight when we showed up in Muncie.

Derek
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Randy Ryan on July 02, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
As a lover of sexy cowls, oooo man, you dun it!!!!!  Beautiful ship.
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Dave_Trible on July 03, 2014, 02:55:34 PM
You don't need and stinkin practice. My best placing ever was with my first Evolution. It had one flight when we showed up in Muncie.

Derek
I agree,  you don't need no stinking practice.  Nobody should waste there time with that and I hope they don't .  Well I have to get off here-  going to prac...er...have pressing business.
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Norm Faith Jr. on July 03, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
AWESOME!!!!!! The ghost checkers look killer!

Now tell your brother to hurry up.

Derek

I thought the same thing Derek...realized it was a reflection from the vertical fin and rudder (I think)...Gorgeous ship Steve...Good Luck at the NATS.
Norm 
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: Norm Faith Jr. on July 03, 2014, 09:13:07 PM
I thought the same thing Derek...realized it was a reflection from the vertical fin and rudder (I think)...Gorgeous ship Steve...Good Luck at the NATS.
Norm 

"Well slap my mama." Went back and read some more of the comments...the "ghost checkers" must be real.  ;D
Title: Re: This year's model
Post by: john e. holliday on July 04, 2014, 07:58:55 AM
I had to go back too to see the checkers.   You guys are artists in disguise.