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Offline Randy Powell

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The Weather
« on: December 27, 2007, 04:25:32 PM »
I know we seem to complain about the weather a lot, but lately it seems that the country is getting plenty to complain about. right now I'm looking out the window at heavy, thick snow. Now, we are used to rain and certainly have built roads and drainage to deal with it. But snow is always something of a problem. There generally isn't enough to justify the county investing in any real snow removal equipment. So when we occasionally get serious snow, the county has to beg, borrow and, uh, liberate snow plows and sand trucks. As I came home from work (early because of the weather), I passed a snowplow coming down the hill as I drove up it. It had a Snohomish County sticker on the door. Heck, I was amazed to just see a plow. Usually has to get to a foot before the county decides it's time to shell out some money.

So, right now there's about 3" on the ground with the prediction of continued snow all night and all tomorrow and possibly all day Saturday. Could get interesting.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 04:28:33 PM »
I know we seem to complain about the weather a lot, but lately it seems that the country is getting plenty to complain about. right now I'm looking out the window at heavy, thick snow. Now, we are used to rain and certainly have built roads and drainage to deal with it. But snow is always something of a problem. There generally isn't enough to justify the county investing in any real snow removal equipment. So when we occasionally get serious snow, the county has to beg, borrow and, uh, liberate snow plows and sand trucks. As I came home from work (early because of the weather), I passed a snowplow coming down the hill as I drove up it. It had a Snohomish County sticker on the door. Heck, I was amazed to just see a plow. Usually has to get to a foot before the county decides it's time to shell out some money.

So, right now there's about 3" on the ground with the prediction of continued snow all night and all tomorrow and possibly all day Saturday. Could get interesting.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 05:30:56 PM »
Wow, bummer Randy.....Time to get the paper and pencil out and start designing the next ship   ???
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 07:30:51 PM »
It was slushing tonight on my way N. from Auburn to Rentoon. Visibility was a problem, but we all know where the roads go, so there's no reason to slow down.  I hope it doesn't get so bad that the wifey and son can't go to work. Today was payday, so I don't need to go in.  LL~  I'll let you know if it gets serious.  y1 Steve
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 08:06:28 PM »
I know what you mean Randy, today here in Lake Wales, FL, I went out fly and the damn wind was up to 5mph and the 82 degree temp made it kind of uncomfortable flying in bluejeans and a golf shirt.  But I know it'll get better tomorrow. 8)

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 08:59:54 PM »
Well, Donnie, it's still snowing here. But not much accumulation (about 4 inches and melting). Forecast has changed (again) to rain after midnight. Should make for some riproaring runoff. I know this place is hard to forecast weather in, but it would be nice if the weatherliars would at least get close once in awhile.

Steve,

One of the drawbacks of living over here is, we are often just high enough to get snow when everyone else has slushy rain. We're a big 550 feet. Wow!
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2007, 04:05:55 PM »
The temperatures in Gloucestershire, UK, have been hovering a little over 32 degrees F over the Christmas period.

I went flying on Boxing day taking an Akromaster and a Super Clown up onto the local 'common' at Minchinhampton, just outside Stroud, Gloucestershire. You certainly have to be determined to fly in these temperatures particularly when a fuel spillage over a bare hand causes the cold to go straight through to the bone in an instant.   :o

Today, the winds have increased to blustery showers, occasionally sheets of rain. I look out of the window and see the tops of trees thrashing away at each other and wonder whether there are places in the world that are more clement and condusive to flying throughout the year. I am certain there are.

I dream of consistent 82 degrees, low winds, flying in bluejeans and a golf shirt (thanks Phil). But then, it is the contrasts in our weather that help us appreciate the good weather when it comes.

I have a new Twister on the board and look forward to posting news of it's prowess on completion.

For those in the northern hemisphere, good times are on the way guys.

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2007, 04:25:31 PM »
I know what you mean Randy, today here in Lake Wales, FL, I went out fly and the damn wind was up to 5mph and the 82 degree temp made it kind of uncomfortable flying in bluejeans and a golf shirt.  But I know it'll get better tomorrow. 8)

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2007, 04:38:24 PM »
The report from Tucson, Sunday December 30, 2007:

Wind has not been over 3 or 4 mph all day.  Away from the sun.  No clouds and the sun is really bright.  By noon, it was in the 70's.  Wished I had a short sleeve shirt on. The new third paved circle still does not have stripes painted on.  Had two grass circles and the two old paved circles in operation until about 1:00 PM when most some took a break for the In & OUt Burger.  Still had people on the field after 3:00pm.  We are trying to keep the weather a secret to keep all of those California people from moving here.

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2007, 06:34:58 PM »
Col.,

Go to ****.  You, too, Garf. 

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 07:09:41 PM »
Not horrible here in Oklahoma. High 40's Saturday and into the 50's today. Not bad for the end of December. A few of us made it out and got in a few flights.

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 07:23:58 PM »
Maurice,

Keith is right. Tucson is heaven. Well, about 8 months of the year. From June through September it can be, stimulating to be out and about during the day. In a "I'm melting, melting, melting ..." sort of way. But October to May, it can't be beat.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2008, 12:03:43 AM »
How about today, tho, Randy? They couldn't have had a bluer sky in Tucson, tho it might have been a tad warmer than the 45F or so we saw! No snow, no rain! We're expecting a huge turnout at River View flying field tomorrow afternoon. The weather guessers are guessing the same, anyway. Of course, we know from experience not to trust them. Right?  LL~ Steve
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2008, 04:11:45 AM »
Randy,
I suggest that you contact Al Gore, so that can make it warmer.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2008, 07:37:15 AM »
I was in the mountains here in NC a few days ago and there was no snow even above 5,000 ft. It was about 60 degrees that day. They were making snow at some of the slopes and it looked like a fog bank rolling down the mountain side. Cooler today at 45 degrees now and going to about 55. High tomarrow 38 degrees. I live 10 miles east of Charlotte. Bill Little is 70 miles east and gets a little bit warmer weather. Good bike riding weather.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2008, 08:06:56 AM »
Well here in good ole Moline Il it's 16 degrees F. above with 20-30 mph winds predicted. To those in Az and Fla, what Howard said. No flying at Mt Joy today.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2008, 09:18:50 AM »
Well just spent the last 2+ hrs digging out of "flurries expected"  The snow was higher than my snow thrower, so I needed two passes - kinda like shaping with 60 grit then smoothing with 150 grit.  The bad news:

* The snow plow has NOT been by yet  :'(
* We're supposed to get MORE than last night starting this afternoon through morning  :'(  :'(
* While I was out there the sun came out - yup I got sunburned!  b1

Hey Keith, from that boring weather report you gave you sounded like you missed the midwest in January...?  LL~


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Re: The Weather
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2008, 09:45:46 AM »
Randy,
I suggest that you contact Al Gore, so that can make it warmer.

Yep, having cold weather and snow somewhere is definitely proof that global warming is
a farce, isn't it? ;->

Weather here is DRY, and not very cold. About 45 F right now, clear and beautiful. Next
spring and summer there will be some payback from Mother Nature, the old bitty. (How
do you like THOSE winds, and tornadoes in Texas? Here, take a few weeks over 100 F
in Dallas! No more rain ((nor drinking water)) for you in Atlanta! So, let's break off another
ice sheet the size of New Jersey in Greenland! Ah hah heh hah! Ah had heh hah!) I can
hear her cackling right now.

Happy New Year, Tom! Smile.

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2008, 10:10:00 AM »
The report from Tucson, Sunday December 30, 2007:

Wind has not been over 3 or 4 mph all day.  Away from the sun.  No clouds and the sun is really bright.  By noon, it was in the 70's.  Wished I had a short sleeve shirt on. The new third paved circle still does not have stripes painted on.  Had two grass circles and the two old paved circles in operation until about 1:00 PM when most some took a break for the In & OUt Burger.  Still had people on the field after 3:00pm.  We are trying to keep the weather a secret to keep all of those California people from moving here.

Keith

Kieth, my friend. That was about the meanest post I've ever seen. Here in the frozen Rockies, I'd almost do anything, shuckies, I might even vote for Hillary, if that would get an In & Out in my town. New circles sunny weather, light breezes I can learn to live without,. I will be willing to accept your apology for this affront with lunch at the SW Regionals. S?P n~ H^^
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2008, 11:35:29 AM »
Comment to Dennis Adamisin:

You talk about the weather there in the midwest.  I grew up in Kansas.  Lousy winters and nothing but wind in the Summer.  I do not miss it.  Spent 5 years in Dayton.  There was some nice weather sometimes in the spring and the fall.  I do not miss that place either.  However, there was one good thing about Dayton. I got to know some of the Adamisins fairly well.

Comment to John Miller:

You are on for lunch sometime during VSC.  Sounds like you might be interested in the In & Out Burger place. so let's do that.  Also, we have our open house for anyone and all on that Friday afternoon/evening, March 14. 

Also, will try to give an apology for what I wrote about our Tucson weather.  The weather here has been kind of stagnant for the past several days.  There was a breeze, maybe up to 10 mph, several of days ago, it has been in the 30's at night, and reaches the cool 70's during the day.  There has been activity on our circles almost everyday since before Christmas.

Keith

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2008, 04:49:35 PM »
I take it that it's before tea time in Tucson.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2008, 10:10:30 PM »
Tea Time or Tee Time?  n~ Steve
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2008, 10:53:52 PM »
On my "things to do list" was to fly on New Years day. Woke up to clear blue skies, 50 degrees and winds gusting to 30 knots.  :'(
SOOOoooo! I cleaned the shop, cleaned up after the dogs, fed my birds, looked at my planes, put a butt roast on the rotisserie, looked at my planes, checked the butt roast, looked at my planes and the wind blew and blew and...
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2008, 12:36:32 AM »
Sunday,I decided to go to the hobby shop on Interstate so took my bike to 82 and put it on the bus. we got 3 blocks down 82 and it started to hail or as we say in Montana sleet. When we got to Alberta the sun started to come out. I decided to take the Max from there to hobby shop because of all the sleet. It all started to melt so rode bike there and then back to Bus stop. This takes me about 2 block from home. It rained on the way back but I didn't have one drop fall upon me. I called that my lucky day. I got glue so worked on my plane all day yesterday and today. Randy we also had strong winds today. Yesterday just plain cold. It's Shop time in the northwest. Z@@ZZZ Z@@ZZZ HB~>

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2008, 09:48:55 AM »
Col.,

Go to ****.  You, too, Garf. 

H. Rush,
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We just had a major cold front go thru. They expect 47* late tonight. The wind is the problem. In 2 days, the temps will be back in the 80's and the winds will be back to normal. Eat your heart out Howard.

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2008, 12:12:02 PM »
Garf,

Uh, Bite me.  H^^

Steve,

Yea, it was clear, but most of my property is under water and I can't even drive to my normal flying field due to water issues. But hey, it was clear for a minute.

Keith,

You're just mean. :)

Weather the last couple of days has been the more normal rain followed by showers followed by drizzle followed by rain. Not much wind anyway, but the humidity is pretty high. High temp today will be 42F. Oh joy.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2008, 02:02:40 PM »
Well, you guys can suck it up. Here in the Great salt Lake Basin, It was 10 degrees last night, but the skies were clear. Right now, it's below freezing, with the sun shinning through high broken clouds.

Actually I'm fond of saying that "the sun is so bright today, that the ducks fly upside down to keep it out of their eyes."

I have been using my time driving up to Gordan's and building a new ship, rather than outside using up "Airion" by flying my other planes.

Do you know what Airions are?

These are sub atomic particles that exist in model, and full sized airplanes. Every time you fly, a few are scrubbed off. when enough are lost, the aircraft loses it's ability to remain aloft, and it crashes.

It's important to conserve those "Airions".

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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2008, 02:25:13 PM »

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Do you know what Airions are?

These are sub atomic particles that exist in model, and full sized airplanes. Every time you fly, a few are scrubbed off. when enough are lost, the aircraft loses it's ability to remain aloft, and it crashes.

It's important to conserve those "Airions".

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John,

Now I know why there is truth to the statement that "Each flight of an airplane is one flight closer to its last."

Or the axiom of this:  "Each flight of an airplane could be its last."

I wonder where those Airions are stored.  Maybe they are in the ether held in some inter or intradimensional or multi-dimensional parallel universe inside the core of each airplane.  Makes sense to me.  But I do not understand some of the polarity problems that might be associated with this kind of reality.

Thanks for the valuable lesson.  Now, I really owe you a treat at the In & Out.

(Edit to illustrate enhanced personal insight - Thanks again John!)

Keith
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2008, 02:52:48 PM »
John and Keith,

Hmm, maybe that's why some planes meet an early demise. Lack of sufficient Airions. Could be that if you don't do the construction rituals correctly or bypass or modify the critical phases, they don't get properly mixed and stored. The result is an early demise. Deceleration trauma.

Darned!! That's what happened to my Simons' Shoestring. Thanks for the insight, John.
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2008, 05:38:21 PM »
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I know what you mean Randy, today here in Lake Wales, FL, I went out fly and the damn wind was up to 5mph and the 82 degree temp made it kind of uncomfortable flying in bluejeans and a golf shirt.  But I know it'll get better tomorrow.

Phil

Maybe I shudda kept my mouth shut Randy,  tonight the wind is 22mph and the temp is 30 here in sunny Florida. :(

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2008, 09:01:26 PM »
Phil,

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Re: The Weather
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2008, 10:48:27 PM »
Tea Time or Tee Time?  n~ Steve

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Re: Weather and Parallel Universes
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2008, 12:34:10 AM »
John,

Now I know why there is truth to the statement that "Each flight of an airplane is one flight closer to its last."

Or the axiom of this:  "Each flight of an airplane could be its last."

I wonder where those Airions are stored.  Maybe they are in the ether held in some inter or intradimensional or multi-dimensional parallel universe inside the core of each airplane.  Makes sense to me.  But I do not understand some of the polarity problems that might be associated with this kind of reality.

Thanks for the valuable lesson.  Now, I really owe you a treat at the In & Out.

(Edit to illustrate enhanced personal insight - Thanks again John!)

Keith

Kieth, I am in awe of your almost instantaneous grasp of this conceptual theory relating to the existence and effect of " Airions".

Old time pilots had an idea of something going on, but since the discovery and descriptions of the functions of "Airions" has only recently surfaced. We are still finding out more about these elusive, but apparently important, particles.

You may indeed have posited   a new direction of study, with your question of parallel universe as either a source, or more likely a repository for these elusive Arions. It begs further study.

My understanding was that all matter contains some Airions, but in varying amounts. Lead actually has them, but the volume per cubic meter is 10 to the minus 3rd power, whereas balsa wood shows an almost mystical ability to contain over 10 to the 10th power.

I understand that additional Airions can be captured and bound to the aircraft, by a combination of design, attention to details and materials used in construction. Though the evidence is there, it's been impossible to quantify how strong the density of Airions can become. This, I tend to believe,  validates Randy's most recent stated point of view on the subject.

As for Polarity, it is very sharp of you to recognise this little known phenomenon.

My theory is that there is a breakdown to the point, that for every Airion, a positive partical, there is a negative partical called a "Groundion". Groundions are nasty little bits to deal with.  Groundions exist wit, and are bound to the earth, some sort of electromagnetic phenomenon related to gravity. Simply put here's the root of the theory.

When an aircraft is built, it contains mostly Airions. Groundions are unable to attach themselves to the aircraft because of the positive pressure exerted by the Airions, but, in flight, the bond of some Airions with the aircraft will experience a drop in positive force. Apparently, due to the work of keeping the plane aloft. These weakend and sickly Airions are popped of into the airstream. The now stronger, and negatively charged Groundions follow up the stream of weakend, falling, Airions to the source, the aircraft, and attach themselves into the spaces left by the departing Airions. This possibly explains why planes seem to grow old with time and flights, and why aircraft seem to gain weight with time and use, since Groundions are believed, at least in theory, to have roughly twice the mass and weight of Airions.

It's been hypothesized that Airions themselves break down further into even smaller particles, both positively charged, but of differing values. Hypothetically called Ex cellons, and Ho hum ions. Though the existence of said sub groups are yet to be proven, evidence exists that some aircraft start out with more of one or the other. I believe this is why some planes are so much better than others right from the beginning, and others struggle from the git go.

All speculating aside, it is a fact that every flight causes the loss of some of these positive Airions. Arguments have been made, suggesting that the loss of Airions, with the resultant accumulation of heavy, ground loving Groundions, can be accelerated by the conditions in which the airplane is flown.

Flight in conditions such as extreme heat, or cold, wind, or turbulence, or when Judges are present has demonstrated the truth of this preposition. An example of and proof seems to occur each year, during the month of July near Muncie Indiana. It appears that this area is somewhat like the Bermuda Triangle of Airion Phenomena.

Sometimes, the loss of Airions is so slow and gradual that the pilot hardly notices, until the plane's accumulation of Groundions overcomes the ability of the Airions to hold the aircraft aloft. In such cases, damage is often not too bad, and the aircraft can be rebuilt. Sometimes after a rebuild, especially a good one, the plane can gain more Airions than it had at the beginning. Often these new Airions are of the best variety, the Ex cellons. I believe this might come about due to the fact that the pilot, or builder has gained experience and has access, though unknowingly, to more ex cellons than when the plane was first constructed. Interdemensional access may be occurring Kieth, as per your supposition. Do you think that white pants might be a key to these nether dimensions? Perhaps that is where "Halos" come from?

When the loss of Airions is rapid, it can be a sorry sight. I've seen this occur, usually due to the pilot trying something unfamiliar, or conditions being beyond the experience level, both seeming to cause the rapid loss of Airions, usually at a critical time. The worst case of all seems to be when judges are present. The clash and release of Airons can actually be heard as a load "CRUMP" when the Groundions are returned to the ground from whence they came.  :o

At least now that the truth of Airions is finally getting out, we can begin to understand some of the things that happen to our planes, seemingly for no reason.   y1  H^^  010!
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2008, 01:20:42 AM »
Yeah but John, you fail to quantify the theoretical methods for importation during conception and construction of our airplanes. I know that speaking from my last year really need some insight into Imparting these particles into my airframes, I need more. Perhaps its more that I need to prevent the exportation and exfoliation of said particles in a more rapid pace? Do you theorize that the quantity of Airions has any relationship to the experience level of the flier? or is it more that we, or I , need to be more diligent in preserving them. sigh, insight please?
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2008, 07:28:17 AM »
Kieth, I am in awe of your almost instantaneous grasp of this conceptual theory relating to the existence and effect of " Airions".

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At least now that the truth of Airions is finally getting out, we can begin to understand some of the things that happen to our planes, seemingly for no reason.   y1  H^^  010!

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I am overwhelmed with these revelations.  This opens up a whole new area of aerothermodynamic intergranular science that certainly warrants further study and research, at least about how it pertains to model aviation and tethered flight in particular.  I wonder if you could explain the interactions of airions with control lines.  I have an idea that there is some sort of lensing action going on that stimulates and incites and amplifies and expands and magnifies the airions to higher levels excitation in some exponential manner.  I also suspect that the shape of our hemisphere is involved with what you explained but I have not figured that one out yet.  Is there anything to the rumor that there is something different than airions that reside in either fuel or fuel tubing to explain why perfectly good fuel systems sometimes go haywire.  ("Haywire" is a really good and legitimate term to explain these little known highly technical phenomena )  I will be building a lot more airplanes now to explore and take advantage of this stuff you have revealed.

This reminds me of the time that I learned about the evolution, life and reproduction habits of nougas.  (Those are the creatures where Naugahyde comes from.)  There is a book on this that is often referenced but evidently has never been seen ---

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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2008, 09:03:07 AM »
John,

Well, the theory of loss of Airions due to judges observations is a valid one, I think. As we know from quantum theory, observing an event has the effect of changing the event. There is no such thing as a passive observer. This may be why the best patterns flown seem to happen when we are all alone and flying with an automated launch system. Perhaps it is true that the fewer observers, the easier it is to retain Airions. When judges observe a flight, it is with focused attention and may have an even stronger deleterious effect on Airion retention. Interesting concept that merits further investigation. Perhaps you could head a committee.

Another interesting point is the idea that the accumulation of Airions, particularly of the more rare Ex cellons, could be linked to both design of the aircraft and the experience of the builder. It could it be that the very act (and observation) of closely fitted joints or the form of a structure may attract these rare elements? An interesting thought. Also, another thought could be color concept. It could be that certain colors or combinations of color, when applied to the structure, could have a wave/focus effect that further attracts and binds these particles. The interdimensional aspects of this probably can't be overstated. We could be looking at a phenomenon similar to the Casmir effect that the physicist Travis Taylor is currently exploring at the NASA non-reaction drive think tank. Perhaps the flow of Airions is directly linked to such sub-atomic effects.

This is certainly worthy of consideration.
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2008, 09:55:35 AM »
ZOUNDS!!  UREKA!!  Color  --  OF COURSE!!  But it gets sort of complicated.

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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2008, 11:03:09 AM »
Yeah but John, you fail to quantify the theoretical methods for importation during conception and construction of our airplanes. I know that speaking from my last year really need some insight into Imparting these particles into my airframes, I need more. Perhaps its more that I need to prevent the exportation and exfoliation of said particles in a more rapid pace? Do you theorize that the quantity of Airions has any relationship to the experience level of the flier? or is it more that we, or I , need to be more diligent in preserving them. sigh, insight please?

Wow, It's such a pleasure to mix in the company of greatness. You guys are the best, demonstrated by your rapid assimilation and projection regarding Airion Phenomena.

So happy, Mark that you've joined in, as your experiences are actually the core that set us off to the theory of Ex cellons and Ho hum ions.

To address your first critical, but insightful question, Yes there is a direct coorelation to the experience level, but also as you've surmised, experience alone will not help to impart more of, or most importantly, more of the rarer Ex cellons.

Let us try and theorize together, it always helps to work with a larger group.

Studies suggest that in the beginning, all matter had finite, and varying amounts of Airions held closely with in it's structure, and at the sub atomic level. It seems that the Atomic structure of an element plays a role, but it's not well understood as yet. Matter sufficently large enough to generate a strong electro-magnetic field, and thus heavier gravity mutates the positive Airions at the surface. This effect seems to only penetrate the surface for .2 meters, on average. The effect coalesces the surface airions into the hated Groundions, which now take on a negative charge. Trying to resolve themselves into balance, is where all the friction occurs.

So as it happens, when a new builder begins his first projects, he is only able to access a limited amount of Ex cellons, though the flow of Ho hum ions comes relativly easy. Remember, Airions exist in all materials, and it appears that the bulk of them, in a free state are of the Ho hum ion variety.

He or she, (to be politically correct) begins to be able to unconsiously access Ex cellons, and as Kieths insight shows, this likely through some inter, or intra-demensional portal, as they gain experience.

Now experience works on at least two levels, which you have surmised, and demonstrated by your increasingly demonstrated ability to accumulate, and conserve Airons. Without embarresing you I hope, I've personally observed a higher accumulation of the rarer Ex celons in your work and performance over a short or accellerated time.

The importance of your example is how you accelerated your ability to aquire and bind Airons, of all varieties, by several factors, that all aspiring Pilots, and especially the Stunt variety should emulate. For example, and this will become and ongoing observation, your atitude seems to be an attractent to not only Airions, but to Gurus, who have refined their ability to gather and bind to the point that the polarity of their auras is such that a neophyte can be infused with a portion of their ability, thus the aquisition curve steepens and time is compressed to the point that, to the rest of the observors, in a very short time (A relative abstract) a balancing of positive and negative occurs at a much higher level than would have if the neophyte had worked alone.

The last half of your last question, is one of the more important concepts, and sadly, one of the least understood by many.

Put in laymans terms, Airions cannot be conserved without conscious, and diligent effort.

The aquisition, and thusly the conservation of Airions is, at  the least, a two part equation. Not totally understood yet, but there aeems to be enough evidence to suggest a valid fact. Experience comes in two forms, perhaps more, much more. Randy, Kieth, and others show us a glimmer, that this is a much deeper science than we ever thought it could be. They've shown that experience in design, materials, and their relationships, coupled with skill in fitting, adhesion, inovation, graphics, and yes, even color and trim, are instramental in Aquiring Airions, esp. the prefered Ex cellon variety. Some involved in the study believe the other half of the equation has to do with the actual flying, especially in competition. Experience to the point that one limits or lessens the areas where familiarity meets unfamiliarity Is paramount to the conservancy of Airions. This also limits the rapid and destructive loss that sometimes occurs when flying before Judges.

A theory I'm in the process of working on suggests that there are at least one more portion of the equation to consider. It's phsycological, and I hope Randy's training in this field will help us to a better understanding.

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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2008, 11:38:47 AM »
John,

I am overwhelmed with these revelations.  This opens up a whole new area of aerothermodynamic intergranular science that certainly warrants further study and research, at least about how it pertains to model aviation and tethered flight in particular.  I wonder if you could explain the interactions of airions with control lines.  I have an idea that there is some sort of lensing action going on that stimulates and incites and amplifies and expands and magnifies the airions to higher levels excitation in some exponential manner.  I also suspect that the shape of our hemisphere is involved with what you explained but I have not figured that one out yet.  Is there anything to the rumor that there is something different than airions that reside in either fuel or fuel tubing to explain why perfectly good fuel systems sometimes go haywire.  ("Haywire" is a really good and legitimate term to explain these little known highly technical phenomena )  I will be building a lot more airplanes now to explore and take advantage of this stuff you have revealed.

This reminds me of the time that I learned about the evolution, life and reproduction habits of nougas.  (Those are the creatures where Naugahyde comes from.)  There is a book on this that is often referenced but evidently has never been seen ---

Keith

(edit to clarify the seemingly incomprehensible)

Omigosh,Kieth you've stimulated this discussion to a level that I, to be truthful, am having to operate above my comfort level. You truly are at the Guru level, and I salute you.

The concept of flying lines creating a lensing effect that amplifies the quality and effect of Airons is ground breaking. I can now see the relationship, but it had heretofor not even occurred to me. A glimmer of a better understanding of the gathering, and perhaps more importantly conservation of the rare and elusive Ex cellons. It might even show us a third variety of Airion, as yet unnamed.  Totally ground breaking as I said before.

Now, with the realization that the wire lines may play an important role, the effect of the hemisphere takes on new importance, especially to the electrical effect relating to attracting and binding free floating Airions.  This is just a theory, and being developed as I type, but considering the positive charge of Airions, and the fact that opposites attract, it could be that the wires moving in a circular fashion through the lines of magnetic force could be creating a negative charge on the lines,(due to the pilot being grounded to the surface). It might be that the hated Groundions cannot traverse through the body, but the negative charge, being electrical, can. (This is so brilliant Kieth. You may have also explained why we sometimes get shocked while flying.) Since all forces in nature are always trying to achieve balance, Airons would be gathered and stuck to the the lines during flight. It might also occur that due to Centri Pedal force, the lines cannot maintain balance but for an instance, because the airons are packed into the airframe. There may be some attraction by the function of a previously unknown dimensional doorway opened in flight. In any case, this attracting and gathering action could take place over and over, balance, unbalance, in a rapid sine wave like action. Absolutely brilliant.

It also appears that the direction of rotation has no effect, working equally well in both directions, though the case has been made that CW rotation could collect what I would postulate to be the new and yet unknown third variety of Airions.

Ah yes, the Haywire conundrum. Absolutely there's a correlation. The mechanics of which seem to be linked to the importance of the flight. This may be one of those phsycological  influenced propositions. I say this, because sometimes there's nothing wrong, but the pilot believes there is.

Please though, refrain from mentioning Nougas. I once had a very bad experiences with a herd of them.  HB~>

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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2008, 12:09:37 PM »
John,

You bring up two interesting points to consider. First is that with all the possible attraction issues that lines may generate, this may be why it is important to have a buffering handle. This would preclude the attraction of Groundions to some extent and also prevent at least some loss of Airions. In additions, the combination may actually create the third type you've postulated. Hmm... Food for thought.

Secondly, as you alluded to previously, mental state does, I think, have everything to do with initial attraction of Airions. A certain at least subconscious mantra may be needed to set up the initial structure into which Airions flow. Sort of a beaker in which the master builder pours the accumulation of Airions, if you will allow the poetic reference. I believe this initial collection of Airions is built when one dreams about a new design and the initial form is laid down. This very process causes the beginning attraction of Airions to the process. It could also be why there are problems with a plane when these initial musings are not brought to fruition (I've had this design rattling around in my head for years).

There may be a paper here: Airions and CLPA Mental Makeup. Hmmm....
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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2008, 12:25:11 PM »
John,

Well, the theory of loss of Airions due to judges observations is a valid one, I think. As we know from quantum theory, observing an event has the effect of changing the event. There is no such thing as a passive observer. This may be why the best patterns flown seem to happen when we are all alone and flying with an automated launch system. Perhaps it is true that the fewer observers, the easier it is to retain Airions. When judges observe a flight, it is with focused attention and may have an even stronger deleterious effect on Airion retention. Interesting concept that merits further investigation. Perhaps you could head a committee.

Another interesting point is the idea that the accumulation of Airions, particularly of the more rare Ex cellons, could be linked to both design of the aircraft and the experience of the builder. It could it be that the very act (and observation) of closely fitted joints or the form of a structure may attract these rare elements? An interesting thought. Also, another thought could be color concept. It could be that certain colors or combinations of color, when applied to the structure, could have a wave/focus effect that further attracts and binds these particles. The interdimensional aspects of this probably can't be overstated. We could be looking at a phenomenon similar to the Casmir effect that the physicist Travis Taylor is currently exploring at the NASA non-reaction drive think tank. Perhaps the flow of Airions is directly linked to such sub-atomic effects.

This is certainly worthy of consideration.

Randy, I believe this very discussion is why the internet is such a valuable resource. I understand that it was created for this very type of research and discussion.

You my friend, bring another dimension to the discussion, due to your training, I'm positive. You are trained to look into problems at a clinical level and simply, connect the dots. You've managed, in a few words, to do so, let me, being the wordy type, broaden out what you've said so that more of us can recognise the depth of your concept.

Connecting Quantum Theory with this discussion, as it relates to observed flight, is masterful. I see a Doctoral thesis lurking within the concept, should you decide to pursue it. It also leads me to wonder about the aural effects of releasing large amounts of Groundions, That Crump sound which is so sickening. I feel there might with in lurk the answer to the question, " If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is near, does it make a noise?'

Also, I see where increasing the attention level of observers, coupled with the importance of the flight, and the conditions at the time of the flight, wind, turbulence etc., can combine to the point that the negative can overpower the positive, resulting, in as you said, traumatic deceleration. An apt and descriptive term for sure. The exact mechanics may vary, but the effect is almost always the same.

Your second point, well observed by the way, we've covered with Mark, so we'll go to your last, and most cogent question. Also on par with Kieth's observations, brilliant.

I believe it was the ancient Master Guru, Jimmy Casael (sp) who first wrote of this color phenomena, long before the existence of Airons was understood. In his article on his winning Spectrum, he outlined the crude theory of how color and trim can help. We now know that though he was unaware of the existence of Airons, he instinctively understood their function, and how to gather and bind them with color.

Other than that though, not much additional study in depth, has taken place. Some have observed that the plane "presents" well, to describe this connection. Real in depth study is needed, and from what I've seen of your work in this particular field, you are well on the way. I do hope you will write that thesis. Perhaps now is the right time.  H^^
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Re: The Weather
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2008, 01:12:58 PM »
If you guys don't object, I'd like to include the exchange on "Airions" between John, Keith, and Randy, in my next club newsletter. CLP**

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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2008, 01:36:53 PM »
John,

Well, I think using the discussion is fine, but there should be a disclaimer since it deals with such deep, research related issues.  H^^
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« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2008, 01:57:48 PM »
You're right Randy

I checked with the Office of Reaserch into Airion and Groundion Implementation, Nuetralization, Incouragement, Development, Investigation, Observation, and Transportal Study, O RAGIN IDIOTS for short.

A disclaimer is required to protct the rest of us from ourselves.  n1  n~

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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2008, 10:29:36 AM »
Thanks guys,

Though, I noticed that there was no discussion of the effect, I recently read about, whereas Groundions, over a period  of many years, will leak up throught a seasoned flyers legs and convert themselves to Elder-ions which eventually leak out, through contact with the handle, onto the control lines causing  a very rubbery effect on control response. S?P

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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2008, 12:46:39 PM »
Just thought I'd note that we had snow again last night. About 5" of the very wet and heavy variety. Trees broke (not used to the load) and power lines are down all over my area. My son called to say, sorry, no power at the house. Oh joy!

Now it's raining to beat the band. Should make for a fun drive home.
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« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2008, 01:58:16 PM »
ONce again I feel compelled to first make a point or 7, and then to pose some questions, ( I will leave the other posing to those with more svelt figures,, say Kim Bassinger,, Natalie Portman, and so on)
My personall overvation leads me to question that there are Elderions. I question whether there exists such an element or perhaps whether we are msising something in the analasys of this pnenomenom,, I have observed those who should be experiencing this phenomenum, herto known as LOTS (long of tooths). These LOTS have both exhibited precise and absolute control over the airions charged to their care, and some others LOTS of the same vintage, (the fliers not the airframes, though that brings another question to mind) So how can the direct corelation be made which equates the loss of Airions to the age of the pilot.
The other question I refer to, I beleive that there is ssomething related to the age of the design of the airframe, and the age of the engine that must in fact affect the dissemination or collection of the airions. It would appear to me, that since I have seen old airframes and old designs with old engines, which seem to avoid the collection of the Groundions there truly must be some correlation there. Though I have also seen new designs with new airframes and new pilots that seem to survive, Myself am a semi old pilot, (compared to my youngsters), with newer airframes, though the ones who have suffered at my Groundion expelling, Airion erradicating hands have been of the older variety. I have had new engines old engines and no engines,, um, oh never mind that last one, I think the spazzyions were affecting my reasoning for a second.
I believe, and trust me its only a theory, but an annalytical approach may be requiered in order to further explor this phenomenum. Perhaps by eliminating variables that can be shown to have negligable affect on this abstract theory, we can further isolate those that truly impact the outcome,, no pun intended,,
I appreciate the acknowledgement of my recent apparant growth towards the ultimate goal of long term hoarding of the experions and airions. It has been a trying adventure, of which I am sure there will be more. I just have a burning desire to expand my ability to infuse these mysterious particles into my airplanes. Timing is pressing, my 109 project is getting ready to strt finishing and I think it wise to gather as many as possible before sealing with the covering. Hmm perhaps the silkspan contains more of them ,,  ?Oh lads I need your help.

ONe other thought I had was whether there could be some phenomenen involved that allows you to strip the Airions from carbon based liquids, as in methonal fuel? I know that there seems to be a correlation between the quantity of this carbon based material which is consumed and the longevity of the Airion duration. I envision something by which the fuel as it passes into the venturi is actually a mechanism for extracting them. Yes I know that common concept indicates that fuel passes through the venturi as a method to cause proper mixture and combustion. However my theory has more to do with the possiblilty of this fuel passing Airions into the airframe as it diffueses into the venturi. Think about it, then the Airions could pass down the lines into the pilot instead of the other way as proposed. Initially Electrons were thoguht to flow towards the positive and now its known that they in fact flow towards the negative, the same phenonenum could be happenening here. This then would allow the Airions to enter the body of the pilot expelling the  groundions through the soles of his velcro shoes,, hmm wonder if that,, nah couldnt be. See My studys and research leads me to beleive that the Airions~Groundion particles are actually housed more in the body of the pilot as opposed to the airframe. Otherwise, why does one of my planes exhibit positive Airion patterns when Pat flies it, but then it exhibits the Groundion characteristics when I fly it.
Ok thats my theories for now, just trying to stimulate a different angle on this perhaps.
my illustrious colleages please digest , regurgitate to me the findings of this.
I would hate for my 109 to meet the same Groundion influenced fate as the P-40 Q Martian butterfly did last year.

ONe other thought to explore, the correlation of color to the accumulation of TOnnagions, I have heard Randy speak of Silver in this light, that being every silver airplane is an over weight pig?
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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2008, 02:06:24 PM »
As an aside to John's, Keith's and Randy's commentary on Airions, etc,. and the transportal (the most interesting part to me!) of said positive ions to the model through the control lines, I had an interesting thought.

When it comes to people like Keith, Billy Werwage, Paul, Bob Hunt, Ted, etc., and their STORAGE of Airions within their psyche, it is obvious that their ability to transmit, unknowingly, yet willfully, large amounts of Airions to the model while it is in place is well above mere mortals' abilities to do so.  I suspect that the Airions in our own bodies are just WAITING to be released into our model, yet we must hone our bodies abilities to do just that.  Dealing in Sports Psychology (on a minor level) and coming to an understanding (albeit somewhat shallow) of *BEING IN THE ZONE*, just maybe THE ZONE in CLPA is the successful transport, through the lines of our OWN Airoions to our models.  That would definitely help to explain the old "it all comes from seeing the bottom of fuel cans" comment.   The more successful flights, the more times we subject ourselves to the pressures of *witnessed flight*, the better we adapt to such a transportation/release.  Of course, some will always be just blessed with a greater ability to tap into their own psyche and release these Airions.  Since this is such a ground breaking area, and it was unknown hereto for, the Icons of the hobby have never known of *The Gift*................ (maybe it caused a subconscious effect on Bernie Ash when he named the Airon??)

But, there are just so many variables that it could take decades, even with the greatest known minds and fastest computers, to BEGIN to comprehend what the actual *Impacts* can/will be.
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