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THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« on: September 22, 2022, 06:01:48 PM »
Sunday, September 25, the official, fully sanctioned Fox 15 Hurl Champion will be crowned.  He or she will win one of the most sought after trophies (see attached) to be awarded in all of competitive sports.

Be there so you can tell your grandchildren that you were a part of history.

Long Live the Hurl.

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2022, 07:20:37 PM »
....and remember, the "Drive for Five" is still in play!

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2022, 11:20:01 PM »
I am happy to announce that the engines for the Hurl have been certified and issued by Hurl Technical Services, and are now in parc ferme' under my custody! Seeing the official engines fills my heart with unbridled joy, and excitement from anticipation of the greatest day on the 2022 calendar!

   Brett

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2022, 09:06:09 PM »
I am happy to announce that the engines for the Hurl have been certified and issued by Hurl Technical Services, and are now in parc ferme' under my custody! Seeing the official engines fills my heart with unbridled joy, and excitement from anticipation of the greatest day on the 2022 calendar!

   Brett

Wasn't the hurl today? Results?

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2022, 09:35:03 PM »
Wasn't the hurl today? Results?

   Abridged History of Human Civilization:

     circa 4000bc - Invention of the Wheel
     May, 1765 - James Watt greatly improves the efficiency of the Newcomen engine by introducing the separate condensor, kicking off the industrial revolution
     July 20, 1969 - Man lands on the moon
     September 25, 2022 - 23rd Annual Fox 15 Hurl

    I note that the "Drive For 5" was thwarted only by David and Jim bringing in a ringer!  The 2022 Fox 15 Hurl Champion goes back to the Fitzgerald family, this time,  Eric Fitzgerald, while the old man could only manage a tie for 4th with a 12-year-old girl, and then only with Geezer points!
   
      I also note that the Hurling Grounds met the minimum criteria but were rather fickle, with young Jesse Dean getting a prodigious roll, and Eric getting a significant "plug" after a very impressive - and I will just say it, majestic -  airborne Hurl.  But with such fine young people as Eric and JEsse involved, I think it is safe to say that the future of Fox 15 Hurling is in *very good hands*!

     Brett
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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2022, 09:38:18 AM »
Final Results of the The Fox 15 Hurl minor cousin, Meet 'n Meat 23

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2022, 10:13:00 AM »
Final Results of the The Fox 15 Hurl minor cousin, Meet 'n Meat 23

  One minor correction, yours truly is the Acting Commissioner per Rule 7, paragraphs C, "Hurl Committee Disaster Protocols", and my (virtually unlimited) powers are granted only until the current emergency is over.

     I was concerned yesterday that some people imagined that the "disaster" in question was the Covid-19 (formally called Wuhan Flu), but of course those who have been paying attention know that it was the result of first, The Commissioner's transmission mysteriously "failing" on the way to the 2019 Hurl, then his, for lack of a better word, "incapacity" due to the unfortunate gene-splicing experiment (which of course has been extensively discussed and needs no further elaboration).

   I am committed to guiding the hurl with a firm but even hand and will give up my (virtually unlimited) powers as soon as the emergency is over.

      Brett Buck, Acting Commissioner of The Hurl

*I also note that both the adult and Junior champions were won with *no geezer poitns* at all, Eric is 23 and Jesse is 12. This highest Geezer points awarded were to one Mr. Jerry Rocha, with 25 points, more than doubling his raw distance. An inspiration to us all!
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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2022, 10:44:06 AM »
Final Results of the The Fox 15 Hurl minor cousin, Meet 'n Meat 23

   In stunt-related news, you will note that the distribution between classes continues per previous trends, and, that a young man (Zack Schultz)  in his first contest and who could not reliably fly anything more than inside loops in April finished in the pack in Advanced with a very reasonable score of 489, and of the people ahead of him, 3 of them are former Experts who have stepped down. He was flying my 30-ish year-old Skyray that has been wrecked and rebuilt 4 times, with a bone-stock 25LA, and would have likely finished better had the clunk not fallen off inside the tank on his second flight. And, of course, no appearance points.

   This illustrates my previous point about the utility of Beginner and Intermediate, at least in areas where there is a lot of competent help available, and are willing to listen - people blow right past Beg/INT in a few flying sessions. Note that this is without thousands of practice flights from sunup to sundown, endless coaching, just an honest airplane and no built-in bad habits. Stand up straight, and move the handle to make the figures.

  The turnout (probably due to the 3-day format) was too low, but for example, take the people who actually showed up, divide them in to 3 eually-sized classes - (Expert, Advanced, and INT/BEG), and you an see how the various notions I was trying to prmote work out. In fact, you could just call them A/B/C, run all 19 of them on Sturday, 2 rounds, about 7 hours, split the field into three, then fly them off on Sunday. Want to know how you stack up against David - better get out of group B!

    Just and idea, but in restrospect, could have been ideal experiment for this sized contest where only one circle is available.

       Brett

p.s. On the other hand, the format we did use resulted in the contest being over at about 10:45 on Sunday, after which lunch, and The Hurl were executed to our usual rigorous standards, and still later, a few hardy souls took advantage of David and I participating in a test and trim session, with, reportedly (as of about an hour again) very significant improvements.

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2022, 10:55:35 AM »
Once again it has been brought to my attention that the use of CAP'N Crunch's Peanut Butter Crunch, either internally or externally, may help some individuals to be an accomplished stunt flyer. However, with the very sad performance of "said individual" that could only muster up a 4th place tie and that was with a 12-year old young lady. I would still like to propose a rule for a complete and permanent ban of CAP'N Crunch's Peanut Butter Crunch from further use or display at the prestigious Fox 15 Hurl.

Mr. Acting Commissioner of The Hurl (self appointed) ---- We await your decision. Long Live the Fox 15 Hurl!


Sincerely,

Dennis "Third Place" Nunes
« Last Edit: September 26, 2022, 07:21:45 PM by Dennis Nunes »

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2022, 07:22:39 PM »
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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2022, 08:48:55 PM »
As an example only, and not to call anyone out or try to denigrate them, here is an example of the A/B/C ranking system using the best guess I have at the "uniform" scores.

The original ranking (presuming EXP and ADV are properly aligned with no overlap, ranking all Experts ahead of any Advanced:
 
    1  'Fitzgerald ' 608 
    2  'Buck       ' 607 
    3  'Dvarvydis  ' 599 
    4  'Aron       ' 592 
    5  'Nunes      ' 586 
    6  'Just       ' 584.5
    7  'Pomposo    ' 565 
    8  'Wright     ' 545 
    9  'Shorts, L. ' 525 
   10  'Moore      ' 522 
   11  'Schulz     ' 520 
   12  'Dean       ' 501.5
   13  'Cunha      ' 497.5
   14  'Shorts, D. ' 497 
   15  'Schulz     ' 489.5
   16  'Wong       ' 484 
   17  'Scholtes   ' 474.5
   18  'Constantine' 448.5
   19  'Stimpson   '   70



  What I did was take the BEG/ADV/EXP entries, and corrected the EXP scores to be more-or-less consistent with the Advanced, by scaling them down by a constant factor of .92. The idea was to create a consistent slope for those not considered outliers.



   The dotted line is what I was trying to match between the classes. This was only necessary to get an equuvalent score for expert, as if we had flown all the flights for the same judge panel. In a real-life case, you wouldn't need to do that, since all the fliers fly at once on Saturday.


Once that is done, presume that we all flew together on Saturday, got the scores as adjusted. Then, with 19 entrants, break it up into 7, 7, and 5, then on Sunday, yo have 3 separate groups, A, B, and C, that are only competing with each other:


 1 'Fitzgerald '   577.6000  A
 2 'Buck       '   576.6500  A
 3 'Dvarvydis  '   569.0500  A
 4 'Aron       '   562.4000  A
 5 'Nunes      '   556.7000  A
 6 'Just       '   555.2750  A
 7 'Pomposo    '   536.7500  A
 8 'Shorts, L. '   525.0000  B
 9 'Moore      '   522.0000  B
10 'Schulz, J. '   520.0000  B
11 'Wright     '   517.7500  B
12 'Dean       '   501.5000  B
13 'Cunha      '   497.5000  B
14 'Shorts, D. '   497.0000  B
15 'Schulz, Z. '   489.5000  C
16 'Wong       '   484.0000  C
17 'Scholtes   '   474.5000  C
18 'Constantine'   448.5000  C
19 'Stimpsom   '    70.0000  C


  Note that this has nothing to do with what happens at the next contest, does not "establish" someone in a class, it just means on this particular Saturday, this is how you came out against the other people who showed up. Next time, it might be different, based on how you flew. Obviously we can't conclude what would have happened when you did the A, B, and C flyoffs, because we didn't actually do that, but it gives a taste of how it would work.

   At the end, you give out 1-2-3 for A, 1-2-3 for B, and 1-2-3 for C, so there are actually two competitions - one, to get in this highest group you can (because, conceptually, #1 for B is actually 9th place), then, trying to beat out the other guys in your group to get the #1 trophy for your group.

    Brett

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2022, 08:59:49 PM »
As an example only, and not to call anyone out or try to denigrate them, here is an example of the A/B/C ranking system using the best guess I have at the "uniform" scores.

The original ranking (presuming EXP and ADV are properly aligned with no overlap, ranking all Experts ahead of any Advanced:
 
    1  'Fitzgerald ' 608 
    2  'Buck       ' 607 
    3  'Dvarvydis  ' 599 
    4  'Aron       ' 592 
    5  'Nunes      ' 586 
    6  'Just       ' 584.5
    7  'Pomposo    ' 565 
    8  'Wright     ' 545 
    9  'Shorts, L. ' 525 
   10  'Moore      ' 522 
   11  'Schulz     ' 520 
   12  'Dean       ' 501.5
   13  'Cunha      ' 497.5
   14  'Shorts, D. ' 497 
   15  'Schulz     ' 489.5
   16  'Wong       ' 484 
   17  'Scholtes   ' 474.5
   18  'Constantine' 448.5
   19  'Stimpson   '   70



  What I did was take the BEG/ADV/EXP entries, and corrected the EXP scores to be more-or-less consistent with the Advanced, by scaling them down by a constant factor of .92. The idea was to create a consistent slope for those not considered outliers.



   The dotted line is what I was trying to match between the classes. This was only necessary to get an equuvalent score for expert, as if we had flown all the flights for the same judge panel. In a real-life case, you wouldn't need to do that, since all the fliers fly at once on Saturday.


Once that is done, presume that we all flew together on Saturday, got the scores as adjusted. Then, with 19 entrants, break it up into 7, 7, and 5, then on Sunday, yo have 3 separate groups, A, B, and C, that are only competing with each other:


 1 'Fitzgerald '   577.6000  A
 2 'Buck       '   576.6500  A
 3 'Dvarvydis  '   569.0500  A
 4 'Aron       '   562.4000  A
 5 'Nunes      '   556.7000  A
 6 'Just       '   555.2750  A
 7 'Pomposo    '   536.7500  A
 8 'Shorts, L. '   525.0000  B
 9 'Moore      '   522.0000  B
10 'Schulz, J. '   520.0000  B
11 'Wright     '   517.7500  B
12 'Dean       '   501.5000  B
13 'Cunha      '   497.5000  B
14 'Shorts, D. '   497.0000  B
15 'Schulz, Z. '   489.5000  C
16 'Wong       '   484.0000  C
17 'Scholtes   '   474.5000  C
18 'Constantine'   448.5000  C
19 'Stimpsom   '    70.0000  C


  Note that this has nothing to do with what happens at the next contest, does not "establish" someone in a class, it just means on this particular Saturday, this is how you came out against the other people who showed up. Next time, it might be different, based on how you flew. Obviously we can't conclude what would have happened when you did the A, B, and C flyoffs, because we didn't actually do that, but it gives a taste of how it would work.

   At the end, you give out 1-2-3 for A, 1-2-3 for B, and 1-2-3 for C, so there are actually two competitions - one, to get in this highest group you can (because, conceptually, #1 for B is actually 9th place), then, trying to beat out the other guys in your group to get the #1 trophy for your group.

    Brett

It looks like the green line should be the adjusted Expert scores.

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Re: THE OFFICIAL FOX 15 HURL
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2022, 09:47:01 PM »
It looks like the green line should be the adjusted Expert scores.

   Looks OK to me - now...

   By the way, every time I plot a set of scores like this, I am surprised by how consistent the shape is, and how the slopes tend to be the same for every class, even from contest to contest. The low end of each class always falls off like this, too, usually from some exceptional event or bad luck. More entrants make it smoother, but more-or-less the same shape every time.

    Brett


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