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Offline Robert Zambelli

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The Good Old Days!!!!!
« on: April 02, 2020, 12:58:04 PM »
I came across this magazine from 1950.
The cover photo is from the fourth International Plymouth Meet.   #^  #^
It features a number of control line planes including the Stunt King.
I wonder if either of those intrepid young men are still alive today!!   ???   ???

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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 01:25:35 PM »
Bob, That is about 66 years ago. Corona virus be dammed ,they could certainly be alive but
Will be in their 80's.

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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2020, 01:36:04 PM »
Bob, That is about 66 years ago. Corona virus be dammed ,they could certainly be alive but
Will be in their 80's.
 
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I was flying CL in the late late 50's and I'm not anywhere near my 80's.  LL~
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2020, 03:15:00 PM »
 
Hey!

I was flying CL in the late late 50's and I'm not anywhere near my 80's.  LL~

    What did you fly? Every picture you've posted that was supposed to be you as a kid was from the early to mid 60's and you were holding half finished airplanes? Not much different than today. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ A lot of boasting and bragging but nothing of any substantial activity.
   
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2020, 03:30:26 PM »
   There were several of those books in a series put out by Fawcet publications, the same people that put out Popular Mechanics. I think I have them all, and there was a few that were specifically about building and engine or other technical project of the time. I love that kind of stuff. popular Mechanics had a bunch of models published as features in their pages. Some plans are out there floating around and I pick them up when I can find them. If kids were even half interested in this kind of stuff now, they would have plenty to keep themselves busy while being isolated. I'm building a couple of Jim Walker Interceptor gliders and went to the hardware store for some odds and ends and showed the guy there a picture of what I wanted the stuff for. He asked how long I had been doing this kind of stuff, and I told him 60 years or so! He asked what I did  for a living and told him I was a welder/ fabricator/maintenance technician. I told him that learning how to build stuff as a kid was a basis for what i did for a living. How many kids of any age could complete any of the projects in those Fawcet books? Some of them are not even that difficult. How long will it be before we don't have anyone left that knows how to fix anything, or just be a common problem solver??
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2020, 03:45:07 PM »
Well  I had a friend who actually competed in that meet. Unfortunately, he passed a month ago
.probable not many of those still around that still fly models.

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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2020, 04:13:16 PM »
Warren Tiehart competed in at least one of the Plymoth Internats.  He is still going strong in Tucson in his 80's.

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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2020, 05:12:42 PM »
I competed in stunt and combat in the 1950 Plymouth meet.  Many preliminary contests were held throughout the country and the winners got a free trip to Detroit to compete in the final contest, called "Plymouth International".  (I don't think it was really international, but kids from all 48 states could enter.)

My Plymouth entry was held in Redondo Beach, California.  Of course,I didn't win enough to win a trip to Detrot, but I did come in 2nd or 3rd in stunt.
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2020, 05:30:37 PM »
    What did you fly? Every picture you've posted that was supposed to be you as a kid was from the early to mid 60's and you were holding half finished airplanes? Not much different than today. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ A lot of boasting and bragging but nothing of any substantial activity.
   
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Gee Dan,

You're being kinda rough on me, for a guy who never posted a photo or did a build? What have you purchased already built lately?

I've said this many times on the Forum, I learned on a Flite Streak JR. with a Fox 15.

And we had those Scientific .O49 solid wood models also. Plenty of them, bunch of us kids had them.

I might have been 13 or 14 but not older. So 1958 or 1959 when I started.

When did you start?

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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2020, 07:11:21 PM »
Hmmm, Plymouth Internats, Detroit.  Memories! y1
I flew Jr stunt with a Barnstormer and combat with a Ringmaster there in 1953. I had one of those red T shirts shown on the magazine cover and supporting hat. The shirt lasted a few years then seemed to "shrink!"  ???
Didnot win anything but had a ball.
- Lou Andrews flying his RC Trixter Beam alongside our Transfer Bus from the hotel to the flying site.
- Buzz Ferguson's Barnstormer(touted to be the second one ever built) supposedly there as a backup plane for Lou Andrews.Have pic of it.
- Ran friends Dyna Jet on roof of hotel at about 2 in the morning. Detroit woke up!-
- Same friend spilled blue dope on green hand towel at hotel. The hand towel got a quick blue paint job before we left for NY.
- The trophy display was huge. The event banquet and awards ceremony was enormous, dont remember where it was held.
- All expenses were paid for winners of our local Plymouth contest by the local Plymouth Dealer, Rocco Motor Sales in Tuckhoe,NY.
- Flew out and back in a DC-3, my first Commercial flight.
Thanks for jogging my gray matter Bob Zambelli!
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2020, 08:08:18 PM »
What a find.  Would love to read it.  The wife just handed me a book on wood working that I didn't know we had.   A flooded basement took out all my Air Trails magazines that I cherished.  As big as that meet was I would guess Larry may not have met them.  It is like the Nationals,  There are a lot of people that were at the same NATS I was at and didn't get to meet.  Be great id the book could be digitized and put on a disc. D>K

Now Dan me boy, let it drop.  Those of us that know you, know you can build and fly as well how well you taught that son of yours(Sean) what you know.   H^^
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2020, 08:48:46 PM »

- Ran friends Dyna Jet on roof of hotel at about 2 in the morning. Detroit woke up!-
- Same friend spilled blue dope on green hand towel at hotel. The hand towel got a quick blue paint job before we left for NY.

Thanks for jogging my gray mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmB42jsImj8atter Bob Zambelli!
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The Keith Moon for control line.

I assume everyone has watched this film of the 1948 Plymouth Internationals.



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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2020, 09:07:59 PM »
Hmmm, Plymouth Internats, Detroit.  Memories! y1
I flew Jr stunt with a Barnstormer and combat with a Ringmaster there in 1953. I had one of those red T shirts shown on the magazine cover and supporting hat. The shirt lasted a few years then seemed to "shrink!"  ???
Didnot win anything but had a ball.
- Lou Andrews flying his RC Trixter Beam alongside our Transfer Bus from the hotel to the flying site.
- Buzz Ferguson's Barnstormer(touted to be the second one ever built) supposedly there as a backup plane for Lou Andrews.Have pic of it.
- Ran friends Dyna Jet on roof of hotel at about 2 in the morning. Detroit woke up!-
- Same friend spilled blue dope on green hand towel at hotel. The hand towel got a quick blue paint job before we left for NY.
- The trophy display was huge. The event banquet and awards ceremony was enormous, dont remember where it was held.
- All expenses were paid for winners of our local Plymouth contest by the local Plymouth Dealer, Rocco Motor Sales in Tuckhoe,NY.
- Flew out and back in a DC-3, my first Commercial flight.
Thanks for jogging my gray matter Bob Zambelli!
Roger  Vizioli
Did the entrants stay at the Book Hotel located near Grand River and Cass Ave in downtown Detroit? Seems I saw an old movie that showed that. BTW I jumped off that building with a parachute in 1997. It was my 2nd BASE jump, I landed in the middle of Grand River Avenue and made a stealthy getaway in a van waiting for us.
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2020, 09:23:16 PM »
Gee Dan,

You're being kinda rough on me, for a guy who never posted a photo or did a build? What have you purchased already built lately?

   Dan's credibility is not in question.  In a way, neither is yours.

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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2020, 09:23:41 PM »
  Larry Scarinzi has paraded around Tuscon at VSC  wearing his pith helmet from the Plymouth Internats. I would love to find one of those in a Goodwill store or something! A friend of my older brother flew tow line glider and a rubber event one year. He was my brother's boss at a local Goodyear retread plant, and when he found out I flew models he hired me to work part time while I was in high school doing odd jobs like painting and such. Later on, when I had started to collect model magazines, he asked if I could find a copy of the Air Trails that had his name in it in their coverage as he had won or placed in tow line. I soon fixed him up with a pristine copy of that magazine and I'll never forget the look on his face when I gave it too him! He's still around and still builds and flies small R/C.  Lots of interesting stories out there about the goings on in the hotel where they put everyone up! The hotel management didn't understand that models needed to be built and repaired, engines needed to be test run, and microfilm needed to be processed in the bath tubs!  Not like the Navy Nats where they had the luxury of using the hangers on base.
   Several years ago, I was talking with a guy while I was working at the hobby shop one day, and was talking about how popular it was in the 50's, and the size of the major contests like the Plymouth meet and the Mirror Meet. A tall skinny guy came walking around the corner with his eyes bugging out and said, "I didn't think there was anyone alive that knew anything about control line models much less the Mirror Meet!" ( For the uninitiated, the Mirror Meet was a HUGE control line contest that was sponsored by the New York Daily Mirror news paper, and held on the parking lot of the original Madison Square Garden. There are aerial photos in the old mags of the site with I forget how many circles on the paved lot with crowds estimated to be in the tens of thousands!) The gentleman introduced himself, and I think his name was John. He joined our club and was active for a while, and he even attended one of the Tulsa Gluedobber's Mirror Meet events. The unusual thing about the Mirror Meet was that they had their own pattern, that was way longer than what we're used to, like 25 or 30 maneuvers. If you fly OTS at all, you know how hard it is to get a whole OTS pattern in on a tank of fuel! imagine almost doubling that! Most fliers had to land and refuel. John was a pretty smart guy, and he figured if he could build a model with a large enough tank to do the pattern in one flight, that may help his score, and he was correct. He told me it was his own design, and he had to really lean it out and fly fast to get it all on, but he think that helped him also. If I'm remembering correctly, he placed second in 1953, and that was against 40 to 50 contestants or more. Can you imagine something like either one of these being held now??
    I'll bet there are youtube videos of old newsreels for both events.
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2020, 10:08:44 AM »
This is great reading to an old man that grew up reading the articles by Larry.  Needless to say my first NATS while in the work hanger Wayne Meriwether and I were talking to a   young Navy MP when this character came up an started talking.  About this time the Navy MP dropped his club.   Nice little dent in the floor.   Larry asked if it was lead loaded, in which we all laughed.   We introduced ourselves and he has been one of my heroes ever since.  You are so lucky or fortunate to have grown up where you did.  Thanks for the post. H^^
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2020, 07:46:36 PM »
Did the entrants stay at the Book Hotel located near Grand River and Cass Ave in downtown Detroit? Seems I saw an old movie that showed that. BTW I jumped off that building with a parachute in 1997. It was my 2nd BASE jump, I landed in the middle of Grand River Avenue and made a stealthy getaway in a van waiting for us.

Mike,
I dont remember the name of the hotel. Being a pack rat, and still maintaining contact w/my friend who had the Dyna Jet, I'll try to get the name of the hotel.
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2020, 04:42:28 AM »
Whatever happened to Dawn Cosmillo??

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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2020, 07:22:55 AM »
Another very accomplish woman CL flyer was Marylou Brown from Staten Island, NY. We flew speed back in the mid 60's. Lou at one time held records in just about every class of speed. I did manage to get in touch with her a while back, she is living in California. Her brother George "Slugger" is in Arizona and still active in speed last I heard. Lou sadly also doesn't fly any longer. Still a great gal.

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2020, 08:42:19 AM »
Dawn was one lady I never got to meet.  The Browns were a great family.  Met them at a Chicago NATS. D>K
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2020, 10:39:35 AM »
Here I am getting a trophy at the 1950 Plymouth (local) contest.  1950

I just had another look at the rows of trophies.  There are 3 rows.  I can imagine these rows were 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.  The bottom row is empty, meaning that they gave those out first.  My trophy looks about the same size as those on the 2nd row.  So, I guess  had won a 2nd place in Senior stunt.  I was 17 years old, so still a Senior in the AMA age group.  Someone told me that the young lady handing out trophies was a Hollywood movie star, although I didn't catch her name.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2020, 11:19:16 AM »
   Shirley Austin was a protege of Wild Bill Netzeband when he lived here in St. Louis. She was featured in a model magazine (M.A.N. I believe), might have been in one of Bill's articles, because she was injured by broken glass and severely cut up her arm. The doctor suggested a hobby of some sort for therapy and that led to control line. She was supposed to be a decent combat flier, and I have a wing from a Shark45 that was supposed to be one that. she started. I have no idea if she is still in the area or not.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2020, 11:53:42 AM »
Here is a little story about Larry.  I first met Larry around 1949-50.   Around 2000 I was in Binghamton for Rebecca's 40th high school reunion. I got in the car at 2AM and drove 180 miles to a contest in NJ. I got there and it was light wind and misty not quite rain so no time for practice flight so I entered Expert and put a flight on my Fox 59 powered Viking to get some time on me and loosen up. Larry came over and started talking to me like we were old friends and said that was the best running 59 he had ever seen. I told him I set it up like said in his Blue Angel stunt article. He kept saying don't I know you. Larry and I had not seen each other in over 45 years. I said to him "remember the red haired kid from Binghamton flying combat in the 1950's". His face lit up and all those old memories started to flow out. Larry launched my Viking  in OT and Classic and talked nonstop all day .  Later I flew his super fast 15 powered combat model. Here is a picture of Larry and his friend after the contest.
  It was one of those days where you can't loose. I won OT,Classic and was third in Expert,Windy was 4th!
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2020, 12:02:18 PM »
   Shirley Austin was a protege of Wild Bill Netzeband when he lived here in St. Louis. She was featured in a model magazine (M.A.N. I believe), might have been in one of Bill's articles, because she was injured by broken glass and severely cut up her arm. The doctor suggested a hobby of some sort for therapy and that led to control line. She was supposed to be a decent combat flier, and I have a wing from a Shark45 that was supposed to be one that. she started. I have no idea if she is still in the area or not.
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2020, 12:23:32 PM »
Mike,
I dont remember the name of the hotel. Being a pack rat, and still maintaining contact w/my friend who had the Dyna Jet, I'll try to get the name of the hotel.
Roger
Mike,
Spoke w/my life long friend today. He does not remember the name of the hotel and has nothing to refer to for info.. Sorry!
BUT, we did agree to meet after this virus clears, he lives in TN, I live in Florida and his older sister lives 1/4 mile from me in Florida.  :)
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Re: The Good Old Days!!!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2020, 02:08:03 PM »
I don't remember how modelers were selected from the local Plymouth contests to compete in the "big" Plymouth contest in Detroit.  Did they invite only the 1st place winners in each category, or winners based on a high point method from many events (C/L, free flight, etc.)?

I was a (small time) 2nd place winner at our local Plymouth "preliminary" meet, but I wasn't one of those invited to go to Detroit.
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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2020, 08:13:07 PM »
I don't remember how modelers were selected from the local Plymouth contests to compete in the "big" Plymouth contest in Detroit.  Did they invite only the 1st place winners in each category, or winners based on a high point method from many events (C/L, free flight, etc.)?

I was a (small time) 2nd place winner at our local Plymouth "preliminary" meet, but I wasn't one of those invited to go to Detroit.

Floyd,
We were local winners in Jr(me) and Sr(my friend) stunt. We could enter anything, as I recall, at the "big" Plymouth contest.
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2020, 04:47:54 PM »
I think I understand.  Top winners at the local Plymouth "preliminary" contests got a free trip and lodgings to Detroit.  So, if you actually lived in Detroit, you could still enter the "Internats".  I had thought that participation was by invitation only.
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