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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Bob Heywood on March 12, 2019, 01:21:48 PM

Title: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Bob Heywood on March 12, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
The BMFA found the voice of reason within the UK CAA and this is the result:

https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2575/CAA-issue-exemption-for-Control-Line-Model-Aeroplane-Flight-Within-Flight-Restriction-Zones?fbclid=IwAR1Akh32Jwjz3v9eP-vW6X6V3znsdklCV2MEeSLo9MuEK_x0O0YWzEg_3MQ
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Jim Kraft on March 12, 2019, 01:34:11 PM
Maybe the light will come on at FAA and they will take notice. Exempt all control line flying from any and all government regulations. Just common sense.
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Jim Carter on March 12, 2019, 01:35:04 PM
The BMFA found the voice of reason within the UK CAA and this is the result:

https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2575/CAA-issue-exemption-for-Control-Line-Model-Aeroplane-Flight-Within-Flight-Restriction-Zones?fbclid=IwAR1Akh32Jwjz3v9eP-vW6X6V3znsdklCV2MEeSLo9MuEK_x0O0YWzEg_3MQ
Outstanding!!  It truly "zeros" in to the specifics in question.  Perhaps this should / could be submitted to the AMA or FAA for their review and consideration.
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Bob Heywood on March 12, 2019, 01:48:54 PM
I sent the link to Tyler Dobbs at AMA. He's the gov't guy.
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Bob Heywood on March 12, 2019, 01:55:45 PM
Outstanding!!  It truly "zeros" in to the specifics in question.  Perhaps this should / could be submitted to the AMA or FAA for their review and consideration.

What really needs to happen is everybody send the link to AMA. Send it a thousand times instead of just bitching and moaning here. Maybe then the message will get through.
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 12, 2019, 04:20:18 PM
To clarify, the "CAA" is the Civilian Aviation Authority in UK. UK is not University of Kentucky, either! I have come to strongly dislike acronyms. There are multiple groups using "CAA". Folks are too damned lazy to type out the words.  '' Steve

Edit: Could the OP (Original Poster) please post the email address for "the government guy" at the Academy of Multi-rotor Aviation? 
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Ken Culbertson on March 12, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
I have come to strongly dislike acronyms. There are multiple groups using "CAA". Folks are too damned lazy to type out the words.
Old military types.  You can't communicate in the military without acronyms and profanity and in some cases acronyms for profanity. LL~

Ken
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Bob Heywood on March 12, 2019, 05:52:50 PM
To clarify, the "CAA" is the Civilian Aviation Authority in UK. UK is not University of Kentucky, either! I have come to strongly dislike acronyms. There are multiple groups using "CAA". Folks are too damned lazy to type out the words.  '' Steve

Edit: Could the OP (Original Poster) please post the email address for "the government guy" at the Academy of Multi-rotor Aviation?

Tyler Dobbs
'tylerd@modelaircraft.org'

All of the AMA staff emails are readily available on the AMA web site...
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: wwwarbird on March 12, 2019, 08:07:08 PM
Maybe the light will come on at FAA and they will take notice. Exempt all control line flying from any and all government regulations. Just common sense.

 That would be way too easy, and certainly not waste enough of their time or our money.
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Tom Vieira on March 13, 2019, 06:34:57 AM
Thanks Bob!  will do, fearless leader!
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Jim Mynes on March 13, 2019, 08:04:26 AM
Old military types.  You can't communicate in the military without acronyms and profanity and in some cases acronyms for profanity. LL~

Ken

The military without acronyms? Can you imagine what a Charlie Foxtrot that would be?
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 13, 2019, 05:31:33 PM
  Well, they may have got the control line issues right, but it sounds like the free flight and R/C groups over there are taking a big hit. I had an article come up on my from from google news at work the other day describing what they have been dealing with. Our R/C guys and free flight guys will be here also. What needs to be done is the new law amended and the previous rule put back in place, and any new restrictions and regulations apply to the area that it belongs and that is with the multi rotor people. I really think that the worst has passed, the fad is fading and all will settle down to a mild roar and cooler, smarter heads will prevail, but not necessarily with the AMA leading the way!
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: Tom Vieira on March 14, 2019, 06:44:16 AM
From Tyler this morning....

"T.J., 

Control line has always been a discipline that AMA feels falls outside of the UAS definition but the FAA has only verbally agreed with us on this in the past.  While the FAA has been unwilling to make a control line separation in writing, hopefully this development may make them more willing to do so. 

AMA will be addressing this subject with the FAA as we work through the new recreational operating requirements.  "

so, holding pattern, but at least a response!
Title: Re: The Brits Got it Right...!
Post by: George Albo on March 14, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
I think that the suggestion to  contact the AMA and write with regards to the CAA General Exemption for Control line Aircraft is a very good idea.  I'm doing my small part.

I just sent this to Mr. Dobbs at the AMA,  tylerd@modelaircraft.org

Mr. Tyler Dobbs
 
As the liason contact between the AMA and the government,  I am sending you a copy of ORS4  No. 1296, CAA General Exemption E-4856 in PDF format, and am requesting that you contact the FAA and encourage them to adopt a similar exemption for Control Line Model Aviation.
 
Thank you for your attention to this matter,
 
George Albo