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« on: February 04, 2023, 11:35:21 AM »
Hey Dan , I see the chinese balloon is now over your house in MO.  Get you your slingshot and give it a try. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~NORAD isn't even trying to shoot it down. H^^
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2023, 11:47:40 AM »
The reason for this is that we have a worthless piece of sh** for a president.
He hasn’t got the balls to take action.
I still can’t believe that POS got into office.

If Trump was president that balloon would have been history as soon as it crossed into USA airspace.


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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2023, 11:54:06 AM »
The reason for this is that we have a worthless piece of sh** for a president.
He hasn’t got the balls to take action.
I still can’t believe that POS got into office.

If Trump was president that balloon would have been history as soon as it crossed into USA airspace.

Robert, any donkey-hole with enough idiots behind him can steal an election as we have seen done by this AH. Just look at all the brain washing the TV sheeple are/have been doing. To quote Rob Carsen "Because I'm not stupid".

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2023, 12:07:46 PM »
Where's Alec Baldwin when we need him??
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2023, 12:17:28 PM »
Where's Alec Baldwin when we need him??

Best one yet Bill.  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHh

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2023, 12:18:07 PM »
This


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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2023, 12:18:39 PM »
Hey guys , we could send over one of our ANZAC Frigates to take the thing down for you, if we can find enough crew to man the damn thing. Our Socialist Governments have almost achieved their defence goal of stripping our country of the ability to defend itself from outside threats. Like you guys, we long ago lost the ability to control our greatest threat - erosion of patriotism.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2023, 12:22:45 PM »
Just what would have happened if this was reversed.  I don't think China would have hesitated to destroy the balloon.  Todays politicians have no back bone and neither does some of our military leaders.  As soo as that balloon crossed over into our air space it should have disappeared in a flash.  If no response from the balloon to turn back our pilots that flew up there should have done it in. S?P
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2023, 01:24:42 PM »
Shot down about 22 minutes ago over the Atlantic and will be picked up.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2023, 01:29:45 PM »
Shot down about 22 minutes ago over the Atlantic and will be picked up.

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What took so long??
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2023, 02:04:39 PM »
Maybe safer over the ocean incase it was carrying something that could harm people on the ground. Radioactive crap or Bio Hazard etc. It is not like the Chinese have ever tried to send germs or anything else hazardous over here before while claiming it was not them.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2023, 02:24:59 PM »
           
                   NEWS FLASH

 A reputable news source within the NZ press gallery has just released a statement issued moments ago by the US Navy.

There is no reason to be alarmed. The report says previous beliefs that the object hovering above the USA was a spy balloon, is incorrect.

It has been determined that it is in fact the UFO previously thought to have crashed in Roswell in 1947.

The Navy has said 'Sorry ' for the mix up. No person has resigned over the matter, and mainstream news has no plans to report the incident.

More details will not be forthcoming.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2023, 04:35:01 PM »
    Now the thing to figure out is what was happening or being done while everyone was fixated on the balloon??!!

  Hey Ty!! It slipped by me by the time I heard it was over head. I think I would have had to go down by Buder Park to have seen it. Too bad it didn't lose altitude and get hung up on the Arch!!There were reports around here of a "4 engine jet flying in the vicinity of and altitude" of the balloon. I imagine it was being shadowed by an  EC-135 and other Air Force electronic counter measure aircraft while it was drifting over head. It got from Montana to here pretty quickly and the first thing I read this morning when I got up was a post on FB by a motorcycling friend of mine that lives in the hills of the Carolinas and that's not far to the ocean. I figured it would be down once it got that far. Now to see what the remains look like!!
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2023, 05:56:53 PM »
Set down in 47 feet of water to aid recovery.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2023, 05:25:16 AM »
Shot down after crossing and filming many military installations and radioing that back to spy ships off shore. Now the "gotaways" can plan their attack.
I may be wrong but I doubt it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2023, 07:33:58 AM »
It would be interesting to know how it was "flown".  Maybe someone on the ground with very long lines ?  Maybe RC using Tx and Rx from Horizon Hobbies? What type power? 
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2023, 08:47:06 AM »
If Trump was president that balloon would have been history as soon as it crossed into USA airspace.

“ Three Chinese spy balloons infiltrated the US during Trump administration but he never shot them down or told the public”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11714657/Three-Chinese-spy-balloons-infiltrated-Trump-administration.html

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2023, 09:23:50 AM »
Well, if it come from the uk, it must absolutely be true.

Just more fodder for the Trump hating slime balls.

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2023, 10:35:37 AM »
The balloon is down!  Oh, the humanity!

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2023, 11:56:50 AM »
“ Three Chinese spy balloons infiltrated the US during Trump administration but he never shot them down or told the public”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11714657/Three-Chinese-spy-balloons-infiltrated-Trump-administration.html

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2023, 12:27:02 PM »
President Trump and all of his National Security Staff have unequivocally denied the Fake News Propaganda from the mainstream media that he allowed any invasion of US Airspace. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2023, 01:28:09 PM »
So how did they control where the balloon was going to go in the upper atmoshere?  Even our weather balloons go only where the air currents take them.  If only these so calle educated people would have stayed awake in their class rooms or the teachers would have kbow what they were teaching. S?P
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2023, 01:48:45 PM »
This thread is great but it belongs in the humor section.

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2023, 02:13:07 PM »
President Trump and all of his National Security Staff have unequivocally denied the Fake News Propaganda from the mainstream media that he allowed any invasion of US Airspace.

      There are far too many people that spend the every waking moment looking to the sky for all sorts of things, like UFOs. Some are just aircraft spotters, hoping to see and maybe photograph something unusual. There is no way in HELL that three of these balloons could have made their way across the country like this one did without a very large number of people seeing the freaking thing!!! And I'm not talking about government or military agencies, I'm talking about citizens that are pretty adept at observing stuff like this. There is plenty of uninhabited country side, some of it government owned that this thing over flew, that it could have been brought down over, and even with debris scattered over miles of territory, been easier to recover any remains. . I'm sure that we know pretty much exactly what it was , and was probably pretty harmless, in that I hated that we wasted a perfectly good missile on it! Would not a few rounds of cannon fire been enough to burst the bubble and let it come down more slowly and in one piece??  It never should have got further than the Aleutians, which has water area for the shoot down, and more than enough desolate territory to avoid human contact. It got as far as it did for a reason, in my book, just have to find out why and whose decision it was to wait so long. I don't think Biden has the mental capacity  to comprehend it unless they were talking about Amtrak trains!! He doesn't make a move unless he checks with Jill first and has as much said so!!

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  PS to add; The fighters involves were reported to have used the call signs FRANKO1 and FRANKO2 in honor of a WW-1 pilot Lt. Frank Luke Jr  who was awarded the Medal of Honor for shooting down over a dozen enemy aircraft in just 10 days, including 10 enemy observation balloons, and a total of 14 balloons in all!! He was the first aviator to be awarded the M.O.H. for his actions. Kudos to our guys for giving this some cool context!!
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2023, 02:19:17 PM »
President Trump and all of his National Security Staff have unequivocally denied the Fake News Propaganda from the mainstream media that he allowed any invasion of US Airspace.


“Instances of this kind of balloon activity have been observed previously over the past several years,”
Pentagon Press Secretary - Pat Ryder


Actual Pentagon Briefing
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3287204/senior-defense-official-holds-a-background-briefing-on-high-altitude-surveillan/

Forbes article

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/?sh=1a8f28293ea3

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2023, 02:35:45 PM »

“Instances of this kind of balloon activity have been observed previously over the past several years,”
Pentagon Press Secretary - Pat Ryder


Actual Pentagon Briefing
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3287204/senior-defense-official-holds-a-background-briefing-on-high-altitude-surveillan/

Forbes article

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/?sh=1a8f28293ea3


   Sure is a whole lot of double talk and generalities going on in that press conference, like "Oh, it was harmless, not posing any danger to any one, unless it got shot out of the sky!!""   Also so very secretive about something that was reported to have happened in "previous administrations" and they wouldn't even allude to it's size?? That all just sounds too contrived and made up in my opinion.  Like I mentioned before, way too many sets of eyeballs in this country for no one to have ever seen one previously. Look at how easy this one was to see with the naked eye, and not to mention al the other tracking services and apps out there for following and tracking aircraft that have been around and in use for ages. I read one source, but having trouble finding it again, that said NORAD had DEFCON level up top 3 at one point?? Don't know how to verify that one.

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2023, 02:40:21 PM »
This thread is great but it belongs in the humor section.

Biden did finally do something to combat "inflation"  LL~
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2023, 02:52:32 PM »
Yep, he burst the rubber...now we are all screwed. H^^ H^^ H^^

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2023, 06:12:37 PM »
  Look what appeared when they got close look. Just like in the wizard of Oz.
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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2023, 06:48:03 PM »
Now if an airliner of ours accidently drifts into Chinese airspace kiss it good by.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2023, 07:25:17 PM »
BYU provides only unsubstantiated articles by anonymous sources that will not reveal who they are or the source of their less than stellar information.  While President Trump and his security staff are completely transparent about who they are and the veracity of their statements. Dan is right about this would have never gone unnoticed during Trump’s administration. Sort of like acne.
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2023, 07:36:02 PM »

  PS to add; The fighters involves were reported to have used the call signs FRANKO1 and FRANKO2 in honor of a WW-1 pilot Lt. Frank Luke Jr  who was awarded the Medal of Honor for shooting down over a dozen enemy aircraft in just 10 days, including 10 enemy observation balloons, and a total of 14 balloons in all!! He was the first aviator to be awarded the M.O.H. for his actions. Kudos to our guys for giving this some cool context!!

 Here you go Dan...

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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2023, 07:55:00 PM »
BYU provides only unsubstantiated articles by anonymous sources that will not reveal who they are or the source of their less than stellar information.

In what way is a briefing from the Pentagon from a Brigadier not substantiated?

BRIGADIER GENERAL PAT RYDER - Pentagon Briefing of Press

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3287204/senior-defense-official-holds-a-background-briefing-on-high-altitude-surveillan/

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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2023, 08:17:54 PM »
Read the transcript. Nothing provided by spokesman to the press offers any detailed proof or substantiation of any incursions into US airspace during the trump administration. His doublespeak is an embarrassment.

This reminds of alleged experts that tell you that 90% of computer hacks go undiscovered.  One of these experts said that to a group that I was with and I asked him how he could know something that was not known.  He became angry and tried to intimidate me.  I stood my ground and demanded his data.  He had none.

Same for this Air Force General.  He only had unknown sources and innuendo.  Too bad the media did not challenge him to provide the irrefutable proof that three incidents allegedly happened during President Trump's tenure.  His answer was that the incidents became known from supposed intelligence sources during the present administration.  How convenient. 

Dan is right,  these balloons are so huge that it is like the pimple on your nose.  Totally obvious.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2023, 08:19:54 AM by Tom McClain »
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2023, 09:37:41 PM »
this sounds like another item to divert peoples attention so our politicians can do something under cover. S?P
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2023, 10:40:09 PM »
this sounds like another item to divert peoples attention so our politicians can do something under cover. S?P


   Sure is, it got people's attention off the Classified files situation for at least a little while. Then Joe screwed this up also. Someone else may have made some decisions but Joe is Commander in Chief and ultimately responsible, is he not? Now the remains of the balloon will be washed up all long the east coast for any Tom , Dick or Harry to pick up as a souvenir, or washed back out to sea and never recovered.  They should have called up Snidely Whiplash and had him shoot it down with his pea shooter before it ever got close, let it land on some desolate stretch of land and have been easier to recover!
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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2023, 08:54:45 AM »
Trump was possibly not informed of the Chinese balloon incursion during his tenure as president.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/05/trump-officials-deny-chinese-spy-balloons-00081257

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2023, 09:07:04 AM »
Trump was possibly not informed of the Chinese balloon incursion during his tenure as president.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/05/trump-officials-deny-chinese-spy-balloons-00081257

   I have problems with this one also. Saying t hat they were monitored before off the coast of Virginia and even OVER Florida??  There is only one way that they could have gotten there and that would be to fly over the entire country, which contradicts what they say about previous incursions not over our boarders for very long. And keep the sky watching public in mind also!! People spend every waking hour looking for this stuff!! I'm not buying it.  I'm might have been born at night but it wasn't last night!!

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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2023, 09:36:25 AM »
I'd rather have some Chinese balloons drifting across the USA mainland than have the mass assault of illegal Democrats crossing our southern border. I'll ignore the Dreaded Canadian Stunt Contingent assault on our northern border for now! 

One thing I didn't ever see or hear about was what altitude this balloon was cruising at. Anybody? If low enough, I'd think some Alaskan bush pilot would have taken care of the problem. Or Confederate Airforce? Jeebus...  ~~> Steve
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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2023, 09:54:33 AM »
Trump was possibly not informed of the Chinese balloon incursion during his tenure as president.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/05/trump-officials-deny-chinese-spy-balloons-00081257
They won't give a date when these 3 balloons supposedly came into American airspace during Trumps presidency which they supposedly didn't know about until after he was out of office.
Are you really that gullible or does your hatred of Trump blind you from all logic and reason?
One would think that as many times as Lucy has yanked the football away at the last moment you guys might have learned by now that anonymous sources = Lies.

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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2023, 10:13:06 AM »
TDS is real and rampant within a certain segment.  y1 Steve

PS: I think Trump is a jerk, and I hope the GOP can come up with a good slate of candidates for 2024. I'm a Trey Gowdy fan. Look up some of the YT vids of him questioning various dirtbags before Congress. Here's an example.  y1 Steve

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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2023, 11:18:11 AM »
Trump was possibly not informed of the Chinese balloon incursion during his tenure as president.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/05/trump-officials-deny-chinese-spy-balloons-00081257

You believe that?  And I have real estate in Florida near Disney World!  Not!

This balloon entered US airspace in Alaska, went through western Canada and reentered US airspace in Idaho.  A civilian saw the huge helium ballon over Billings Montana.  NORAD knew about it  before it entered Alaska.  There are F-22s on alert in Alaska.  Why wasn't it shot down then over Alaska.  No conceivable harm to public!  President Trump would have demanded a public explanation from the Chinese and then shot it down.  Don't believe that?  Look at the Terrorist Masterminds and butchers he took out to the howling of the Fake News Media and Democrats.
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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2023, 11:56:01 AM »
Well, I guess it was inevitable, Mexico has launched a spy balloon.

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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2023, 01:11:19 PM »
I'd rather have some Chinese balloons drifting across the USA mainland than have the mass assault of illegal Democrats crossing our southern border. I'll ignore the Dreaded Canadian Stunt Contingent assault on our northern border for now! 

One thing I didn't ever see or hear about was what altitude this balloon was cruising at. Anybody? If low enough, I'd think some Alaskan bush pilot would have taken care of the problem. Or Confederate Airforce? Jeebus...  ~~> Steve


    Altitude was claimed to be 60,000 feet. That is quite high, and most of our similar research balloons through the years didn't operate that high. I would guess that since this thing had some maneuvering ability, that probably varied. Ability to ascend and descend gives you some control even with out anything else.  Lots more questions are being raised almost by the minute, and no believable answers yet as far as I'm concerned!! They knew it was there while over t5he Aleutian islands. Lots of water there, should have dispatched it then. Might have even been a bit lower.
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Re: the balloon.
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2023, 01:56:27 PM »

    Altitude was claimed to be 60,000 feet. That is quite high, and most of our similar research balloons through the years didn't operate that high. I would guess that since this thing had some maneuvering ability, that probably varied. Ability to ascend and descend gives you some control even with out anything else.  Lots more questions are being raised almost by the minute, and no believable answers yet as far as I'm concerned!! They knew it was there while over t5he Aleutian islands. Lots of water there, should have dispatched it then. Might have even been a bit lower.
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My first deployment in the Air Force, before I was sent to Southeast Asia, was at Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage.  I was the head of the DF (Direction Finding) shop and we actually worked for and reported directly to NSA and we spied on the Soviet Union.  They would fly their Bear Bombers directly toward the Aleutian Islands and when they got so far, we would scramble fighters out to intercept them.  They, of course, turned back but it was like one big game they liked to pursue.   We did not even have computers in the shop back then but the technology was good enough, with radar, to track them toward us.  If we could do that back then, believe me, we knew where the thing was all the time and it should have been shot down before it ever got to Alaska.  We just have a bunch of incompetent, lying, self centered and corrupt people in the Federal Govt. starting at the top.  There was absolutely no excuse to let this thing drift over the continental US before they took action. 

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Re: the balloon.
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2023, 01:57:21 PM »
Are you really that gullible or does your hatred of Trump blind you from all logic and reason?

In none of my posts have I stated a hatred of Trump, nor have I disparaged his personal appearance as you suggest. Clearly there is more to this story than the Pentagon are sharing with either the public / press or our former president.

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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2023, 02:05:10 PM »
In none of my posts have I stated a hatred of Trump. Clearly there is more to this story than the Pentagon are sharing with either the public / press or our former president.

Like what more do you suspect that the Biden regime is unwilling to disclose?
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« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2023, 02:06:23 PM »
Like what more do you suspect that the Biden regime is unwilling to disclose?

This was clearly before Biden, during Presidents Trumps period of office information was obviously being withheld.

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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2023, 02:07:13 PM »
In none of my posts have I stated a hatred of Trump, nor have I disparaged his personal appearance as you suggest. Clearly there is more to this story than the Pentagon are sharing with either the public / press or our former president.


  And it would not be the first time that the Government or the Pentagon was less than truthful!!!
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« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2023, 02:14:30 PM »
This was clearly before Biden, during Presidents Trumps period of office information was obviously being withheld.

And what demonstrable proof do you have access to to irrefutably prove the Trump administration covered up Chinese balloon overflights of the continental US and Hawaii?
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