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Offline Jake Moon

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Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« on: June 01, 2024, 09:57:49 PM »
Last year I moved to Singapore. I didn't take long to realize what a golden opportunity I had: My dad and I were going to go to the '24 NATS as we always do and probably stay to see some of the Worlds. But as a resident of Singapore for enough time, that also was enough to represent Singapore and FLY in the Worlds too! There were only a few issues: I didn't know the pattern and I didn't have a plane.

Thankfully the hobby shop scene in Singapore is pretty good and I got a Brodak Vector 40 ARF. My dad mailed me my lines and an LA 46. I built it on my apartment balcony and flew twice a week from January to April. In that time I finally learned the pattern (only took me 23 years) and put in about 60 flights. Then I came to America to build me plane. Here's what I ended up with: A Gieseke Nobler powered by an Irvine .36. Weight is 45 ounces. I had a disaster with removable vinyl stencils that became very permanent and pulled up acres of paint. The finish isn't what I was hoping, but clear helped hide it and overall I'm happy with it. First flights will take place tomorrow morning.

A big thanks to my dad (Steve Moon) for helping me with building and finishing the plane, my uncle (Doug Moon) for help learning the pattern, Matt Colan for loaning me a place to practice with while I built the Gieseke Nobler, and Mike Scott for sending me CL stuff all the way to Singapore. And thanks to my friends back in Singapore: my mentor Danny, my flying buddy VeeJay, and Mr. Ang the elder statesman of Singaporean CL. And also thanks to my wife Annika for being very enthusiastic about doing this and supporting me all the way.

My goal for the Worlds is to finish every flight and not finish last. We'll see what happens.
















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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2024, 10:08:19 PM »
Pretty build Jake! Good luck.

I’ve been to Singapore several times and lived there for a short time for work. Wonderful place!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2024, 11:25:45 PM »
Hi Jake,

Wow, what a wonderful story! I've often wondered how well a .35 size stunter could do at the world champs. With support from your dad and uncle Doug, you're in great hands! I'll be watching your performance and rooting for you at the world champs!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2024, 05:58:00 AM »
Very nice Jake!  Good luck and have fun!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2024, 06:29:14 AM »
Way to go Jake!!!! What a cool story. Your airplane looks great, especially the prop tips. You finally gave in to the force, you are hooked for life!!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2024, 06:33:11 AM »
Well done, See you in Muncie & GOOD LUCK!
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2024, 07:12:51 AM »
Way to go Jake!!!! What a cool story. Your airplane looks great, especially the prop tips. You finally gave in to the force, you are hooked for life!!
I agree.  What an opportunity.  With Luke and Obi Wan guiding him the force will be strong in him soon! 

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2024, 08:48:49 AM »
Great story Jake, and you are already winning just making it this far in that period of time. Find time to stop, look around and enjoy the show while you are at it. Steve is going to be one proud papa, as well as the rest of us, no matter the outcome. BTW, I'm digging the prop tips, and a real canopy! You've just given us all a reason to pay a little closer attention to this contest. Go Jake!
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2024, 09:07:52 AM »
Awesome, I want that muffler...lol
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2024, 10:47:11 AM »
Jake:

Bob is probably looking down on you right now, proud as can be and asking you to trim your landing gear wire back to the hub to get rid of all that excess weight. LL~

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2024, 11:02:19 AM »
Jake,

 Beautiful model! I just have one question; How does the cooling air get out of the cowl?
I don't see any exits.

Just wondering, Jerry

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2024, 03:20:43 PM »
The plane looks great!

But what has really blown my mind is the flying. last October (2023) at the Gleason's last annual fish fry and fun fly I helped Jake learn to fly inverted. Then we did a couple of inside squares. Him holding the handle and my hand on top for some guidance. Dad is left handed so I get to do some teaching. It's so fun when new flyers do their first real maneuvers and they see it. It's a blast.

He leaves very soon after for his new home in Singapore. Hooks up with the massive CLPA scene, a few guys, and gets going.  He sends me and his dad a few flying videos from time to time and we are like WOW this kids is getting on pretty good.

After the SGP School year is out and the wife is off duty for a bit they head to the states for some much needed friends and family time and a change of weather from the 89 degrees and 89% humidity EVERY DAY!

New USA Team member Matt Colan loans Jake his United classic plane to fly while Jake finishes his contest plane. A Gieseke Nobler. I mean can you really go wrong with a Gieseke Nobler? No, you can't.

I'm anxious to see Jake's flying and how he has progressed. First flight I saw was a full pattern and all i can say is WOW. Simply amazing to go from not even knowing how to do an outside round or an 8 of any kind to complete pattern. And a good one at that. The shapes are good the sizes are very close to correct. I was shocked when I saw it. He knows how to walk back when flying as well. It's amazing. After some time I asked if I could fly the United. Well it's not the most capable plane but it is consistent and rock solid in level flight. For him to be doing what he is doing with that plane makes it even more impressive. No offense to Matt, :). He did all of this on his own. I mean he is 9700 miles away. No way for us to "do it for him" he had to get in the trenches and figure it all out. That includes getting good motor runs. And we all know that can be a real nightmare at times.

Good job Jake and I can't wait to see more.

I can't wait to see him fly the G Nobler. 
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2024, 06:04:30 PM »
Got to see Jake over the last couple days and we got the first flights on the Gieseke Nobler. The finish is outstanding! You would have no idea that this was his first paint job, it looks like he’s been at it for years. Jake builds some incredible plastic model cars and his attention to detail really shows. The airplane looks awesome in the air as well! We had some motor and tank issues that we weren’t able to rectify in the time that he was at the house so we didn’t get as many flights as we had hoped he would. I have no doubts they will get sorted out quickly and Jake will have an airplane MUCH more capable than my United!

I echo everything that Doug said. When I gave him the United to fly, he got very comfortable very quickly with the airplane. He flew some damn good stunt with it and has gone from learning maneuvers to advanced level patterns in 7 months. 
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2024, 06:20:10 PM »
I echo everything that Doug said. When I gave him the United to fly, he got very comfortable very quickly with the airplane. He flew some damn good stunt with it and has gone from learning maneuvers to advanced level patterns in 7 months.


     That's what happens when you start with good equipment and good help, from nowhere to Advanced in way less than a year. We have several similar examples.

     This is why I think the skill classes are so obviously broken- what constitutes a "beginner" (and by extension, intermediate and advanced) means something completely different from when skill classes were invented. I am giving up on trying to fix it, because no one seems to find it much of a problem.

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2024, 09:06:05 AM »
Quite an accomplishment Jake...Walk out to that handle, take a deep breath and "go for it!"
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2024, 10:01:54 AM »
Awesome Jake!!
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2024, 11:42:48 AM »
Is this the same young lad that used to be at the VSC years ago doing drawings and spectating.  He comes from a great family and it looks like he listens to what he has been told.   Hope all goes well for him at the Worlds. H^^
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2024, 06:48:10 AM »
And Jake can say something that most can not....I flew in an F2B World Championship!

Way to go Jake!!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2024, 08:51:07 AM »
I was in Singapore on a business trip and got to fly with the club there.  Nice people, surprisingly good hobby shop, great balsa. 

Good luck. 
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2024, 04:18:10 PM »
Jake,

 Beautiful model! I just have one question; How does the cooling air get out of the cowl?
I don't see any exits.

Just wondering, Jerry

You took the words out of my mouth.  Great question.

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2024, 05:54:24 PM »
You took the words out of my mouth.  Great question.

We took care of it before flying the plane. It has an air outlet
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2024, 09:42:04 PM »
Those are some of the best decorated prop tops ever.  Myself, grass often sands off my painted prop tips.

Depends on where you fly, but I'd leave the hubs long in case wider wheels for grass are used later.

And good luck.  Thanks for writing!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2024, 07:10:57 AM »
Depends on where you fly, but I'd leave the hubs long in case wider wheels for grass are used later.
You are right of course, my comment earlier was a bit of an inside joke.

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2024, 03:58:23 PM »
And Jake can say something that most can not....I flew in an F2B World Championship!

Way to go Jake!!

See you in Muncie

He sure can say that!! 
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2024, 03:12:05 PM »
I had the pleasure of meeting Jake at Brodaks.  This was a great shake-down cruise for him.  And what better place to fix any engine or airframe problems?  Plus: he flew really well!  Jake: Singapore is really lucky to have you on their World Team!  Good luck!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2024, 11:29:30 AM »
I was amazed to see how well Jake flies for having only completed 70ish patterns. Ever. Jake worked hard all week trimming his Nobler flight after flight after flight and sorting through the abundance of advice he was given. By the end of the week the airplane was rebuilt (a flap departed during flight), tank replaced (original tank was too small), engine replaced (worn out), and I think back to the original prop. He finished 4th in PA Advanced. I am sure Jake can share many more details.

Good luck at the worlds, Jake!

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2024, 09:43:34 PM »
Way to go Jake.  Show the old men how to fly. H^^
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2024, 11:21:30 AM »
Thanks for the kind comments, everyone!

To answer some questions:
1. Cooling: Matt Colan and I Dremeled out a big hole in the cowl before its first flight.
2. Yes, this is the same Jake that was drawing planes at the VSC a couple decades ago, and I sadly haven't gotten any better at drawing planes.

The first 25-ish flights on this plane have been eventful! The Irvine 36 wouldn't run consistently (or start most of the time). After replacing everything except the motor, we ditched it for an old OS 40 FP that Doug gave me.

At Brodak's the troubles continued. Trouble starting, inconsistent runs, difficult needle etc. I put in a new tank but it didn't solve everything. Several people helped me out the first couple days but in particular Joe Gilbert was all over it. We got it running well enough for me to finish 3rd in Classic Advanced, which I was thrilled with.

The next day the Nobler had a day off because I was flying in Old Time. My first order of business: learn the Old Time pattern. So I break out my 10-year-old Stinger that I flew once in my life and promptly discovered that it's horrendous! Way too heavy, way too sensitive, and a nightmare to fly. And everyone could see it too. So much so that Denny Thomas, whom I had only met a couple hours earlier, insisted that I fly one of his Ringmasters instead. His kindness was much appreciated and I finished 5th out of 8 in Old Time Advanced. It was a lot of fun and I intend to fly some more Old Time again. Just not with a Stinger.

Back to the Gieseke Nobler and things were not going well. Every flight the engine ran differently. My first flight in PA Advanced was rough. A 437. And it really was that bad. I'd love to blame the motor run but I was just extremely nervous and flew terrible. And since I flew first I had the whole day to sulk! During afternoon practice I asked Mike Alimov how he ran his 40 FPs and he came and looked my motor and watched a couple flights. He diagnosed the engine with bad a bad connecting rod and extreme wear. Time to find another motor. John Paris informed me that Jay Williams had an FP 40 on a plane so we went to have a look. It felt pretty good. Jay told me I could borrow it, which I am grateful for. But then when we got back to my plane I remembered a problem: The motor mounts are drilled for the Irvine 36, which has different mounting holes than anything else that has ever existed, apparently. So the FP 40 I was using had drilled out mounting lugs. And I certainly wasn't going to tear up a borrowed motor. So Mike Alimov took the guts out of Jay's good motor and put them in my drilled crankcase. The motor ran great. And to my relief, Jay later sold me the motor so we wouldn't have to take everything back apart!

But just as everything looked like it was going to work out, on my test flight of the rebuilt motor one of the flaps flew off! This is about the moment in the week when I realized I might not be as good at Control Line as Dave, Paul, and Derek. Turns out all the control surfaces were coming out! Scott Richen and Peter Klosky came to my aid and helped me epoxy and pin them back into place.

The next day it was finally time for my second flight. I wasn't nearly as nervous—I now had confidence that my engine was going to run decent and my plane would stay in one piece. That is until it dawned on me that as the last person flying in the biggest category on the final day I was the last flight of the entire week and there was a bit of a crowd watching. Given the week I'd had I don't blame them! But it all worked out. The engine and plane worked well and I flew about as well as I could have. I got a 511—my first 500+ score—and finished 4th. I am ecstatic with that.

Brodak's was a great time and my plane got most of the bugs sorted out (I hope). The generosity of the control line community was in full display that week. Many people helped, but in particular I should thank Joe Gilbert, Mike Palko, Denny Thomas, John Paris, Jay Williams, Sparky, Scott Richen, Peter Klosky and especially Mike Alimov for the time, advice, and stuff they gave me.

I'm now feeling a little bit better about my 2 goals: not finish last and finish every flight. But I have a new goal from my learnings this week: not yelling "what the hell was that!?" so loudly that the judges can hear it after blowing a maneuver. That may take some time.

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2024, 12:36:40 PM »
I'm now feeling a little bit better about my 2 goals: not finish last and finish every flight. But I have a new goal from my learnings this week: not yelling "what the hell was that!?" so loudly that the judges can hear it after blowing a maneuver. That may take some time.
Five years and I still can't keep my mouth shut when flying.  You are definitely not encouraged to go electric. Given the opportunity, judges like giving scores you agree with. :o LL~

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2024, 12:46:04 PM »
It looks like you had quite a neat experience.  I fly R/C pattern as well and the judges are literally sitting 10ft behind you.  After a particularly bad flight one of the judges thanked me for pointing out all of the mistakes I made; it made his job easier.  Lesson learned, no more commentary while flying,  mum is the word.

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2024, 01:05:01 PM »
Jake that was a teeth cutting experience!  Hope you get it ironed out.   Should you still be having issues when you get to Muncie look me up.  I'll have two Open class airplanes and a Classic ship with me.  We'll get you in the air.  I won't be flying in the Worlds but I'll still be there for the full two weeks+.

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2024, 08:43:35 PM »
Now you know the modeling comunity is the greatest.   Also ypu learned not to talk while flying. D>K S?P
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2024, 06:31:52 AM »
wondering if a thunder tiger 36 would be your best bet , or a aero tiger 36 .( to fit the irvine bolt holes )
but therfes a Magnum 44 thats a FP 40 bored & stroked , turn another inch of prop , or choked down for consistancy .
( I was dragging 60  ounces with one , the FP 40 after in it you noticed the lack of tourque . )Tho a LA 46 'd be much the same .
The 44 is sorta a FSR 45 plain bearing . ( I use 4 inch pitch onem .  12 x 4's 180 / .190 intake . )

You want the set & forget , across a range of barometric skullduggery . So NITRO would ease any criticality , bar range . S?P

Good to see you at it .

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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2024, 07:13:25 AM »
When I saw Jake's second round score from Brodak's I was blown away. A 511 and 4th place, amazing!
I was talking with Jake each day of the contest and I know it was a trying experience for him. I told him
afterward that I was really proud of the way he stuck with it and persevered, and I am really impressed
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Re: Team Singapore for the F2B Worlds and a New Plane
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2024, 03:35:34 PM »
The amount of hurdles Jake covered that one week of flying is more than many go through in a whole season or two of flying. This is a right of passage as a controliner, we have all been through it. Many times over the years I have wondered how the model airplane hobby actaully survived the early days of constant battles and frustrations. I guess we are a different bread who really like to bang our heads against the wall at times.  You have to learn by fire in this little world we play in. And it's usually best if you just get in there and hack through it yourself, with a little direction here and there of course. He has learned a ton and it shows. Can't wait to see what the next few years will bring.
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