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Title: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on April 24, 2006, 07:19:45 AM: I got a picture of Chris's (Harleyman) T-38.

I need to see more!!!!

How about a close up of that spinner?

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Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: RC Storick on April 24, 2006, 07:25:53 AM: This is not SSW you can post bigger pics here if needed.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 24, 2006, 07:49:02 AM: I'm glad you lost my head, it makes the airplane look nicer ;D

Is this photo too big? Check out the power-on landing, highly modified prop. y1
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 24, 2006, 07:57:16 AM: Some more info:
52 1/4" wingspan
FP 40 (old case=lighter) with ABC piston/liner
Custom built Tom Morris controls
Hollow stab and fuse
40" long
It will have Rustoleum/Monokote finish. I'm doing the filets right now, then on to final sanding.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on April 24, 2006, 09:37:38 AM: Hey this would make a great picture for Control Line World.
All we need is your permission to send it in??? b1

b1 j1 Hey what size prop is that? And what kind of RPM's will it turn?
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Ironbomb on April 24, 2006, 09:41:04 AM: Hey Chris, how far below the wing did you put the horizontal stab? I already told you how freekin awesome this plane is looking. Definatly Thunderbird paint.

Way to go man y1

Greg
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Joe Connelly on April 24, 2006, 09:48:00 AM: Eat your hearts out guys. I got to see it in person. Very good workmanship, and it,s going to be a pretty plane when it's done. Chris is really moving up with this one.
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Joe Connelly
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 24, 2006, 10:14:35 AM: Quote from: Ironbomb on April 24, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
Hey Chris, how far below the wing did you put the horizontal stab? I already told you how freekin awesome this plane is looking. Definatly Thunderbird paint.

Way to go man y1

Greg

Greg,
The stab is about an inch below the wing centerline on the very bottom of the fuse. I just might attempt to do the Thunderbird scheme - - - dunno. 8)
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Ironbomb on April 24, 2006, 12:08:02 PM: Well Chris, however you finish it, its gonna be tits 8) If you fly it as good as it looks, you gonna be the next world champ y1 No doubt about it.

Greg
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Randy Powell on April 24, 2006, 01:52:51 PM: Hmmm. Does it qualify for P-40 with the blocks on the back?
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Leester on April 24, 2006, 05:17:13 PM: Did you build this from plans or your own creation?
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 24, 2006, 05:48:38 PM: Quote from: Leester on April 24, 2006, 05:17:13 PM
Did you build this from plans or your own creation?

It's my own, I was inspired by a plane that Dave Rees had published in MAN back in 1975 I think.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Steve Helmick on April 24, 2006, 08:48:02 PM: "Hmmm. Does it qualify for P-40 with the blocks on the back?"

Well, it's not legit for the NW version of the P.40 rules. Which is too bad, I might add. It seems to me that it is pretty obviously a profile. Mostly. Pretty much. Ah, well.

Should be a really nice looking PROFILE, I'd say. I guess the T-38 must have been USAF only, but I have a confession. I don't go to watch the T-Birds, and if they were to come here, I'd leave town. Every time I saw the Thunderbirds or was in a town when they were there, one crashed and was killed. Started at Maxwell AFB, Montgomery, AL, circa 1955. Not sure what they were flying, but I remember seeing the plane crash and cloud of smoke. I think it's happened 3 times. Not good. :'( Steve
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Randy Powell on April 25, 2006, 11:36:22 AM: >>Well, it's not legit for the NW version of the P.40 rules.<<

Too bad. I really like this.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: wwwarbird on April 25, 2006, 03:29:28 PM: I like this a LOT. I might sound like a liar, but I was thinking of designing a profile T-38 from scratch a few months ago. I just skipped it at the time 'cuz I've got too many things started already. What I had in my head is about exactly what you're showing here. You've done a very nice job with the design. This could easily be adapted into an F-4 Phantom type model too. The laminated aft fuselage should really stiffen things up back there.
Could we see a photo of the main L/G block to rib joints, I'd just like to see how someone else does them. I think I typically overbuild in that area, possibly adding unnecessary weight.
The Thunderbird scheme would be really nice, and there are some really neat Aggressor schemes that could be done also. The blue Aggressor scheme in particular with some panel line detail would be super cool and make a great looking model.
Please tell me you'll be drawing up some plans ;D I'll take a set as soon as they are ready ;D
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Robert Gross on April 26, 2006, 07:36:57 PM: Its looking good. If you wanted to see if you could duplicate it. I could drop some Balsa off. That would be an easy way for me to double my fleet. Since it is taking me a year to attempt to build my first plane by myself. Yea that is a nice plane.

RGCREW
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 27, 2006, 09:31:59 AM: Thanks for all the kind words guys.
I don’t have any plans drawn up right now, just specs/dimensions, but if there is enough interest, I could investigate having some drawn up. It’s simple enough that most anyone could build it from pictures and dimensions.
I used the Tom Morris New Millennium Wing construction technique. The stabilizer has a span of 24” that is hollow, trussed and sheeted similar to many others. The controls are reversed due to the low stabilizer location (flap horn on bottom and elevator horn on top). The Fuse has been hollowed out in the rear covered by the hollowed triplers. It’s the hollowed triplers that cover the controls.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on April 27, 2006, 05:33:53 PM: Chris,

Looks like the nose gear is mounted off the engine bolts. But, we really can't see from that view. Is that how you did it?

It is a GREAT looking airplane!
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 27, 2006, 07:18:11 PM: Quote from: Tom Niebuhr on April 27, 2006, 05:33:53 PM
Chris,

Looks like the nose gear is mounted off the engine bolts. But, we really can't see from that view. Is that how you did it?

It is a GREAT looking airplane!

Thanks Tom.

No, it's not off the Engine bolts. ;) I agree that the second photo looks like that. In fact the wire has a right angle bend that is pushed into a hole drilled in the fuse just behind the motor and into the upper motor mount.
It will have one or two plastic landing gear clips holding it in place similar to the single gear on a Flite Streak.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Wynn Robins on April 27, 2006, 07:51:17 PM: Chris, looks good. How much did you modify the plan? You use the vector wing rib templates I sent ya?

Would have looked nice as a full fuse too (per plan) but the way you have done the profile looks pretty sweet.......

whats the covering gonna be? film??

W
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on April 27, 2006, 09:24:21 PM: Thanks Wynn.
Dave Rees plane was the inspiration, but nothing is the same.
I did not use his plan for this one.
Yes, I did use your tracings for the outlines of the ribs, I needed a proven airfoil, thanks for that, but different wing construction completely.
Yup, going to use Monokote film and Rustoleum.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Wynn Robins on April 27, 2006, 10:17:15 PM: mate it is nice looking.........cant wait to see it finished
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on May 09, 2006, 12:46:37 PM: Chris we need an update!!!!

Where are the pictures????
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: wwwarbird on May 09, 2006, 04:59:04 PM: Please make sure you post pics when she's done.

Thanks! **)
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on May 09, 2006, 06:13:43 PM: Not much progress. The fillets are now done and I've begun sanding. Next step will be sealing and final sanding. I'm trying to decide between Sig Sanding sealer and Polycrylic to seal it. Any preferences, pros, cons?

Here are some photos from tonight.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on May 09, 2006, 06:15:43 PM: Two more, top and bottom.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on May 10, 2006, 08:52:29 AM: Hey Chris,
I hope you don't mind but while you were out I put a coat of primer on your plane.
Just to help speed you along. ~>

Paul **)
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Leester on May 10, 2006, 09:35:43 AM: Paul: You need to clean your spray equipment. **) **) **) **) **) **) **) **) j1 j1 j1 j1 j1 j1 j1 j1 >:D >:D >:D >:D x:
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on May 10, 2006, 01:38:55 PM: Well I figure he will sand most of it off. y1
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: wwwarbird on May 10, 2006, 05:19:13 PM: It's looking GREAT. As far as sealing goes, I would just dope and silkspan everything and not use sanding sealer at all, but that's just me. Once it's all covered just prime, fill, sand etc. as necessary then paint away.
I can see myself building a copy and I'm really looking forward to seeing this one finished (but don't rush it). y1 Thanks for the pics! y1
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on May 10, 2006, 05:37:32 PM: Thank you very much. With family, wife, kids, I'm finding it takes me a loooong time to complete an airplane.

I do like Paul's primer coat though. Thanks for the help Paul! When I first saw that earlier today it made me laugh. **) Good one. Please continue to apply final color also. Maybe I'll have it in the air quicker that way. ;D
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Wynn Robins on May 10, 2006, 07:06:06 PM: final colours.......
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on May 10, 2006, 07:19:26 PM: SWEET! y1
Now I just need to mount the hardware and I'm set.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on May 10, 2006, 08:24:28 PM: See Chris,
All you needed was a little help from your friends.

Good job Wynn. Is that dope or monokote?

I was not sure if you could put monokote over primer. <=
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Wynn Robins on May 10, 2006, 08:55:42 PM: its SIG aerokote.... HA HA....it sticks to primer and all sorts.......

would have put the USA stuff the side too...but ran outta time
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: frank carlisle on May 11, 2006, 07:23:31 AM: Wynn,
What program did you use to put the colors on the T-38?

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Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Ironbomb on May 11, 2006, 11:22:24 AM: Hey Wynn, you were real close to the proper Thunderbird scheme that I think Chris should paint. It would look great as the solo ship..... ;D

Greg
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Wynn Robins on May 11, 2006, 03:21:46 PM: yep, was trying to get it to the same kinda look......I got a pic of the T-38 in the thunderbird colours....it is a bit different to the F16 shot as above.

Frank, I just use good old PC paint.......I use it to do a lot of my schemes....and Gregs...... ...
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Paul Taylor on June 03, 2006, 09:22:18 PM: Need an updated picture please!!!
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: john e. holliday on June 04, 2006, 08:17:03 PM: Why wouldn't this plane qualify for P-40? The front half is definately profile. The latter half can be up to 1 inch maybe more as it looks like the turtle deck is profile. I know I would let it fly in my contest. DOC Holliday
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on June 05, 2006, 09:23:38 AM: Not much to report. I have since painted it with basic white Rustoleum and covered the wings with white Monokote.
Before I invest more time in a fancy trim scheme, I want to see how it fly’s first. This week I hope to mount the flaps, elevators, engine and tank. It might be ready to fly this weekend. #^
I’ll try to post some pictures later tonight.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Crist Rigotti on June 05, 2006, 10:59:23 AM: Chris,
Are you coming to the Milwaukee contest? If so bring it along for a photo shoot!
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on June 05, 2006, 05:22:28 PM: Crist,

I'm going to try to make it to the Milwaukee contest, I just need some details on where and when.

Here is a picture with real paint and Monokote. y1
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Wynn Robins on June 05, 2006, 05:43:53 PM: looking GOOD!!!!!!
need me to finish the trim?? huh huh do ya????
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what spinner is that>????? I like i!
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: Harleyman on June 05, 2006, 07:03:28 PM: Thanks Wynn.
I really wish I could have you finish it up. That's a talent that I do not have.
The spinner is an 1-3/4 Needle Nose from Randy Smith.

I just started to epoxy the hinges tonight. What a mess that is. After I was already waist deep in to it, I figured out a better way to keep the mess down.
Title: Re: T-38 Bones
Post by: RC Storick on June 05, 2006, 07:17:25 PM: Quote from: Harleyman on June 05, 2006, 07:03:28 PM
I just started to epoxy the hinges tonight. What a mess that is. After I was already waist deep in to it, I figured out a better way to keep the mess down.

It's called RC 56 canopy glue. Looks good!