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Offline Les McDonald

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Survey Monkey?
« on: June 19, 2023, 07:24:05 PM »
A Survey Monkey/ PAMPA request showed up in my spam folder this evening and would like to know if it's for real.
Anybody know?
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2023, 07:56:12 PM »
A Survey Monkey/ PAMPA request showed up in my spam folder this evening and would like to know if it's for real.
Anybody know?

FWIW, I didn't get anything....but I"m a new member/nobody.
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2023, 07:59:32 PM »
Les,
I received something for Survey Monkey as well.  May be associated with Tim Stagg.  Was going to review tomorrow at work.  Perhaps Tim will chime in here.
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2023, 08:24:43 PM »
It appears legit.  I got one from "tstag@...." and answered it.  It doesn't ask ANY personal information but it does record your IP.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2023, 08:28:43 PM »
I think it’s a legitimate PAMPA survey.  I filled it out, then regretted giving my data to the Monkey. 
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2023, 09:19:43 PM »
It’s a real survey. A group of us on the PAMPA planning committee have been working hard on creating a vision for PAMPA, short, medium and long term. The survey is a first step towards us working towards our goal in growing PAMPA and CLPA!
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2023, 07:02:20 AM »
Yes guys, it is for real , I am part of a committee put together by Mark Weiss that is looking at how we can rebuild/revise/strengthen/improve PAMPA. This is one of our first steps to poll current PAMPA to get your feedback.

We will also be doing a survey for past members to see why they left the organization.

We would really appreciate it is you take 5 minutes to respond.

Thanks so much
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2023, 03:06:53 PM »
If it showed up in my spam section it didn't get opened.   H^^
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2023, 11:46:40 AM »
Yes guys, it is for real , I am part of a committee put together by Mark Weiss that is looking at how we can rebuild/revise/strengthen/improve PAMPA. This is one of our first steps to poll current PAMPA to get your feedback.

We will also be doing a survey for past members to see why they left the organization.

We would really appreciate it is you take 5 minutes to respond.

Thanks so much

Did you send the survey to all current members?
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2023, 09:59:59 AM »
Okay then, I'll get to it and thanks for the responses.
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2023, 05:46:49 PM »
Several months ago, I asked Scott Richlin, District IV Director to head a committee for the purpose of establishing a 5 year plan for PAMPA. This is a huge undertaking but one that is critical to our growth and survival. Scott, District ! Director Jim Barry, Tim Stagg, District Viii Director Matt Colon, and I make up the committee where I try to be in the background to let these very capable guys develop the plan. One of the earliest needs we had was feedback from our members. Given our constraints, Survey Monkey was our best path but had a price tag of $300/year.
 
With our 50th Anniversary Banquet taking a sizeable chunk from our bank account, Jim, Scott, and Tim each donated $100 to make the survey happen. How many others would have done that? That is dedication and commitment!
 
We had talked about sending an email to all members advising them of the survey but time and work load got in the way. So, to Les and the others who got caught by surprise, I take responsibility for that omission. I don't know what we could have done to make sure the surveys would not end up in SPAM folders; that is beyond my limited knowledge. Completing the surveys is vital to the committee and our future.

 Thank you guys and many others for taking the time to see what we sent and completing the survey.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2023, 08:03:58 PM »
FYI:  Our PAMPA Planning Committee reviewed the first responses tonight.  They are very interesting, but not necessarily unexpected.  So far, 96 of you have responded.  But we need ALL PAMPA members to respond as your answers could prove critical to how we plan our future.

We will also be sending out a survey to former PAMPA members to get their input.

We are really hoping that we can get a good response to these first two surveys as we plan to include a presentation of their results in the NATs PAMPA meeting.  The bigger the response, the more representational they will be.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2023, 11:00:19 AM »
So far, 96 of you have responded.  But we need ALL PAMPA members to respond as your answers could prove critical to how we plan our future.

I'm a PAMPA member and I didn't receive a survey. 
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2023, 11:35:41 AM »
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I'm a PAMPA member and I didn't receive a survey. 

PM me your name and email so we can send a survey to you.

Thanks

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2023, 11:57:42 AM »
And my apologies for not picking up on this sooner.  I see it's the third time you mentioned it.

This is our first go-round on using a survey so we are making mistakes as we climb the learning curve.   Thinking about communications, PAMPA has a web-site and a newsletter (Stunt News).  These are very valuable, but are basically one-way communication devices (from PAMPA to you.)  StuntHanger is extremely valuable because it is a two-way communication device (as in, you can reply to what is posted and conversations can be conducted.  Information can be exchanged, ideas discussed, and everyone should come out the far end a bit more informed and educated.)  So is the PAMPA facebook page.

The surveys are a bit different.  I think of them as a focused two-way communication device.  And you will see that over the next 12 months (which is the duration of our SurveyMonkey purchase) as we conduct more surveys.  And we can make some of these surveys "deep dives" into topics of great importance to our stunt community.  What we find out from these surveys may help inform and guide us as we plan PAMPA's future, but it will depend on diligent participation.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2023, 12:49:25 PM »
PM me your name and email so we can send a survey to you.

Thanks

Sent.  Thanks.
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2023, 02:09:05 PM »
Steve:

Check your in-box.  It should be there.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2023, 06:06:59 PM »
I responded to the survey. I hope every member responds so we can hear what the membership really wants out of PAMPA.

Thanks,
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2023, 04:44:23 PM »
I didnt receive a survey. Checked spam too!

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2023, 06:58:59 PM »
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I didnt receive a survey. Checked spam too!

Tom

Hi Tom:

I just sent your email address to Tim.  You'll be getting the survey shortly (Tim is pretty responsive but not sure he'll have access until tomorrow.)

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2023, 07:04:02 PM »
By the way, I think we are up to 50% of PAMPA members having responded.  I understand that for a typical survey that number is a very good response.

If you are a PAMPA member and have not received the survey, please PM your email to me or Tim.

Thanks,
Scott

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2023, 09:05:48 PM »
Kind of curious as to what EC is looking for here. Is there a change for PAMPA in the future?  PAMPA is the SIG to the AMA for CLPA. It's sole job is to run and administer the Nats for the AMA, or has that changed?

Before the internet the PAMPA news letter was the be all end all for connecting modelers coast to coast and then some. I learned a ton from it with every new edition. When the internet came into play info was and is instant and the need for the news letter for articles of construction and finishing ideas fell away. But that doesn't really have much to do with the original mission statement. 
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2023, 07:23:30 PM »
Kind of curious as to what EC is looking for here. Is there a change for PAMPA in the future?  PAMPA is the SIG to the AMA for CLPA. It's sole job is to run and administer the Nats for the AMA, or has that changed?

   I found the slant of it a bit, well, "interesting" as well, as well as the followup letter using the phrase "grow our association". As before, everyone would be great with the idea of more people flying competition/National-level stunt, but as before, within the PAMPA charter of "giving a voice for the competition pilots in the running of the National Championship". For the most part, we have been wildly successful at that, I think that we have already very extensively dealt with the issue of "mission creep". While I am sure renewing that discussion would not be as acrimonious as it was before, I do not relish rehashing it.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2023, 09:03:47 AM »
   I found the slant of it a bit, well, "interesting" as well, as well as the followup letter using the phrase "grow our association". As before, everyone would be great with the idea of more people flying competition/National-level stunt, but as before, within the PAMPA charter of "giving a voice for the competition pilots in the running of the National Championship". For the most part, we have been wildly successful at that, I think that we have already very extensively dealt with the issue of "mission creep". While I am sure renewing that discussion would not be as acrimonious as it was before, I do not relish rehashing it.

      Brett

We had a Pampa meeting last night,  and the results of the survey were discussed.  I didn't get any nefarious vibes from the guys who organized it. Most of the data acquired was what I expected.  The majority of PAMPA members that responded to the survey are builders, contest participants, and roughly half have contributed in some way to their local contest. 

I don't believe the current EC has any interest in rehashing the past wars. I believe all members to be acting in good faith.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2023, 09:20:52 AM »
We had a Pampa meeting last night,  and the results of the survey were discussed.  I didn't get any nefarious vibes from the guys who organized it. Most of the data acquired was what I expected.  The majority of PAMPA members that responded to the survey are builders, contest participants, and roughly half have contributed in some way to their local contest. 

I don't believe the current EC has any interest in rehashing the past wars. I believe all members to be acting in good faith.

Derek

  Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I assume everyone is acting in what they think is the best interest of PAMPA, without some of the personality issues that have plagued us in the past. The survey did seem to ask some pointed questions, but I suppose if you don't ask, you may not know. Fair enough .

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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2023, 11:56:51 AM »
  Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I assume everyone is acting in what they think is the best interest of PAMPA, without some of the personality issues that have plagued us in the past. The survey did seem to ask some pointed questions, but I suppose if you don't ask, you may not know. Fair enough .

        Brett

No worries, I just wanted to bring everyone up to speed. See you in a little over a week.

When do you hit the road?

Derek

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2023, 04:07:16 PM »
Hello!  Honestly, I believe I can understand the purpose of the survey but I would like to "throw a rock in the water" so to speak.  I have been an active builder for well over 60 years and for the past 30 plus years, a life member of the AMA.  I started out with control line, transitioning to radio control and resuming control line over the past twelve or thirteen years.  Over this period, I have participated in a number of regional control line events for both fun and competition.  Granted, I'm not all that good but that's mainly by choice.  However, over all this span of time, I'm not nor have I been a member of PAMPA.  Why?  I never saw a need, benefit or purpose.  Would my responses and or experiences be useful to this survey?  I would wonder how many other fellow builder/flyers are like me and would the input of those fellows (assuming they can be reached for response) be useful to the future goals of the organization.

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2023, 05:36:26 PM »
Hello!  Honestly, I believe I can understand the purpose of the survey but I would like to "throw a rock in the water" so to speak.  I have been an active builder for well over 60 years and for the past 30 plus years, a life member of the AMA.  I started out with control line, transitioning to radio control and resuming control line over the past twelve or thirteen years.  Over this period, I have participated in a number of regional control line events for both fun and competition.  Granted, I'm not all that good but that's mainly by choice.  However, over all this span of time, I'm not nor have I been a member of PAMPA.  Why?  I never saw a need, benefit or purpose.  Would my responses and or experiences be useful to this survey?  I would wonder how many other fellow builder/flyers are like me and would the input of those fellows (assuming they can be reached for response) be useful to the future goals of the organization.

Jim

     I think I can answer most of your question, Jim. PAMPA isn't just a generic special interest group for control line models in general. It's purpose is to focus on the precision aerobatics event. In the time span that you describe, that is the same time period where PAMPA was established and grew along with the then great numbers of people that were starting up in the event or coming back into it. Keep in mind also that this was pre-internet, as I'm sure you are aware. All the C/L disciplines experienced similar increased interest and growth. Before that, any person starting out had to seek help where he could find it and while the AMA could cover all bases at first, when things got really busy, it became time for the SIG, or the special interest group for each discipline. PAMPA was established in the mid 70's and along the road of it's history it was there to cover all the changes in design and technology, and PAMPA"s Stunt News newsletter and then magazine was looked on as a number one source for good technical information if you needed it. Just think about the greats of the event that have been along for the ride, and they were all pretty free with their time and technology. If you wanted to get better at stunt and move up the ranks of the skill classes, you NEEDED to be a member just so you could get Stunt News. You were not going to find the same stuff in the model magazines, although they did the best they could with having to include all the other discipline of the hobby in between the covers. People were posting in and writing articles for Stunt News that never did write for the magazines. Just about anything that you can find in Stunt Hanger in regards to getting started in flying stunt, with the exception of the current electric technologies, you can find in Stunt News. I treasure my collection of them. I first joined in the late 80's or early 90's and have kept all of mine, plus added the early years as I could find them. I  don't think any of the other C/L disciplines have equaled what the people that produced Stunt News has put out. We have come to a point in history, not just in stunt but the hobby industry in general, that is nothing like anything that has been experienced. You can read in letters to the editor in the old magazines that people were concerned about just what is happening now, though. It just took a lot longer for things to formulate. There was even B.O.M rule debates back in the 40's, 50's and 60's! But I never thought I would see a time where I would have trouble buying a good, reasonably priced glow plug, or that balsa wood supplies and prices would bet this out of hand, and when you couple that with just a simple, large scale lack of interest by newcomers to get involved in the hobby at ANY level, that spells genuine trouble to me. If the purpose is to grow PAMPA, you need the same one thing that you need to grow anything and that is seed. Who are the new people coming in and where are they coming from. I have always held and still hold the belief that you can NOT make some one want to do this hobby.  This hobby is NOT for everyone because many of them simply will NOT be able to do it at any level. People are VERY different these days, in their temperament, patience, skills and ability to learn. But having said that, if there is ONE person that wants to give it a shot, he needs access to something like PAMPA to help flatten the learning curve. I have spent MANY, many hours over 17 years talking with people standing in the hot sun at Oshkosh while I took their kids on their introductory C/L flight at KidVenture, so I think I have a pretty good insight into the subject. I think the total since Kidventure began was over 45,000 I think and a pretty healthy chunk of that number are "my" kids!!  One statistic that I would like to know is how many took the next step? My guess is that it's in the single digit percentages, but at least we try. With all those kids and adults that we gave flights to, you might be surprised at how many turn their backs and walked away, just not impressed or interested. That isn't talked about very much but I'm here to tell you I have seen them. These people are the seed we have to start with. You are not going to reap very much at harvest with seed stock like that. If the purpose is to grow PAMPA, I think it will have to be done with establishing a very good field in which to grow. And that means an organization that will welcome raw beginners of all kinds. It can't be just  for or geared toward the elite NATS pilot. It took me 17 years to go from my first beginners contest until I finally won my first Expert class event, and PAMPA was a big part of that all along the way. That's what they need to set up PAMPA for, and that is what PAMPA needs to be set up for , so that the next guy like me can count on it to be there 17 years from now. But even that statement leads to another question, are the next generation of C'L stunt modelers in it for the long haul?? This ain't gonna happen over night.
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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2023, 05:45:47 PM »
No worries, I just wanted to bring everyone up to speed. See you in a little over a week.

When do you hit the road?

Derek

  July 5 to Salt Lake City (778 miles), July 6 to York, Nebraska (856 Miles) , July 7 to National Aeromodeling Center, I forget which city (744 miles).

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Re: Survey Monkey?
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2023, 01:31:43 PM »
     "I think I can answer most of your question, Jim. PAMPA isn't just a generic special interest group for control line models in general. It's purpose is to focus on the precision aerobatics event. In the time span that you describe, that is the same time period where PAMPA was established and grew along with the then great numbers of people that were starting up in the event or coming back into it. Keep in mind also that this was pre-internet, as I'm sure you are aware. All the C/L disciplines experienced similar increased interest and growth. Before that, any person starting out had to seek help where he could find it and while the AMA could cover all bases at first, when things got really busy, it became time for the SIG, or the special interest group for each discipline. ...."
Hello Dan!  Thank you for your timely and thoughtful response.  It makes great sense and provides a wonderful explanation as to the current state of the hobby, in general.  In my experience, I have found very few "seed" folks who are willing to even try control line much less invest the time and effort you and I put in over the years to fully enjoy this activity.

Jim 

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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2023, 07:14:48 AM »
  July 5 to Salt Lake City (778 miles), July 6 to York, Nebraska (856 Miles) , July 7 to National Aeromodeling Center, I forget which city (744 miles).

   Brett

Safe travels my friend.  Make sure to load up on disco CDs before you roll out.

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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2023, 03:07:50 PM »
Safe travels my friend.  Make sure to load up on disco CDs before you roll out.

Derek

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    I think it's a lot more likely that I will be running with the Sol Ho'opi'i Trio and Bob Wills and The Texas Playboys.

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