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Offline Terry Caron

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2016, 09:16:28 PM »
The primary advice seems to be that I need my plane to be in trim in order to learn to fly maneuvers.
I began reading Walker's Basic trim article and turns out I need to fly maneuvers in order to trim my plane.
I honestly appreciate everyone's willingness and effort to respond to this thread, but I'll wait 'til I can go to Huntsville to take Ty up on his offer to coach me.

Thanks to all.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2016, 09:33:29 AM »
Lord willin' and the Crick don't rise, we'll do 'er Ty.  ;D

Terry

F anyone's I who cares, it's the Creek indians, not a creek, and "crick" is the proper original pronunciation, same for gun breech or the breeches one wears. I suppose it sounds "ignernt", so isn't PC.
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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2016, 01:02:32 PM »
From my (very brief) view of the FS handle, it appeared to be the Sullivan " 1/2A " handle. Not that it's not suitable for a .25 or even an average .40 powered stunter...but it is actually a "Hard Point" handle. Just 86 the cables and git thyself some of the proper line clips and you're golden. Well, yes,  you'll need to have the technology to make an assortment of "oddball" clip lengths. Use only one "oddball" per handle/line set, with the rest stock Sullivan or Brodak "Derek Moran" type clips. See picture attached.  y1 Steve 
"The United States has become a place where professional athletes and entertainers are mistaken for people of importance." - Robert Heinlein

In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2016, 02:22:36 PM »
Good news, Steve, and I'm handy enough to make clips. I have some of the Moran type.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2016, 02:34:53 PM »
Cool! Make your "oddball" clips longer than the stock ones (use the larger Sullivan/Brodak), and don't bother to make any more than +1/4" or so. Anybody can tie up a set of lines within that or half that. Bind your lines using the copper wire method shown in the AMA rules (online at AMA's site). Use of a hardpoint handle will be a revelation, most especially on a model that doesn't pull very hard. Get that neutral adjusted perfectly!

I've lived in TN and visited in 2012...Winchester and Estill Springs was where we lived when I was a USAF kid and Dad worked at Tullahoma building the AEDC facility. Next was Maxwell AFB in Montgomery...I'd have a tough time moving to AL.  :o Steve
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In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2016, 03:03:52 PM »
OK, I said handy not quick-witted - I'm not clear on the clip lengths you recommend.
You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy Steve.  ;D

The area you speak of is 25-40 mi south of me.
And you get down to it, Al is really just like WA....except for the heat, humidity, the occasional tornado, the odd Klan rally, shot-up roadsigns, beer bottles on the roadside and all the Yankees on their way to Florida (meaning no offense to any poor, benighted soul who must perforce live up North).  LL~  LL~  LL~

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2016, 07:41:06 PM »
OK, I said handy not quick-witted - I'm not clear on the clip lengths you recommend.
You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy Steve.  ;D

The area you speak of is 25-40 mi south of me.
And you get down to it, Al is really just like WA....except for the heat, humidity, the occasional tornado, the odd Klan rally, shot-up roadsigns, beer bottles on the roadside and all the Yankees on their way to Florida (meaning no offense to any poor, benighted soul who must perforce live up North).  LL~  LL~  LL~

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Terry...if you look at my post up yonder with the pitcher of the two sizes of Sullivan line clips...I use the big ones, and think the small ones would be fine for 1/2a, but maybe tough for big/old fingers to unhook. Anyway, I believe the best plan is to use three factory made clips, either Sullivan or Brodak. The 4th clip will be the homemade/oddball clip. That clip should be on the handle, IF you have one handle and set of lines dedicated for each plane you have.

IF you HAVE to use the same handle/lines on a few different airplanes, then you'd need to put the oddball clip on the plane and leave it there, with the rest of the clips being factory stuff. It's REAL important to get your neutral(s) adjusted perfectly, and be able to go fly without having to mess with that. Having the neutral out of whack can cost you a plane, so just fly it out and fix it before the next flight. If you use a clunk tank, you might use a short fuel load so's you don't waste time and fuel on your first flight of a new model.

Having your buddies eyeball your handle for neutral in level flight can speed your progress. If you have your handle adjusted for correct neutral, it should naturally "groove" at the same height both upright and inverted. Well, that only applies IF you can fly inverted. That's not all that terribly hard...I just told myself that the NEXT control I would give would be "down". Haven't crashed inverted except once, and that was about 54 years ago...dammit!  LL~ Steve

   
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In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2016, 10:41:21 AM »
OK, Steve, gotcha. Oddball links on the plane. A no-brainer when/if you know, but talking/thinking about handle only it didn't hit me.
Using the EZ-just, it wasn't an issue.

We've worked up a fly-in for next Sun with some of the NACA guys, including Ty, so I should have more expertise available than I'll know what to do with.  :D
(T-Top Airfield, near Eagleville, TN 10:00 'til ?, all welcome)

Thanks again.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2016, 06:56:29 PM »
Usually aim the arm at the aeroplane , shut the eyes , put the handle horizontal , then look , to see if Elevators ' neutral '. or Not.

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Re: Stunting Basics - the WES element
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2016, 07:08:03 PM »
Wait a minute, Matt!!
What's this about shutting my eyes - are you saying they're supposed to be open???
Folks, I think I've found my problem.  LL~ LL~ LL~

But thanks, Matt - noted and added to my check list.

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