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Ok, I have been a member here for a short time and a lurker for a while so I am pretty unknown to this group. I am a re-tread getting back into CL flying with glow engines. It has been a long time since I flew CL, although I do remember doing it.

So as a starting point for getting back in the circle, I would like to seek some recommendations from the knowledge base and experience here. Here is the question and premise.

Assume that I and maybe someone else would start as a beginner then progress to intermediate and on to advanced with the idea of competing along the way and maybe getting my name on a competition roster and a top ten finish.

Would you suggest your top two or three recommendations of engine and plane combinations for each of the three categories above?
Assume they will be kit built or scratch built and the engines would be readily available either new or vintage.

I have read a lot of posts lately and see a lot of passion for one plane or another and corresponding engine. It would be cool to try and list them.

For example:
Beginner:
1. Enya 15 & Jr. Nobler
2. Ringmaster & Fox 35
3. Enya 15 & Magician

Intermediate
1. Fox 35 & Nobler
2. K&B 35 & Stuka Stunt Profile
3. Saito LA46 & Twister

Advanced
1. Saito LA 46 & Strega
2. K&B 61 & Caprice
3. Fox 35 & Jack Streek's Spitfire

I have no idea if the above are in the correct category on not and would love to see what you would recommend.

This forum is great and the folks here set a great example for being helpful, encouraging and generous. Than k you for your indulgence.

Gary

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2015, 03:24:07 PM »
For starters, the LA 46 is by OS, not Saito. Most people in ancient times start with .049's.

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2015, 04:04:10 PM »
All recommendations are loose -- people have demonstrated that Sig Skyrays and Topflight Flight Streaks will garner more than 500 points in Expert in the right hands, and people have started flying Beginner with full-bodied stunt ships.  What I'm suggesting below is what I think will work well, but it's by no means the only way to go.

Beginner:

The most important thing here is an airplane that'll be fairly rugged in a crash, and quick building, yet still capable of stunting.  A 600-point airplane is neither needed nor wanted.  For all that, an airplane that's fairly big to just plain big is a good idea.  If you're building from kits or from scratch, don't waste your time on flapped airplanes -- they do look better when they're turning sharp corners, but they take longer to build and longer to repair.  Since you'll spend more time repairing than flying square corners, optimize for ease of repair.

  • several Sig Skyrays + 20 FP, with the Bret Buck mods*.  25FP and 25LA will also work here.  I'm not sure what size Enya would be best, but I suspect a 19 would be a bit anemic.
  • several (Do you notice a trend here) Gotcha Streaks + 46LA.  Get kits at the Core House (Phil Cartier).  I think the design could be improved, but what's there is way more than you need for beginner
  • several Top Flight Flite Streaks + 20FP, 25FP or 25LA.  Same deal as the Skyray, except they're ARFs.  Ignore what the directions say about the center of gravity and put it at 1 5/8" back from the leading edge
  • Any of several ARF profiles from Brodak -- just buy more than one.  I don't think they have any suitable flapless airplanes -- a plane with flaps will fly better in better hands than a beginner, but is harder to fix and -- even for an ARF -- harder to assemble.  The Super Clown is good if you want to stick to a 20FP or 25LA.

The key here is to plan on crashing, and plan on working through it.  Brett Buck would tell you to bring several planes to the field and, if you crash one, grab another and keep flying.  I'd agree if you have time for half a dozen flights each session -- I never have time for more than three flights or so, so I just had one plane that I fixed a lot.

Many old timers may not like me saying this, but if you don't like building and you do have the money, just buy a bunch of ARFs and get them all ready to fly.  I like building, so I don't go that route.

Intermediate:

With the possible exception of the Gotcha Streak**, any of the above planes should carry you at least part way through Intermediate.  In Intermediate you'll be somewhat limited by a flapless plane, but still far more limited by your own piloting skills.  So when you move up to Intermediate, start shopping for your new ride.  If you crash a lot, or if you compete somewhere that has a profile class, stick to a profile (because you can get twice as much time contesting).  If you don't, consider a full fuselage plane or a Niebuhr "Hobo".  (A Neibur "Hobo" is going to be fairly easy to fix, but fly more like an ordinary full fuse plane.  It's also not elegible for profile competition).

  • Fancherized Sig Twister
  • "Fancherized" (or Rabe-ized) Sig Banshee (move the wing forward an inch or 1-1/2", and increase the tail span by an inch or two).
  • The above-mentioned Neibuhr "Hobo"
  • If you want a full fuselage, a just-about-anything-modern -- a Legacy or Legacy 40 would probably be a good plane to try, but so would an SV-11 or an Impact (if you can find a kit).  Note that a "full sized" stunter may challenge a 46LA a bit (but then, I'm running a 46LA in a 64-ounce, 660 square-inch stunter, and it's working well so far)
  • A super-zoot profile based on modern "numbers", but only if you're also going to use it in a profile class.

You can get all the way through Advanced with any of the above planes (I finished out this year flying a Fancherized Twister in Expert).  If you have the time to build it you're probably far better off with a full-bodied modern ship though.

* Brett Buck Mods: build it per the plans but replace the plywood ribs and stub ribs with 3/32" balsa, put 2-wheel landing gear on it, put a weight box in the outboard wingtip, and put in adjustable leadouts (Brett says to just locate the leadouts according to the Line III program -- I say adjustable).

** I don't like where the leadouts exit on a Gotcha Streak -- I suspect the plane has vertical CG problems.  If it hangs straight down from the leadouts as you look at the nose then I'm wrong, and it should work perfectly well into Intermediate.  I do like the Gotcha Streak wings, which is why I'm using them on a couple of knock-around sport & stunt trainers.
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2015, 04:12:34 PM »
You say CL, but I take it you mean stunt, or at least stunt planes.  I suggest that, rather than competition category (beginner, intermediate, advanced), the criterion you should consider is whether you crash much.  If you are still prone to crashing, I'd think you'd want something rapidly replaceable and glow powered.  When you get beyond that point, pick a plane and powerplant combination that has won the Nats or world champs recently.  They are the easiest to fly and easiest to score with.

The next criterion in the selection process is whether you want to fly competitively or whether you want to relive your youth.  I had to decide that for myself recently.  I want to do both, but I put the old stuff on the back burner and opted to compete while I still can.  You mention glow, and your examples are mostly from half a century ago, yet you also mention competition.  You will have a lot less trouble with new airplanes and engines (or motors), but they won't look, sound, or smell like the oldies.

The third criterion is whether you have a lot of money.  If you do, particularly if you are beyond the point of crashing a lot, see these people: http://discovery-aeromodels.com/ .  
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2015, 04:54:26 PM »
Thanks for the responses.  Lots to absorb. I am interested in having fun and competing while I can. I get that full on competition would demand modern planes and engines. 

I was hoping to see if there was a pattern to what might be a good progression. I see a lot of posts about older model designs with vintage engines and some new engines. When you look at this as an outsider, the selection process is quite broad. The hope I have is to see what combinations are most popular. 

I do like to build and was a decent flier and able to repair crashes. Keep the suggestions coming. I will look into the comments. I do have a few vintage engines to use and the idea is to determine which modern engines I should acquire..

Thanks,
Gary

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2015, 05:08:21 PM »
Hey Gary:

We've learned a lot about stunt runs in the last 40-50 years, not least of which is how best to use modern RC engines.  So, a modern RC engine isn't a bad way to go.  You'll see a lot of people recommend the OS 46LA for a "full size" plane because it's a really good, versatile, dependable, easy to run engine if you treat it right.  It's probably the single most popular engine in stunt, occupying maybe 25-50% of the engine bays out there.  Unfortunately it's also out of production, but there are slews of them on eBay so I don't think we need to panic just yet.

When you get up into the top ranks then you can think about some of the engines that are specifically designed for stunt (PA, RoJett, Stalker), but until you're not crashing any more it's probably not worthwhile.

And yes, you can struggle along with ancient engines, and since we've learned how to use them to their maximal potential, you may even get more out of them than you could back in the day -- but you'll still be held back by the engine.

If you have a specific engine that you want to use you can always get on here and ask.  You'll have opinions to sort through -- for instance, there's a lot of people who swear by the Fox 35, but none of them are winning the Nationals any more, and there's a lot of people who feel that an OS 20FP or 25LA is actually better on most of the same planes.  If I'm in doubt, I generally go by who's winning contests -- anyone can have opinions, but not everyone out there is winning (I'm not winning contests -- so take what I say as you may!).
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2015, 05:14:02 PM »
Hi Gary, A ringmaster, magician, or flite streak are good starting ships. They would probably need an o.s. la or fp .25. If you have a fox 35 available this would also be o.k. These planes and many other "beginner planes" are available from Brodaks, check them out. These are all profile ships and great starters. When your building skills improve try one of the many available full bodied, flapped stunt ships. RSM and Brodaks have many to choose from. If not get a profile with flaps. Cardinal, or the like. These planes need a larger engine, O.S. LA46 or equivalent. Once you get to this point and are a better pilot, you'll kind of figure out what your next ship will be.

Good luck,

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2015, 05:54:54 PM »
    Hi Gary;
    You hit point exactly right on the old nail head, there are LOTS of choices out there. As Howard said, you just need to decide what you want to do. You can compete with just about ANY airplane, and how well you do largely depends on you and what your level of proficiency. You sound like you have some sort of back ground and it should be relevant to what you decide. If you are beyond the "chronic crasher" stage already, the world is your oyster so to speak. I would build and fly what appeals to your eye and budget and makes you happy. There really are no new problems in this respect and all the answers to questions are in the pages of this web site and others. However, for me, nothing takes the place of getting out to fly with your buddies, and sharing the learning process, especially if there is a club near you with pilots in all of the skill levels. Go to contests and get your feet wet, and try to watch as many people fly patterns as possible. Like Yogi Berra once said, "You can observe a lot just by watching!" You can get advice and ideas of this computer thing, but I recommend getting out and getting the handle in your hand and committing aviation yourself!
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2015, 06:42:52 PM »
Opinions will vary, but IMO, the Skyray/.25LA is ideal for somebody who will crash often...or the Corehouse "Gotcha Streak"/.46LA.

Once past the crashing (everybody crashes, but here we mean frequent and pilot induced), I'd suggest the Fancherized Twister or one of Pat Johnston's profile designs kitted by Brodak or RSM. A great alternative would be an Oriental. Any of these will be capable of getting you "encouraged" to fly Expert.

Having a "two fer" model that you can fly in Profile and PA or Classic and PA is great. Even better would be to fly the same plane in Profile, Classic and PA. The Profile Oriental will fit that bill. Yes, it's not going to fly as well as a full fuselage version, but it can still fly very well. With a .46LA for noseweight, I'd just put 1/64" plywood on the stock fuselage (epoxy, not a water-based glue) to stiffen it.  y1 Steve
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2015, 06:59:03 PM »
Ok, I have been a member here for a short time and a lurker for a while so I am pretty unknown to this group. I am a re-tread getting back into CL flying with glow engines. It has been a long time since I flew CL, although I do remember doing it.

So as a starting point for getting back in the circle, I would like to seek some recommendations from the knowledge base and experience here. Here is the question and premise.

Assume that I and maybe someone else would start as a beginner then progress to intermediate and on to advanced with the idea of competing along the way and maybe getting my name on a competition roster and a top ten finish.

Would you suggest your top two or three recommendations of engine and plane combinations for each of the three categories above?
Assume they will be kit built or scratch built and the engines would be readily available either new or vintage.

I have read a lot of posts lately and see a lot of passion for one plane or another and corresponding engine. It would be cool to try and list them.

For example:
Beginner:
1. Enya 15 & Jr. Nobler
2. Ringmaster & Fox 35
3. Enya 15 & Magician

Intermediate
1. Fox 35 & Nobler
2. K&B 35 & Stuka Stunt Profile
3. Saito LA46 & Twister

Advanced
1. Saito LA 46 & Strega
2. K&B 61 & Caprice
3. Fox 35 & Jack Streek's Spitfire

I have no idea if the above are in the correct category on not and would love to see what you would recommend.

This forum is great and the folks here set a great example for being helpful, encouraging and generous. Than k you for your indulgence.

Gary
 

    First of all, you are in the right place. A lot depends on how well you think you can build. Stunt is about building an airplane and then competing with it, so you always want to develop both types of skills, building and flying. I will work on a better response, but the most important thing I can tell you right off is that the engine and prop are far more important than particular airplane designs. Simple airplanes that you can optimize (and are cheap and easy to rebuild or clone multiple copies of) are much better than overly-complex airplanes that fly 10% better but are 1000% more difficult to build and trim.

    I will get yelled at again, but *do not use* vintage engines like the McCoy/Fox/ST. Look into acquiring modern engines with good contest records and abundant setup information. The OS 40/46LA, the 25LA, 20FP, etc. Also avoid aftermarket-reworked modern engines aside from a few well-respected *competition* suppliers like Randy.

   To start with, what is your experience level?  

      Brett
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2015, 07:58:25 PM »
One of my favorites was the Guillows Galaxy, now kitted by Brodak. Powered by anything from a strong 29 to average 35. I used a small shaft Johnson. I have used Johnson CS when I felt like some speed. The PDQ Super Clown, now kitted by Brodak was also good powered in the same manner. The Shoestring, Buster, and Ringmaster are good starters also. Flight Streaks built from a kit are excellent.

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2015, 08:33:41 PM »
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the input. You have provided much good information and lots to think about.

A little background on myself might be helpful.
I live about 20 miles SE of Madison, WI.
There are no CL clubs near me and most of the AMA clubs that are close only fly RC and some Elec RC only.
The closest active CL club, Ringmasters, is near Milwaukee, about 85 miles. I will join them and get acquainted in 2016.
There is an RC club about 30 miles away that will allow CL flying but no active members flying CL. I hope to fix that ;D.
I have not been able to find a hobby shop within a 100 mile radius that sells glow fuel yet. I have an email into the Ringmasters president to see where they get their fuel from.

The challenge that I am going to have is getting handle time during the week. I think the only way that will happen is to get active in the club nearest me that will allow CL flying. That way I have a chance at weekday practice and some Saturday mornings at the Ringmasters.

Grew up in northern Michigan in the middle of no where and started flying CL 049 in the mid 60's with a Sterling PT-19 plastic held together with rubber bands. Went from there to stick built balsa, tissue or silk and dope finished. No such thing as an active clubs in the area and just a couple of us flying CL. Read Flying Models and Model Airplane News every month and built several planes from their plans. We quickly found that 049 combat was a lot of fun with our own scratch built wings. Then we got into slow combat with .19's and then to .35 size profile stunters. Stopped flying wen I went away to college. I then caught the RC bug and purchased a Kraft radio and learned to fly RC. I flew mostly Fox engines, RC 45BB size, K&B 40 & Veco 19's depending upon the plane. I did that for about 10 years. Several vintage untouched RC kits in the basement still. Stopped RC flying about 25 years ago.

Aviation interests continued after my Father passed and I acquired his 1940 Luscombe that he bought before I was born. I used to fly with him when ever he would let me. Brought it to Wisconsin and ultimately obtained my private ticket in it. According to Dad's log book I soloed in it 34 years and 6 days after he had soloed in it. Job change took us out of Wisconsin and away from any aviation activity for ten years. I sold the Luscombe last year after we moved back to Wisconsin. I still have the bug to be active in model airplanes. I am more interested in CL than RC. I love to both build and fly models and am pretty handy with a set of tools. Engineer by degree and handy man by necessity.

I am sure I will crash and am sure I will repair and fly again. I do like the idea of a couple copies of the same model as a spare while learning how not to crash. I am very comfortable with the challenges of the engines, adjustments, fuel, building, flying and crashing. I have been away a long time and much has changed. Manufacturers have come and gone, technology has changed and I am completely out of touch with today's suppliers, equipment and designs. This forum is a huge help. I look forward to getting to know a lot of you and possibly meeting some as I become more active.
Thanks in advance guys.

Gary


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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2015, 08:53:09 PM »
   Gary;
   Sounds like you have a good base to work from. Kind of typical these days, and with a lot of guys here on the list. Like you said, some things have changed, and the more things change the more some things remain the same! You already have knowledge of the basics. If you still have the K&B .40 and Veco .19's, they can be pressed into service if need be! Lots of stuff in the engine section on those. To get in the air REALLY quick, and Top Flite Flite Streak ARF and OS LA.25  is the fastest, and if you want to build, the Skyray .35 by SIG and the same engine or OS FP.25  if you can find one as previously suggested would be perfect. Modern engines that can use modern fuel, that you might have trouble finding any which way. There is a Hobby Town in Oshkosh that we drop into when in town for AirVenture. The Skyray can be built quickly, is sort of old school like you may remember, and can be cloned or copied easily if you make templates off the parts when you build the first one. A tough plane that flies well and fits the skill set that you already have. You will just have trouble finding Ambroid glue these days! Lots of other glue choices though. Like I mentioned before, lots of choices all the way around once you get rolling. You're gonna have some fun! The Milwaukee guys are a good group, and I know some of them from the contest circuit and from volunteering at KidVenture in Oshkosh. Welcome back to the fun.
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2015, 10:13:25 PM »
I'm surprised about your fuel situation.  You can mail-order it, but you have to choose between paying a hazmat fee (more money) or ordering it in quarts (more money).  The hazmat fee is, IIRC, per shipment so you can save a bit ordering a case at a time.
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Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2015, 08:31:51 PM »
Where are your slow combat planes? They'll do the pattern. Run engines so planes  

don't mush. No faster.  Rig landing gear and use a stooge if need be.
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2015, 01:24:30 AM »
  Gary,
  I looked at your combinations  I'm not sure the wing area of a Caprice , The K&B .61 is a bit heavy ,,it might be a decent combo but what is the Caprice's wing area?
  John

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2015, 04:11:12 AM »
If the goal is to move from basic to beginner to intermediate to advanced, then as little time as possible  should be spent building, repairing & fiddling with engines.

Engine: a modern engine, I like the OS FPs & LA's. A lightly used R/C engine that I convert with C/L parts from Aero Products or Lee Mfg.  Mount & fly no long break-in or cranky starting problems.  I wasted time & learned the hard way. I do now know how to start an old loop scavenged engine quickly every time= electric starter.

A tough modern plane that flies very well when properly trimmed.  Something with a Combat heritage: they build quick & can take some abuse. Nobler, Ringmaster, Magician, Twister, etc: when the beginner looses track of air time & fue,l the engine stops, the planes stalls at 30' & smites the ground then it is time to get the trash bag out of the trunk; as it makes it easier to gather up the pieces for the rebuild.  The same scenario with the Core House Rugged Stunt Trainer, U-key, Teosawki:  wash the engine off with charcoal lighter, replace the prop & fly again the same day.

Intermediate same as above for the same reasons, something will bite you in the butt & you will hit the ground HARD.  Core House RST, Gothca Streak III, Giles, (U-key or Teosawki, if you can find one).

http://stunthanger.com/smf/core-house/

http://stunthanger.com/smf/aero-products/

http://stunthanger.com/smf/lee-machine-shop/

From some one who flies at the expert level about the Core House Rugged Stunt Trainer when he flew it, " That does pretty good corners for a plane without flaps."

If you are not flying you are not learning & progressing toward your goal.  When you stop hitting the ground regularly, build the Vector, SV-11, etc. you always wanted.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 02:23:08 PM »
John,

Thanks for the reply. That looks like some good advice. I will check out Corehouse. The fields that I will be able to fly at are an hour or so away so a plane that could be repaired at the field would be a huge asset.

I get the difference between the modern engines and vintage. I have acquired a NIB OS 25LA and am on the look out for a NIB OS46LA. I will use these as primary power. Lots of guys are looking for OS 20FP ABC engines so the competition there is strong and good deals seem hard to find. That said, there is some value to me to taking a 50 year old engine and seeing and hearing it power a plane through the pattern. I guess it is a bit nostalgia for me but also the challenge to do it.

I recently restored a rusted out 1974 Alfa Romeo into a brand new 1974. It is not as sophisticated as modern cars, no electronics and old school Weber carburetors. However, every time I drive it I get a huge rush. The idea of keeping something from the past functional and useful appeals to me. Same thing with the vintage CL engines and planes. The competitive side of the CL hobby interests me as a way to keep my skills sharp.

Probably more than you want to know but I do appreciate the insights and suggestions.

Gary

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 02:49:31 PM »
Gary, John's idea of using a slow combat plane is a good one.

I would suggest that if you can get in touch with Phil (Corehouse) on the phone that you tell him what engine you have and ask for the appropriate kit.  Make sure he knows you're a beginner and that you want a stunt trainer, in case he hasn't seen this thread already.
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2015, 08:00:53 AM »
Gary

The advice on a Core House (Phil Cartier) kitted Rugged Stunt Trainer (RST) is one viable option I would also recommend

Your NIB OS 25 is good engine for the RST

If reducing cost of training birds is desirable-- just ask Phil for the RST kit and a few extra sets of wings and his SLC covering. The fuse and tail are easy to copy if you have a typical supply of motor mounts and balsa and hardware.

The RST won't ever win any beauty contest but it easily survived several full speed figure 9s by me into real hard Texas summer ground

Pluses:
Build and finish is fast
Truly rugged
Trimming is minimal as it builds flat and straight right out of the box
Relatively speaking inexpensive
"A good scare teaches more than good advice"

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2015, 08:22:41 PM »
Gary, John's idea of using a slow combat plane is a good one.

I would suggest that if you can get in touch with Phil (Corehouse) on the phone that you tell him what engine you have and ask for the appropriate kit.  Make sure he knows you're a beginner and that you want a stunt trainer, in case he hasn't seen this thread already.

So I was poking around in a couple of wardrobe moving boxes that I have kept all my model kits, plans, balsa, etc in. I packed em up around 86 when we moved from Champaign IL to Wheaton IL. I pretty much stopped flying models then, family started, no close fields, busy work long commute, the usual stuff.

Stumbled upon a set of full size plans for a slow combat plane; The Spider by Lou Woolard and Mike Tallman. Also found some partially assembled pieces to same model. I must have started a scratch build. Hmmmm.

Next out of the box was a Midwest P51 Profile kit or at least parts of one. Cannot find the plans. Need to get a set so I can finish that plane too or rebuild it if it was one I crashed years ago.

So lots to think about. The Corehouse RST is also a viable candidate. I ran out of time today and did not get to call Phil. I will do that tomorrow.  Need to find a piece of plate glass now.................

Gary

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2015, 08:25:59 PM »
  Gary,
  I looked at your combinations  I'm not sure the wing area of a Caprice , The K&B .61 is a bit heavy ,,it might be a decent combo but what is the Caprice's wing area?
  John

John,
I don't know. The Caprice is a Bob Hunt design. I think he is selling wings and maybe kits. Not sure. It is definitely an advanced plane from where I stand now. It is on my wish list.

Gary

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2015, 11:43:42 PM »
John,
I don't know. The Caprice is a Bob Hunt design. I think he is selling wings and maybe kits. Not sure. It is definitely an advanced plane from where I stand now. It is on my wish list.

Gary

The Caprice is a Classic Design for mid size engines.  Bob won Classic Stunt at VSC several times and at least once with his Caprice.  I believe He used a Randy Smith AeroTiger36.
At any rate it will need a good strong engine of 35 to 46 size and relatively light weight.  Most definitely a 60 size engine would not be a good choice.  An LA46 could certainly be used to effect in one.  Built light and straight they are magnificent flying airplanes.  As for the wing area I don't remember exactly but something in the ballpark of 560 Sq in.

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2015, 06:22:23 PM »
   Thanks Randy.
  I thought it was about 570 or close & to avoid trouble I'd not put a K&B 61 in it  its pretty heavy an ounce more than a Tiger .60.
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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2015, 01:07:47 PM »
I'm surprised about your fuel situation.  You can mail-order it, but you have to choose between paying a hazmat fee (more money) or ordering it in quarts (more money).  The hazmat fee is, IIRC, per shipment so you can save a bit ordering a case at a time.
After getting a bad batch of fuel from SIG, I started mixing my own fuel. I buy methanol from a car speed shop by the 5 gallon can, Castor from Sig by the gallon, and nitro from the internet. I get synthetic oil (klotz) also from the internet. I can mix fuel for anything.

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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2015, 09:31:33 PM »
So I was poking around in a couple of wardrobe moving boxes that I have kept all my model kits, plans, balsa, etc in. I packed em up around 86 when we moved from Champaign IL to Wheaton IL. I pretty much stopped flying models then, family started, no close fields, busy work long commute, the usual stuff.

Stumbled upon a set of full size plans for a slow combat plane; The Spider by Lou Woolard and Mike Tallman. Also found some partially assembled pieces to same model. I must have started a scratch build. Hmmmm.

Next out of the box was a Midwest P51 Profile kit or at least parts of one. Cannot find the plans. Need to get a set so I can finish that plane too or rebuild it if it was one I crashed years ago.

So lots to think about. The Corehouse RST is also a viable candidate. I ran out of time today and did not get to call Phil. I will do that tomorrow.  Need to find a piece of plate glass now.................

Gary

I think you contacted me through the club facebook page.

We have members all over southern Wisconsin, and we have a lot of events in the summer. 
A contest in June, monthly flying sessions and meeting each month.  A few fun flys and demo evernts.

Also there is a good swap meet the first Sunday in January. 


you can get the P51 plans on line is the 48 inch one. 

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=7079


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Re: Stunt Plane-Engine Combos Beginner, Intermediate & Advanced(Competition)
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2015, 11:54:02 PM »
After getting a bad batch of fuel from SIG, I started mixing my own fuel. I buy methanol from a car speed shop by the 5 gallon can, Castor from Sig by the gallon, and nitro from the internet. I get synthetic oil (klotz) also from the internet. I can mix fuel for anything.

I pretty much do the same except I get both Castor and Klotz from SIG.

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