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Title: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 02, 2020, 02:43:37 AM: The truth about the flu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru7egBTOxB8
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Crist Rigotti on July 02, 2020, 06:55:43 AM: Thanks Bob.
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Post by: Peter Grabenstein on July 02, 2020, 07:36:20 AM: wish you good luck and a one of a healthy "privat - sick - insurence company".
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Post by: Gerald Arana on July 02, 2020, 08:36:00 AM: Finally some "common sense"about this pandemic. (?) %^@

Yeah Doc, these masks "SUCK".................a$$

Lets fly, Jerry
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: George Grossardt on July 02, 2020, 08:46:57 AM: 128,000 dead in the US and 50,000 new cases a day.

Yup, it’s no big deal.

I understand there is no way to change someone’s mind, so I won’t try. The virus isn’t just about me though, it’s about all those I care about and even those I don’t. I’ll take precautions for those around me.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Andre Ming on July 02, 2020, 12:27:08 PM: We do NOT have ANY way of knowing what numbers are correct and what numbers aren't. What HEALTH WORKERS are coming out and telling makes you pause to think just WHAT are the "experts" counting?

IF you think all the numbers are ACCURATE, well, good luck. I suspect that it is simply not possible to find truly accurate numbers that aren't being padded to push agenda. This is being viewed by the power hungry as THE VEHICLE that can be leveraged into being whatever is needed:

* Depress the economy to enhance defeat of the current administration.

* Spread the fear and thus cause the citizenry to WILLINGLY surrender their rights.

* Use this so-called "crisis or emergency" to power grab and trample Constitutional rights, and rights afforded by the Bill of Rights, after all, the vast majority of citizens are willingly surrendering them. (See above.)

* Whatever else they think they can leverage this "crisis" to accomplish.

IF indeed the cases are going up, then that could very like be because there's more so-called "testing" taking place. (More on that in a minute.)

However, the death numbers are not going up at the same rate. Thus, for the cases going up and the death rates not going up in such a manner, that is lowering the mortality rate even further.

As for this "testing". Some friends of my brother-in-law work as nurses in NW AR. Seeing anomalies in the process, they began to suspect the testing procedures. One of the Nurses sent off 10 swabs fresh out of the box to be "tested". They came back "Positive". Yup, 10 new swabs, never used, and they came back "Positive". There's some "accuracy" for you. Then there's that brave citizen that was videoed as he stood in front of the city council in town in CA that was locking down again "because of the numbers" and gave them the FACTS about how they had 51 patients spread over NINE hospitals. (That's a lot of empty hospital rooms.) Total BS. Nothing more than abuse of power and propaganda being used to manipulate.

Basically: ANY testing, or non-Covid deaths, or ANYTHING that can be used to pad the numbers upward is being used.

Also, it's interesting that the power-hungry leaders that were choking down those under their jurisdiction by immediately slapping distancing, masks, home-bound, whatever else they could on their "subjects"... BUT...

...all that flew out the window with the so-called "protests" started. Lo and behold, these same leaders SUPPORTED the protesting/looters/rioters. Many marching with them in mock support. What happened to all the distancing/large crowds/etc and all the other things verbotten?

Well, what happened was that the power hungry saw this "protest crap" as yet ANOTHER vehicle to use to drive this Nation further downward and strip it even further of more liberties, our history, ANYTHING that stands in the way of what THEY want.

This BS is had gone on long enough. We've had THREE FRICKIN' YEARS of the MSM and the leftists DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN to hurt America and push "their" agenda's. And with the left gaining control of the House, we've been dead in the water congressionally ever since. Just think of ALL the true issues that needed to be addressed that went unaddressed because the left was CONSTANTLY involved in witch hunts, conspiracy theories, etc, etc, ad naseum. I'm hoping and praying that free-thinking Americans are getting their gut full of this lunacy and will vote ANY AND ALL of these idiots out of office. These are dangerous leaders that are willing to manipulate their citizens with such ferocity and lack of caring in order to push their agenda. How ANYONE can vote for such power hungry, uncaring "leaders" that don't give two craps about the USA or its people is beyond me.

For those of you that want to voluntarily surrender your rights to these fools, that's up to you. I can't do anything about that. But as I see it, we've had a good thing going in the USA for a long time now with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. At this time in our history we stand an ominous chance of LOSING MANY MORE of our rights, and much more. I intend to cast my vote for those that I feel will give me my best chance at retaining as many freedoms as I can, and I'll be da*ned if I will voluntarily surrender my rights while they are still my rights.

This young lady has it figured out:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=205919897239679

Andre
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Bill Adair on July 02, 2020, 04:37:08 PM: Great post Andre and I couldn't agree more!

Bill
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Post by: wwwarbird on July 02, 2020, 09:22:02 PM: Right on Andre. y1
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Post by: john e. holliday on July 02, 2020, 09:33:24 PM: Way to go Andre. Like the Calvin the Deplorable says/asked, " When will the virus be cured or end". Answer was, "When the democrats get tired of it". S?P
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Post by: Bill Schwagerman on July 02, 2020, 09:58:56 PM: That’s it Doc! Not much else has worked.
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Post by: John Miller on July 02, 2020, 09:59:29 PM: If not Treason, the Dem opposition leaders, as well as some Republicans, are at least guilty of Sedition. Search out the meanings of those words. Bring charges and they'll scurry away like roaches when the lights go on.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Reptoid on July 03, 2020, 12:49:48 AM: Right On Andre !!!!
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Ian Hewitt on July 03, 2020, 05:08:18 AM: Just finishing reading 'The Plague' by Albert Camus - quite a journey.. ..and well worth going along for the ride.

Things have not been great in the UK - we only have a clown for a PM though..

Ian
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: SteveMoon on July 03, 2020, 05:25:37 AM: Thank you Andre! Why can't more people see that this is what happening?
Or, is it just because this is what people want to happen? Do they simply
want to be mindless sheep; not required to ever make a decision on their
own? And, thus absolving themselves of any responsibility for the
consequences of their actions and decisions. Is this how people really
want to live now? Never failing, but also never striving. Never striving
to be better, to live a better life; but rather just going along because it's
easier to do so.

Later, Steve
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 03, 2020, 05:54:21 AM: The word Government actually means mind control. It is etymologically originated from the ancient Latin language.
It Splits into two words:1) (guvernare) meaning “to control” and 2) (mens or mentis) meaning “mind”.
SO GOVERNMENT MEANS “TO CONTROL THE MIND”
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Joseph Patterson on July 03, 2020, 09:53:54 AM: Quote from: SteveMoon on July 03, 2020, 05:25:37 AM
Thank you Andre! Why can't more people see that this is what happening?
Or, is it just because this is what people want to happen? Do they simply
want to be mindless sheep; not required to ever make a decision on their
own? And, thus absolving themselves of any responsibility for the
consequences of their actions and decisions. Is this how people really
want to live now? Never failing, but also never striving. Never striving
to be better, to live a better life; but rather just going along because it's
easier to do so.
Great point Steve! That's the icing on the cake to what Andre said!
Doug

Later, Steve
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 10:55:15 AM: Quote from: SteveMoon on July 03, 2020, 05:25:37 AM
Thank you Andre! Why can't more people see that this is what happening?
Or, is it just because this is what people want to happen?

In this particular case, they are desperate for a "solution" and (because of the incredible safety and inconceivable wealth for the past 50-60-70 years) cannot imagine that there isn't a solution. They are panicking, and panicking people grasp at straws, and demand solutions where there are none. Which, people who want to manipulate the situation are all too happy to exploit.

They have also been lied to, very consistently for decades, and now any notion that the basic institutions necessary for a civil society are legitimate is long gone. The endless, incessant, lying or spin-doctoring about virtually everything had undermined any sort of credibility that any sort of authority might have had. A funny example - in Minneapolis, there were a spate of stories about how "pets were dying of stress due to large numbers of fireworks going off" with a bunch of housewives whining about how their dog runs under the couch everytime a firecracker goes off, and how terrible it is that no one is doing anything. This in the same city where they have recently voted unanimously to *defund and dismantle the police department*. This with, apparently not a hint of cognitive dissonance by the people interviewed, or the reporters writing the story.

The last 3 years, there is virtually nothing but one lie after another, many of them blatantly obvious and provably false, but nonetheless "believed" because they appeal to some people's preconcieved notion.

The result (100% intentional) is to undermine the basis for American-style individual liberty. It started with unAmerican ideas infesting the school system, where kids are now taught not about the basis for the concept of individual liberty, but that the people who came up with it were a bunch of nasty and immoral "rich people" (who should be hated automatically, because, as Marx and Engels explain, the way you get rich is to make other people poor and exploiting them - despite the fact that capitalism has made *everybody* rich to the point of obscenity by any past historical standard) and thus easily dismissable. It has ended with the generation of idiotic ex-hippies and dope heads getting to the age that they are the ones running things. Who, of course, think "everybody should do their own thing, man!" - as long as it conforms to their strict vision of the "correct" way to go about it, as narrow as they claimed The Establishment was back in the day.

We have had, in the last 3 months, the governor of the largest state claim that the primary goal of his government was to "keep people safe" - instead of what it is intended to be, "to protect individual liberty". While issuing "orders" that explicitly violate enumerated rights, from the very first paragraph.

The press leads the way on this, and the calls for censorship of "false" news is a desperate attempt for the press to hold on to their monopoly on information, that has been almost uniformly one-sided and dominated by unAmerican agitators and other leftsts since the 60's. They attempt to maintain a pretense of objectivity, but still end up crying on camera when their chosen candidate lost.

The bottom line is that most people now have no concept of what the American concept of individual liberty is (and may never have even heard of the concept), much less what it means on a day-to-day basis. So how *could* they see it?

Brett
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Dan Berry on July 03, 2020, 12:14:59 PM: Kudos Brett.
A brilliant treatise.
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Post by: Dan McEntee on July 03, 2020, 01:00:58 PM: To the point about finding a vaccine for this here virus. My Faucci likes to point out that it could take years to find one and cautions about expecting one by years end. This is from the mouth of a man who earns his living from research and such of virus' and infectious diseases, but you never hear a word about any of his successes. There isn't a whole lot of money in finding a cure right away, but there is an endless yellow brick road of gold in research and treatments for illnesses that they claim they can't find a cure for. The common cold, which is a corona virus, would seem to be one of the easiest to find a cure for. Pop a tablet or drink a liquid, get a good nights rest or two and you are good to go. But there is more money in treatments that just work on the symptoms, and just string you along for a week or two so you will spend any amount of money for something to make you feel better. They simply don't want to "find" a cure. Same thing with aids, or any other disease. If you find a cure, the money tap for all the research grants and such gets turned off. Hospital beds go empty, and drug companies don't get to make obscene profits of medicines that cost only pennies to make. If you were an independent laboratory that suddenly announced that you have s serum that can take a Covid 19 patient that is critical and on a ventilator, and turn him/her around and on their feet in a two or three days and cost only a few dollars, you might not live long enough to see the results of your efforts! Like a lot of things on this world today, just follow the money.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: peabody on July 03, 2020, 02:07:03 PM: Wow! I didn't realize that Sparky got a Medical Doctors degree while being a webmaster and toy airplane builder!

I guess it's over for all the other doctors.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Arlan McKee on July 03, 2020, 02:20:27 PM: Quote from: peabody on July 03, 2020, 02:07:03 PM
Wow! I didn't realize that Sparky got a Medical Doctors degree while being a webmaster and toy airplane builder!

I guess it's over for all the other doctors.
Do you really think that your ad hominem attack is going to stop Robert or anyone else here from speaking their mind?
You never have an intelligent debate, only name calling and irrelevant innuendo.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Crist Rigotti on July 03, 2020, 02:22:28 PM: Quote from: Dan Berry on July 03, 2020, 12:14:59 PM
Kudos Brett.
A brilliant treatise.
Ditto!
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 04:04:17 PM: Quote from: peabody on July 03, 2020, 02:07:03 PM
Wow! I didn't realize that Sparky got a Medical Doctors degree while being a webmaster and toy airplane builder!

I guess it's over for all the other doctors.

I don’t think anyone here says Wuhan isn’t a real disease; it certainly is, and it is a dangerous disease, particularly for some people. It is right to be concerned about it.

That doesn’t mean that living in fear or abject terror is a reasonable response, or that being ostentatiously and aggressively vociferous about is going to help anything. There is nearly nothing to be done about it, aside from avoiding all contact until everyone else is either over it or vaccinated. That’s simply impossible for most people.

Most of this is about people being unwilling to accept that in this case, the world has rolled snake eyes, and therefore willing to latch on to any proposed solution that happens to fit their emotional needs, sensible or realistic or not.

People feel desperate to feel safe somehow, and there are plenty of others willing to provide an apparent “solution”, and exploit the control that gives them.

It is my expectation that nearly everyone will eventually be exposed and barring some unexpected development, about .1 to .15% of them will die. That is a horrible bit of luck (long overdue, statistically) and we are only slightly less helpless about it as they were during the Middle Ages. Cowering in terror, grasping at straws, and destroying society as a result makes absolutely no sense at all and the reaction to Wuhan is WILDLY disproportionate to previous similar cases.
Brett
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Steve Dwyer on July 03, 2020, 04:10:43 PM: Oh gee, it's no big deal it's just another virus, is saving people that could have been prevented important? Apparently not, I just can't grasp this mindset and resistance to respecting other's lives, it makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 04:30:00 PM: Quote from: Steve Dwyer on July 03, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Oh gee, it's no big deal it's just another virus, is saving people that could have been prevented important? Apparently not, I just can't grasp this mindset and resistance to respecting other's lives, it makes no sense to me.

None of this is any more than symbolic, admitted to on numerous occasions. The situation is not altered by the fact that you really really care about people.

Or alternately, we could start a hashtag campaign, #wuhangoaway to show the virus how angry we are. That shows we mean business.

I actually do wear a mask around the fearful, not because it will do anything to stop viruses, but because it makes them feel better. It entirely an emotional/symbolic phenomenon.

If you want to dispute the reality then I suggest you go calculate the ratio of the diameter of a wuhan virus VS the size of the holes in an N95 filter mask, then get back to me.

Brett
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Andre Ming on July 03, 2020, 05:16:49 PM: "Care for innocent lives/etc":

For those that espouse that not wearing a mask is uncaring as to other innocent lives that a non-masker is placing at risk, I have one question:

Do you support a political party that is very pro "Planned Parenthood"?

If your answer is "yes", then go peddle your concern for innocent lives to someone else. I'm not buying it. The millions of innocent lives that have already been terminated by Planned Parenthood is a glaring indictment to this so-called "caring for the innocent lives" bullsh*t. Further, I suspect that the large majority of "pro-maskers" are also supporters of the Democrat party, which is a party that thinks nothing about taking innocent lives via Planned Parenthood. Oh, that is UNLESS they think they've figured out a way to leverage this phony "caring for innocent lives" to suit their agendas. THEN they'll spout on and on about how "uncaring" non-conformists are and try to brow-beat others into submitting to their demands.

So tired of this lunacy.

Andre
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Brian Hampton on July 03, 2020, 05:43:05 PM: Quote from: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 04:30:00 PM
...calculate the ratio of the diameter of a wuhan virus VS the size of the holes in an N95 filter mask...
Seeing that the virus is transported by water vapour it's probably better to compare the diameter of the vapour VS the N95 filter.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 06:43:02 PM: Quote from: Brian Hampton on July 03, 2020, 05:43:05 PM
Seeing that the virus is transported by water vapour it's probably better to compare the diameter of the vapour VS the N95 filter.

A test you can do - put on your mask, and then cook dinner, and see if you can smell it. The particles/vapor carrying the scent are much larger than any virus.

Brett
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 03, 2020, 06:43:39 PM: Quote from: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 04:30:00 PM

If you want to dispute the reality then I suggest you go calculate the ratio of the diameter of a wuhan virus VS the size of the holes in an N95 filter mask, then get back to me.

Brett

Let's see a FART can pass by 2 butt cheeks a pair of underwear and a pair of Levi's across the room and you can still smell it I don't think a virus that is 1/2 the size of a fart molecule will be stopped by a mask.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Arlan McKee on July 03, 2020, 07:35:08 PM: Quote from: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 06:43:02 PM
A test you can do - put on your mask, and then cook dinner, and see if you can smell it. The particles/vapor carrying the scent are much larger than any virus.

Brett
Quote from: RC Storick on July 03, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
Let's see a FART can pass by 2 butt cheeks a pair of underwear and a pair of Levi's across the room and you can still smell it I don't think a virus that is 1/2 the size of a fart molecule will be stopped by a mask.

Stop It!!!
You guys are making entirely too much sense.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Crist Rigotti on July 03, 2020, 07:58:14 PM: Ditto what Andre said!
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Andre Ming on July 03, 2020, 10:45:50 PM: Tesla's mogul Elon Musk used to be the MSM's darling. Now he's becoming an enemy because he's figuring out the way things are and isn't afraid to say so. Some of you might find this interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUmJxoNdRik

Andre
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Brett Buck on July 03, 2020, 11:15:44 PM: I would add- I don't exempt myself, I expect to get it (and may have already), and there is certainly a chance that I could die, just like anyone else. Given that there is little practical that I can do about it, I *chose* to just move forward as best I can, and whatever happens, happens. If other people want to make other choices, that is fine by me. What I don't like is where other people's decisions are somehow binding *on me*.

Brett
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Keith Renecle on July 04, 2020, 12:35:20 AM: All I have to say is THANK YOU to Brett and Robert for those "smelly" remarks! That sure made my day. Here in Darkest Africa, we are into the 100th day of lock-down and it's depressing to say the least. From today we have been given (how kind!) permission to go to our clubs and fly our toys.....BUT ....under strict protocols, of course for our own protection and not increasing this so-called exponential spread. Our club is a large R/C club with area's for fixed wing, heli's, drones and C/L and we have around 180 members. A maximum of only 15 are allowed for fixed wing and C/L (together) and you have to pre-book on a first come first served basis. There is also a 7 page document of rules to obey at this club!

I believe that there is more than enough factual evidence right now to affirm that at least 80% (or higher) of those infected with Covid 19 are either unaffected or will have non-life threatening symptoms. There are therefore no scientific reasons for locking down and screwing the economies of the vast majority of the world. The big question is....who caused this screw-up? The answer to that is YES! It is indeed the WHO that started this fear-mongering panic or Scamdemic.

I was also wondering how the US Nats will be run?

Keith R
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: kevin king on July 04, 2020, 01:10:07 AM: I fear the 'Order Followers' more than I fear the pandemic.😁
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 04, 2020, 04:29:47 AM: Is there anyone willing to bet that after November 3rd Wuhan Virus will be in the rearview mirror? I think this Plandemic was just a trial run at social engineering. Whilst this Chinese plague is a serious one you don't Quarnteen healthy people you isolate the sick to protect the healthy.

I am still waiting for the straw that breaks the camels back and when that day comes I will be ready to muster on the side of the US and not the communist.

Some of these people don't play well with others and just like in school they will be spanked, a dunce cap will be placed on their head and set down in the corner to reflect on what they have done. Carry-on Patriots on this 244 birthday of the greatest nation on earth.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 04, 2020, 04:47:51 AM: Quote from: Keith Renecle on July 04, 2020, 12:35:20 AM
I believe that there is more than enough factual evidence right now to affirm that at least 80% (or higher) of those infected with Covid 19 are either unaffected or will have non-life threatening symptoms. There are therefore no scientific reasons for locking down and screwing the economies of the vast majority of the world. The big question is....who caused this screw-up? The answer to that is YES! It is indeed the WHO that started this fear-mongering panic or Scamdemic.
Keith R

The answer to this question as to who started this pandemic. It's the United Nations agenda 21 and after the last election now it's agenda 2030. This scam is being run by world leaders who seek to be rulers. Our job will be more than just say NO it will be an all-out battle between good and evil.

It gets worse before it gets better
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Steve Dwyer on July 04, 2020, 07:05:01 AM: So now we're down to fear of fart molecules, better start lining your mask with charcoal. You gotta keep from confusing your gaseous cooking molecules and from your A-hole from airborne particulate. The CDC and NIOSH are govt. agencies so we should automatically believe they are "padding" the numbers on mask effectiveness, testing, and deaths. Let's be smart or better yet clever and hype the mindset of government control and fear as basis for opposition. And let's listen to the gazillion "experts" out there posting videos on platforms that seem comfortable to park in front of because we have become fed up with the establishment. Far be it that we "men" will stoop to allowing anyone to tell us what to do or what is safe practices. Now, how about a show of hands of the still smokers out there or the past smokers, nice, why'd you quit? Go on light them up the numbers on deaths were from the government so why the concern right. While you're at it don't fasten your government-controlled seat belts either or better yet remove them, they are uncomfortable anyway. Be a tough guy, be independent, have a couple of shots before you climb behind the wheel, stand up for your rights, take a stand, you'll find someone to impress no one should tell you anything even when the opposing driver at 70mph fails to stay in lane. While you're at it prepare your obit otherwise they will say "he was a nice guy, kind of hard-headed though, never liked being told what to do"

Guys, I like my life, I'm happy with a wonderful wife and family. Great kids and grandkids. I like my friends and would never want to risk hurting them. Why would I want to lose it all because of stubbornness and lack of consideration for all of these people and myself? Some states and countries have better numbers than others on cases and deaths because the public accepts public safety guidelines. we must stop comparing this virus to earlier strains, we just don't yet understand enough about Covid-19, why drink the Kool-aid??? Have a safe and happy Fourth.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: dennis lipsett on July 04, 2020, 07:23:25 AM: Well said
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Fredvon4 on July 04, 2020, 07:35:49 AM: Thank you Brett: "What I don't like is where other people's decisions are somehow binding *on me*."

In Texas Gov Abbot's new Executive order caused many counties to impose misdemeanor citations and fines up to 1000 dollars
Some sheriffs have publicly stated the will NOT enforce a clearly unconstitutional law/ordinance

I and my Frau self isolate as modest rural preppers....we have multiple freezers, very large pantry, yadda yadda....as retired military we shop Ft Hood commissary ever 60~90 days for bulk goods. meat eggs milk n produce locally as needed. during our self imposed lock down/quarantine

I was stupid and smoked for 5 decades....you know my COPD is a bad thing ....I do wear a mask where mandated for entry....funny most workers I encounter have theirs down off their nose...as I do

Being mandated under penalty of fine or imprisonment* is not constitutional IMO

* Yes Virginia you can be arrested and jailed for not wearing a mandated piece of ineffectual cloth

some one will doubt this assertion....argue with a dumb cop (yea I know we are supposed to love and revere them all) or rack up the max amount of misdemeanors and you will be arrested and set to see a magistrate or judge for your bail hearing.......ask a retired soldier who is long haired tattooed and rode a Harley how I know
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: John Lindberg on July 04, 2020, 07:38:56 AM: Quote from: RC Storick on July 04, 2020, 04:47:51 AM
The answer to this question as to who started this pandemic. It's the United Nations agenda 21 and after the last election now it's agenda 2030. This scam is being run by world leaders who seek to be rulers. Our job will be more than just say NO it will be an all-out battle between good and evil.

It gets worse before it gets better
I believe there is a lot of truth here in Sparky's post! They are having "citizens of the world" episodes on the cable channels, they are ashamed to be Americans, and there paychecks are determined by their devotion to a One-World Government!
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Gerald Arana on July 04, 2020, 07:40:45 AM: Quote from: RC Storick on July 03, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
Let's see a FART can pass by 2 butt cheeks a pair of underwear and a pair of Levi's across the room and you can still smell it I don't think a virus that is 1/2 the size of a fart molecule will be stopped by a mask.

OMG! I'm laughing my a$$ off! LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

That is sooo funny!

Jerry
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 04, 2020, 07:45:25 AM: Quote from: Fredvon4 on July 04, 2020, 07:35:49 AM
Being mandated under penalty of fine or imprisonment* is not constitutional IMO
* Yes Virginia you can be arrested and jailed for not wearing a mandated piece of ineffectual cloth

Ever since the COPS removed to protect and serve off their cars. It has become the Land of the FEE and the Home of the Slave
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 04, 2020, 07:53:09 AM: don't get me wrong Police are needed but the very word police comes from Policy enforcer. A policy, EO, mandate,etc.. is not a LAW. What is a LAW? Let's see its an edict written down on a piece of paper that a group of people appointed by people whom you didn't elect. Lawyers A constitutional Sherrif is the only true peace officer in the state.
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: RC Storick on July 04, 2020, 08:02:25 AM: Think of this
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Andre Ming on July 04, 2020, 08:15:15 AM: Steve:

No one, or future law, is going to force you to remove your mask. As you state, you need to live your life in the manner you feel you should. That is your right. It is also your right to self-quarantine, and whatever else you feel you need to do on a personal and family level in order to feel that you and yours are staying as safe as you feel you reasonably can. I totally get that and you have the right to do so.

As you've read, there are many of us that view this virus issue differently. We feel we are hearing "the other side" from "experts" that are telling a very different side to this "crisis". In addition, some of us are trying to look past the narrative and do our best to find/read what stats we can find and thus we connect the dots differently.

I am not one that is favor of mandatory mask usage. However, I'm not militant about it. IF a business establishment requires a mask, my solution is simple: Either I could wear one if I choose to and patronize the establishment, or I can decline to do so and not patronize the establishment. Both the wife and I have chosen to exercise our right of choice by choosing the latter in recent weeks in view of non-essentials. However, we are willing to dawn masks for something we feel is essential to do. Example: Earlier this week, when we went to vote in our state elections, we took masks with us in case masks were required, for we were determined we WERE voting even if we had to wear a latex suit and respirators. A mask was not required, so we didn't need them, but we WERE going to wear them under those circumstances.

However, during those times that I must be out and about (I'm quite the hermit, actually) in an open environment (i.e. a location that doesn't require masks), I personally will respect those that ARE wearing masks by doing my best to give them much more than 6' of space for their peace of mind. (Which I doubt helps, because they're probably judging me and experiencing mental anguish at me for not wearing a mask.) And, though at this time I chose to not wear a mask, I for sure would not shame, or antagonize, those that choose to wear a mask. Unfortunately, that doesn't always seem to be the case from the those in favor of mandatory masks. As an example, in one of the comment sections under a Trump speech video I read this comment from a "David Anderson": "Get near me without a mask I'll knock you out."

IMHO, "David Anderson" has issues. From his comment it appears he chooses to break self-quarantine and get out among the public, yet he insists all those around him conform to HIS decisions and mode of operation because David Anderson is now among them. If he feels that strongly about it, he should stay home as much as possible and have his household needs delivered, which is certainly a viable option. He has that option. But no, his statement indicates HE wants to get out in public, but HE wants the public to conform to HIS preferences. THAT is the issue I have with this.

So, the bottom line is, as you say, you "like your life". Well, so do we. (Those of differing opinion.) We like what we had going here in America (specifically our freedoms), and we don't want to willingly surrender it to those that feel we should in order to appease their whims concerning a situation in which there's NO concrete evidence yay or nay about what exactly is going on.

I do not intend my comments here to belittle your decision to wear masks when in public, but by the same token, I would appreciate the same in return. Sadly, many in the general public at large have already decided that non-maskers are Satanic and need to be pounded into submission. THAT is what I have strong feelings against. (As I stated in the case of "David Anderson".) And again, IF this "wear the da*n mask" narrative was about protecting innocent lives that primarily comes from those that endorse Democrat policy, well... that's total bullsh*t, for the Democrats don't care about "innocent" lives, but I've elaborated on that already, so no need to go there again.

I sincerely wish you and your family the best, Steve.

Andre
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Fredvon4 on July 04, 2020, 08:35:18 AM: If I can a few from my FB page

you may be curious why the Gun Stats.....think about it
1 riots....concerns on personal and family safety
2 government tyrannical behavior stomping on the constitution
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Steve Dwyer on July 04, 2020, 10:20:15 AM: Andre,
I respect your reply and for taking the time for an honest personal opinion. Some here unfortunately, like to simply stir the pot and tend to display their personalities doing so. Anyway, I'm not a big proponent of mandatory anything. Everyone has the right in this country to express their opinions which is a wonderful right. Perhaps we should have safe zones or safe stores and unsafe places to satisfy everyone, the real problem is opposing feelings have created anger. People too often feel others are in violation of their opinions and desires. If we decide to enter an establishment and it looks risky we leave, we don't have to stay. Actually dwelling in an enclosed restaurant space with minimal air change is an opportunity for an increased rate of airborne spore count so we prefer to stay outside. I will not belittle the patrons that are not practicing safety, just allow me the safe distance to meet my wishes. Shopping is different most stores we frequent have safe practices in place, yet we still use caution. I have a good friend living in another state where the number of growing cases is going thru the roof, we live where the SD practice is well accepted and the numbers are declining and death rates are nearing nothing. For this, we are happy and feel fortunate to be here. He has a ho-hum attitude while he has some health issues that leave him susceptible for serious trouble. I sense he's is frustrated after recently investing in a home with no alternative, he'll never admit it.

We can only hope this annoying impact on our lifestyle will eventually go away.
Steve
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Fredvon4 on July 04, 2020, 12:41:44 PM: Hey Steve we can empirically PROVE seat belts work....HAVING been head on by a drunk and surviving I obviously have a strong opinion on both your un related analogies
We can Empirically prove only certain respirators work on a high VOCS or virus and also prove a crochet or cotton mask is worthless....

Not one opinion here EVER suggested you or your family do not wear a mask
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Gary Dowler on July 04, 2020, 11:25:04 PM: Quote from: George Grossardt on July 02, 2020, 08:46:57 AM
128,000 dead in the US and 50,000 new cases a day.

Yup, it’s no big deal.

I understand there is no way to change someone’s mind, so I won’t try. The virus isn’t just about me though, it’s about all those I care about and even those I don’t. I’ll take precautions for those around me.

Just my thoughts.
George, several things need to be mentioned.
First is the lie that is the death toll. Thousands have been added to this number that were never tested, but assumed. Look that up if you don’t believe me. Then there are many more in NY state added who had died from other causes, homicide, car crash, suicide, etc, who tested positive for exposure in the medical examiners office, and were then added to the covid list.
Then we come to thousands more who died WITH covid, and not FROM covid. Important distinction. The 87 yo with heart disease who was already on the way out , and just happened to contract the virus the simply pushed him over the edge, should hardly be listed as killed by the virus.

The truth of the death toll is that the real number, people directly killed by it who would not have otherwise died, is probably half, or less, of the official number.

Then you must consider the rate of infection or exposure. The CDC has finally acknowledged that the real infection rate is at least 10X the official number. Several other studies have recently been undertaken, most notably from Stanford, which suggest that the spread may be 3-5X the new CDC number! This is a VERY GOOD thing!! Why??
Because even if we assume the death toll to be correct, this means the death rate falls to a small fraction of the “official “ rate. The death toll doesn’t change, but if we have 10x, or 50x the number of infections, the fatality rate drops to 1/10 to 1/50 the current stated rate.

As to the numbers of increased cases, first, see the above. Simply more cases to be found. Then, we are testing VASTLY more people every day than even 2 weeks ago. More testing WILL find more cases. That’s simple. Then, today the number you see on the news is a combination of confirmed infections, AND people testing positive for exposure, who never came down with the disease.
Then, too, many cases are coming to light that indicate sone tests are showing false positives because the person tested had recently had a cold, which is a covid virus, and the test simply cannot tell the difference.

Just for what it’s worth.

Gary
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Keith Renecle on July 05, 2020, 12:05:26 AM: For the last few years I was wondering why so many across the world simply accept all of this politically correct nonsense and the weaponizing of the LGBTQ etc, movements and social justice warriors with their "Twitchforks". I listened to Douglas Murray on YouTube and then ordered his book called the "Madness of Crowds". It was an excellent read and showed what is driving these movements. It is the Marxist, Communist, Socialist movement that caused unrest and disruption to further their global aims, firstly with the working class and as that fizzled out, then they needed other method's that used any kind of crisis. The climate change extinction mob helped quite nicely, especially when it got to the global warming from the great freeze narrative, and then the kids (Greta and crowd) were stirred up. This Covid 19 scamdemic was like God's gift to this mob, and add to that the BLM crowd that made incredibly good use of the George Floyd incident that has spread across much of the globe. The real issue is that the "sheeple" simply swallow all these narratives and don't see where all of this taking everyone that believes in true freedom.

This video is a little dramatic but illustrates the point very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qne4YAAqGL8

Keith R
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Bill Adair on July 05, 2020, 01:34:56 AM: While eating breakfast I ran out of things to read, so I picked up the box of masks I ordered when they started talking about local fines and violence against those who do not wear them. Whoa, what the hell, on one end of the box in very small letters it says "made in Hunan province China" !!!

Could it be they found a way to keep the virus alive for months, and these masks are how it spreads so fast in the USA?

Not a chance, right? ;D ;D ;D

Bill
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Gary Dowler on July 05, 2020, 01:55:44 AM: Quote from: Crist Rigotti on July 03, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
Ditto!
Make it a double Ditto!!!
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: Gary Dowler on July 05, 2020, 01:59:20 AM: Quote from: Bill Adair on July 05, 2020, 01:34:56 AM
While eating breakfast I ran out of things to read, so I picked up the box of masks I ordered when they started talking about local fines and violence against those who do not wear them. Whoa, what the hell, on one end of the box in very small letters it says "made in Hunan province China" !!!

Could it be they found a way to keep the virus alive for months, and these masks are how it spreads so fast in the USA?

Not a chance, right? ;D ;D ;D

Bill

Check this out. Medical surgical masks, being made in India.

Fills a guy with confidence, eh??

Gary

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=--pwI4E9tsk
Title: Re: Stop the fear mongering
Post by: John Lindberg on July 05, 2020, 07:28:12 AM: Quote from: Keith Renecle on July 05, 2020, 12:05:26 AM
For the last few years I was wondering why so many across the world simply accept all of this politically correct nonsense and the weaponizing of the LGBTQ etc, movements and social justice warriors with their "Twitchforks". I listened to Douglas Murray on YouTube and then ordered his book called the "Madness of Crowds". It was an excellent read and showed what is driving these movements. It is the Marxist, Communist, Socialist movement that caused unrest and disruption to further their global aims, firstly with the working class and as that fizzled out, then they needed other method's that used any kind of crisis. The climate change extinction mob helped quite nicely, especially when it got to the global warming from the great freeze narrative, and then the kids (Greta and crowd) were stirred up. This Covid 19 scamdemic was like God's gift to this mob, and add to that the BLM crowd that made incredibly good use of the George Floyd incident that has spread across much of the globe. The real issue is that the "sheeple" simply swallow all these narratives and don't see where all of this taking everyone that believes in true freedom.
Very interesting, informative! I don't trust Bill Gates as far as I can throw all his money when loaded on palates, here's some more videos: https://www.jbs.org/jbs-weekly/
This video is a little dramatic but illustrates the point very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qne4YAAqGL8

Keith R