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Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« on: December 12, 2017, 01:40:22 PM »
Who here remembers these old built up kits.

Who here still owns n flies them?

I now have both of them and found a guy who lazer cuts a short kit of the N28 and will laser cut the Fokker in the coming months for a rather good price.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 03:37:47 PM »
Hi James . Neat kits it would be nice to have them lasered out of good wood  #^
My son Otto has the DVII but it is not an easy kit for a 10 year old

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 03:39:49 PM »
Hi James . Neat kits it would be nice to have them lasered out of good wood  #^
My son Otto has the DVII but it is not an easy kit for a 10 year old

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You can get the laser Short run when its ready.. no leading or trailing edge tho... get ready to carve


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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 04:20:08 PM »


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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 05:47:18 PM »
Larry Lindburg and I have one of each we picked up at swapmeets. We plan on having a dogfight this year.
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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 06:53:49 PM »
I built the Fokker kit in high school, probably in my sophomore year, like 1963 ? Had a McCoy .19 in it. It would definatley be a bit of nastaulgia to build another one.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2017, 07:22:11 PM »
Back in 1972/73 I built the D-VII and then the SE5A.  Put a Series 21 Mcoy 35 in the D-VII which made it go like a rocket to the scene of the crash on the first flight attempt.  It wasn't pilot error it was a control system issue that I knew was present.  Rather then cut the fuselage apart to do a proper fix my dad and older brother (not wanting to see my work go to waste) attempted a fix via the cockpit opening....it didn't work.   I may have gotten a full lap in on it or maybe not.  After release it climbed out like a home sick angel to about the 45 degree mark and then followed that same arc into the ground with not a hint of pulling out regardless of my control input.  In my "joy" of having sort of finally being "done with it" I stomped the meager remains into the ground (but I saved the fuel tank and motor and such of course).  I was not really sad about the crash, but I did like building the model.

The SE5 got finished and was powered by a Fox 29, Then a Fox .19 and then a Fox 15.  The smaller motors produce a much more "scale" type of flight that I would say bordered on "Bi-slob" type antic's.  You could stall it and such similar to a Bi-slob (but I never let it flop around like the Bi-slob can do).  It was a fun fun flyer.  Back in those days we didn't know much about how they could be made to fly better. But still it was a great time.  I really enjoyed the building.  Got a picture somewhere that I'll post later.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2017, 08:53:01 PM »
   I can remember reading in several magazines that the SE-5 from that series was capable of the "full schedule" of the AMA pattern, as they put it back then. I think they were referring to what we call the Old Tyme pattern now. I have seen a D-7 fly here that a local club member built years ago and it seemed to fly well enough for it's age. I have all three kits in the stash for "some day".
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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2017, 08:58:11 PM »
I have an offer on Ebay to get thr Se5a at a steal of $50.. but i dont know if its comolete as the seller says it appears to be.. not good enough answer for me to buy it.


My pop built the DVII in the 70's and bragged n bragged bout how great it was. He still had it(in pieces) when i was young but its made its way into the garbage during the divorce.

 He still has his Nieuport 28 partially built so the laser cut SRK will suit him well.

 As much as I want to build the DVII adn Nieuport cause the wood really isnt that terrible.  Im just lost on what to do.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2017, 10:09:45 PM »
Somewhat off topic perhaps but....  How's bout that PT-17 of the series?   

Heavy Danger: War story in coming.

While I was building the D-VII mentioned above, a fellow flying buddy (Ken House...you still out there Ken?) was building the PT-17 that his father had bought.  It was to be painted in the scheme of a PT-17 his dad had seen (and had pictures of) in the Colorado Springs area some years before. Btw, this is all taking place at RAF Wethersfield in the U.K.  (Former USAF Brat here, ladies and germs). The color scheme was to be overall silver dope with a few splashes of black and yellow.  When complete the silver did not really live up to the photo and Ken wished he could have done it in a more traditional overall Strearman yellow scheme, ala the box art.  His dad, having been the purchaser of the kit, insisted that the model stay as per the photo.  Try as Ken might he could not produce a good finish in the silver Humbrol dope he was using.  After a full winter of building he finally convinced his father that the yellow would be a better choice and dad finally caved.  Of course by the time it was done there was a lot of paint on it so the weight was up (but what did we know about that?....nutting that's what, ha ha.   He also used small gauge piano wire for the lead-out material and for some reason the controls were rather stiff and not all that free moving.  I had mentioned this to him during the build but he believed it was going to be o.k.   Well come spring time, it was time to fly.  I think I crashed the D-VII in short order and within a few weekends Ken was ready with the PT-17. McCoy .29 red head in the nose.  Well it was as if history was to repeat in a fashion.  The PT did a beautiful takeoff roll out and took the air and made a fantastic scene as it past me on the first lap.  Extremel cool!  But then things began to amiss.  By the way, Ken's dad was present for the maiden flight also.  The model went into a series of climbs and dives with each cycle getting larger and larger in amplitude.  It was very sad, the longer it flew the worse the cycle got until the it was basicly doing wing overs at one point and the it went almost straight in.  I remember that Ken was devastated, but I'm not sure it was because of the crash or because his dad was watching the crash of "his" model plane.  His dad did not say much in the way of condolences to sooth Ken's state of mind, but he did say, "Pick up every piece of that thing and bring it home. Your going to rebuild it."  Ken did just that. There weren't much left but tooth picks and tissue paper.  True to his dads word, he began the rebuild of the model. The law had been laid down. He could not start on another model until the basket case of a Stearman was back together.  I'm rather sure Ken grew to hate that model. He did give it the best attempt at rebuilding it (with all the original wood mind you) but as I watched the results were extremely poor. He worked at it for weeks on end.  In time his father relented and the PT-17 was resigned to the garbage. Ken started on a Nobler I think.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 05:27:49 AM »
Somewhat off topic perhaps but....  How's bout that PT-17 of the series?   

Heavy Danger: War story in coming.

While I was building the D-VII mentioned above, a fellow flying buddy (Ken House...you still out there Ken?) was building the PT-17 that his father had bought.  It was to be painted in the scheme of a PT-17 his dad had seen (and had pictures of) in the Colorado Springs area some years before. Btw, this is all taking place at RAF Wethersfield in the U.K.  (Former USAF Brat here, ladies and germs). The color scheme was to be overall silver dope with a few splashes of black and yellow.  When complete the silver did not really live up to the photo and Ken wished he could have done it in a more traditional overall Strearman yellow scheme, ala the box art.  His dad, having been the purchaser of the kit, insisted that the model stay as per the photo.  Try as Ken might he could not produce a good finish in the silver Humbrol dope he was using.  After a full winter of building he finally convinced his father that the yellow would be a better choice and dad finally caved.  Of course by the time it was done there was a lot of paint on it so the weight was up (but what did we know about that?....nutting that's what, ha ha.   He also used small gauge piano wire for the lead-out material and for some reason the controls were rather stiff and not all that free moving.  I had mentioned this to him during the build but he believed it was going to be o.k.   Well come spring time, it was time to fly.  I think I crashed the D-VII in short order and within a few weekends Ken was ready with the PT-17. McCoy .29 red head in the nose.  Well it was as if history was to repeat in a fashion.  The PT did a beautiful takeoff roll out and took the air and made a fantastic scene as it past me on the first lap.  Extremel cool!  But then things began to amiss.  By the way, Ken's dad was present for the maiden flight also.  The model went into a series of climbs and dives with each cycle getting larger and larger in amplitude.  It was very sad, the longer it flew the worse the cycle got until the it was basicly doing wing overs at one point and the it went almost straight in.  I remember that Ken was devastated, but I'm not sure it was because of the crash or because his dad was watching the crash of "his" model plane.  His dad did not say much in the way of condolences to sooth Ken's state of mind, but he did say, "Pick up every piece of that thing and bring it home. Your going to rebuild it."  Ken did just that. There weren't much left but tooth picks and tissue paper.  True to his dads word, he began the rebuild of the model. The law had been laid down. He could not start on another model until the basket case of a Stearman was back together.  I'm rather sure Ken grew to hate that model. He did give it the best attempt at rebuilding it (with all the original wood mind you) but as I watched the results were extremely poor. He worked at it for weeks on end.  In time his father relented and the PT-17 was resigned to the garbage. Ken started on a Nobler I think.

T.
Great story!

My dad in fact picked up a Sterling PT17 at our contest in October. My dad isnt one to collect kits.. if he buys he is going to build. Doesnt matter how crappy the wood or how heavy. He is adament to build them. Im hoping he doesn't so when he passes in to that big cloud up high they all come to me lol

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 07:07:10 AM »
I built the SE-5 when I was 13.It was a hell of a project as I remember, but I muddled through it and it turned out great. Took it to the field and test flew it, McCoy 19 and it flew great. That same day, we all piled into a friends car to go to lunch from the field and I plopped into the back seat without looking and sat on his brand new Ringmaster JR Flash.Smashed in a million pieces. My Father made me give him the SE-5, never saw it again.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 04:57:36 PM »
Thet were neat kits,  the only Sterling biplanes I've built were the Waco and a Flying Fool.   The Fool flew pretty well with a Torp. 29 but the Waco was just a heavy box with a McCoy 35 and flew like it !!
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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 06:07:36 PM »
The DVII lower wing has flaps as well!

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2017, 08:58:37 AM »
Hi Jamie. Don't try to do stunts with anything less than a hot .40 up front. Sterling Steelworks made very heavy kits.  I am convinced they used rejected balsa from a tank builder. LL~ LL~ LL~
Oh i won't be building these kits. I have a buddy that's goin to laser cut short kits of the DVII and N28.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2017, 07:46:43 PM »
I have the Fokker dvii with a fox 35 in it. I was given this plane finished but I haven't flown it as the controls seem to be very loose. I also have the se5 that my brother started to build 40 years ago. Some day I hope to get them both flying.  George

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 11:00:12 AM »
Here's one you don't see very often :
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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 11:00:59 AM »
Ohhh

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 11:52:49 AM »
Now that one would be good to replicate.  I've had and flown the Stearman with a Wankel on it.  And the Nieuport went into the trash.
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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2017, 11:02:24 PM »
Thet were neat kits,  the only Sterling biplanes I've built were the Waco and a Flying Fool.   


         In the eighties I took a Flying Fool and turned it into a D VII. Didn't know then that Sterling had a Fokker D VII kit!!

         It's still flying with a Fox 36 plain bearing. It needs lots of speed on the landings.

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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2017, 03:34:37 PM »
Finally found the old photo I mention above. 

My Sterling D-VII, the SE5 in the bones and a Sterling Corsair work in progress.  That's me on the left and Bobby Childs on the right.  Bobby and his dad flew a Fox .35 powered Ringmater, which was huge to us at the time being 42" in span. Watchin his dad hand flip that Fox was scary, and the noise (no muffer) was insane.  He and his dad are no doubt a major reason why I and my brother got into c/l.

The SE5 I gave away in 1975 as I new it would never survive a trip from England to the U.S. in a household-goods military shipment.
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Re: Sterling Nieuport 28 and Fokker DVII 34"
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2017, 03:35:32 PM »
Finally found the old photo I mention above. 

My Sterling D-VII, the SE5 in the bones and a Sterling Corsair work in progress.  That's me on the left and Bobby Childs on the right.  Bobby and his dad flew a Fox .35 powered Ringmater, which was huge to us at the time being 42" in span. Watchin his dad hand flip that Fox was scary, and the noise (no muffer) was insane.  He and his dad are no doubt a major reason why I and my brother got into c/l.

The SE5 I gave away in 1975 as I new it would never survive a trip from England to the U.S. in a household-goods military shipment.
Nice!!!!

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