That must've happened after I stopped flying at meets; by late '59 I was totally out of the loop. But I remember a Bill Arrowsmith; he was from Rochester. Took First in Open Combat at the 58 Nats, with a T-Square. Let me drop some names from the Ithaca club: Charlie Phillips, Al Smith, Strether "Stretch" Smith, Dave DeSantis. Any of them sound familiar? Any pictures from back then would be wonderful to see.