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Offline john e. holliday

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SPOILED
« on: July 09, 2008, 09:29:33 AM »
I had to come back here after just reading a few posts on the Sterling "Viper" kit.  Are we spoiled now with the kits that are being produce now?  Especially the kits that a few individuals are producing.  I can still remember using the single edge razor blade to cut the parts for the old Comet kits.  Then I seen the Scientific kits that were mostly ready to glue together.  Berkerly kits were a young mans dream kit with all the scale models they produced.  Sterling with all die crunching was still something to behold.  Then A-J Aircraft with the "Firecat" was really the dream kit.  Then in my later teen years the folks(Mom & Dad) got me the Top Flite "Nobler" for Christmas.  I thought I had died and went to heaven.  Almost forgot to mention the Veco kits that were also the ultimate in kits.  I don't remember replacing any of the wood in any of the kits at that time as I thought they knew more than I did at that time.  As far as balsa I think Lone Star went out of their way to give us top quality balsa as well as SIG MFG and a few others.  But, it is the same with engines, Fox, K&B, O&R and Johnson were the engines of choice.  1/2A was OK Cub, Atwood, K&B and Cox.  Would I go back to the good old days?  No way.  DOC Holliday
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Offline Dalton Hammett

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 10:04:41 AM »

No question the kits have come a long way.  I remember building a Sterling Waco biplane - flew like a ceement
block but I loved it.    I do still like flying my old fingerburning K&B .32s though.

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Offline Just One-eye

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 10:39:59 AM »
I don't remember a "Viper".  I do remember the pre-bagged days, when you could open (not to remove a part, else you'd not get things back in place) the kits and see the wood quality, the die cut sharpness (or not), etc.  I built just one Circus King, from the terrible wood that PDQ used, which was worse than what Sterling offered.  I can't recall the kind of die cutting that the Circus King had, but it really seems to me that the newest Ringmaster kit I ever saw, which would've been in 1952, I suppose, was already Sterling style "die-smashed". 

Having given up on spark ignition 60s in 1950, my next modelling attempts were based on a couple of 09s, the OK Cub, and an Arden, both of which gave me trouble, but did keep running more than a half a lap (no one told me back then about the need to move the spark advance after starting -- I didn't know any adult modellers my first two years of attempts).  I built several Enterprise and Scientific kits for those 09s -- the only one that flew moderately well was named the "Slick Trick". 

Comparing Veco kits to Berkeley, PDQ, and Sterling, the quality difference favoring Veco was obvious to anyone willing to pause and actually LOOK.  I built those when I finally got a first "big" glow engine, a Torp 29 (and when I could afford the cost of the kits).  Tomahawks, Warriors, Braves, I loved 'em.  I probably built more Circus King scratch builts at the time, because they were somewhat simpler, with fewer parts, than the Brave or Tomahawk.  I never scratch built a Tomahawk to the same design as the kit, modifying my scratched versions into something closer to what the Dumas version would be, years later, with only two spars instead of about four.

Oh, well, the question is would I go back?  Not to the hardware of the day, no.  But to the spirit and the patriotism and the enthusiasm that even older people were feeling then, in spite of the "Cold War"?  Yes, I most surely would do that!

Offline Dennis Adamisin

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 04:51:30 PM »
Right on target Doc!

Today's laser kits are so good its almost cheating - and the dies never get dull!  There are some things I am just not THAT nostalgic for.

However, anyone care to speculate HOW FAST you could build an AJ Firecat using modern CA glues, 5 minute epoxy and then moneycoting it?  Maybe 3 hrs RTF?
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Offline Russell Shaffer

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 06:32:18 PM »
Yes, we are spoiled.  I do remember the Sterling stuff. I can remember wishing they would just print the wood like Comet instead of crushing it.   I am amazed at the quality and price of the current Sig profile kits. Sig's ply is cut better than Sterling's balsa, at least in the kits I can remember.  The die cutting is great and the wood isn't bad.  Just use the heavy pieces in the outboard wing.  And this is the high volume stuff - I would probably fall over to see a custom kit from one of the cottage people?  I have to admit to using antique engines, though. 
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Offline Dennis Moritz

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 06:53:42 PM »
The new Brodak laser kits are of amazing quality especially when considering the price.

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2008, 10:38:07 AM »
Guess I don't know what I am missing out on as I haven't built a kit for years. I really like building from plans and cutting my own parts. I also love running the old engines in my planes. Nothing like the bark of a Fox 59 or an Anderson Spitfire on the end of the lines. A McCoy or Fox in a Ringmaster brings me back to the old days, and I just smile all the time I am flying those. I do things kind of backwards as I pick planes to go with engines rather than engines to go with planes. I have one of Dale Kirns old Atwood 63's and am looking for a plane to put it in. Probably stick it in my Super Zilch test bed plane for now. It has had a Super Cyke, an Ohlsson front valve 60, a Fox 59, and a McCoy 40 in it so far. I know the new stuff is way more competitive and is light years ahead of the old, but I am just having to much fun with the old. It also helps when one of your old R/C flying bud's gives you a couple of thousand dollars worth of contest balsa. Pretty hard to justify buying a kit.
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Offline don Burke

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2008, 11:24:28 AM »
Hindsight is always 20-20.  It is very easy to "bash" Sterling and Berkeley, but most of those our age got their start using their stuff.  Sure quality has improved in the past few years with laser cutting, but I for one am glad that that old stuff was available and it really got me started a long time before I started designing my own and cutting from sheet stock.

I'm glad we're "Spoiled", wouldn't have it any other way!  Sure wish I could have a laser cutter in my own shop!
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Offline Andrew Hathaway

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Re: SPOILED
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 11:46:36 AM »
I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle, being younger then most of you guys... When I got started Sterling was at the tail end of their program.  Still, the first plane I really flew was a Sterling kit, and my first big plane was a S1 Ringmaster.  But I also had a Hellcat and a late Jr Ringmaster that were trash... I also got a S2 Mustang kit that was given to me by the guy at the hobby shop because someone bought it for a science fair project, buying into the nonsense on the box, and brought it back cause it was unbuildable.  I don't know if I'd say we're spoiled now.  Honestly, the current kits are ok, but there's still only so much you can do with a kit.  Personally I prefer to build from scratch.  I like having control over the wood selection, and the ability to make changes at will, or redesign where I feel the original falls short.  Since 1994 the only kits I've built have been that S2 (after substituting wood and working at it for 10+ years between real projects) and a Magnum that's been waiting for paint for about 12 years now.  I've got a couple kits that are really nice, almost too nice to build.  I've been hoarding a Custom Models Buccaneer 740 for almost 15 years now.  It still wow's me everytime I open the box and look at the contents.  I haven't seen anything else that really comes close to the same level. 


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