Social distancing

[jerry v]

Will social distancing make the stooge the most indispensable piece of equipment in nowadays of control line stunt?

Jerry

[Bootlegger]

 
   If it didn't it sure would be close to the top!!!

[Dave_Trible]

No.  Just build airplanes with VERY LONG tail moments...

Dave

[Jim Kraft]

That is why they call it U-control. U run your lines out, U fuel your plane. U connect the battery. U hold the plane. U start the engine. U run to the handle. U release the plane from the stooge, and U take off and fly. With some luck U land.

It is the same thing my wife says about self winding watches. U wind it your own self. 

[FLOYD CARTER]

Here we are with the "self-quarantine" and "social distancing" barely a few weeks old, and a large part of the population now believes it is OK to go back to the old ways.

I'm not convinced, so I'll fly off of a stooge, and I'll keep my distance from others at the flying field.

People tend to have short memories.

[eric david conley]

     I'm with you Floyd.

[Ken Culbertson]

That is why they call it U-control. U run your lines out, U fuel your plane. U connect the battery. U hold the plane. U start the engine. U run to the handle. U release the plane from the stooge, and U take off and fly. With some luck U land.

It is the same thing my wife says about self winding watches. U wind it your own self.

If it is your plane wouldn't it be "I Control"?

This brings up one of my pet problems with our safety code.  The way it is written, it is practicaly impossible for anyone flying electric to fly alone.  You can use a stooge for takeoff.  Few do but it is not unreasonable to use one.  The problem is in landing.  Who pulls the arming plug before you put down the handle?

Ken

[jerry v]

Ken,
Thank you for finally bringing it up!
It seems impossible to fly alone.  Because if electric model is ARMED, it have to be secured by helper/stooge/pilot by the rules. I guess, after landing pilot (if alone) will hold handle, walk over the lines back to the armed model, and pull the plug?

Jerry

[Dave_Trible]

If you are flying alone and there is nobody to injure and you aren’t in competition how can it matter?  However I have seen one electric stop, land then restart and take off again- two or three times.  You might have to chase it or hit the dirt.

Dave

[John Rist]

If it is your plane wouldn't it be "I Control"?

This brings up one of my pet problems with our safety code.  The way it is written, it is practicaly impossible for anyone flying electric to fly alone.  You can use a stooge for takeoff.  Few do but it is not unreasonable to use one.  The problem is in landing.  Who pulls the arming plug before you put down the handle?

Ken

Wet engines have the same problem.  What if you get you foot tangled  in the stooge release line as you run to the center of the circle?

I fly electric by myself.  To do it safely I place a stake in the center of the circle.  I loop the safety thong over the stake.  The thong is attached to the down line side of the handle.  If the motor starts before I get to the handle the thong pulls the down line and the ship noised over and kills the motor.  While flying I pull the stake, a large screw driver, so I don't trip over it.  When the flight is over I put the stake back in the ground and loop the safety thong back over it.  This allows me to pick up the airplane, pull the lines tight and walk the airplane back to the take off point.   In this manner, theoretically, the handle is never unattended.    Nothing is 100% safe, not even staying at home. 

[john e. holliday]

John beat me to it.  Stake the down line.  Hopefully the electronics will kill the motor.

[John Rist]

John beat me to it.  Stake the down line.  Hopefully the electronics will kill the motor.

Hopefully stop the motor not KILL it.               

[Brett Buck]

This brings up one of my pet problems with our safety code.  The way it is written, it is practicaly impossible for anyone flying electric to fly alone.  You can use a stooge for takeoff.  Few do but it is not unreasonable to use one.  The problem is in landing.  Who pulls the arming plug before you put down the handle?

and

It seems impossible to fly alone.  Because if electric model is ARMED, it have to be secured by helper/stooge/pilot by the rules.

  You fly with a stooge and no one around - in a contest? The arming plug rule is in the competition rules, not the safety code.

    If you are not at a contest, the competition rules do not apply, you can do anything you want as long as if stays within the safety code. The AMA safety code says nothing about arming plugs, and even other competition categories have no such rules, as far as I know.

   This is neither a problem with the rules, nor a problem with the safety code. Competition rules and the safety code are two separate things, with only one minor link.

      I can't understand this sort of complaint, it came up before, and I didn't understand it then, either. Why does anyone think that not following the competition rules on a practice flight is some sort of violation, and what would the penalty be?   
   
    Brett

[Brett Buck]

Here we are with the "self-quarantine" and "social distancing" barely a few weeks old, and a large part of the population now believes it is OK to go back to the old ways.

  Define "OK". Both of those are voluntary concepts, any attempt to "enforce" such things are black-letter unconstitutional and would have to be legally justified, even if there was martial law, which there isn't.

   Moreover, the idea was not to eliminate the spread of Wuhan flu, it was to *slow it down* to keep from overflowing the hospitals. The hospitals sit largely empty. "Flattening the curve " only saves net deaths by preventing that, otherwise the area under the curve is exactly the same as it would have been. People were willing to buy that argument. "14 days to flatten the curve". That has now gone on for 2 full months with no end in sight.

 The instant it started, the goalposts moved, and now, people are talking about continuing on with it for a year and a half, until there is a vaccine, or "new normal", where it NEVER goes back to the way it was.  That's swell, we will be in a depression that would make the 30's look like the Good Old Days, causing many more deaths that doing absolutely nothing about Wuhan. Already more people are dying of preventable causes than are dying of Wuhan, because they are afraid to go to the hospital. Either that, or Wuhan flu cures heart disease.

 If you want to talk responsible public policy, "panic people with ridiculous hyperbole into accepting something for two weeks, then change  to a year an a half at the first opportunity, or never, and in the process destroy the work of centuries" is not it. People are pissed off, they were lied to with a ridiculous "bait and switch" that is *completely destroying everything they have ever worked for*, over a flu that everyone expects will, at some point, be ubiquitous anyway.

   Anticipating the next complaint, since you guys want to "keep out politics", for once again injecting politics. What you want is one-sided politics, any opposition, now, *that* has to be kept out.

     Brett

[Ken Culbertson]

and

  You fly with a stooge and no one around - in a contest? The arming plug rule is in the competition rules, not the safety code.

    If you are not at a contest, the competition rules do not apply, you can do anything you want as long as if stays within the safety code. The AMA safety code says nothing about arming plugs, and even other competition categories have no such rules, as far as I know.

    Brett

Thanks - I tend to take the rule book as a whole but you are right(as usual when it comes to rules).  So I can fly again as soon as I have something to fly!
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THANKS - Ken

[FLOYD CARTER]

I should have realized that any public expression of common sense logic is a bad idea.

[Peter in Fairfax, VA]

The "kill the motor" comment sounds possible.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but does a crash typically take out the motor and controller?

[jerry v]

Comments inspired me to add a few quotes:

"Safety rules are written in blood"
"It's only illegal if you get caught"
"The one who believes in flawless functioning of cheap electronic components made in you know where - believes in real Santa Claus"

Jerry

[John Rist]

The "kill the motor" comment sounds possible.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but does a crash typically take out the motor and controller?

Some times yes however, I use the KR timer.  It turns every thing off when there is a drop in RPNs.  The KR timer is VERY protective of battery, ESC, and motor.   I have tested this by garbing a running motor with a rag.  Instant stop, no damage.
I am told that some of the high end ESC also have good safety factors built in that protect everything.   

[john e. holliday]

I know it will never happen, but to put a stop to social distancing, stop all payment for any government official, local, county, state and national office . 

[Dave_Trible]

Stop social distancing and you may not have to worry about paying those taxes anymore.  Maybe your next of kin...

Dave

[BYU]

  Define "OK". Both of those are voluntary concepts, any attempt to "enforce" such things are black-letter unconstitutional and would have to be legally justified, even if there was martial law, which there isn't.

   Moreover, the idea was not to eliminate the spread of Wuhan flu, it was to *slow it down* to keep from overflowing the hospitals. The hospitals sit largely empty. "Flattening the curve " only saves net deaths by preventing that, otherwise the area under the curve is exactly the same as it would have been. People were willing to buy that argument. "14 days to flatten the curve". That has now gone on for 2 full months with no end in sight.

 The instant it started, the goalposts moved, and now, people are talking about continuing on with it for a year and a half, until there is a vaccine, or "new normal", where it NEVER goes back to the way it was.  That's swell, we will be in a depression that would make the 30's look like the Good Old Days, causing many more deaths that doing absolutely nothing about Wuhan. Already more people are dying of preventable causes than are dying of Wuhan, because they are afraid to go to the hospital. Either that, or Wuhan flu cures heart disease.

 If you want to talk responsible public policy, "panic people with ridiculous hyperbole into accepting something for two weeks, then change  to a year an a half at the first opportunity, or never, and in the process destroy the work of centuries" is not it. People are pissed off, they were lied to with a ridiculous "bait and switch" that is *completely destroying everything they have ever worked for*, over a flu that everyone expects will, at some point, be ubiquitous anyway.

   Anticipating the next complaint, since you guys want to "keep out politics", for once again injecting politics. What you want is one-sided politics, any opposition, now, *that* has to be kept out.

     Brett

Exactly, but what can we do about it? More than a few of the folks enforcing this crap aren’t even elected.

[Andre Ming]

I should have realized that any public expression of common sense logic is a bad idea.

Then you shouldn't have brought it up. You know the saying about a hot kitchen, right?

As for this "pandemic". More and more is coming to light as to just how skewed the numbers are. I'm reading and finding information that most will never read or hear. Experiences shared by those that have personal or close to personal experience with the "pandemic". For instance, here's a quote by a motorcycle riding com padre on a dirt biking forum:

I think we'll find in the future that Covid 19 deaths are vastly overstated. My sister has worked in a hospital in Illinois for years now. She tells me they have orders to report ANY deaths as Covid 19 if the person who died had any of the symptoms. Case in point - an elderly man who had been in her hospital for a while with terminal lung cancer. When he passed away he was listed as a Covid 19 death despite no test for the virus ever being done on him...but he had some of the symptoms. Apparently there are dollars involved!

Illinois, let's see... oh yes... they are Democrat controlled state. How uncanny.

And the above is just one of many such instances that I'm reading about, or hearing about personally, from those I know.

Further, there are many, MANY doctors and such that are coming forward with similar experiences, but they are hushed, or their videos deleted, or discredited by the MSM, or all of the above and more.

Even the CDC is having to back down on some of their so-called "stats" and some states have re-figured their numbers to find a 25% reduction in the padded numbers that had been reported.

There is a WHOLE LOT more to this this "pandemic" than the narrative the MSM is pushing to the gullible. As a nation we are being manipulated, and this "pandemic" is being used as a political weapon.

Andre

[FLOYD CARTER]

Tell me.  Which political party tends to benefit from  the coronavirus pandemic?

It would take a real propaganda genius to pull something helpful out of this.

[Andre Ming]

Tell me.  Which political party tends to benefit from  the coronavirus pandemic?

Figure it out, you're the genius.

Tell you what, I'll keep it simple and give you a few clues:

* The President's strongest suit was the robust, record tying/setting economy that was really rolling BEFORE this panic-driven "pandemic".

* HAD the economy stayed strong and robust up to the election, it would have been very difficult to unseat him. The large majority of American's being polled "pre-pandemic" were VERY pleased with where they were economically and didn't want it messed with. The democratic party full well knew this.

* SO... if the economy could be tanked (and that has been done), then guess what party would hope to profit from it come election time? AND, now that this nation has been thrust to the brink of a record breaking full-on depression, the next objective of the "blue" states is to drive it further into the crapper by increasing restrictions, trying to continue the fear-mongering, and demand even more control over their "subjects" for "their own safety". (Because in their "superior" minds you don't have enough sense to take care of yourself.)

You're surely not so obtuse you can't see it for yourself?

Fortunately, many, MANY, are beginning to see this for what it is and beginning to rise up and say "Enough"! (Via protests, and such... and outright rebellion by going on with their lives and reopening despite what the mini-tyrants say.)

I find it interesting that here in my region, a sizable influx of "Voter Registration" cards are being mailed in that are requesting a change in their party affiliation. Guess which party they're jumping ship from? Yup, they're sick of the dem's tactics and they're switching parties. Most have voted democrat all their lives. I know of people personally that have already switched parties and in the words of one in particular "I've voted democrat all my life. Never again! Those sons-of-bit**es will never get another vote from me as long as I live!"

However, I suspect that nothing I, or anyone else can say, or share, or link... nothing... will change your mind. And I know for SURE that you'll never change mine. I've seen too much, read too much, and personally experienced too much from their policies and philosophies to EVER buy into the democratic narrative, to say nothing that as a Christian I cannot accept their moral ethics policies that violate my conscience as to what constitutes common sense values.

So, we're likely just going to have to agree to disagree and wait and see what happens in November.

Andre

[Larry Fernandez]

Thanks Andre.
Go Trump MAGA 2020

[Gerald Arana]

Figure it out, you're the genius.

Tell you what, I'll keep it simple and give you a few clues:

* The President's strongest suit was the robust, record tying/setting economy that was really rolling BEFORE this panic-driven "pandemic".

* HAD the economy stayed strong and robust up to the election, it would have been very difficult to unseat him. The large majority of American's being polled "pre-pandemic" were VERY pleased with where they were economically and didn't want it messed with. The democratic party full well knew this.

* SO... if the economy could be tanked (and that has been done), then guess what party would hope to profit from it come election time? AND, now that this nation has been thrust to the brink of a record breaking full-on depression, the next objective of the "blue" states is to drive it further into the crapper by increasing restrictions, trying to continue the fear-mongering, and demand even more control over their "subjects" for "their own safety". (Because in their "superior" minds you don't have enough sense to take care of yourself.)

You're surely not so obtuse you can't see it for yourself?

Fortunately, many, MANY, are beginning to see this for what it is and beginning to rise up and say "Enough"! (Via protests, and such... and outright rebellion by going on with their lives and reopening despite what the mini-tyrants say.)

I find it interesting that here in my region, a sizable influx of "Voter Registration" cards are being mailed in that are requesting a change in their party affiliation. Guess which party they're jumping ship from? Yup, they're sick of the dem's tactics and they're switching parties. Most have voted democrat all their lives. I know of people personally that have already switched parties and in the words of one in particular "I've voted democrat all my life. Never again! Those sons-of-bit**es will never get another vote from me as long as I live!"

However, I suspect that nothing I, or anyone else can say, or share, or link... nothing... will change your mind. And I know for SURE that you'll never change mine. I've seen too much, read too much, and personally experienced too much from their policies and philosophies to EVER buy into the democratic narrative, to say nothing that as a Christian I cannot accept their moral ethics policies that violate my conscience as to what constitutes common sense values.

So, we're likely just going to have to agree to disagree and wait and see what happens in November.

Andre

Andre, Hooray for you! I can't agree with you more even if I tried!

I'm sick and tired of all this political bull excretment the Dems are shoveling at us.

Lets go fly! (F'm)

Jerry

[Fredvon4]

If you do not understand politics you never will
My 21,000 person county a few miles west of greater Ft Hood Texas (350,000 in Copperas Cove, Killeen, Harker Heights, Belton) has only had to date 8 positive cases, no hospitalization, and zero deaths.
Yet our County and towns are completely devastated and failing. The Family Care Co-op and Rollings Brook community hospital have failed...Shut...Dead...Few restaurants dead...fast food surviving. Banking/Real estate devastated...Yes Virginia drive through works, but you need face to face for a property loan

This massive panic angers me greatly ...we are rural with a big Grocery Chain: HEB and the modest sized WalMart....Folks from San Antonio, Austin, Dallas come to buy up our meat and Toilet paper and brag about it while in the store.

As a county we are fairly self sufficient with farmers, and ranchers, supplying MOST of what we need...BUT never intended for 100~300 customers per day from distant cities

We opened this last week so the gyms, restaurants, real estate, car wash, parks, bowling, hair/nail saloons....etc etc could try to eek out a living and pay local employees.....

just looked...in spite of much increased testing still only 9 non hospitalized cases and zero death rate

sorry all you stupid high density city folk have higher tolls...that was your choice much like river front Mississippi property...risk

thousands dead on Seattle, Portland, NYC Los Angeles....well duh....BTW the highest death toll for common Flu is you subway mass transit stupids too

no apologies from me

Floyd you are always first to inject politics then object to opposing opinions...

[Fredvon4]

""Be friendly, try it, it works""

said the snot nosed Foreigner who called us F....ing idiots just a few weeks back

[FLOYD CARTER]

"

However, I suspect that nothing I, or anyone else can say, or share, or link... nothing... will change your mind. And I know for SURE that you'll never change mine.
So, we're likely just going to have to agree to disagree and wait and see what happens in November.

Andre
[/quote]

Looks like someone has me pegged perfectly..  Good job!

Truth is.  I've been very careful not to say bad things about any politician, regardless of party.    My usual complaints are reserved for ordinary citizen zealots, on both sides.

[Chris McMillin]

I should have realized that any public expression of common sense logic is a bad idea.

Ugh...