Author Topic: So here it is, minus paint! (Read 4955 times)

Matt Colan · « **on:** March 24, 2011, 06:18:06 PM »

The Trivial Pursuit is now in one piece, and is just about ready for it's first coat of primer!! All that's needed is the fillets and we can start painting it.

The way I've figured it right now is I have a finishing budget around 9-12 ounces from this point, so it's coming in fairly light right now!!!

Matt Colan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2011, 06:19:38 PM »

one more!

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2011, 06:26:06 PM »

Looks great, Matt! I'm sure you'll like the performance of the TP. What color scheme do you have in mind for it?

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2011, 06:26:37 PM »

Nothing wrong with that Matt - She looks sweet.

Balsa Butcher · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2011, 06:26:49 PM »

Great job Matt, makes me want to break open my kit and get started...especially nice work on the cowl.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2011, 06:46:37 PM »

Quote from: Clint Ormosen on March 24, 2011, 06:26:06 PM

Looks great, Matt! I'm sure you'll like the performance of the TP. What color scheme do you have in mind for it?

Thanks Clint!!

Here is how I'm gonna be painting the TP. PJ Rowland helped me out with it a little bit, just some subtle changes to my original etching.

It's a combination of these 2, if you look close, you can pick out some of the discrepencies, and it'll be a combination of both.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2011, 06:52:01 PM »

Great job. That is going to a fine looking and fine flying stunter!

Bill Hummel · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2011, 07:11:55 PM »

Matt, really nice job! Get the paint on it, and go flying!

Matt Colan · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2011, 07:15:22 PM »

Quote from: Bill Hummel on March 24, 2011, 07:11:55 PM

Matt, really nice job! Get the paint on it, and go flying!

Thanks Bill,

It should be flying in about a month, which I think is plenty of time, especially since it looks like I made the varsity team for baseball at school!!

Bryan Higgins · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:26:19 PM »

Matt

Very nice work there. I have a question for you. I'm asking you this because your young and talented and pick
up on alot of details an older flyer might just skip over or not even remember.

When transitioning from a medium size stunter (like a Nobler) to a full size 60" stunter like your Trivial Persuit.
Is there a big deference in control ? Is the bigger plane smoother and happyer on the lines ? Or is this another
learning curve thats takes time. ? Just wanted to get your opinion if you please because i have not yet experienced
a full size stunt ship yet myself. Thank You Bryan

Matt Colan · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:36:45 PM »

Quote from: Bryan Higgins on March 24, 2011, 08:26:19 PM

Matt

Very nice work there. I have a question for you. I'm asking you this because your young and talented and pick
up on alot of details an older flyer might just skip over or not even remember.

When transitioning from a medium size stunter (like a Nobler) to a full size 60" stunter like your Trivial Persuit.
Is there a big deference in control ? Is the bigger plane smoother and happyer on the lines ? Or is this another
learning curve thats takes time. ? Just wanted to get your opinion if you please because i have not yet experienced
a full size stunt ship yet myself. Thank You Bryan

Hi Bryan,

So far, all I can base my facts off of is a couple flights off of other people's airplanes. In the past couple years, I've gone from an Ares, with something like 550 sq inches of wing area, to an Oriental Plus with 600 sq inches. The only thing I noticed when going slightly bigger, was it was easier to see, and it was somewhat easier to fly (probably had something to do with the fact I went from 4.7-4.8 lap times to 5.1-5.3). From what I've felt, it's all a matter of how you trim the plane. I flew Steve Yampolsky's Stoli Special on about 6 back to back flights, and it had a very gentle pull, and only was much easier to fly than my Ares. Also it had a corner that seemed instantaneous compared to an Ares. Then I flew my grandfather's P-40 (roughly the same size as the Stoli) to help him trim it a little better, and it pulled like a freight train and had a good corner when I switched to a different handle for my liking.

That's how I feel about it, and I'll see what happens when I start flying this plane.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:53:24 PM »

Looks very good, Matt. Take your time with the finish and it will be a fine plane. The TP is a great flying plane.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2011, 10:17:16 PM »

Quote from: Matt Colan on March 24, 2011, 07:15:22 PM

It should be flying in about a month, which I think is plenty of time, especially since it looks like I made the varsity team for baseball at school!!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overachiever

Not that I'm, like, jealous or anything.

Keep up the pace!

Bill Heher · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2011, 11:42:39 PM »

I like the paint scheme- fuselage striping / banding looks great. On the wing I like the one with TP on the inboard wing and AMA ( ok "N" ) # on the outboard.

The only change I might suggest is to use AMA xxxxxx and have it moved outboard so the last digit in your numbr ends up in the same relative position as the T in Trivial pursuit on the inboard. I think it helps visually balance the wing.

Great craftsmanship on the plane- it makes me want to hide / burn a bunch of mine.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2011, 12:00:23 AM »

See - I disagree - I prefer have text symetrical and having your AMA number smaller and less obtrusive - however I have seen a bunch of models that differ to this line of thinking. - There is no right and wrong.

I think the biggest difference between flying Nobler sized vs TP Size is pull on the lines and stability in control. Ease of point and shoot flying. We only made a few minor changes to the paint - One thing I changed which I hope goes onto the finished model is in the 1st photo the white stripe running down the side of the fuse - Matt had it broken toward the elevator and I suggested it be continued straight - this will present a really nice profile and give the judges something to look at - Similar to what Bob G Does on the BEAR.

IT LOOKS AMAZING MATT.

- Very talented.

Bill Ambrose · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2011, 04:54:43 AM »

Great job Matt! You're building skills are getting better and better. I hope it turns out to be a great performer for you. Is there a Nats in your near future?

Bill Ambrose

Allan Perret · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2011, 08:11:40 AM »

Just curious, how did you create the trim scheme .jpg's ?
I agree with PJ about the fuse stripe, and with Bill H about the AMA xxxxxx number.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2011, 10:01:21 AM »

Quote from: Allan Perret on March 25, 2011, 08:11:40 AM

Just curious, how did you create the trim scheme .jpg's ?
I agree with PJ about the fuse stripe, and with Bill H about the AMA xxxxxx number.

Hi Allen, contact Sina Gourdazi. My original sketch was hand drawn by me, and I sent it to him just to see what he thought of it, and he sent me a PDF of my drawing on the actual side view of the plane. I just saved them as .jpg's.

Hope this helps

Alan Buck · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2011, 10:06:58 AM »

Matt looking real good hope to see it Brodak's

Ted Fancher · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2011, 10:13:20 AM »

Matt,

YO DA MAN...er...uh...BOY...er...uh...hmmmm??? $:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$

WAY TO GO!

ted

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2011, 10:49:05 AM »

Matt,
It looks awesome!
your time dilema is pretty common, I dont play ball ( coaches would be required to be current in CPR if I played lol) but I have a daughter playing college softball and another who plays high school ball, talk about time? typically about 4 days a week going to games, which is fun, but man it sure eats up the time. I commend you for persevering through the time crunch and producing a fine model, and improving your flying.
Remember the old axiom, a paint job is never finished, just given up on,, so decide how far YOU are going to go, and get er done!

Bryan Higgins · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2011, 02:57:01 PM »

Matt

Thanks for the info. Nice paint Scheme.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2011, 04:03:38 PM »

I often will previsualize model paint schemes in photoshop.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2011, 07:55:04 PM »

Quote from: Tim Wescott on March 24, 2011, 10:17:16 PM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overachiever

Not that I'm, like, jealous or anything.

Keep up the pace!

Well I officially made the varsity team tonight!!!!

Alan Buck · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2011, 08:03:22 PM »

Hey Matt replace the stripes with USA and be ready for wrolds

Matt Colan · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:20:12 AM »

Quote from: Alan Buck on March 25, 2011, 10:06:58 AM

Matt looking real good hope to see it Brodak's

Thanks Alan,

Sadly we won't be at Brodak's this year because we're planning on going to the NATS. I get my license in 9 days so I'll be able to pitch in on some of the driving now when we go to contests, and I'll be pitching in on the 15-16 hour drive to get to Muncie this year!!!

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:51:37 AM »

I'l think of you Matt when I'm sipping on free Bourbon and Coke whilst watching Movies on my Laptop sitting back in comfort during my 22 Hr Flight...

Alan Buck · « **Reply #27 on:** March 26, 2011, 12:25:26 PM »

Matt have fun at the nats it is a great place to more about stunt flying. not sure if Ken and I are going yet will miss seeing your T.P. at Brodak's

Matt Colan · « **Reply #28 on:** March 26, 2011, 04:53:29 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on March 26, 2011, 07:51:37 AM

I'l think of you Matt when I'm sipping on free Bourbon and Coke whilst watching Movies on my Laptop sitting back in comfort during my 22 Hr Flight...

We'll be sitting in the comfort of a Ford F-150 Lariat with leather seats, drinking water and eating snacks and sandwiches on the way to Muncie.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #29 on:** March 26, 2011, 06:42:42 PM »

Hey Matt, looks good so far, am waiting for finished plane. While driving to the NATS, watch out for idiots like me on the road. Used to drive straight thru to Tuscon in the early years. Did all the driving. Now I drive to the half way point the first day and finish the drive the second day.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:28:36 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on March 26, 2011, 06:42:42 PM

Hey Matt, looks good so far, am waiting for finished plane. While driving to the NATS, watch out for idiots like me on the road. Used to drive straight thru to Tuscon in the early years. Did all the driving. Now I drive to the half way point the first day and finish the drive the second day.

Hi DOC,

I've already been doing some math on how many stops it will take to get us to Muncie to refuel. By my calculations, it'll take us about 2 1/2 tanks of gas to get there, and it's 838 miles to get to the hotel according to mapquest. This math only shows I'm getting very excited to get to Muncie!!

Aaaannnnddddd, it's looking like Wednesday, if the weather holds up, could be the first flying day of the year!!!!!!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:32:21 PM »

>>and it's 838 miles<<

I wish. More like 2800 miles for me.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:33:53 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on March 26, 2011, 07:32:21 PM

>>and it's 838 miles<<

I wish. More like 2800 miles for me.

And my mother thinks we're nuts to drive that kind of mileage in one day

Edit: I guess I should mention what I did today. I got the fillets on, and they are looking pretty good as of now, and got the rudder permanently glued onto the plane (it was only pinned on for the pictures).

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #33 on:** March 27, 2011, 02:32:24 PM »

Regarding the paint schemes (it would be wonderful to be able to expand both versions and look at them both side-by-side...but I can't find a way). I definitely like #1 better. I don't like the white bar at the bottom of the fuselage near the pipe outlet. It doesn't seem to be integrated into the rest, just kinda loosely tacked on.

I would also suggest revising the trim on the horizontal tailplane. Move the white back to the hingeline, and sweep back the front edge of the white to more match the wing, instead of straight. Changing the red bars on the fuselage to "USA" would be a huge improvement! And I think I would look at reworking the fin/rudder trim by putting the white at the LE and not at the TE.

Steve

Brett Buck · « **Reply #34 on:** March 27, 2011, 02:54:49 PM »

Quote from: Matt Colan on March 26, 2011, 07:28:36 PM

I've already been doing some math on how many stops it will take to get us to Muncie to refuel. By my calculations, it'll take us about 2 1/2 tanks of gas to get there, and it's 838 miles to get to the hotel according to mapquest. This math only shows I'm getting very excited to get to Muncie!!

That's a pretty good long day driving at tortoise-speed back in the East. We do that regularly but that's out here where the speed limit is 75 and no one blinks an eye when you cruise all day long at 83-84.

Brett

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #35 on:** March 27, 2011, 04:35:41 PM »

I wouldnt alter too much paint design wise.. If its painted well and cleared well - anything can look great

Matt Colan · « **Reply #36 on:** March 27, 2011, 05:00:15 PM »

Here are a couple pictures I took today with the fillets on, and the cowling. Also taped on the spinner to get the full effect of how this plane is going to look, except for the paint.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #37 on:** March 27, 2011, 05:01:20 PM »

one more, with the Oriental Plus which has a refinished nose after dealing with a fuel leak at the end of last year.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #38 on:** March 27, 2011, 05:02:25 PM »

And I'm also attaching my grandfather's new Staris, a little ahead of me in the finishing process

john e. holliday · « **Reply #39 on:** March 28, 2011, 08:06:17 AM »

Grandpa's plane is looking great.