Signature length on posts.

[Chris Wilson]

Hi all,
          Just wondering if anyone would support a maximum character length on post signatures?
Reason for asking is that excessively long signatures can be -
 Wildly off topic
 Add nothing of value to the post
 A form of bullying, as in repeated and unwanted attention drawing one to make the effort to avoid them
 A waste of time as most got the point back on well ......... post 749
 Detract from the free flow of discussion and meaningfulness, as in if someone simply wants to get the post count up and has little or poor content then bulking it up with drivel is a cheap way of screaming "Hey, look at me!"
 Are a form of spam, frequently advertising unsolicited information
 And, again a waste of time for both search functions and readability of ideas.

If no one agrees with the above then I am quite happy to be democratically proven wrong and will endeavour to append my posts with every saying, verse and quip I can find, that should enable me drag out say , the subject of "which oil to use" for dozens of pages with mindless unwarranted garbage safe in the knowledge that anyone trying to extract anything of value will simply give up and no choice but to agree with me! Yay!

Rant over.
 
 

[Target]

It does take up more band width than necessary, i would assume.
But so does quoting someone's 1000 word post, and then writing,  "I agree".
That's MY pet peeve, but it's done innocently I'm sure.
Everyone is different.

[Chris Wilson]

Quotes have at least the function of  reestablishing what has gone before and scotches things like post edits to the original and claims of "that is not what I said.

And are normally cartouched or bracketed for ease of consumption.

[Russell]

Signature length on posts is not a problem.

[Randy Cuberly]

Signature length on posts is not a problem.

Right!  They're just irritating...some are very irritating...especially one particular one.....  Oh well it's an irritating world these days!  Just ignore the fools!

Randy Cuberly

[Russell]

Right!  They're just irritating...some are very irritating...especially one particular one.....  Oh well it's an irritating world these days!  Just ignore the fools!

Randy Cuberly

Who sent this!... 

[Steve Thompson]

Quoting an entire post in a reply seems redundant, but it also saves a snapshot of the post.

Yesterday in a hot topic, one guy deleted all his posts.  To look at it now you only see one side of the conversation, except for his quoted replies that are still there in other posts.

[Fredvon4]

Etiquette on the net... IMO is just plain common courtesy....

I do like some profound or pithy signatures but find many to be roll eyes tedious

My only other pet peeve is the QUOTE GURU how must copy every Photo in the above post...pure band width hog that has no compassion for member in rural areas with a 768Kbps connection...the frigging page takes a full 4 minuets to load.......thanks a load butt head....post number one already let me see the most excellent photo of the plane....three pages late I do not need to slog and wait through 5 more copies of the same photo

[Chris Wilson]

Right!  They're just irritating...Just ignore the fools!

Randy Cuberly

Not possible as you are forced to scroll past the detritus to get to the meaning.
And yes,  I think we can agree on who is the main offender.

[wwwarbird]

 Man, the petty things people take issue with these days. 

 Why has it become the norm for people to have to whine about everything that means nothing? The majority of people anymore refuse to accept responsibility but yet want to cry and point the finger at someone else about problems they have most often created themselves. I work as a retail parts manager so I get first hand proof of this all day, every day.
 
 As far as the signatures here, I actually enjoy the extra little details in most of them, it adds some personality to an otherwise "generic" name. For the rest there's a simple answer, if you don't care for it DON'T READ IT! 

 With that said, it sure would be nice to see everyone here get back to focusing on our modeling activities instead of picking apart every little detail that is otherwise irrelevant to our hobby.

[Steve Helmick]

How do we find "post 749"?    Steve

[Target]

It's between 748 and 750. Clearly.
Tongue in cheek.

[dennis lipsett]

Tired old men have very little else to do but complain. I listen to nonsense all day. Thankfully i can turn a deaf ear to most of it or I'd go nuts. do not think your going to have a cup of coffee and have a nice conversation at a coffee shop. Someone else always has to throw their unwanted 2 cents in and then it becomes crap. especially any sentence with the word Trump. I dread getting hearing aids, it will bring everything into sharp focus.

[Steve Helmick]

Good one, Target! Question still is, how do I find post #749. Maybe #748 would be good enough?

Seems to me that Mr. Wilson only comes on Stunt Hangar to be argumentative, often about engineering minutia. I've met and shared good times with a lot of Aussie modelers, but somehow doubt if Wilson would fit in, whether I was there or not.

Regarding quoting a previous post, having some working knowledge of html code in the past, I assumed that the code would simply reproduce the previous post, without significant burning of bandwidth. I recall that our club's website (of which I was in command and who did the thing in html code and included a fair number of jpegs) actually was a fraction of the (1,000kb) total that Sparky allows  for ONE picture. Which, by the way, is making it far too easy for all y'all.    Steve   

[RknRusty]

99% of all signatures are some way for a member to add a snippet of personality. Mine is a three part sig with a humorous saying that identifies me as a fan of a particular Sci-Fi author, a bit of advice, and lastly lists the clubs I'm a member of.

Some are funny, eg.: "Electric is the future of OTS." Others plug one's cottage industry, eg.: "BuiltRightFlyRight." Most are nothing more, and those that are, I believe, should be left to the moderators of that forum.
Rusty

[wwwarbird]

 I've often thought Steve Helmick's is one of the best signatures, as seen above in Reply #13 in this thread...


In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.

In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

 ...a simple statement that tells a lot about the world of whiners that we live in today.

[Steve Helmick]

I've often thought Steve Helmick's is one of the best signatures, as seen above in Reply #13 in this thread...


In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.

In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

 ...a simple statement that tells a lot about the world of whiners that we live in today.

Ach, schizen...the boss said I have to go fold my own dabnd laundry. No rest for the weary...    Steve

[RknRusty]

Ach, schizen...the boss said I have to go fold my own dabnd laundry. No rest for the weary...    Steve

I just stuff it in a drawer until I hear a crack, and then work it back and forth till it's shut.   ... or until I pinch a finger.

[Brett Buck]

Hi all,
          Just wondering if anyone would support a maximum character length on post signatures?

   I would suggest netiquette from the mists of time (30 years ago) - .sig lines should be no more than 4 lines. You don't need a rule about it, just a standard.

    Brett

[Larry Fernandez]

   I would suggest netiquette from the mists of time (30 years ago) - .sig lines should be no more than 4 lines. You don't need a rule about it, just a standard.

    Brett

Even four lines are a bit much, but twelve lines? Really, twelve lines?
Rediculus

Larry, Butrafucco Stunt Team

[Chris Wilson]

Seems to me that Mr. Wilson only comes on Stunt Hangar to be argumentative, often about engineering minutia. I've met and shared good times with a lot of Aussie modelers, but somehow doubt if Wilson would fit in, whether I was there or not.

Ok, if you want to get personal then perhaps personal messaging may suit better.

(Strange how you would know that I would not fit in.)

[Ken Culbertson]

How do we find "post 749"?    Steve

You find 748 and scroll down.

Ken

[Dwayne]

I've often thought Steve Helmick's is one of the best signatures, as seen above in Reply #13 in this thread...


In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.

In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

 ...a simple statement that tells a lot about the world of whiners that we live in today.

Every time I see this posted on facebook or elsewhere I have to think. How many of these kids came back  shell shocked (ptsd) turned into drunks, criminals, homeless or committed suicide beacause they were told to suck it up instead of having a "place" to go to talk about it. I know kids are coddled way to much today but we've also learned  especially since Vietnam that a lot of those  kids who went to war came home badly damaged, war really is hell.  There has to be a way we can find a balance so those who really need the help get it.  But this war analogy is just plain wrong. 

[Randy Cuberly]

I can't fault the statement that "War Is Hell".  However from personal experience of 18 months in Vietnam in 1968 and '69 I can tell you that most of the "young" men that came home with a lot of problems simply had most of those problems when they went over there.

Remember that Vietnam was not mostly a volunteer Army!  A lot were draftees and even more telling a lot were young criminals given the choice to go there, or go to JAIL"  Do you suppose for one minute those "Yuks" had any chance of improving over there?

Then don't forget the wonderful warm reception we received from the general populace when returning home.  Baby Killer. Murdering Scum were the by words of the crowds that met me at orange County Airport.   One sweet little blonde thing even made a point to run up to me nd spit in my face.

That sort of thing can affect your personality and will to think well of yourself and anyone else.  Fortunately I was a little older than the average soldier and a "Volunteer of long service" as well as being an officer, and it pretty much just rolled off me!  I do know however that many young men still carry the scars, not so much of the War, but of that wonderful "American Homecoming" treatment of soldier that had simply done what they thought was required of then as Americans!

If you think I'm crying about this you're wrong and don't know me but I for one will never forget it!

Those are the real "Scars" of Vietnam, and they are on the American people not the soldiers who fought!

Randy Cuberly
1st SOG (SF) Vietnam 1968-1969
US Army, 1961-1971

[Steve Thompson]

Well stated Randy.

[Ken Culbertson]

...they were told to suck it up instead of having a "place" to go to talk about it....

My experience, having been there, is that those who need to talk about it only want to talk to those that have been there,  and they don't go into the counseling business.  Boot camp used to be a Hell you can't figure out how you survived.  Now it is so GD PC that the kids are totally unprepared mentally for what happens next.

My advice is to get them to fly Stunt when they get back.  Who wants to think about war when you can debate important stuff like tip weight.

Ken

[Ken Culbertson]

One sweet little blonde thing even made a point to run up to me and spit in my face.

Sandy blond, obviously a brunette ,about 4-11,  light orange tank, cutoff blue jeans and a daisy on her right cheek?
She was still there in '70 but her aim was worse.

Ken   

[john e. holliday]

Okay the old DOC has removed two nonessential lines from my signature line.    But, it is nice to know where some one resides.

[Randy Cuberly]

Okay the old DOC has removed two nonessential lines from my signature line.    But, it is nice to know where some one resides.

Yeah Doc.  What the heck is everybody afraid of?  Must be the "Boogy" Man!  Can't be the government.  Why would they care about "small fry"  like us when they got Trump to pick on!   

Randy Cuberly

[Dan McEntee]

   I'm logger in , obviously because I am able to post, but I can not see the signatures in question on my PC.  If I go to this sight on my phone, I can see them? Have to check my lap top. Must be some kind of setting?
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee

[Dwayne]

I can't fault the statement that "War Is Hell".  However from personal experience of 18 months in Vietnam in 1968 and '69 I can tell you that most of the "young" men that came home with a lot of problems simply had most of those problems when they went over there.

Remember that Vietnam was not mostly a volunteer Army!  A lot were draftees and even more telling a lot were young criminals given the choice to go there, or go to JAIL"  Do you suppose for one minute those "Yuks" had any chance of improving over there?

Then don't forget the wonderful warm reception we received from the general populace when returning home.  Baby Killer. Murdering Scum were the by words of the crowds that met me at orange County Airport.   One sweet little blonde thing even made a point to run up to me nd spit in my face.

That sort of thing can affect your personality and will to think well of yourself and anyone else.  Fortunately I was a little older than the average soldier and a "Volunteer of long service" as well as being an officer, and it pretty much just rolled off me!  I do know however that many young men still carry the scars, not so much of the War, but of that wonderful "American Homecoming" treatment of soldier that had simply done what they thought was required of then as Americans!

If you think I'm crying about this you're wrong and don't know me but I for one will never forget it!

Those are the real "Scars" of Vietnam, and they are on the American people not the soldiers who fought!

Randy Cuberly
1st SOG (SF) Vietnam 1968-1969
US Army, 1961-1971

Hey man thanks for your service and so sorry for the idiots back home, I hope time has helped you heal a bit, can't imagine what you went through, my post was not meant in any kind of disrespect or to reopen old wounds, and I would never think you are crying and that my friend is the point, it's okay to talk about it and that is also the point of "safe places" having somewhere to go to talk that's all I'm saying, respect to you sir!!

[RknRusty]

Okay the old DOC has removed two nonessential lines from my signature line....

Doc, I noticed that a little while ago, in another post in an unrelated thread. One of my favorite sigs, I always got a kick out of it, as I'm now coming of age. I even para-quoted it for a chuckle on our video hangout show this past Monday night before I ever saw this thread.

They were essential. They provided a peek into your somewhat dry humorous personality.
Rusty

[Dan McEntee]

Every time I see this posted on facebook or elsewhere I have to think. How many of these kids came back  shell shocked (ptsd) turned into drunks, criminals, homeless or committed suicide beacause they were told to suck it up instead of having a "place" to go to talk about it. I know kids are coddled way to much today but we've also learned  especially since Vietnam that a lot of those  kids who went to war came home badly damaged, war really is hell.  There has to be a way we can find a balance so those who really need the help get it.  But this war analogy is just plain wrong.

    I  think you may be misunderstanding the quote, Dwayne.  In my understanding, it is trying to show the vast difference in two generations of 18 to 20 year olds. The first generation, raised during the hard economic times of the post depression world, had an entirely different out look on life. generally grateful for every breath they were able to take and happy with whatever they were able to earn or were provided with by their parents, who instilled this mind set in them. The "Can Do" attitude that it took to win the war and a great work ethic served them well. The soldiers of that generation who came home with the nightmares that never end, just learned how to cope with it, just like they did everything else that was tossed at them in life.

   The next generation mentioned, the 2015 generation, which came almost 70 years later, was actually two generations removed from the first. Any lessons taught by the Greatest generation of WW-2 were lost as life in general became pretty easy, and the sense of entitlement began to seep into our culture. The VietNam era still had quite a few of 1944 group in action, but were edged out and over ruled as being out of touch with the times. I don't think anything could have been further from the truth. I have an older brother who did a long tour of duty in Southeast Asia who is not the same person that he was when he enlisted. Yes, he volunteered at a time when many were doing anything they could to avoid the conflict, and slowly, after he came back, he began to show the signs of the stress and the horrors he went through. They didn't give those guys a chance to decompress and work their way out of what they went through. My brother was out in the middle of a 30 day "hump", as he would put it, somewhere in the western central highlands near the Cambodian border. That's why I say his tour was in Southeast Asia, because he's pretty sure wasn't just in Vietnam. They got a radio call to get picked up on a mountain top, flew back to Cam Ranh Bay,  stripped of their weapons and gear, put on a C-130 to Japan, then a flight to Seattle, and then commercial flight home. Around 48 to 72 hours after he was picked up by the Slicks on that mountain top, he was walking up the driveway. It would take a long time to tell the whole story, which really isn't finished yet, but it's safe to say he was one of the people that you mentioned. I don't think that there are very many of the 2015 coddled, "everybody gets a trophy" 18 to 20 year old group that could have endured whet he has. My son is a member of today's military and it's a whole different environment today, and I'm sure he could tell some stories of what he has had to deal with in today's politically correct society. These guys today are fighting a war that they couldn't even fathom back in 1944. Much more advanced technology lets them do a whole lot more with a whole lot less personnel, but the stresses are much, much more also. And where would we be without them?? I don't think many people can even visualize where that would be.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[wwwarbird]

 Pretty lengthy explanation but yeah, Dan's got it right. The quote is basically just pointing out the generational comparison.

 By that comparison, in '44 the majority of the 18-20 year olds were "storming beaches, and parachuting behind enemy lines to almost certain death". That short example is just the tip of the iceberg, obviously there were countless other duties that also went along with the U.S. getting through those times.
 
 Today, the vast majority of that age group would completely @#$% themselves at the mere thought of being put in those situations of '44. Heck, most don't realize it ever happened or can even truly imagine the events of that time. Instead they live life in their "safe zones", created and coddled by todays society so as not to be too stressed out or offended by the thought of such responsibility. Like practically everything else they'd rather start a protest (the current fad for sidestepping and avoiding reality) while pointing their fingers and expecting someone else to deal with maintaining their freedom.

[Chris Wilson]

Ok, if you want to get personal then perhaps personal messaging may suit better.

(Strange how you would know that I would not fit in.)

  Mr Helmick I have given you a couple of days to explain yourself privately about an unwarranted personal attack on myself and yet there is nothing, so public it is then.

  You claim that "I only come here to be argumentative, often about engineering minutia," that.......  is far from the truth.
If you care to survey the number of views compared to the number of replies on ANY forum worldwide you will find that the views outnumber all else, and       I am no different or special to any other member here.
I view FAR more that what I reply to and yes, "engineering minutia" is a passion of mine so I look, read, form an opinion and if I feel qualified enough I jump in and reply.

And in keeping within the personal vein that seems dear to you, I am a moderator on another site about model aircraft engine developement, so yes I have a vested interest in mechanical small talk, how posts are constructed and member behaviour. Its kinda my hobby.

I am assuming here all of this started after me asking you in the "To baffle or not to baffle" thread why the muffler on an OS LA  46 was considered to be a quarter wave device?
I gave you the reasons why I considered it not to be (quite extensive reasons too) and again you had no reply probably considering this to be an attack on what you thought to be the truth hence it must be a personal one too.
And yet I have never said anyone was wrong, never said well you wont fit in to any group with an attitude like that or went straight to using the formal term of Mr which (again assuming) can be taken as derogatory.

The point with displaying signatures, ranking, icons, post counts or whatever embroidery surrounds the written text is that it detracts from the meaning in an attempt to bolster the author through artifical means, and its repeated and normally unsolicited.

Hence the original question of how much is enough? How much is tolerated before someone says something? What amount is considered abuse?

I gave my opinion as a start point and hoped others would give theirs too and it devolves into this?

P.S. In regards to not 'fitting in' my attitude here fits well enough as a forum moderator as mentioned and at times on forums but I do not use that attitude on a flying field, why would I? Few flyers talk forums outside of a keyboard so it would be futile, wouldn't you agree?