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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Horby on December 14, 2015, 11:23:35 PM
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Does any one have a list of Jim Lee's modifications he did to the Sig Mustang and what year he did them?
Warren
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I m unsure what mods Jim made, however I also have SIG Mustang in the works. I ditched the solid foam wing and replaced it with cored out version. Will install adjustable leadout slider in wing tip and box for tip weights. Instead of using the molded plastic turtle deck I use it as the form to make one using molded balsa. Will also setup front for a crutch style motor mounting and configure for slide in removable tank. I prefer sheet aluminum LG fuselage mounted instead of wing mounted wire. Engine will be either Brodak 40, or OS 46LA , although I also am considering EVO .36 modified for fwd mounted NVA.
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I built this Sig Mustang a few years ago. The tail is extended 3/4" and the stab/elevators are widened 1" total. Crutch style nose with slide-in tank. Plastic pieces thrown away and balsa blocks hollowed for fuse top, scoop, and cowl. Tripple cored foam wings. Brodak 40 power. Flies pretty well at 40oz.
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I asked Jim about his mods earlier this year. This was his reply:
First of all, don't use the plastic top piece and scoop.... Mold the top from 3/32" medium balsa and on the bottom use a piece of 3/16 or 1/4" front to back with a scoop made from a box of very light balsa, carved and sanded etc....
Core the wing in a standard three core fashion with a suspended bellcrank. The platform the plan shows is heavy and prone to failure....
We did not use full span flaps, making the outer 2-3 inches fixed.. Or adjustable on the outboard piece...
And then... Todd's mustang has a 15" tail moment, hinge to hinge and mine is 15 1/2" - which may be a bit too much... plus the stab/ elevator are enlarged. 22" span with a stab at 3" wide in the center and 2 1/2 at the tip. the elev is 2 3/4" at the center and 2" wide at the tip...
Remember that this is a rather small airplane at 490 sq in.... We both used Fox 35 ... And in the 38 - 40 oz range this is good power.... Gotta be very careful with the wood selection and use of glue....
Equal span flaps, and try to get the asymmetry to about 1/2 - 3/4".. lengthen the outboard ( bigger tip block?) rather than shortening the inboard...
In the mid seventies Arlie Preszler did a piece in Stunt News about lightening the Sig Mustang, which is where we started... they were using it in WAM competition on the west coast with Veco 19's...
email again if you have more questions...
Hope This helps...
Jim
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I built one many years ago. And it came out heavy.
But I've always liked it's looks, so have the kit and plan to build another. But this time, I'll do all the recommendations as above, but the wing core provided is perfect to use as a lost-foam wing template. I just have to cut it up a bit. How's that sound?
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Scott
I got a couple of K&B Stallion 35's you can use for power. VD~ VD~
Carl
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K&B Stallion 35 - what a great power source for a model boat and it can double as an anchor... ;D
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I built this Sig Mustang a few years ago. The tail is extended 3/4" and the stab/elevators are widened 1" total. Crutch style nose with slide-in tank. Plastic pieces thrown away and balsa blocks hollowed for fuse top, scoop, and cowl. Tripple cored foam wings. Brodak 40 power. Flies pretty well at 40oz.
Nice Looking......
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I built a SIG Mustang years ago per Jim Lee's numbers. I substituted a built-up wing for the foamy. Power was an ABC Fox 35. This combo took me to expert winning quite a few advanced contests along the way. The last time I flew it was about 4 years ago, at SIG. I had changed the power plant to a reworked Magnum .36. The Mustang was really performing well with that combo when a nasty gust of wind blew it out of the 3rd loop of the clover.....bye, bye. This was an excellent flying flying airplane when built per Jim's instructions and substitute wood as necessary to make it light.
Fred
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I've had two of the SIG Mustang Stunters. Ordered the first one as soon as I seen the ad. Had to wait for the kit as they were not ready. When it arrived I built it according to the instructions. Guess I did something wrong as the bell crank mount came loose after about a dozen flights and went straight in. Wiped out a good Fox 35 Stunt. The second one I put top and bottom bell crank plates. Did have to epoxy a gear leg back in once because of a gopher hole. Lost count of how many flights I put on that bird. Last I seen of it a gentleman wanted it and like a dummy I sold it to him. Don't know if he still has it or not. Both of them came out in the low 40 ounce range and both powered by Fox 35 Stunt.
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I built a SIG Mustang years ago per Jim Lee's numbers. I substituted a built-up wing for the foamy. Power was an ABC Fox 35. This combo took me to expert winning quite a few advanced contests along the way. The last time I flew it was about 4 years ago, at SIG. I had changed the power plant to a reworked Magnum .36. The Mustang was really performing well with that combo when a nasty gust of wind blew it out of the 3rd loop of the clover.....bye, bye. This was an excellent flying flying airplane when built per Jim's instructions and substitute wood as necessary to make it light.
Fred
What model type of wood wing did you use.
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I built this Sig Mustang a few years ago. The tail is extended 3/4" and the stab/elevators are widened 1" total. Crutch style nose with slide-in tank. Plastic pieces thrown away and balsa blocks hollowed for fuse top, scoop, and cowl. Tripple cored foam wings. Brodak 40 power. Flies pretty well at 40oz.
WOW 40 ounces?! That's a featherweight for a Sig Mustang. y1
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So..... what were Jim's instructions and when were they implimented? I need to know!!! :)
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So..... what were Jim's instructions and when were they implimented? I need to know!!! :)
You might try sending him a PM, he is on the forum here. y1
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So..... what were Jim's instructions and when were they implimented? I need to know!!! :)
1) Throw out the wing cores
2) Throw out the formed plastic cowl, scoop, wing tips, etc.
3) Throw out all the heavy balsa.
4) Keep the canopy
5) Make longer LG legs.
That's about it! ;) Steve
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So..... what were Jim's instructions and when were they implimented? I need to know!!! :)
Pretty much all of it is in the fourth post of this thread. That's pretty much what I remember Jim telling me and what I did to build the one I had. I tried to make mine look like an A model Mustang, with some success. I have another kit and extra set of Aero-Smith tripple cored wing cores stashed away also. One of Bob Hunts lost form jigs would yield a nice light wing also, but simple engineering the root and wing tip airfoils and adding typical spar type construction can get you a decent wing also. Just copy Nobler type wing construction based on the wing shape and area of the kit wing. I think I used two inch wide blocks for wing tips also to gain a few extra inches of wing area. Mine came out at 41 or 42 ounces. Lost it in a crash also, something jammed inside the airplane on the outside loops. Was powered by a stock OS.FP-40. Gave an awesome run! Might have to repicate that airplane soon!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Well..... if the mods were done in the 80's and documented, the Sig Mustang can be a competitive two event airplane. This is where I am going with this.
Warren
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PA and ? It's not scale. It's not Classic legit. It should be N-30, I suppose. I've seen one or two N-30's around here, but I haven't figured out why. They typically fly along with Classic, but may or may not have a separate trophy set.
I could suggest a "Profile Oriental", "Original Nobler" or "Smoothie" for 2 or 3 events. Brodak kits them all, but will sell just the ribs, just the plans, etc. I think a Smoothie with an inverted engine would be DA BOMB! H^^ Steve
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Fred Krueger I sent ya' a p/m..
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1) Throw out the wing cores
2) Throw out the formed plastic cowl, scoop, wing tips, etc.
3) Throw out all the heavy balsa.
4) Keep the canopy
5) Make longer LG legs.
That's about it! ;) Steve
Been better to buy the plans and redraw them.
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The Sig mustang should work for PA and N30, and with the leagle mods a better plane than the Nobler or Orental. Spending a huge amout of time and money into just PA plane does not make a whole bunch a sence to me.
Warren
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The Sig mustang should work for PA and N30, and with the leagle mods a better plane than the Nobler or Orental. Spending a huge amout of time and money into just PA plane does not make a whole bunch a sence to me.
Warren
Really? Build a light, straight "Impact", put a PA65 in it with a tuned pipe, fly it then come back and read your post! You'll laugh out loud!
Randy Cuberly
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Aw, come on Scott, you know you REALLY want a K&B Stallion in your collection....................... LL~ LL~
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neigh......
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Tuned pipe? I dont think so. I gave up on slimers a few years ago.
Warren