Author Topic: paint stands (Read 5693 times)

steve pagano · « **on:** November 21, 2006, 12:20:28 AM »

Hello all
I'm about to start spraying some color on my vector and i was wondering is there an inexpensive paint stand out there?
usually when i spray i lay the plane on a chair but if i don't get a run i get smudges or dust from the chair.The biggest problem i have is space,Are there any paint stand out there that fold up or can be attached and detached easily to the work bench?

thanks
Steve

Chris Gilbert IRL-1638 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 21, 2006, 05:43:45 AM »

Hi Steve,

I made up a really simple one for my last model. It consists of a piece of alloy plate cut and drilled to suit the engine mount holes, bolted onto a piece of 1 inch dowel, which is then clamped firmly in the jaws of my bench vice. My particular vice can rotate on it's base, so combined with the dowel I can rotate the model just about any way I need to give me access to it.

I cut a slot into the dowel to mount the plate, and secured the plate to the dowel with suitable bolts.

Keep the length of dowel fairly short, otherwise you'll have a spring mounted paint stand (don't me ask how I know)

Ron King · « **Reply #2 on:** November 21, 2006, 05:48:16 AM »

Byron Barker makes a nice paint stand. The model I use is free standing, but he also makes one that clamps into a bench vise.

Wish I had a better photo of it, but I normally focus on the plane, not the stand.

Ron

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #3 on:** November 21, 2006, 05:54:54 AM »

Steve;

This is the info I got in the building forum:
   Byron Barker Paint Stand
   C.L. Slattery
   2101 Logan Avenue
   New Albany, In. 47150
   (812)-948-9167
   linecontr@aol.com

I'm going to call them today to find out what they have. I will post any pertinent info.

Bill Gruby

steve pagano · « **Reply #4 on:** November 21, 2006, 06:27:52 AM »

Quote from: Ron King on November 21, 2006, 05:48:16 AM

Byron Barker makes a nice paint stand. The model I use is free standing, but he also makes one that clamps into a bench vise.

Wish I had a better photo of it, but I normally focus on the plane, not the stand.

Ron

does this stand come apart for easy storage?

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #5 on:** November 21, 2006, 06:33:24 AM »

Steve;

Don't know--------Good question, I'll be sure to ask when I call.

Bill Gruby

Bill Little · « **Reply #6 on:** November 21, 2006, 08:24:04 AM »

Byron's stand is in about 3 pieces that bolt together so it does break down. I have had one since he made the first one! It is the only thing I would consider using.

Bill <><

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2006, 09:38:31 AM »

Everybody who is interested;

I just got off the phone with Byron Barker of C.F. Slattery.

The big paint stand is $85.00+SH. depending on where it is going. It can be broken down for storage. No info was available for the portable model.

A Catalog is available---Just e-mail him and he will send it to you.

E-mail address is linecontr@aol.com

Thats all I have except that he is a wonderful man to talk to.

Bill Gruby

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2006, 09:39:48 AM »

I use an old camera tripod and paint with the models nose down. We end up with an aluminum piece left over from a business project that has a hole with a thumb screw and I modify them to fit the motor mounts. Like the say a picture is worth a bunch of explaining.

Busby · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2006, 10:49:29 AM »

Byron's stand is definitely the best thing I have ever used.
After propping there plane on 2x4 ,boxes and blowing dust
Into and on fresh paint ,the stand was an absolute revelation.
It is also great to use while sanding and applying masking.
Busby

Shultzie · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2006, 11:03:08 AM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on November 21, 2006, 09:39:48 AM

I use an old camera tripod and paint with the models nose down. We end up with an aluminum piece left over from a business project that has a hole with a thumb screw and I modify them to fit the motor mounts. Like the say a picture is worth a bunch of explaining.

Great lookin stunter...Too cool.
Actually that great looking stand is similar to one that we used at the Wind tunnel...but it was installed onto a "lazy-zuzzee'" so that we could spin our models quickly in eithe direction..(to get into those nasty little angles etc. Only problem was that once in a while on larger surfaces...I would find the model, stand and everything...slowly moving across the floor..
Humm, maybe too thick a paint and too much pressure.

For the most part...it really helped to have a base that rotates easily.

Keith Spriggs · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2006, 11:18:22 AM »

Paint stands are the greatest thing you can use and they come in all sizes.

steve pagano · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2006, 11:24:58 AM »

WOW is this a project your working on
what is it? what year? and whats goin under the hood details details details

sorry i get a little car crazy

i love my planes,trains and automobiles
preferably control line,lionel,and a 67 shelby

Shultzie · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2006, 11:25:56 AM »

Here is one poor soul...from years and years ago....spraying a beloved B-17's nacelle.
Just to think how horrific his nose-throat-lungs must have looked....painted in

OLIVE DRAB COLOR CO-ORDINATED LUNGS???

...

(2.62 bldg. camouflage shop)

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2006, 02:32:18 PM »

Quote from: stevepagano on November 21, 2006, 11:24:58 AM

WOW is this a project your working on
what is it?

My guess is a 51 Ford but could be 49 or 50.

Bill Sawyer · « **Reply #15 on:** November 21, 2006, 03:52:49 PM »

Eliminate the 49 as a possible. It had the gas cap sticking out the side.

Keith Spriggs · « **Reply #16 on:** November 21, 2006, 11:13:59 PM »

Quote from: Bill Sawyer on November 21, 2006, 03:52:49 PM

Eliminate the 49 as a possible. It had the gas cap sticking out the side.

You guys are pretty sharp. It is a 1950 Ford and here is a picture after I got it done. Old station is about 5 miles from where I live. Sorry the station isn't mine.

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #17 on:** November 21, 2006, 11:56:59 PM »

HEEEEELP;

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THIS CAR HAS TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL QUESTION?

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Steve is obviously asking for your help-------I did what I could, now it's up to everyone else who has any PERTINENT INPUT.

Getting off on a tangent is easy to do, Lord only knows it happens to me to. So why don't we get back on track and try to help Steve out?

??

Thanks for listening and PLEASE don,t beat me up here, use a private message or start a new thread. You can call it, WHO'S TURN IN THE BARREL TODAY.

Bill Gruby

steve pagano · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2006, 06:57:48 AM »

Just wanna say thank you for all the info,This truly is a great forum and in my opinion this is what a stunt family is all about,people from all over getting together and sharing there minds.Again thank you and have a great thanks giving.

Steve pagano

Dick Fowler · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:40:58 AM »

Quote from: Bill Gruby on November 21, 2006, 11:56:59 PM

HEEEEELP;

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THIS CAR HAS TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL QUESTION??

Steve is obviously asking for your help-------I did what I could, now it's up to everyone else who has any PERTINENT INPUT.

Getting off on a tangent is easy to do, Lord only knows it happens to me to. So why don't we get back on track and try to help Steve out???

Thanks for listening and PLEASE don,t beat me up here, use a private message or start a new thread. You can call it, WHO'S TURN IN THE BARREL TODAY.

Bill Gruby

Bill... to paraphrase - "man does not live by airplanes alone"! I would bet that almost everyone has some other interest that takes as much time (and money) as model airplanes. On the bright side, we haven't tackled world hunger yet!

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2006, 08:06:35 AM »

To All Concerned;

Let's see, it's 9:51 EST and for whatever reason I haven't slept for some 56hrs. now. The furnace quit last night and this morning they tell me I need a new one. I guess I just needed someplace to vent a little?

If I stepped on anyones toes or rained on their parade please accept my humblest appology.

Will try to work on world hunger tomorrow. Things gotta be better by then?

?

Bill Gruby

Dick Fowler · « **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2006, 09:20:04 AM »

Hi Bill, I'll speak for myself here and say I wasn't the least bit upset and I'd venture to say neither were the others on this forum. As a matter of fact I sometimes feel the same way you did when a thread goes way off topic, usually when no solution is offered just smart A$$ed remarks. In this case we had some pretty good stuff before it drifted... although it was a paint stand of a different kind that started it.

I sometimes enjoy the off topic comments when they provide some insight into the interests of the members of the forum.

Hope you get some heat for Thanksgiving and maybe some sleep too. After the big meal, I'm guaranteed a small snooze.

Shultzie · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2006, 11:22:14 AM »

Opps!
I have a horrific habit of KIDNAPPIN JUST ABOUT ANY THREAD! but hey...

and for sure....we know that perhaps...
a LOUNGE section would be the best place for many of our own rantings..but hey, we are with such a small minority of toyairplanes on strings bunch.

I truly enjoy hearing about things that involve the minds and souls of our beloved stunt-grunt family.
The more I read about folks on this board...it is GOOD FOOD N' THOUGHT...that each and every one of us are so valuable and unique in many way. Kinda the tide'that binds n' blinds???
With that in mind...GUESS ALL WE REALLY NEED TO DO...SINCE IT IS SO EASY JUST TO START ANOTHER "TOPIC?"

Bill Little · « **Reply #23 on:** November 22, 2006, 04:41:04 PM »

Shultzie....................... you kidnap a thread?

?

"and we decide which is right and which is an illusion............"

Shultzie · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2006, 05:35:08 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on November 22, 2006, 04:41:04 PM

Shultzie....................... you kidnap a thread??

"and we decide which is right and which is an illusion............"

Don't even say the word "Illusion" That was my old choro-kite a few years back:)
I CAN'T HELP MAAASELF--KITENAPPIN!
www.gambetta.org/moll/laurent/kite/tipstand.jpg

Same sail but not my kite...During the early development stages, Mark Reed..endorsed me with competition kites for a while, until that is............
I started to custom tweak and change the Illusion at bit too much... to for his approval and also my final downfall started when I began to more out of the top three placings.
Suddenly I found myself...having to BUY MY OWN KITES? HOW RUDE IS THAT?

Then I switched to Goodwind Kites..and stayed with Kathy beautiful one of a kind custom competiton freestyle kites. Plus Kathy's kite being slightly smaller, but considerably lighter and stiffer, which gave me a huge wind range. From a mere whisper of wind--up to a good 15mph. before switching to a heavier framed high wind model with vents.

Keith Spriggs · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2006, 10:59:18 PM »

Quote from: Bill Gruby on November 22, 2006, 08:06:35 AM

To All Concerned;
If I stepped on anyones toes or rained on their parade please accept my humblest appology.

Will try to work on world hunger tomorrow. Things gotta be better by then??

Since I was the one that started all of this I feel that I should make a few comments. First off Bill if the apology is directed to me I humbly accept it and offer my apologies to you also.

It might helps if you know the thought process that happened prior to me posting the pictures. I felt that Steve had got his question pretty well answered and I posted the first picture just show that I thought a paint stand was a good idea no matter what the size of the project.

When Steve, who had started the thread, seemed very interested in the car I considered sending him an email. but when I saw there was a couple of other guys who were somewhat knowledgeable about the car I decided to post the picture. Right or wrong that is how I got there.

Bill, I feel for the misery that you are enduring. About six weeks ago at about 5:30 on Friday evening my wife came out to the shop and said there is water bubbling up in the yard. I went to look and, hopefully shut off the water at the meter, hoping that it was on the city side of the meter and the water would keep on running even with the meter valve closed. No such luck it stopped immediately. I knew there was no chance of getting it fixed before Monday and probably more like Tuesday or later. Saturday morning I dug up the line where the leak was and found an old steel pipe with over half of it missing for about 2 inches. I quickly give up on the idea of a temporary patch.
All weekend long I kept reminding myself that people didn't used to take a bath but once a week. I held out till Sunday evening, when I gave in and went over to the neighbors shop and took a shower. We got it fixed by Tuesday evening, but I am sure I was more than a little edgy by then.

I appreciate all of the information that I have got on this forum, even more than that after 35 years I need a lot of information. The last thing that I want to do is to offend anyone.

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2006, 12:49:30 AM »

Hi Everybody;

Everythng is almost back to "NORMAL" now. New furnace and hot water heater were installed today. So much for having a buffer in the bank-ooooooooooooooooouch.

My wife drove me to the V.A. they gave me some "stuff" and I'm just waking up.

Thanks so much for bearing with this "Old Timer"

Sometimes it's hard to remember that when you're up to your butt in alligators that the original objective was to drain the swamp.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING everybody, I'm going back to bed. Talk to you later. Bill Gruby

NICE KITE

john e. holliday · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2006, 08:21:00 AM »

It is great to see we all need an atitude adjustment of some kind once in awhile. Seeing the paint stands is a well come sight. Now for the odds and ends for the little pieces is something else. On my cl racing planes I do the elevators seperate from the airplane. Cowls and hatches on stunt planes also. The boy walks into the basement when I am painting/finishing and says it looks like a laundry room for model planes. I have pieces hanging all over the place. It is also very interesting to see what others are doing besides model airplanes. My wood working is on the side line right now as I am doing odd jobs for people. Later, DOC Holliday

Warren Wagner · « **Reply #28 on:** November 23, 2006, 09:34:33 AM »

Quote from: stevepagano on November 21, 2006, 12:20:28 AM

Hello all
I'm about to start spraying some color on my vector and i was wondering is there an inexpensive paint stand out there?

thanks
Steve

Steve,

To answer your question, yes there is an inexpensive paint stand out there. Actually, it's not 'out there', but rather it is something that is very simple to make yourself. There is nothing complicated about making a paint stand....you can fabricate one for youself with items you have around the shop, and maybe a trip to "Home Depot" for some odds and ends.

You can design the stand to meet all of the requirement that you have, including the ability to disassemble it for storage. You can see in the photo, that my stand only has two major parts, and if designed differently, those could be separated for storage.

This stand I put together several years ago, just using materials that I had around the shop. For a stable base, I found an old, very sturdy four-wheel dolly that I had build to hold auto engines. At the time, I was not concerned about the wheels....I only wanted something substantial to hold the planes. But, the wheels turned out to be one of the best features of the paint stand.

Measure for the longest wing you might want to paint, and adjust the length of your vertical support accordingly. In my case, I permanently bolted the vertical support to the base as I had no storage problems. For your application, you could make a "socket" type fixture that the vertical support would plug into.

I don't have a good photo to show it, but the horizontal part holding the nose of the plane, is simple a pipe flange, about 4" in diameter, with the appropriate size piece of pipe threaded into it. Down the center of the pipe is a piece of 1/2" aluminum rod to which the motor mount plates are bolted. This rod is what allows the horizontal rotation.

What doesn't show, is that the length of 1/2" aluminum rod is 'trapped' inside the pipe flange with a large washer bolted onto the end of the pipe. And a small piece of 1/4" rod is used as a handle for rotating the plane. You can get clever and come up with any arrangement for the horizontal rod.

Now, back to the wheels. It was just a stoke of luck that I selected the four-wheel dolly for the base. As it turned out, being able to move the paint stand around was stoke of genius (if I had thought of it, which I hadn't). I do the final masking and solvent cleaning in my workshop, and when done, I roll the stand and plane out into the garage to spray. When finished, I will roll the stand and plane back into the furnace room to "cure" for a couple of days....then roll it back into the shop, and continue with the never ending masking.

Even during the spraying process, it is extremely convenient to be able to adjust the position of the plane without changing where I'm stand relative to the lighting. I frequently spray with one hand, and adjust the position of the plane with the other. It's a little had to describe, but if you used a "mobile" stand, you would be convinced of the practicality of having it mounted on wheels. This allows full 360 degree rotation about both the horizontal and vertical axes.

Incidental, I've seen the four-wheel dollies advertised at Harbor Freight for less than $20. Bottom line, I would find it hard to spray with a stand fixed in one position.

You will gain ideas on how to build your stand as you look at the various items that are for sale in places like Home Depot. .

So hop to it...turn your creativity loose...build a stand that you will love to use, and post a photo of it when you are done.

Cheers.

Warren Wagner

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #29 on:** November 23, 2006, 10:55:23 AM »

Variation on a theme...

This is what I built to attach to the shop work bench. Use it for carving, sanding, covering, etc. Originally used a 1" dowel slipped inside two 1" dia. plumbing straps, with the usual aluminum plate to the motor mounts. Loosen, or tighten the hold down screws on the straps to rotate the ship. The elbow on the 2 X 4's just allowed some more flexibility of movement. When I got Byrons paint stand his shaft was smaller than my original 1" dowel, so I modified my shop stand to take his shaft. Now, I can move from the shop to the spray booth without unbolting the shaft from the motor mounts!

Dennis Leonhardi · « **Reply #30 on:** November 24, 2006, 01:39:30 AM »

Man, there are some great ideas here - Thanks, guys! Both for asking the questions, and the answers.

I personally love the dolly idea - something I can zip in and out of the garage as weather and fumes dictate.

Dennis

rob biddle · « **Reply #31 on:** November 24, 2006, 02:55:46 AM »

G'day chaps,
I made a stand very similar to the Byron Barker type with some scraps of steel I had laying around the shed, it took all of about 1/2 an hour.

If you don't have access to a welder or the necessary skills it would be a very cheap exercise to have someone stick one together for you if you have the required parts organised beforehand.

I reckon about $5-10 bucks worth of scrap at the local "scrappies" (junkyard) or metal recyclers should yield a very usable result.

If you guys lived closer I'd be happy to knock them up for you. (You bring the beer!)

The stands pictured so far have been great. Is it just me or are aeromodellers the greatest innovators yet!!!

Cheers, Rob.

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #32 on:** November 24, 2006, 09:10:05 AM »

Rob;

Necessity is the Mother of Invention comes to mind.

Bill Gruby

john e. holliday · « **Reply #33 on:** November 24, 2006, 09:28:40 AM »

Rob, this is not a slam against you or anone else. Be we are cheap skates(especially me) when it comes to some things. Byron has very good items and they are worth every penny he gets for them. Also we learn to do with what we have when finances are short. Later, DOC Holliday

rob biddle · « **Reply #34 on:** November 24, 2006, 08:08:57 PM »

Hi Doc,
I couldn't agree more!,
I only managed to get a steel stand together because I had a few leftovers from a job I did to help pay for my hobby stuff.

I think most of the cottage industry stuff is quite cheap, but if I spend $80-100 on a paint stand, I haven't got that money to put towards the next plane etc.

I'm financially in a better position that I ever was before, but as you well know morgage and kids educations come first.

I am a bit of a "tightwad" with modelling tools and gadgets. I get a fair deal of satisfaction from making a lot of it myself and I love seeing other peoples ideas on the forums.

Cheers, Rob.

Derek Moran · « **Reply #35 on:** November 24, 2006, 11:02:19 PM »

The base of my stand is like William Crane's (thank you, William). The base is a 5 gallon bucket with 50 pounds of redy-mix concrete inside. I made the upright and pivot from ABS drain pipe. I routed channels in the end plates (1/2 inch ply) to fit the bosses of the wye and ran a carriage bolt through; rotation is set with a wing nut.
The stand works well. It cost less than ten bucks and only took an hour or so to construct. The upright could stand to be stiffer (sorry about the pun); larger diameter pipe would help fix that. Rotation about the Z-axis would be nice for some situations too. Its biggest asset, stability, is also its biggest liability- it's very heavy and not fun to move around.
Derek Moran

Howard Rush · « **Reply #36 on:** November 25, 2006, 11:37:09 PM »

My paint stand is too crude to show. There is a 4 x 4 post in the center of the garage. I glued a broomstick on it.

I enjoyed the Ford. The picture at the gas station is very cool.

I, too, got a wet spot in the yard. It was polybutylene water pipe, notorious for leaking after 15 years. The leak was under the driveway. Putting in a new 70-foot water pipe was kinda fun, but I decided I don't want to dig holes for a living. Had a furnace quit last year. Fortunately, it doesn't get too cold here, and a new pilot assembly fixed it up.

But back to the subject. The good news is that my wife likes the smell of airplane dope and spent the day helping me paint. The bad news is that we're painting the house.

Wayne Collier · « **Reply #37 on:** November 26, 2006, 08:46:20 PM »

"painting the house"

I love it........... LOL

Shultzie · « **Reply #38 on:** November 27, 2006, 10:44:27 AM »

[quote author=
But back to the subject. The good news is that my wife likes the smell of airplane dope and spent the day helping me paint. The bad news is that we're painting the house.

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---------------------OH MY LORDY, HOWARD!--------------------------------------
The only times that my wife Carol loved the smell of paint fumes......was when she was "WITH CHILD" and was on the verge of giving birth to a little Smotzie clone. (Perhaps...truth that model building fumes can change DNA?
Some girls crave ice cream and pickles but others...enjoy smelling weird things such as laundry detergent, gasoline, etc. but sadly my wife's urge to sniff model paint fumes and rubbing compound....ended both times shortly after we brought our new babies home.

HOWARD, DOES THIS MEAN THAT "CONGRATULATIONS" ARE IN ORDER?

CAUTION!
Attached is proof positive that modelbuilders DNA ARE FOREVER DAMAGED BY PAINT FUMES....

steve pagano · « **Reply #39 on:** November 27, 2006, 11:19:20 AM »

wow look at the green on that guy,he must have had my moms cooking

RC Storick · « **Reply #40 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:40:04 PM »

I shot my Tbolt today and had Gary Hajek take some pic's here is the Tbolt and the paint stand . Best $75.00 I ever spent!

Dick Fowler · « **Reply #41 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:53:37 PM »

Hey Robert... looks like your HD marked the drive!

Gil Reedy · « **Reply #42 on:** December 01, 2006, 12:19:40 PM »

Bob, great looking airplane, nice job. I'd post a pic of my paint stand, but it's so crude I'd be emarrased for it to be seen. Consists of 2 "C" brackets and a broomstick. Would be happy to post a pic of my '65 Mustang convertible, tho----

Rob Duckering · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2006, 09:43:50 AM »

I've seen some nice rigging at the music stores that could be adapted for paint stands. Stands for drums, music stands etc....

Author Topic: paint stands (Read 5693 times)

Dennis Leonhardi