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Offline Mike Griffin

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« on: August 19, 2023, 02:59:20 PM »
Well, this is probably not going to come as a surprise but I just logged into my SIG account and they have removed all control line kits from their page.  The drop down menu does not show any cl kits.

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Re: SIG
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2023, 03:49:29 PM »
Well, this is probably not going to come as a surprise but I just logged into my SIG account and they have removed all control line kits from their page.  The drop down menu does not show any cl kits.

Mike

I noticed the same thing.....but someone pointed out to me that if you scroll down the page further, there is still a section for C/L Kits.
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Re: SIG
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2023, 05:13:49 PM »
   They are selling existing stock until it is gone. The building has been for sale for quite a while, and if sold already, they may be leasing back some warehouse space. Anyone that has told me that they got stuff that they had ordered can never tell me what it was or what the return address was on the box!!  If you look at the web site, items that the don't have are listed as "SOLD OUT" That's way different than out of stock! They had an auction back in April where the contents of the building was sold off, including all production equipment from what I saw on the auction site and descriptions. It's my opinion that if SIG continues to exist, it will be as an importer and seller of imported R/C ARFs. I have a few other thoughts on the subject but will stay mum on that for now.
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Re: SIG
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2023, 08:06:40 PM »
I placed an order with SIG 4 weeks ago and I had a new kit and parts at my door 4 days later.

They are asking folks to request when an item / kit is back in stock, my guess is to guage demand and know where to put precious limited resources.

CL Kits do come back in stock on the site and are snapped up pretty soon after.

Ohh and the website is funky to say the least.

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Re: SIG
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2023, 10:51:07 PM »
I placed an order with SIG 4 weeks ago and I had a new kit and parts at my door 4 days later.

They are asking folks to request when an item / kit is back in stock, my guess is to guage demand and know where to put precious limited resources.

CL Kits do come back in stock on the site and are snapped up pretty soon after.

Ohh and the website is funky to say the least.

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        If you don't mind my asking, what did you order, how did you order it, (phone or on line) and what was the return address on the shipping box? This may explain some things. I saw on a C/L group on FB that they "hear" that Brodak had some Twisters and Skyray .35s back in stock. But when I checked the SIG site, they still showed "SOLD OUT." Brodak shows Twisters and Skyray .35s as "In Stock" but none of the other C/L models. They just offered a stash of P-40 ARFs on sale with free shipping, that they had "found in the back of a container or warehouse." They could have done the same with the Twisters and Skyrays, just misplaced them and lost them in their inventory at the same time they 'found" the P-40 ARFs. If SIG had made a short run of any kits, I figure they would rather sell direct themselves at the new inflated retail prices than sell to a dealer at 40% off instead . In order to produce kits, you need a building, machinery, and staff.  The building was for sale and may have been sold, the machinery was auctioned off, and the staff was all let go at the end of January. I've messaged with Becky VanDee a few times since then and all have found new jobs . SIG was also a MAJOR supplier to other smaller model airplane vendors with balsa, plastic parts, and laser cutting. Those vendors were told back in January that they would have to find other sources. My point is that you have to have eggs to make omelets. SIG , as far as I can tell, doesn't have any chickens, just some older stuff to unload.  Her Rizzo was an owner once before. He and his partners ran the company down to a point where they had to sell. A stranger jumps in, and actually tried to improve the situation by upgrading equipment improving their supply chains. The old original laser cutter was sold off, and two newer units purchased and installed. Sales still lagged. That causes cash flow problems. I sincerely doubt that a former owner that was forced to sell at one point, will be the white knight that comes in and saves the company in a market that is still shrinking, and I'm not talking about just control line. Some one sent me a video of what was supposedly an ARF builder assembling airplanes for SIG. I can't find it now. The SIG website shows ARF R/C kits in stock, but a majority of their R/C kits are "SOLD OUT."  So maybe they are bringing some R/C ARFS into the country, but I see no significant change in anything else. If they produced C/L kits again, they would have to start over from scratch I think.
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Re: SIG
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2023, 03:31:17 AM »
I will check the shipping box for the address when I get back in my shop.

My order was for a 35 Skyray, a rubber freeflight kit that had been out of stock and Super Chipmunk parts. Order was through the website.

It could be what I have is existing (old) stock, but everything I received was new condition.
If everything you say is true then unless they unearth old inventory, Kit supply is at an end, that’s pretty sad.

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Re: SIG
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2023, 07:34:32 PM »
I will check the shipping box for the address when I get back in my shop.

My order was for a 35 Skyray, a rubber freeflight kit that had been out of stock and Super Chipmunk parts. Order was through the website.

It could be what I have is existing (old) stock, but everything I recieved was new condition.
If everything you say is true then unless they unearth old inventory, Kit supply is at an end, that’s pretty sad.

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At least that is what it says on the label.



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Re: SIG
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2023, 08:43:43 AM »
It has been a year since I ordered some fuel. Never came and I finally gave up after repeated requests.

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Re: SIG
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2023, 08:45:06 AM »
Dan,

Did you find that the Sig auction sold the important central tools like the laser cutters, or more like the boxes of mismatched wrenches you'd find in a garage sale?

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Re: SIG
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2023, 09:45:29 AM »
Dan,

Did you find that the Sig auction sold the important central tools like the laser cutters, or more like the boxes of mismatched wrenches you'd find in a garage sale?

thanks,

Peter

      The auction site had photos of everything . In these types of auctions, they sell EVERYTHING!! Anything that is between the walls and under roof. After my younger brother passed away, my sister in law liquidated his machine shop business the same way. It was a live, in person and on line auction as most of these are these days, and it is a very fast paced affair. They sold everything right down to the really old vaccum cleaner that was in his bathroom! Small items are put in parts boxes as a lot. If a lot doesn't draw a bid in the first few seconds, they add something else to it until it does. The company that did the SIG auction had hundreds of photos on their website leading up to it. They showed everything, including the rugs on the floor and office furniture. The desks where Mike Gretz and Mike Pratt probably sat at looked like they did the last time I say them in person. All the machine shop equipment was pictured. Shelves in the balsa cutting building that still had some balsa stacked on them. It was the entire contents of the entire building complex. Keep in mind that all of this equipment was pretty old, and who knows what kind of operating condition it was all in. Glenn built a lot of it himself from scratch. Die cutters were converted old letter printing presses.  The previous owner installed a new dust collector system and some saws after a fire in 2019, I think it was, and then the two previously owned laser cutters were probably the most modern machines they had. It was amazing what SIG could produce at their peal with what they had for equipment but it took the right people to do it.  BYU says the return address is still the old one on Front Street, so either the building hasn't sold or they are leasing back some warehouse space. That part of the Iowa is farm country, and Montezuma is a typical small farm town. It was where Hazel and Glenn lived and worked at first. That's why SIG was where it was. The lot where the building complex is located is also a residential area. The buildings are a patchwork of additions added on over time as SIG grew and might be attractive to everyone that looks at it. It might not even be feasible to tear it all down and build new houses on the site because the market there couldn't support it , or building a new commercial building. Lots of complications in that respect, and I imagine the first domino that has to fall to allow SIG to move is the sale of the old property. We are 8 months down the line from the time SIG shut down and laid off the staff and Herb Rizzo put the announcement on the web site that SIG was not for sale or closing, but would be moving. The fact that this hasn't happened yet leads me to believe that he doesn't have the capital to do it
    Thanks for the information Uncle Bob!! Interesting that you got a Skyray .35. The website doesn't show C/L kits on the drop down menu, but if you scroll down on the home page the usual offerings are there but almost all are "SOLD OUT."  And now we know the web site works, but I wonder if anyone answers the phone? I might test that out sooner or later.
    I really wish this all wasn't happening. I love SIG products and loved going to the contests and considered everyone there friends. In retrospect, it was almost inevitable. When Hazel and Maxey wanted to retire and sell the company, that didn't go as smoothly as you might think and the deal with the first buyer fell through, and they resumed ownership. It has changed hands several times since then, with the most promising one being the guy from New Zealand, Chris Lehay or something like that, but he had sudden health issues and had to sell again.. Like I said earlier, it's August now, so we'll see what develops by the end of the year.
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Re: SIG
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2023, 10:07:46 AM »
Their facebook page has a lot of info........
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2023, 01:11:08 PM »
Their facebook page has a lot of info........

   If I search SIG Manufacturing on FB, I come up with the page of the last owner,  Tom Lagerhausen. I don't come up with anything searching just SIG. If they have a new FB page, I can't find it. The last post on the Lagerhausen page is dated April 2021. Some of the still photos I saw were from the video that I can't find now. If there is a new FB page, what's it called?
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Re: SIG
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2023, 07:17:23 PM »
   If I search SIG Manufacturing on FB, I come up with the page of the last owner,  Tom Lagerhausen. I don't come up with anything searching just SIG. If they have a new FB page, I can't find it. The last post on the Lagerhausen page is dated April 2021. Some of the still photos I saw were from the video that I can't find now. If there is a new FB page, what's it called?
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Here's the Herb Rizzo 'Sig is not closing or for sale..." page. 

I don't see 'lots of info' here, however....just the same story.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057363043548
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Re: SIG
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2023, 06:12:46 AM »
Yeah..."it was tongue in cheek...."

Here's the Herb Rizzo 'Sig is not closing or for sale..." page. 

I don't see 'lots of info' here, however....just the same story.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057363043548
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2023, 11:52:14 AM »
Yeah..."it was tongue in cheek...."

  The internet needs an emoji for that!! This doesn't quite do it!  n~
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