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Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« on: June 03, 2021, 01:59:37 PM »
How about posting pictures of your 2021 Nats airplanes? 
For those of us that can't attend, it would be great to see the awesome selection of planes heading to Muncie this year.
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2021, 05:49:41 PM »
Here’s mine! A whopping 17 flights on it this year, but it trimmed out to be the best airplane I’ve flown!
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2021, 04:43:37 AM »
Here is mine.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2021, 06:06:52 AM »
Original design "PointsFinder EP"
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2021, 06:52:06 AM »
Here’s mine! A whopping 17 flights on it this year, but it trimmed out to be the best airplane I’ve flown!
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2021, 06:52:52 AM »
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2021, 10:56:40 AM »
heres mine
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2021, 11:28:30 AM »
heres mine

Awesome Robert!!!
The Tucker is one of my favorite Classic designs.
I hope she does well for you

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2021, 12:22:25 PM »
heres mine

Outstanding!

What a message this model is sending! And we know you do your own work. H^^
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2021, 03:34:56 PM »
I might fly this one if I can trim it out
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2021, 03:58:19 PM »
Awesome Robert!!!
The Tucker is one of my favorite Classic designs.
I hope she does well for you

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Thanks Larry but it's not really a Tucker it's a 60 inch look alike
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2021, 05:29:43 PM »
Thanks Larry but it's not really a Tucker it's a 60 inch look alike
Both are beautiful.  Fly the one that flies the best but if they fly the same fly the "Tucker", it is beautifuller. H^^

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2021, 05:49:09 PM »
Here’s mine. Relentless version of the Nemesis.

Hey Matt; I'm up to 9 flights on mine.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2021, 08:43:31 PM »
I plan to debut the FW at the Dallas contest this coming weekend.  Then it is on to the Nats.

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2021, 10:28:55 PM »
I plan to debut the FW at the Dallas contest this coming weekend.  Then it is on to the Nats.

Joe

What an awesome build.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2021, 05:38:08 PM »
heres mine

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2021, 06:00:14 PM »
I plan to debut the FW at the Dallas contest this coming weekend.  Then it is on to the Nats.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2021, 06:14:30 PM »
I failed to finish my Pathfinder LE so I’ll be flying my SV11 arf. Only complaint is no appearance points.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2021, 08:48:56 PM »
Ken,
   I only have one FW.  Even though I flew it for the first time in April of last year, Dallas will be the first contest I will have flown it in.  As you can guess, this is all because of the virus situation plus a little help from all the bad weather around Dallas this spring.

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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2021, 01:02:52 PM »
After 8 days here’s where Samuel is at with his Dixon Vector .40 Profile. Color going on next. Current weight is 39oz w/engine, tank, wheels. It’ll get a 1 color dope finish with some simple vinyl striping of some kind since we started way to late. An LA .46 with Brian Gardner internals will go up front. Probably be trimming it out at Muncie. ;D ;D
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2021, 02:39:55 PM »
When we smell dope at the hotel we'll know which room it's coming from.....That's a Nats tradition......isn't it?

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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2021, 03:27:10 PM »
When we smell dope at the hotel we'll know which room it's coming from.....That's a Nats tradition......isn't it?

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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2021, 04:38:05 PM »
After 8 days here’s where Samuel is at with his Dixon Vector .40 Profile. Color going on next. Current weight is 39oz w/engine, tank, wheels. It’ll get a 1 color dope finish with some simple vinyl striping of some kind since we started way to late. An LA .46 with Brian Gardner internals will go up front. Probably be trimming it out at Muncie. ;D ;D

   Why so much engine for that size and weight airplane? I know everyone loves the LA.46 and it's a great engine when matched to a proper size and weight model, but you are only using about half of it in that airplane. I mounted a LA.46 on a profile Cardinal for a while just to check out that particular engine, and had a hard time detuning it and getting a satisfactory run and lap time. I put a LA.40 in it and it was much easier to get set up and dialed in. I ran a LA.46 in a Sakitumi for several years and did well with it, and then decided to go back to an FP-40 in that model and I think it's a better match. You can get the engine to run better near peak power output instead of trying to dial a .46 back well off it's peak power output. Just asking.
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2021, 05:01:10 PM »
After 8 days here’s where Samuel is at with his Dixon Vector .40 Profile. Color going on next. Current weight is 39oz w/engine, tank, wheels. It’ll get a 1 color dope finish with some simple vinyl striping of some kind since we started way to late. An LA .46 with Brian Gardner internals will go up front. Probably be trimming it out at Muncie. ;D ;D

Dan has some good points in his post.  This airplane would be much happier with any good 35, or even a 25FP than with the 46LA.  It’s needlessly powerful and heavy for a 39oz 50” plane.  In addition to the run issues Dan mentioned, remember that all that weight up front from that engine and larger tank has to be balanced by adding weight at the back.

You can probably make it all work ok, but there are easier roads to take. 

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2021, 05:15:34 PM »
   Why so much engine for that size and weight airplane?

Because the LA46 is a better engine for most fliers than the FP40/LA40, in that it is nearly foolproof to operate.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2021, 05:53:36 PM »
Dan has some good points in his post.  This airplane would be much happier with any good 35, or even a 25FP than with the 46LA.  It’s needlessly powerful and heavy for a 39oz 50” plane.  In addition to the run issues Dan mentioned, remember that all that weight up front from that engine and larger tank has to be balanced by adding weight at the back.

You can probably make it all work ok, but there are easier roads to take. 

Gary

It will do just fine with that engine. And it won't be a 39 oz plane. It won't need tail weight.

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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2021, 05:57:06 PM »
To Dan and Gary. Firstly the plane is at 39ozs NOW. I expect it to gain several more ozs with color and clear dope as well as adding hinges, epoxying the wing in, fillets, spinner and the rest of the control system. I think you are mistaken if you think a .25 will fly this plane, an exceptional .35 might do it if it stayed at 39ozs (which it won't). I don't think underpowering it is an easier road to take. Why the .46? Because I have seen 2 of these exact same airplanes perform flawlessly with that exact same engine set-up. I have been beaten in Profile Advanced my last 2 outings by a guy with the same plane/engine. I appreciate your input, thank you for wishing Sam luck.
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »
If it were mine, it would have the 46 in it.

No chance a 25 would work in it.

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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2021, 06:37:44 PM »
Hey Mike and Sam I agree Totally the 46 is the way to go  Keep up the great work !!!!!

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« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2021, 07:58:42 PM »
To Dan and Gary. Firstly the plane is at 39ozs NOW. I expect it to gain several more ozs with color and clear dope as well as adding hinges, epoxying the wing in, fillets, spinner and the rest of the control system. I think you are mistaken if you think a .25 will fly this plane an exceptional .35 might do it if it stayed at 39ozs (which it won't). I don't think underpowering it is an easier road to take. Why the .46? Because I have seen 2 of these exact same airplanes perform flawlessly with that exact same engine set-up. I have been beaten in Profile Advanced my last 2 outings by a guy with the same plane/engine. I appreciate your input, thank you for wishing Sam luck.

    Most definitely I did NOT recommend a .25!  n1  I mentioned a LA.40 is more in the wheel house of this size and weight model. Reread my post. The LA.40 gets a lot of bad press and I don't understand why, as they handle the same,  to me, as the .46, just use less prop and make less power. I use them pretty much straight out of the box and like I posted before I found them easier to get matched up to a plane that size. I have been down the .25 road with models this size like Twisters, Primary Force, original Tutor and such and while you can get them to fly the pattern, you are right at or just beyond their peak power and have nothing left for adverse conditions and such. I like an engine to work, but not get over worked. And the flip side of that is if you have to detune it below a certain level, I think it's kind of a waste and it presents it's own kind of problems. Even if the model comes in between 45 to 50 ounces, that is still well within the capabilities of the LA.40, (or the FP-40, which I give a slight edge in power to.) and have some power to spare and use a wider range of props and operating it near where it makes it's best power. To me, the LA.46 really starts to shine when model weight starts getting up between 50 to 60 ounces and 500 to 600 sq in., which is what the range that I think the average joe bell crank tends to build and finish in. And one thing to keep in mind is, you got beat the last two times out in advanced by the pilot, not the airplane!!  Again, just asking, and again, good luck at the NATS!
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« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2021, 08:40:45 PM »
The LA46 is my IC weapon of choice but they are NOT foolproof.  I had one that started acting up and nothing I could do worked.  The motor hero in our flying group (he could probably make a WenMac start) fiddled with it and it started working perfect again...proof that it is only fool-resistant. I don't subscribe to the always run at peak power group.  The LA is perfectly comfortable dialed back to a fast 4.

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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2021, 07:24:37 AM »
Here's my new twin design, the Wildfire. (Crossfire... Wildfire... Get it?)

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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2021, 10:14:25 AM »
To Dan and Gary. Firstly the plane is at 39ozs NOW. I expect it to gain several more ozs with color and clear dope as well as adding hinges, epoxying the wing in, fillets, spinner and the rest of the control system. I think you are mistaken if you think a .25 will fly this plane, an exceptional .35 might do it if it stayed at 39ozs (which it won't). I don't think underpowering it is an easier road to take. Why the .46? Because I have seen 2 of these exact same airplanes perform flawlessly with that exact same engine set-up. I have been beaten in Profile Advanced my last 2 outings by a guy with the same plane/engine. I appreciate your input, thank you for wishing Sam luck.
Note that I did not say “a 25”, I said a 25FP, and there is a difference.  The 25FP is at least a match for the Fox 35, and that engine has powered untold numbers of 45-50 oz, 500-550 sq in stunt planes over the decades.  Things such as Super Chipmunk’s and Noblers, etc, have all performed at high competition levels with a lowly Fox 35 up front.
As described, your plane may well end up slightly north of 45oz, and with your stated wing area, I would assume it would be in the same basic class as a Nobler or Super Chipmunk, which is why I’m certain that a decent 35 should be fine.

But, it’s not my plane and I certainly didn’t intend to start an argument. Please disregard and carry on.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2021, 08:42:40 PM »
Here's my new twin design, the Wildfire. (Crossfire... Wildfire... Get it?)

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 Gee Bob, looks like the SuperFil worked really well.  :##
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2021, 10:49:44 PM »
Here's my new twin design, the Wildfire. (Crossfire... Wildfire... Get it?)

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Bob, that is a thing of beauty!!!!

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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2021, 10:54:33 PM »
My painting skills are a bit rusty.

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2021, 06:30:50 PM »
Here is mine.
Been a tough year. Only have about 250 flights on it this year so far. Last week saw most days at 30 + winds  and then today it was dead still. At least I could fly in the dead still!

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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2021, 08:44:04 PM »
Here is mine.
Been a tough year. Only have about 250 flights on it this year so far. Last week saw most days at 30 + winds  and then today it was dead still. At least I could fly in the dead still!

Looks familiar. I really like this model, scheme and color choice.

Triple kudos!!

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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2021, 09:08:39 PM »
Looks familiar. I really like this model, scheme and color choice.

Triple kudos!!

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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2021, 09:49:48 PM »
 Seems like many are holding their cards here.  D>K
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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2021, 10:47:30 PM »
My painting skills are a bit rusty.

Hope everyone has an enjoyable Nats.

I think it is the humidity in the air where you live rusting the iron based paint!  🤣🤣🤣

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2021, 06:23:48 AM »
Here is mine.
Been a tough year. Only have about 250 flights on it this year so far. Last week saw most days at 30 + winds  and then today it was dead still. At least I could fly in the dead still!

Only 250?? I think that’s more than I’ve flown in the last three years! I’m up to 23 flights for the year….should arrive in Muncie with 26.
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« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2021, 06:26:07 AM »
Here's my new twin design, the Wildfire. (Crossfire... Wildfire... Get it?)

Bob Hunt

 

So is the next one the Bonfire?  LL~
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2021, 06:53:33 AM »
So is the next one the Bonfire?  LL~
Can we stop with the "fires"! LL~

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2021, 08:17:09 AM »
OK....
One more....

Fireflies!
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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2021, 08:42:25 AM »
Thank you!

Paul,

If you've read my other Posts and replies, I'm sure you know I'm not one to fraternize.

It's a great looking model, or I would have said nothing.

An usual but excellent blend of color choice, placement, plus percentages of color. Well balanced as we say in the graphics trade.

Every design, scheme, "creation" especially a model of this "visual" character, has a "back story."

I'd be interested in this story and how the finished product came about?

Kudos again.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2021, 09:07:48 AM »

There is not much of a back story.

The paint scheme was a response to a couple of issues. The first was the 2020 Nat's plane being red and it tended to be harder to see than I had imagined. I got that comment at the Nat's, after the Nat's, and I could see the issue on video. Then there is the 92 impact. It is nearly 30 years old, and the covering very brittle. I sprayed it with Brodak Rejuvinator, and it helped. Got a flight on it that way. But, it was too easy to punch holes in the covering, and it is once again unplayable. I was considering refinishing it for display.

These two problems came together on the new plane. Why not paint the new on as a tribute to the 92 plane, and it will be more visible. With modern software and hardware, cutting masks for it was simple and made the whole process go quite fast.

The finished product flies at 62.5 ounces  all fueled up!

This one did not fly right off the bench. It was quite the opposite. I almost hung it on the wall and pulled out the refinished 2019, 2020 plane, also in these colors. But, bit by bit it came around, and it won the flyoff to attend the Nat's this year. It was during the back to back flights on the two planes that I found the last remaining trim change that made it the winner.

So, it will be attending the Nat's as my primary plane, and the refinished 2019, 2020 plane will be an able backup!

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2021, 09:41:55 AM »

The paint scheme was a response to a couple of issues. The first was the 2020 Nat's plane being red and it tended to be harder to see than I had imagined.

   Reduced red sensitivity is the most common color vision defect. That's why I usually wear yellow-brown sunglass lenses - lightens the red relative to the other colors, and only has minimal negative effect on the green background.

    My buddies at work don't like the color selections I make for plots, etc, which are colors on black backgrounds. Standard RGB red is really dark, standard RGB blue is much brighter - to me. Everybody else seems to see the red very brightly and the blue is too dark for them. I have to lighten the blue for them with other colors.

   Red= roll, Blue/Purple = Pitch, Yellow = Yaw, what could be more obvious?


This one did not fly right off the bench. It was quite the opposite. I almost hung it on the wall ..

    I can sympathize with that one...   "Brownian motion" trim changes have resolved most of my problems, aside from my brain.

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2021, 10:05:48 AM »
250 flights is about 6 flights twice a week for 5 months. I can see that, I fly 6-8 times a session but the weather doesn't let me get out often enough to get a high total number.


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I doubt I’ve been able to put in 250 patterns since I started flying PA in spring of ‘18!

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Re: Show Us Your 2021 Nats Planes!
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2021, 01:44:45 PM »
I doubt I’ve been able to put in 250 patterns since I started flying PA in spring of ‘18!

In my "prime" I used to burn 60 to 70 gallons a year! And that was  with a 6 ounce tank!  I am now a mere shadow of my previous years.


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