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Offline John Craig

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Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« on: August 02, 2015, 01:16:11 PM »
I have a white Rustoleum painted (dried 3 weeks) fuselage that I tried to attach a metallic blue monocote stripe down the center.  It looked terrible & came off very easily. Now I have an area where the blue color has bled into the paint.  The usual mild solvents have been little help.    ???

All suggestions welcome!

Looked wrinkly, did not stick well, much more trouble than it was worth.  Wished I had left good enough alone!
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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2015, 01:31:06 PM »
Is the bleeding where you tried to attach the blue monokote ?
Try sanding the surface lightly to roughen it up. Use sig stix-it.in the area and then reapply the monokote stripe ?
This is a thought Not yet sure how well that stuff works since I have ordered some for myself and hoping it works on my models.

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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2015, 01:33:27 PM »
Did it look terrible because of the color combination or was it wrinkly because it didn't stick well?

beyond that -- what Jim said.
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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2015, 01:46:17 PM »
John,

Stop by your local sign shop and ask for scraps of vinyl. They will have blue in a few different colors.

 Lay out your design on the vinyl as you did on the Monokote then simply put it in place.

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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2015, 02:31:58 PM »
I have a white Rustoleum painted (dried 3 weeks) fuselage that I tried to attach a metallic blue monocote stripe down the center.  It looked terrible & came off very easily. Now I have an area where the blue color has bled into the paint.  The usual mild solvents have been little help.    ???

All suggestions welcome!

Looked wrinkly, did not stick well, much more trouble than it was worth.  Wished I had left good enough alone!

Hi John,

If you are just trying to put a blue stripe on the fuselage instead of Monocote why not just mask off for the stripe & brush on some blue Rustoleum?  More permanent & less trouble.
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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2015, 02:44:17 PM »
John you might try wet sanding with 1000grit sandpaper.

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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2015, 03:05:20 PM »
I'm with Mr Byles, he is after all a genuine Pro at this stuff.  Mask the thing and paint it.  It's almost always easier and much more durable than trying to use sticky stuff!  Accept that from one who has spent a life time trying to use sticky stuff, usually with similar results to what you had. 

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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2015, 03:07:39 PM »
Best solution so far is to mask it off and paint it with blue Rustoleum.

Sign vinyl is not fuel proof and will come off.
Any solvent that will attack the Monokote glue will also attack the paint.
Wet sanding might work depending on how thick the paint is.

PS: Randy snuck in while I was typing, looks like we agree.

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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2015, 03:27:11 PM »
My experience with Rustoleum is that if you let it cure long enough to be fuel proof then it's also Rustoleum-proof.  I got seriously poor adhesion on the one plane that I painted white then left for a few weeks and then painted trim.

I suspect you'll be just fine if you scuff it up before painting, though.

(If you paint trim 48 hours after painting base, just mask, paint, and get the masking tape off while the trim is still tacky.  I've painted two planes this way and had no trouble -- the third plane I waited too long and I should have masked, scuffed, and painted.  I haven't tried scuffing when the surface is only 48 hours old -- I'd go lightly until I was sure I wouldn't just ball everything up.)
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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2015, 03:29:05 PM »
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Sign vinyl is not fuel proof and will come off.

Bob,

You better hurry up and tell all these guys that the vinyl graphics I provide for them aren't fuel proof. Only 20 years of it.

Especially the guys that have scale models that win both R/C scale events and CL scale events.

Here's just a small peek as to what I provide. Not one customer has yet told me the stuff fell off because of fuel or gas.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/community/profile.cfm?section=gallery&memid=11343






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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2015, 06:04:24 PM »
Hey,  some of that stuff you made may be copyrighted.  Aren't you taking a criminal and civil risk making that?  I remember you said it was illegal for you to make the Magician decal.   Just wondering....

Rusty,

What I said was I wasn't comfortable copying someone else's art. I actually have permission now to reproduce the Magician art.

I have a "corporate logo disk" I purchased years ago. You buy the disc and you use the art on it. The art is in vector format for reproducing. All graphics and sign guys buy them.They are sold to the trade and weren't cheap back then.

Just like a Fonts disc. Buy the disc and use the fonts. I have more fonts than I'll ever need.

Careful clearing those Magician decals, that's really nice art.

 

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Re: Short of Sanding & Re-Painting ???
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2015, 06:51:29 PM »
I'm not going to waste the last original decals on mine.  I haven't given up on getting some made yet.

thanks

Rusty,

I can most likely make them but I cannot charge you for them.

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