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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Clint Ormosen on April 18, 2019, 10:21:36 PM
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Well, what do think. Built from a sterling kit about ‘93. weighs 30oz as pictured. Painted with still to this day sticky Coverite 21st spray paint. Originally flown with a most ill tempered OS Max 1 .29.
Save it? Scrap it? (I’m leaning toward scrap)
Vote now.
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If you use some stripper to get it all down to the bare wood, spend a couple weeks of evenings cleaning and sanding everything, redo all the controls, make up new leadouts and recover the wing, silkspan the rest of the plane, redo the elevator hinges, prime, sand, prime, sand, finish and repaint, get some new wheels and L/G, remount a different engine, fuel tank and plumbing...it'll still be a Ringmaster. :)
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An excellent point, Wayne.
The only smidgen of a reason I’m even considering it is because I’m thinking about trying Old Time stunt and there’s a Ringmaster only event at VSC.
All U/C pilots can essentially be broken down into two groups. There’s Ringmaster guys and Flite Streak guys. I’m definitely the latter.
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I am personally a saver. If it is salvageable, I would try my best to save it.
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I am of the camp that says Save It! There is nothing wrong with salvaging a good Ringmaster. Recovered and repainted , fitted with a good motor and a uniflow tank, and it will fly as good as any Ringmaster. If completed weight goes much above 30 oz (you said it was 30 as is) , get a good OS 20FP, put a APC 9-4 on it and a 2.5oz tank, new leadouts, and go enjoy it!!
Gary
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"The only smidgen of a reason I’m even considering it is because I’m thinking about trying Old Time stunt and there’s a Ringmaster only event at VSC. "
Either a RSM or Brodak kit build very light, and allow even further opportunities to lighten.
Time wise a new kit puts you ahead of the game as well.
Have fun!
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Hello
Still looks very saveable to me :)
I try to save every plane until there is more glue then wood and everything is totally fuel soaked.
When they look really bad I get my sons or newbies to fly them as trainers, nothing goes to waste early here!
Coming from New Zealand the reasoning is kits are expensive as you need to double the cost to allow for shipping and balsa is really pricey too again due to freight costs but glue and paint are still cheap enough and if I cover in cheap nylon or silk they can refinished/rebuilt cheaply.
Another reason is I like a few basic beaters/rough models for mucking around when the weather is poor to save my more presentable models for those summer events/contests and you always need backups if you fly a lot.
Regards Gerald
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"Old Ringmasters never die, they just fade away......"
One of the official rules is that you never throw away a Ringmaster, even a Sterling one that was probably overweight before you opened the kit. - Ken
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Put it on eBay as a collectible antique. Could get big $. Take money and buy a ringmaster from Tom Morris. y1 LL~
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Uh John, that won't work unless you mention RARE. D'oh....
I vote to save. Just because. I rebuild most wrecks as the pieces already fit! Not saying it makes sense, it's just what I do, and you asked. I reckon this is one election where my one vote might, just might, matter.
I made a classic legal chipmunk out of a half poorly built super chipmunk. Even lowered the wing to the correct position. Would have been SO MUCH easier to just scratch build one, I just figured the old girl didn't want to die having never been finished or flown... Models have feelings too.
Cheers,
Mike
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Rebuild her. I rebuilt mine 3 times already, still flies great with an old OS 35. Why not, It's only balsa.---Louie
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If you have the means to start fresh on something you'd really like to have, instead of that old soldier, that's what I would do. Putting the effort into a project that you are not motivated to complete can kill off a lot of enthusiasm. Now, having said that, have I actually learned that lesson yet? Regrettably, no. Not even close to it. I keep rebuilding Other People's Planes (OPPs) seemingly without regard to condition or future potential. So don't count my vote. Tear it up. Void it out for having selected two choices and left the chads hanging.
Divot
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The original RM probably can't compete well against a "modernized" version...which at least one I'm aware of has a different airfoil. I don't know if they let this type in vsc but for competition Id build a new version. This is an easy scratch build and I wouldn't even consider a kit. Otherwise, I'd redo the original and enjoy the old timer for what it is.
Whatever you do don't destroy it...make it a wall hanger or gift it to someone who appreciates it.
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I’ve seen worse. The winningest Ringmaster of all time was a club mascot won and placed in many Old Time events. Started off lite, ended up porky. Many crashes. Many quick fast in a hurry glue togethers cover with something plastic. If controls are decent— needs a push rod guide at least, an easy salvage. Wash up. Dish detergent works. Peel off covering that will peel. Get the open bays clear. Let dry. Cover with whatever plastic coat. Shrink going from top side to bottom side avoiding wing twist. Bolt on a Fox 35 somebody got to run right. It’s a potential winner. Our handed down ringer did.
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You are a good flyer Clint, you might not be happy with a POS
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That plane needs to be refinished enough so you can use it to teach newbies with it. Remember to cut the elevator movement down . I remember my first Ringmaster that I built years ago had elevator movement of 50 up and down. Did win my first trophies with it. Still have the trophies. Ringmaster for ever. H^^
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This one should really "just fade away". 30 oz, without engine doesn't sound good. You will end up with a heavy toad that will mush on corners. Best plan would be to build a more "modern" and lighter version of Ringmaster.
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.....set it on fire then run over it with a lawn mower.
Motorman 8)
That would be a hate crime.
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So far it’s dead even.
8 for rebuilding
8 for scraping.
Sheesh!
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Hi Clint, I just finished repairing an original S-1 Ringmster which I had originally built for my late son in 1976! It still flies great especially with an LA .25 up front and on 56.5" lines .015 gauge. I enjoy the memories that old clunker brings back as well as the "new" thrills it still affords! By all means do not sell nor scrap this piece as it will continue to give you many more happy hours of fun I know mine has done this for me!
Phil Spillman
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Hi Clint - here's another vote for "leave it on the wall and build a new, light straight one." You are too good a flyer to ever be happy with an old probably-not-very-square-anymore antique (though the "run over it with a lawn mower" option is intriguing). Or build a Flite Streak and be happier still. If your goal is to fly competitively at VSC (and why wouldn't it be) you will want something built to your 2019 standards, not those from decades ago. And put an FP20 on it.
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It's really your decision, but 30 ounces?
If you do run it over with a lawn mower, remove the leadouts and landing gear -- it's really a pain to get wire unwrapped from lawnmower blades.
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Clint, save it, re cover it and give it to some up coming beginner. 8 or 80, it's a good plane to learn with. H^^
Clint, I'm for rebuilding it. And giving it away!
Jerry
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It's really your decision, but 30 ounces?
If you do run it over with a lawn mower, remove the leadouts and landing gear -- it's really a pain to get wire unwrapped from lawnmower blades.
Or pulling it out of your car/truck tire! I once ran over (accidentally) a bicycle brake with my truck and immediately got a flat tire. mw~
Jerry
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If it weren’t for the fact that it weighs 30oz with no motor or muffler, this would be a no brainer. But add a new finish and powertrain a t I’ll have myself a near 40oz Ring. That’s definitely not going to work for a competitive model. Hate to toss it but I’ve already got enough airplanes in my que to not mess with this thing. The only reason it’s not already trashed is because it’s one of the few models I still have from 25 yrs ago.
Anyone near me want it??
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Recheck your scale and weigh it again. Unless it's "Jason Pearson Spruce Goose" even a kit built Ring usually ain't that heavy. I don't think it would be that heavy if it was entirely made of 12 pound wood. I have a Craig's List rescue kit built version witha Fox.35 in it that only weighs 29 or 30 ounces. I also have a few models hanging around to get "saved" that aren't as nice as your Ringmaster! If you are going to scrap it, at least give it a Viking funeral. It's a more fitting end for a once proud bird! My official vote is to do a quick and simple resurrection with iron on covering just so it can be flyable again. If you have a buddy that needs to borrow an airplane for old time, you can lend him this one, while you fly you secretly built 19 ounce world beater Ringmaster!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Recheck your scale and weigh it again. Unless it's "Jason Pearson Spruce Goose" even a kit built Ring usually ain't that heavy. I don't think it would be that heavy if it was entirely made of 12 pound wood.
As a personal friend of Jason Pearson, I know EXACTLY what your talking about.
However, my scale is correct. 29.7oz. I don't know what it weighed when I first built it. This model was out of my possession for 10+ years. It's had a recover, nose rebuild, and landing gear added. It might make some poor guy a decent flying trainer.
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I was actually just being a smart a-- with my initial comment, it can be fun to revive an old bird. I've done a few of them, it's a different type of satisfaction from completing a "normal" build project. I meant nothing against Ringmasters either, as far as I'm concerned there's not a more iconic silhouette in the C/L sky. Your Ringmaster needs basically everything, it's not a list topper but I'd probably say what the heck and give it a shot, but get that Sabre finished first!
Here's a rescue pet from a few years ago, an old "Manx Cat"...
https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/manx-cat-up-for-adoption-(new-ready-for-clear-pics)/msg217133/#msg217133
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If you give a 40 ounce Ringmaster to a beginner, that will certainly cause him/her to abandon the hobby. Not unlike all those people who tried a Cox plastic plane with reed valve motor, and then gave up in disgust.
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Alright, the fate of this old Ringmaster is.....
Saved! But not for competition, just going to recover/repaint for any newbies that want to try it. I'll build a new one for the VSC event. The problem is I'm not (likely) going to get to it before the next VSC.
The only reason this Ringmaster isn't in the burn pile is because some of you guys get to me with your sentiment for old planes. Dammit.
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VSC is 11 months away! It doesn't take very long to build a Ringmaster from a kit.
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What you have is ideal for saber-dancing!! Stick an old Fox 35 on it, moneycoat it, hook up a 3rd line to the tail and go have fun hanging on the prop. If nothing else, you are sure to prang it seriously enough to finally claim that it "went out in glory!"
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VSC is 11 months away! It doesn't take very long to build a Ringmaster from a kit.
I know, but too many irons in the fire. A Classic model to finish and another to start, PA model getting started, and a couple of other small projects to finish.
All before starting a Ringmaster.
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Strip it. Put rattle can on the fuse, (depending on how the staining from stripping looks clear poly might look pretty rat rod cool) wrap the wings in plastic, put on a reliable la25 and let other people fly it after putting it througb the paces.
Phil
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A turd like that would be ideal to use ONLY for the Ringmaster Fun Fly thing in early October. Set it up with a 1 or 2 oz clunk tank so you can put in just enough fuel for 10-20 laps per flight, slow controls, fairly short lines, and leave it in the circle with a jug of suitable fuel, for everybody to fly. Make it clear that it's a turd and it is absolutely verboten to do as much as a wingover with it. You should be able to crack off at least 50 flights, if you just fly one plane and don't waste time hauling planes in & out of the circle. H^^ Steve
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^^^^this^^^^!!!!
"You should be able to crack off at least 50 flights, if you just fly one plane and don't waste time hauling planes in & out of the circle"
nothing fancy..... odds n ends mono kotex.....in fact the uglier the better!...flight(s) of the Phoenix
hell have fun with it--- then after max flight(s) record breaking for the fly a thon.... a fiery funeral is appropriate at dusk.......