Author Topic: Scoring Question (Read 1867 times)

Kim Mortimore · « **on:** June 21, 2007, 11:17:37 AM »

Bubba B. Bellcranque VIII graduates from Beginner and enters his first contest as an Intermediate. As he starts his pattern, he is afflicted with temporary amnesia, as in a soap opera, and thinks he is still a Beginner. Halfway into his first inside loop he snaps out of it and realizes he has flown a Beginner wingover, rather than a reverse wingover. How many points is he entitled to for the wingover?

Kim Mortimore

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2007, 12:35:28 PM »

10 pt ATTEMPT for wingover & (if I understood you right) 10 pt ATTEMPT for Inside loops started but not completed.

Bubba better hope there's a 2nd round!

Jim Thomerson · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2007, 12:38:22 PM »

In Intermediate the official flight starts when you come out of the reverse wingover upside down. He was simply flying some maneuvers to see if all is well. He can now do the reverse wingover and proceed along hoping he will be able to finish the pattern before running out of fuel.

RandySmith · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2007, 12:44:26 PM »

Quote from: Jim Thomerson on June 21, 2007, 12:38:22 PM

In Intermediate the official flight starts when you come out of the reverse wingover upside down. He was simply flying some maneuvers to see if all is well. He can now do the reverse wingover and proceed along hoping he will be able to finish the pattern before running out of fuel.

....LOL if he remembers and figures out the flight is not yet official.

Randy

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2007, 12:58:12 PM »

Or after the flight, and his pit man retrieves his airplane,, informs him of the misdead, he tells the judges that he didnt like his engine run so it was an attempt, one of three for two officials right?

Kim Mortimore · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2007, 01:43:28 PM »

Quote from: Jim Thomerson on June 21, 2007, 12:38:22 PM

In Intermediate the official flight starts when you come out of the reverse wingover upside down. He was simply flying some maneuvers to see if all is well. He can now do the reverse wingover and proceed along hoping he will be able to finish the pattern before running out of fuel.

Quote from: RandySmith on June 21, 2007, 12:44:26 PM

....LOL if he remembers and figures out the flight is not yet official.

Randy

And the winner is rules expert Jim Thomerson. Good point by Randy--the guy is a newbie and most likely in for a surprise after the flight when he discovers that the judges have given him--> points: 0, attempts: 1 Another lesson learned in the School of Hard Knocks.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2007, 03:09:30 PM »

Happened at Brodak, Int flyer forgot the reverse wing over and went straight into loops. Finished the flight thinking he completely blew it until we told him it was simply an attempt. Can't remember who it was but he was pretty happy.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2007, 11:46:27 PM »

A certain Top 20 flier did this at a contest last summer while I was judging. We didn't score his flight, charged him with an attempt. Same contest, a past World Champs competitor burned two attempts for his first round flight, then buzzed the prop on takeoff for his 2nd round flight. Wisely, he waved off the flight (throat slashing motion), then realized it was his last attempt, and proceeded to fly the pattern. We were not inclined to notice. I don't know of any hand signal that rescinds a throat slashing signal, but maybe that famous Italian one?

Steve

Kim Mortimore · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2007, 04:55:29 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on June 21, 2007, 11:46:27 PM

A certain Top 20 flier did this at a contest last summer while I was judging. We didn't score his flight, charged him with an attempt. Same contest, a past World Champs competitor burned two attempts for his first round flight, then buzzed the prop on takeoff for his 2nd round flight. Wisely, he waved off the flight (throat slashing motion), then realized it was his last attempt, and proceeded to fly the pattern. We were not inclined to notice. I don't know of any hand signal that rescinds a throat slashing signal, but maybe that famous Italian one? Steve

Steve,
Not inclined to notice the throad slash or the pattern that followed?

Kim

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2007, 08:42:31 PM »

Hmmmm,

One more time can someone explain to me why it was such a GREAT idea to eliminate hand signal signifying intention to fly?

signed, clueless...

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2007, 10:48:57 PM »

"Steve,
Not inclined to notice the throad slash or the pattern that followed?

Kim"

We noticed the buzz job on takeoff, and we noticed the throat slashing hand signal. We watched the rest of the program and enjoyed it, sans pressure of assigning scores to the tricks.

Steve

john e. holliday · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:07:52 PM »

The wingover thing has happened today while judging ADV at SIG. Randi and I watched until the person landed. Then we informed he had taken an attempt and we were moving him down two positions in the order. Must have had at least 6 different ADV fliers make big mistakes that made for zero pattern points and a lot of 0's during the pattern. Results should be posted somewhere. DOC Holliday