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Offline Bob Hunt

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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2010, 11:24:57 AM »
Hi Matt:

Well, actually Vic is into a lot of different things these days. He's an avid water skier and he also loves RC Slope Soaring off the cliffs of the north shore of Long Island. He does do some jets and a lot of scale in general. I wouldn't characterize that as "too bad," as he seems to be enjoying the hobby/sport in his own way, and that's good!

Yes, by running at the ship I was able to increase the radius of the loops and when I ran back so that there was tension on the "line" the ship would turn tighter and decrease the radius. Things sort of go into "slow motion" when a disaster is about to occur. I can still see that ship glancing off the tarmac in Muncie, but it hit just a bit too hard and the wing broke. The airplane stayed in one piece, but there was enough internal damage that I wrote it off. Saved the engine however...

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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2010, 01:22:53 PM »
Hi Matt:

Well, actually Vic is into a lot of different things these days. He's an avid water skier and he also loves RC Slope Soaring off the cliffs of the north shore of Long Island. He does do some jets and a lot of scale in general. I wouldn't characterize that as "too bad," as he seems to be enjoying the hobby/sport in his own way, and that's good!

Yes, by running at the ship I was able to increase the radius of the loops and when I ran back so that there was tension on the "line" the ship would turn tighter and decrease the radius. Things sort of go into "slow motion" when a disaster is about to occur. I can still see that ship glancing off the tarmac in Muncie, but it hit just a bit too hard and the wing broke. The airplane stayed in one piece, but there was enough internal damage that I wrote it off. Saved the engine however...

Bob   

Hi Bob,

I didn't know Vic was getting into slope soaring.  Last time we were at Flushing, which was in 2008, where we picked up his F-14 Tomcat II, he had I believe 3 jets in the shop if I remember right.  I also saw he had a P-38 still in bare bones that was HUGE hanging up.  Maybe he got around to finishing that.

And I definitely know what you mean how when disaster comes everything goes into slow motion.  I can still even feel how the plane went limp in the pull on the outside loop and just watching the plane head straight for the ground, but it managed to at least come in upside down.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread guys.
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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2010, 02:22:49 PM »
Hi Matt:

Vic has been into slope soaring for many years; he's not just getting into it. I went over to visit him more than 10 years ago and we went out soaring in a horseshoe shaped cove on the north shore of Long Island. The lift was so great I think we could have slope soared his Lincoln!

Vic is so talented in so many disciplines that I'm amazed that he has time to practice all of them. He was a fantastic CL Stunt pilot back in the early 1970s. He won virtually every contest on the local level the year he flew his Crusader. I'm amazed that he didn't qualify at the Nats with that ship.

Vic has been a great friend to me over the years and wrote several articles for FM when I was the editor there. He bailed me out by supplying text and photos many times when I was in a pinch to fill some pages in the boating section. We traveled a bit together back then and we always had a great time. He's a very funny guy! Kept me laughing for hours...

Bob

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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2010, 03:51:02 PM »
Hi Matt:

Vic has been into slope soaring for many years; he's not just getting into it. I went over to visit him more than 10 years ago and we went out soaring in a horseshoe shaped cove on the north shore of Long Island. The lift was so great I think we could have slope soared his Lincoln!

Vic is so talented in so many disciplines that I'm amazed that he has time to practice all of them. He was a fantastic CL Stunt pilot back in the early 1970s. He won virtually every contest on the local level the year he flew his Crusader. I'm amazed that he didn't qualify at the Nats with that ship.

Vic has been a great friend to me over the years and wrote several articles for FM when I was the editor there. He bailed me out by supplying text and photos many times when I was in a pinch to fill some pages in the boating section. We traveled a bit together back then and we always had a great time. He's a very funny guy! Kept me laughing for hours...

Bob

Hi Bob,

I agree, I've seen Vic fly on video, and with his SV-11's that he had, he could really fly that thing really well!  I had no idea Vic was actually that good back in the day.

We have a couple videos of you flying the red white and blue saturn at the 96 Nationals, that I want to see if I can maybe put on Youtube, or possibly on Stunthangar if I can.

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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2010, 05:00:47 PM »
Wow! I had no idea that any video of the Red, White and Blue Saturn even existed! That was a very short lived airplane.

Here's the story:

The week of the control line portion of the 1996 Nats at Muncie was the week before I was scheduled to leave for Sweden as a member of the 1996 FAI team. I had pretty much decided to forego the Nats and just go to the worlds with my new R.W & B Saturn, but was informed that I'd been inducted into the PAMPA Hall of Fame and that they wanted to present me with the plaque that comes with that honor at the PAMPA banquet after the Nats.

Well, I figured that if I was going to be there anyway, I might as well enter and fly. Hey, it would be a great warm-up for the Worlds! So, that's what I did. The R.W & B. Saturn was not anywhere near as good a model as was the old "Bronze Dog" Saturn, but it was starting to show promise and I wanted to use it at the Worlds if I could.

Everything went well for the first qualifying round and I was in a close second on my circle after a so-so flight. I was sure I could improve on that and so my son, Robby and I went out after lunch that day and started really working on the new ship to get it into better trim. And, we were succeeding! I flew several flights that afternoon in a fairly stiff wind, trimming a bit after each. The ship was really starting to respond and I felt as though I had a real chance to make some noise at that meet.

Well, I didn't make any noise, but my airplane sure did... On its last flight (Which was also going to be my last flight of that day) the ship was going up in the inside portion of a Vertical Eight. Just before the transition point the "up" leadout broke! The ship started doing very tight outside loops and with each one it was heading down a bit towards the ground. I tried (as explained before in this thread) to run towards the model as it came through the bottom of each loop in hopes of getting it to hit the ground in a glancing blow. It did, but it hit just a bit too hard and the wing spar was broken.

I was disappointed, sure, but I was also a bit relieved. What if this had happened just after I had arrived in Sweden? No biggie, I thought, I’d just get the trusty and well proven “Bronze Dog” off the wall, practice up a bit and go to Sweden and kick butt!

As all well laid plans go, this one went kaflooie too. I got home and started flying the bronze Saturn. I put in a few flights and everything seemed to be working extra well. On the last flight I was recovering into Inverted Flight after the Inside Loops, and the plane just kept going down. I gave full down in an effort to save it, but it went in hard and broke to pieces! The post mortem revealed that the pushrod to the elevator had broken just behind the flap horn. It wasn’t a ragged break, but rather a clean one. It looked like someone had used a cutoff disk and cut the wire straight through. It was an occlusion in the wire and it’s a wonder that it lasted all the years that it did!

So, there I was with two wrecked ships and no back-up plane to go to that would be competitive at the world level. The thought to borrow back one of the several ships that I had sold to friends in years past went through my mind, but I quickly dismissed that thought. As a team member it is imperative that you do what is best for the team. Calling the Alternate was what was best for the team on that occasion. And, that’s what I did. I called Billy Werwage and told him that he was going. Remember, this was just two days before I was scheduled to leave!

Billy said that he could be ready with his Geo-XL, and that he already had his passport. The only problem was that his car was in the shop getting repaired and he had no way to get from Berea, Ohio to Kennedy Airport! Team, team, team: I hopped in my trusty Astro Van and drove the seven hours out to Cleveland to get him. I got him back to Stockertown and gave him my uniform (You just had to see him in that… It just hung on him.), and my airline ticket. The next day I drove him to the airport (another 3 hours further east…), and saw him off. Trust me, that’s when it hit me that I had blown a chance to fly again at the World Championships. Losing the two planes was bad enough, but missing that trip was excruciating.    

It turns out that .025 solid music wire is just not the ticket for leadouts! I had used them for years, but around that time the most popular wire supplier for modeling (Ahem) was experiencing a bad run of wire. I found out that many others’ planes had experienced the same fate as mine. I now use Mil-Spec braided leadouts exclusively on my competition ships (Thank you Tom Morris…).

Perhaps it’s time for another Saturn… But this time it will be electric powered!

Later – Bob Hunt
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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2010, 05:09:06 PM »
Wow! I had no idea that any video of the Red, White and Blue Saturn even existed! That was a very short lived airplane.


We have 2 full flights of the red white and blue saturn, and one from the outside loops on to the landing.  We also have just before one of your flights Ted Fancher flying his Trivial Pursuit, and we also got Billy flying (i think 3 or 4 or 5) flights with his GeoXL, and one and a half of Windy flying, one of which was during top 5 day.

I'll try what I can to maybe make you a copy of it, and maybe get it on the computer, or send you a copy (grandpa went to the 96 NATS, and came in 18th in advanced).
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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2010, 05:21:08 PM »
Like dad said I remember being over there with you and Robby and it was getting late and then that happened.  I was sad to! Having been with you guys all week and everything.
That was the night before top 20 wasn't it?
Oh well like you said at least it didn't happen in Sweden.

It is funny to watch "The Man and His Museum" and Billy say "A lot of pushrods and leadouts are going to have to break before I fly this one again".

Another note I also remember Billy almost winning that year so I am sure he was more than ready!

Aaron

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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2010, 05:53:47 AM »
Some how I missed that story Bobby.  I do remember you having to relinquish the team spot.  Better luck next time. H^^
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Re: Saturn & Europa, Bob Hunt designs
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2010, 06:30:29 AM »
Hi Aaron and Doc:

Aaron: I'm pretty sure that was after the first round of qualifying. I could be wrong...

Doc: Thanks; it is frustrating to make the team (The hard part) and then not be able to go to the World Championships. You only get so many shots at that in a lifetime and to waste one was a bitter pill to swallow. And, I had lots of time to reflect on it while driving out to Ohio to pick up Billy. Actually, after he returned to Kennedy Airport, I picked him up and he stayed overnight at our house and then Robby drove him back to Ohio.  

Losing two models in one week -- both to broken wire -- really affected me. I was scared to build a new model because of the wire. I didn't want to put in all that work and have a piece of crappy wire break and destroy it. I didn't build for a couple of years after that. The next ships that I built were the Caprice I've been using for 9 or so years at VSC and the Genesis Extreme. Those were built using carbon pushrods and ball link systems; I eliminated the possibility of bad wire taking one out. I've had no problems with the ball likes other than a tendency for the ones in the Caprice to drag just a tiny bit on cold mornings in Tucson. I just leave the model in Warren Tiahrt's van with the heat on until its time to pull test and fly and everything has been fine. It's funny that the ball links in the Genesis Extreme don't have any tendency to do that in cold weather...

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