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Dirty Dan is a bad example
« on: January 27, 2009, 05:37:51 PM »
To prove my point, last summer, Dan debuted his new, really trick profile with high tech FP 20 and tuned pipe. We were all distinctly impressed. Really a marvel of high tech wizardry. As Dan flew it at McMinnville, we all oooooooohed and ahhhhhhed as he put the little dynamo through the pattern in pretty strong winds.

So, this fall, my flying buddies have been pressuring me to build a plane for profile this year. What did I turn to but The Dirt's example. I mean, what else could I do? So, I'm well into the new profile beast. Sort of a scaled up version of Dan's high tech beauty with a twist. Yea, there's a definite twist. Imagine Dan's really slick piece, throw into a pot with a Ringmaster and Brett Buck's Infinity and, well, it's really not like that at all, I guess. But it will be interesting anyway.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 05:41:32 PM »
OK Randy.... show us a picture!!!!!



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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 05:45:38 PM »
Ok so now heres another thing poor Dirt gets blamed for! you merciless person you,, grin
having seen Dans little whimpact perform, yeah its pretty interesting.
BUT, I mean really Randy, you build all these cutting edge cool things, and now a rather sedentary looking profile,, whilst Pat and I go out on a limb building something really out there,, ( well for Pat it is anyway,, everything I build is out there and new to me!) with our cool profiles, oh well, what can a guy do,,, sigh,,
looking forward to seeing just how "simple" this one ends up.  LL~ y1
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 05:47:58 PM »
Rooty,

Tried to take some tonight, but my camera's gone wonky. I imagine it's the batteries. I tried another set, but they were one's I'd had out in the shop for quite awhile and are suspect. I'll pick up some more tomorrow and take some pics. Meanwhile, this is the only one that came out. The rest (6 or 8 pictures) were corrupted.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 05:49:44 PM »
Mark,

As you can see, it's very simple. But it will certainly have a large dose of cool.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 07:18:06 PM »
An I-Beam Ringmaster ??? ~>
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 07:29:28 PM »
Richard,

Uh, not really. Well, sort of in a weird sort of way.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 07:41:25 PM »
    HB~> Impactmaster? Ringpact?  LL~

I'm sure this ones gonna be interesting! Looking forward to the pixs... 
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 07:47:56 PM »
More like a RingMonster.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 08:28:09 PM »
I felt the pressure so I have one on the burner too.  It will be more KISS es though.

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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 04:36:21 PM »
Aha! Trying to talk behind my back again, are we?

As mentioned on SSW I have recently added a cheek cowl to the Wimpact. This stiffened the front end quite a lot, although it did not appear to need it. However, it looks a bit better with the cheek cowl, in large part due to eliminating all those through-holes I had in the nose of the model, this the better to try 4 different tanks, 3 of which could be mounted either to the left or right side of the fuselage.

Alan Resinger has helped a lot in this regard as I have been utilizing a part-time service he offers in laying out templates for hard tanks. I give him guidelines on the dimensions, specify the amount of fuel the tank is expected to hold and very quickly indeed I am supplied CAD-generated templates. A shot of 3M 77 Spray Adhesive on the tin sheet, another on the back of the template(s), snip-snip-snip, a few bends made and I am good to go with the soldering iron.

Thanks to Alan's help I am fabricating my best tanks ever. He even offers the option of normal end caps or inserts, the latter making a much neater tank.

So I have converted back to hard tanks, have probably built 6 or 7 of the things, all destined to be mounted on the right side of the fuselage.

But no cut-off loop, which is the sole reason I began fiddling with hard tanks again...

Incidentally--and I know this will sound weird--but the very best of the plastic tanks used on the Wimpact was the Hayes 4-ounce Slimline tank, mounted to the left. There was a quite mild inconvenience in filling the tank; but it really worked quite well.

Since the Fall Follies I have assembled and fitted a fresh-parts O.S. 25FP. While this engine has been flown, I am still fiddling with venturi sizes and props. To date this has been a little funny as APC 10-3s, both stock and pitched up slightly, APC 10-4s stock and pitched down a bit work pretty well. But that clunky ol' APC 9-4 more than holds its own--and may even prove to be the best.

All of that aside, once I finished The World's Best Flite Streak (Classic entry as well a back-up for Profile Stunt) I considered building another Wimpact, albeit a larger piece and with a Magnum 28 for power. I even bought a 28, that's how close I was to calling up the cutter (Bob Mellen) and getting wing cores.

In an amazing coincidence I decided to instead build another Impact and a week later Derek called with the same intentions. So he has done some of the heavy lifting--Impact airfoil plotted and to the cutter--while I do minor stuff like tanks (expect an e-mail soon, Alan) and other things.

Actually, the only real important thing we have done is to each convince the other not to "improve" the design. And so far we are sticking to it.

Sorry, went off on a tangent. I am pretty interested in what Randy is doing and would certainly like to hear some of the specifications as I have some thoughts on this sort of project.

Dan




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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 05:43:58 PM »
More like a RingMonster.

  HMMMMM Ringmonster huh --- According to new found info and the like to qualify for that title a Ringmaster varient must be 650 sq. in. or more. Randy if you fit please let me know OK. I want to add that one to my list. Right now there are 13 that qualify. Their combined wing area is 18,611 sq. in. No typo, they are either being built or completed. One is just comming on the drawing board. If you set them in a continuous line tip to tip they will cover approximately 89 feet. The Brotherhood has been extremely busy.  LL~ LL~ LL~

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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 05:59:51 PM »
Dan,

Specs are:

Wing 620 square inches (Sorry bill)
Moments of an Impact.
A very strangely constructed nose.
Power will be an OS 40VF on pipe.

Bill,

I can't get on the BOTR, so it any posting will have to be here (I guess I'm not of appropriate moral character -  ;D  ).

Here are a couple of pics at this stage.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 06:17:25 PM »
 You are darn close there pal, keep the name, you earned it. I am sending you a PM.

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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 06:24:58 PM »
Very cool Randy! The BHOTR would be honored to have you! Please join/rejoin www.brotherhoodofthering.info

Looking forward to more!
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 08:10:13 PM »
Bill, Richard,
I know this character, not sure the brotherhood would ever be the same!
oh ,, uh ,, hi Randy,, just uh kidding?

I wonder if this is what everybody was talkign about when they grumbled about opening up the Profile class, soon the hi tech monster motored beasts would come out of the woodwork and dominate the class right!!!!?
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So Randy will it be ready for the REgionals,, I am desperatly hoping to get mind done ,, well after the Avenger anyway
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2009, 08:52:03 PM »

I wonder if this is what everybody was talkign about when they grumbled about opening up the Profile class, soon the hi tech monster motored beasts would come out of the woodwork and dominate the class right!!!!?
 n~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ y1
So Randy will it be ready for the REgionals,, I am desperatly hoping to get mind done ,, well after the Avenger anyway

  We'll see how much the "mountain motor" helps, my buddies and I are planning on doing Profile at the NWR with about half that much displacement.

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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2009, 09:11:53 PM »
See, once you start messing around, the big boys come out to play. I'm sure Brett will kick our butts with a real Ringmaster.

The motor isn't huge or anything. It's just consistent. I like that. It will have Monokote and some sort of paint on the fuselage and be done in a month or so, depending on how much time I get to work on it.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2009, 09:21:59 PM »
See, once you start messing around, the big boys come out to play. I'm sure Brett will kick our butts with a real Ringmaster.

   Uh, no, although I know the tricks to make Ringmasters go as well as they can, you probably wouldn't have to worry too much. I actually just want something to do on Saturday.

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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 02:35:52 PM »
Brett,

Well, I'm sure The Dirt would give you plans for the Wimpact. OS20FP on a pipe. WooHoo!. Very cool, actually.
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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 02:48:50 PM »
   Uh, no, although I know the tricks to make Ringmasters go as well as they can, you probably wouldn't have to worry too much. I actually just want something to do on Saturday.

     Brett

Really now? If I can schedule dirt bike- and quad-related activities for a date other than Memorial Day weekend this year I'll be at the NW Regionals, unlike what has transpired the last two or three years.

I'm thinking it would in my very own, very selfish self-interests to bring not only the Wimpact--now powered by a motor more than half the size of Randy's, alas and alack--and lots of extra fuel. I can not only give you a free ride on the Wimpact but Ted and The World Champion as well.

In exchange I promise to make every single trim change which is suggested to me as being appropriate.

Seriously, should your Profile Stunt ambitions collide with a less than ideal work schedule it won't be a problem.

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Re: Dirty Dan is a bad example
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2009, 07:07:14 PM »
Really now? If I can schedule dirt bike- and quad-related activities for a date other than Memorial Day weekend this year I'll be at the NW Regionals, unlike what has transpired the last two or three years.

I'm thinking it would in my very own, very selfish self-interests to bring not only the Wimpact--now powered by a motor more than half the size of Randy's, alas and alack--and lots of extra fuel. I can not only give you a free ride on the Wimpact but Ted and The World Champion as well.

In exchange I promise to make every single trim change which is suggested to me as being appropriate.

Seriously, should your Profile Stunt ambitions collide with a less than ideal work schedule it won't be a problem.


   Oh, it's already a less-than-ideal work schedule. About the only time I haven't been at either work, or asleep, was my little escape to Tucson last weekend. I'm paying for it now.

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