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Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« on: November 08, 2016, 05:12:16 PM »
The EAA's 1929 Ford Tri Motor came to Fresno last weekend, and I got a chance to take a ride. Absolute blast! If it comes to your area, I highly recommend it. 

Check the schedule here: http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/flight-experiences/fly-the-ford-eaa-ford-tri-motor-airplane-tour/ford-tri-motor-tour-stops

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2016, 05:40:43 PM »
Hi Brian, I don't know if it was the same plane, but there was a Tri Motor giving rides ($70) at the Salem airport while we were having our contest. I'm sure that I saw it go around for at least ten flights. What a hoot. Shoulda, coulda, woulda....., maybe next year?
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2016, 07:16:21 PM »
Hi Brian, I don't know if it was the same plane, but there was a Tri Motor giving rides ($70) at the Salem airport while we were having our contest. I'm sure that I saw it go around for at least ten flights. What a hoot. Shoulda, coulda, woulda....., maybe next year?

Yeah, and the weather was crappy, so they didn't climb over maybe 1k feet. So it wouldn't be a long fall! I'd bet those things would glide very poorly. Lucky that they have lots of spare engines, but I'd guess that with only two running would still be pretty dicey.   D>K Steve 
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2016, 07:21:11 PM »
To show you how long ago it has been, when the Tri Motor was at the down town KC Mo airport we got rides for $10.00 apiece.  It was take off after the taxi out to main runway.  Flight out and around down town over Independence and North KC then approach to runway from the north.  With that main gear hanging down it looked like he was going to land on the rail road cars.  Finally touch down and seemed forever before main gear collapsed and tail wheel set down.  I had not flown before and on an antique plane with just a small lap belt and across from the door, I guess I left finger prints in my seat and the back of the seat in front of me.  It was an experience I will never forget.
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2016, 07:40:51 PM »
I was about 2 years old in 1939.  A fellow that was in my Father's squadron in WW1 in France was touring upstate NY for a new airlines that featured the  ford Tri-motor plane.  He contacted my father and we went to the local airstrip in Seneca Falls, NY.  This is the earlier memory I have been able to recall.  We flew for a long time. My sister sat across from me and a nice lady (Stew?) gave me an orange to eat.  Then the co-pilot came and got me to come forward. I actually sat on my dad's lap while he piloted the plane. I was so thrilled to be up in the air I could not sleep that night.  Over the years my Dad and I replayed that memory. It was a special time and place, and when ever I  tour the museum in McMinneville, OR.  I often stop at their Tri-motor and say a prayer of thanks that I had such a great experience with my Father.
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2016, 07:43:45 PM »
My family on my mom's side live in the Port Clinton area, Oak Harbor. Mom used to tell me about flying the Tri Motor to South Bass Island. Island Airlines operated it, if I remember correctly.
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2016, 09:02:20 PM »
I am 59 yrs old and my first airplane ride was in a Ford TriMotor. It was a long time ago.

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 05:16:25 AM »
Other than fly-overs by WW 2 Warbirds , having experienced one by this aircraft is nearly as  memorable.

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 09:50:32 AM »
$70 for a ride in a Tri-Motor isn't bad, considering the same in a P-51 goes for $500+
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 10:08:28 AM »
That doesn't look like the same one out of Oshkosh I flew in 3 years ago.  I paid $120 to get the co-pilot seat and got to 'drive' for about 10 minutes.  Collen Sucey even logged the time in my log book as SIC.

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2016, 05:15:29 PM »
I took a ride about 4 years ago in Erie,  it was a fantastic experience.........
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2016, 06:40:35 PM »
That doesn't look like the same one out of Oshkosh I flew in 3 years ago.  I paid $120 to get the co-pilot seat and got to 'drive' for about 10 minutes.  Collen Sucey even logged the time in my log book as SIC.

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     I first took a ride in it at Oshkosh with Sean Elliot at the controls during my first trip to work the KidVenture circles. Several years later, I got a call from Sean asking if I could help out with working the consession when the Ford visited St. Louis a few years back. It was in town for almost a week and I was there every day helping out and got to go whenever there was an empty seat. Collen Sucey was the pilot one really nice evening and asked me if I wanted a right seat ride, since it was empty on that trip, so I said "SURE!" I think if there are paying customers on board, the guy in the right seat is supposed to have at least a pilots license, but I'm not sure of that. There were abunch or people paying the extra bucks for the right seat and some stick time to get their log books signed off. We were out over the St. Charles area on a big loop around the airport on a perfectly smooth evening just before sunset. Collen and I bantered back and forth about one thing or another as I noted points of interest and he said something about my pilots license, and a I said that I didn't have one! He looked at me with really big eyes and said, "But you know so much about this airplane and aircrsaft operations I just thought you had one!"  I told him not to worry, that if he got sick or was stricken by some ailment, I think I could have gotten us down OK! If the name Jerry Flaugher sounds familiar to anyone, he's another EAA pilot that flies the Ford. Jerry used to be an active C/L stunt flyer, and had a model called The Midas published in M.A.N. I think. I got to work with Jerry for several days also. One one morning flight, we had just taken off and was climbing out to the south of Spirit Of St. Louis airport for the trip, and I noticed Jerry was REALLY cranking on the elevator trim wheel, and was generally really busy in the cock pit.  I don't think he had anyone in the right seat for that flight. I was in a front, right side passenger seat and he turned around and yelled for me to come up to the flight deck. He pointed up to the ceiling of the cabin, and the top access hatch was flopping open and shut! Jerry had fuels the airplane that morning and you have to go through that hatch to get out on the wing to fuel it, and I guess he didn't get it latched correctly. He yelled to me to see if I could catch it and get it latched. It was obvious that this was causing his trim issues. At that point in the aisle, it's a good step up into the cockpit, and the ceiling was above my reach when it was flopping around, and I had to time a jump up to grab the handle, then work the odd ball latching mechanism to secure it. Kind of fun at the time! They had a slight mag issue with the center engine and a crew flew down from Oshkosh with a new one, so I hung around to watch them change out the magneto. One of the crew with the airplane was an old guy they called Balky. Balky was from Germany and as a boy grew up in the area where the Zepplin airship sheds were and lived just down the road from them! Really neat old guy. He had to leave about half way through the stay so he taught me start up routine for the Ford and how to handle the extinguisher bottle if a fire broke out on start up. I was a very memorable 5 or 6 days! 
      And this particular airplane has an interesting history, that is explained on a hand out they would give each rider. It was rolled up in a ball during a big storm at Hales Corner, WI, I think it was, was purchased from the insurance company. It was rebuilt by a prominent Tri-Motor restoartion expert, whose name escapes me right now. They had to have a new batch of corrugated skin made, and the original dies for the skin was located in Arizona some place and given to Alcoa Aluminum to make the skins. Several months later they got teh skins and dies back with a request from Alcoa to never ask them to do it again! The airplane was finished with uprated engines from what was standard that almost double the horsepower! On take offs, I liked to watch the oleo struts and the wheels. With that much horsepower and that thick wing, the wheels only turn one or two times before there is enough lift to stretch the oleo struts till the limiting cables are tight! The airplane is one of the highest insured airplanes in the EAA inventory. It was painted in standard silver and blue Ford livery, but was repainted to it's current scheme for an appearance in the movie Public Enemy, and Sean Elliot was the chief pilot for that job. I was also in an old movie some may remember. The comedy "Family Jewels" with Jerry Lewis was about a little girl who had to pick which uncle she would live with after he parents were killed in an accident. Jerry Lewis played six or seven characters in the movie including one who was an uncle who was an airline pilot. The little girl was really excited to be meeting her uncle for the first time at the airport and was admiring a gleaming 707 that she thought he flew! Imagine her surprise when her guardian told her, no, her Uncle was flying the plane just coming into view, and it was the Ford! I need to find a copy of that movie!
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2016, 06:53:39 PM »
We used to enjoy a trimotor replica flying over SoCal. At a local airshow, the crew failed to unlock the tail surfaces.
Read the report and see the video at: https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20040925-0

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2016, 09:14:41 PM »
We used to enjoy a trimotor replica flying over SoCal. At a local airshow, the crew failed to unlock the tail surfaces.
Read the report and see the video at: https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20040925-0

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   There is a St. Louis connection to that airplane also! Right Chris McMillin? It was owned by a TWA pilot, Bud Fuchs, who also owned a Navy N-3-N, and a Beech Staggerwing. There was a straight tailed aerobatic Bonanza that he owned also. He used to operate out of the old Curtis-Wright hangers at Parks-Bisate airport over in Cahokia, IL. Chris used to fly for Bud on the side. I got a ride in the Staggerwing one 4th of July, and Chris gave me a ride in the N-3-N. Bud used to take them to the sky dive convention in Quincy, IL to drop skydivers, and Chris flew the N-3-N to do the inverted parachute drops. Bud sold those two to finance the Bushmaster. Bud was, as they say, frugal? And he would try to find guys to fly the plane for him on the cheap. Before the SoCal crash, he had some one ferrying the airplane for him going from SoCal to some point east, across the Rockies. Well the pilot made a final fuel stop before the leg across New Mexico, and he did not know how to fly the plane cross country and how to set his props and mixtures for max cruise. He ran out of gas over Tucumcari, NM and had to a dead stick landing on I-40! I think that incident even made our local news programs here. I guess it was just a matter of time before some one bought the farm in it.
   Am I remembering this correctly Chris?
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2016, 10:58:30 PM »
Pretty close,
The Bushmaster N750RW was a pretty cool airplane, three R-985 Wasp Jr.s with Harzell three bladed fast feathering props made it an interesting performer with some odd handling characteristics.
On the incident Dan relates, here's how I remember it going down from my friends firsthand description. The crew was an airline pilot (my friend) that actually part-owned the airplane in partnership, a mechanic/pilot that had a rating and had flown the airplane in Alaska according to the previous owner, and another pilot that was acting as co-pilot for them. The first leg or two went well traveling hours and hours from SoCal to Albuquerque where it was again refueled. The next leg the mechanic/pilot in Alaska guy flew the airplane and the airline pilot went to the back to get a nap. Next thing he knows the engines are quitting and the pilots are screaming and crying for him to save them!
Somehow an exchange of seats took place, the airline pilot got into the left seat and executed a dead stick onto the I-40 median where it is pretty flat and wide though he flew over some signs and a dirt crossover or two to find a good spot which coincided with the failure of the third engine to fuel exhaustion. All was well, down safe with no damage where the debrief took place and the mechanic/pilot said he would never lean a supercharged engine for fear of detonation!
The Pratt&Whitney R-985 is a direct drive engine with a supercharger with a 10:1 ration blower and is a pretty easy to operate motor with a huge range of power settings and envelope of cruise endurance. At takeoff it burns around 40GPH and at cruise about 18-20 on the Bushmaster (it goes 100 kts), but this is predicated on the pilot's knowing that it does this with the throttle pulled back to 18 in hg, the rpm set to 1800 rpm with the propeller control and the engines fuel mixture leaned to peak and then enriched or for those with a deft feel and technique lean of peak. This man not only knew none of this, he couldn't be convinced he was wrong!
THis man's level of ignorance assured in the mind of the part owner/airline pilot, he wisely elected to not allow this guy to fly it again and once the rescue refueling was accomplished in the Interstate's median the airplane was flown by poor, tired Craig (he'd flown a 777 international flight prior to the two legs in the Bushmaster) from the forced landing site, to Tucumcari for gas, and the rest of the way to St. Louis! He unfortunately still owned the airplane in partnership when it crashed in Fullerton as well and I'm sure isn't too keen on more airplane partnerships! Other pilots aren't working out for him!
In the case of the accident in Fullerton, the PIC was rated in the airplane but was reported to lack competence by some I've spoken to, and the description of the flight as well as a pretty revealing video tape showed some basic knowledge problems again. One of those interesting handling characteristics I mentioned was that if the airplane got into a swerve on the early take off run it could not be stopped with rudder so pulling the power back and stopping with brakes was essential. This could be determined at very low speed. It had really good brakes. My technique was to start the takeoff roll with assymetric power to the crosswind or the left engine up first in calm conditions, this kept it nice and straight. As soon as sensing a swerve, the pilot should've closed the throttles and stopped. Trying again and finding the same problem he should've taxiied back and made an inspection. I was told there was no usable right rudder travel available on the accident flight.
Thanks for the report Norm, I'll read it sometime.
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2016, 08:04:44 AM »
The City of Port Clinton was in Youngstown on May 30, 2015.

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2016, 08:34:19 AM »
More on the Youngstown ride
Tom Metz, owner of the Boardman Hobby Center (6820 Market Street, Youngstown, OH), bought the entire plane for one flight.  Tom invited some of his oldest customers, I've been out to Boardman since the early 60's.  Tom is standing on the right in the group shot, I'm in the orange.  Tom is also in the right seat in the cockpit. The plane was immaculate, the interior looks like a mansion)

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2016, 08:44:25 AM »
Some shots in Tom's Hobby Shop.  Tom is in the yellow shirt, Tim Dannels (Engine collectors Journal editor) in blue, and David Axler (MECA Canadian regional director) in brown).

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2016, 11:51:22 AM »
I wish I had photos of my flight in a Ford Tri motor
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2016, 01:50:45 PM »
The Pratt&Whitney R-985 is a direct drive engine with a supercharger with a 10:1 ration blower and is a pretty easy to operate motor with a huge range of power settings and envelope of cruise endurance.   

I've worked on a number of older warbirds and found that many have had superchargers disabled because of the lack of available high octane fuel. It can be found but is extremely expensive.
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2016, 04:17:14 PM »
I didn't keep count, but I must have given hundreds of rides in my FW44.  You can easily see why I'm smiling!

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2016, 07:56:14 AM »
Can somebody help me with a very faint memory?  I'm sure it wasn't a Tri-Motor, but perhaps its predecessor, the single-engine Stout 2AT(?) - I once saw a very old film clip of a 1920s all-metal high-wing monoplane performing an incredibly tight loop from an altitude of about ten feet!  Honestly, size for size it was about as tight as I can loop my PAW-engined Peacemaker.  Ring any bells?
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2016, 10:06:06 AM »
In days of old, many members of the Beaver County Model Airplane Club would caravan up to the Toledo RC show, then held in March.  After the show in 1970, we stopped by the Port Clinton airport and chartered one of the Island Airways Tri Motors for a ride around the Bass Islands.  Back then they were used as buses (and school buses) out to the Islands and back.  Not sure if the kid's dog had to pay or not.  And when was the last time you saw two Tri Motors lined up at the gate?  Amazing in 1970!

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2016, 05:59:04 PM »
Can somebody help me with a very faint memory?  I'm sure it wasn't a Tri-Motor, but perhaps its predecessor, the single-engine Stout 2AT(?) - I once saw a very old film clip of a 1920s all-metal high-wing monoplane performing an incredibly tight loop from an altitude of about ten feet!  Honestly, size for size it was about as tight as I can loop my PAW-engined Peacemaker.  Ring any bells?
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           That is a famous photo of a then prominent air show performer, who's name escapes me right now, that used to loop a TriMotor on take off, I believe. Sort of the Bob Hoover of his time! You could probably google it and find out who it was, but I have seen the photo in several books and such.
      In the lat 80's there was a guy who barnstormed one of the old Island Airways Fords in the St. Louis area operating out of Dauster Field/creve Coure Airport. The airport was quite small and out of the way at the time. I was out of work at the time and couldn't afford the 15 dollars for a ride, but took Sean over one Saturday morning kind of early and we got to look the airplane over and take some pictures with no one around. The owner came out with a step ladder and an oil can and pre flight lubricated all of the control hinges  He was really nice guy to talk to. The airplane still had the rainbow paint job on it!
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2016, 06:00:48 AM »
So it was a Tri-Motor!  Incredible - and it was an actual film I saw, not just a still photograph.  The Tri-Motor really must have been a terrific aircraft, and he must have been a terrific pilot.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2016, 09:19:54 PM »
Hi Bill,
Most warbirds were originally built to operate on 100 octane fuel.

The Pratt&Whitney 985 Wasp Jr, Wright 975 Whirlwind, etc were much earlier being the genesis of the radial engine period and were designed when 73 and 80 octane were 1930's normal and 100 octane was experimental. See references of the P&W Wasp Jr of 400 hp, 420 hp and then finally 450 hp but for 1 minute for take off only. On 100 octane the max continuous power setting on the 985 is the same as take off power, 36 in hg and 2300 rpm, 450 hp. The engines are low compression at around 6:1 and the blower is fixed gearing with a very nominal maximum manifold pressure and single speeds around 8:1 or 10:1 so the available maximum tapers off as one climbs.

Later, warbird types had higher max manifold pressure, two speed gearing, etc but were still designed around 100 octane. Later and the closing of the war 100/130 and higher were available. After WWII the warbirds like the P-51 and B-25 that were used well into the 1950's in the USAF had their power settings increased as fleet experience and 100/130 was readily available and airliner/transports like the DC-6/Convair 440/L-1049 had their engines optimized and even higher manifold pressures using 115/145 octane. The reason for the high octane was to prevent detonation, and keep cyl head temps down at high power cruise as these airplane's gross weights were increased.

Typically a Packard Merlin and a Wright R-2600 will be able to use normal takeoff, climb and cruise power setting with 100 LL avgas available today. When B-25s were just old airplanes, many were victim of sitting for long periods of time, and when they were operated in the 60's and 70's they were operated with non-detergent oil. Low altitude flying did not require using the high blower, and the clutches would coke up when not excercised. If this went for a long period it was found to be prudent to not shift the blower to high because of the hard deposits from the clutches would break loose and cause lubrication problems throughout the engine. Mustangs are so expensive and their overhaul periods are so frequent the blower shifting operation is frequent and there is very little chance of that happening. Besides typically the fighters are cruised in high blower in the high teens so they can fly fast to their best practical range.

The turbochargers, however, on P-38s, P-47's, B-17's and B-24's are the only type of supercharging I've ever heard of being disabled (besides high blower selection, but still fully operable because it is an internal assembly). This must be what you are referring to. The fuel isn't the real problem, the ability to maintain the high speed, 75 year old GE turbos with their huge turbine wheels and low tech, old fashioned bearing systems is, however.

Much like the idea that the Thunderbolt was a low altitude fighter/bomber by design (it was designed as a high speed, high altitude interceptor in which in was), the Airacobra was a tank buster (it's cannon is way too small to penetrate armor, it was a good low level dogfighter for the Russians), or whatever WWII BS myth someone is spouting, 100 LL avgas is okay for warbirds, airliners need a power reduction all within the charts in the operating manual, and high blower gear selection is sometimes blocked out by operators. Only Turbos have been deactivated because of the reliability of the turbo itself.

Only racers using 2x to 3x the take off manifold pressures need the 115/145 and 160/170 octane fuels available from VP Fuels at the races. It takes a lot of temperature to dissolve those high levels of lead into plasma and even the Packard Merlin would start to foul plugs and if let go longer start harmful lead deposits in the combustion chambers if it wasn't periodically run at full power for a period of time when using more than 100/130 fuel in the 1950's ANG period.

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I've worked on a number of older warbirds and found that many have had superchargers disabled because of the lack of available high octane fuel. It can be found but is extremely expensive.

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2016, 09:21:15 PM »
Can somebody help me with a very faint memory?  I'm sure it wasn't a Tri-Motor, but perhaps its predecessor, the single-engine Stout 2AT(?) - I once saw a very old film clip of a 1920s all-metal high-wing monoplane performing an incredibly tight loop from an altitude of about ten feet!  Honestly, size for size it was about as tight as I can loop my PAW-engined Peacemaker.  Ring any bells?
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           That is a famous photo of a then prominent air show performer, who's name escapes me right now, that used to loop a TriMotor on take off, I believe. Sort of the Bob Hoover of his time! You could probably google it and find out who it was, but I have seen the photo in several books and such.
      In the lat 80's there was a guy who barnstormed one of the old Island Airways Fords in the St. Louis area operating out of Dauster Field/creve Coure Airport. The airport was quite small and out of the way at the time. I was out of work at the time and couldn't afford the 15 dollars for a ride, but took Sean over one Saturday morning kind of early and we got to look the airplane over and take some pictures with no one around. The owner came out with a step ladder and an oil can and pre flight lubricated all of the control hinges  He was really nice guy to talk to. The airplane still had the rainbow paint job on it!
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Harold Johnson, Bob Hoover of the 30's.
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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2016, 07:59:18 AM »
The turbochargers, however, on P-38s, P-47's, B-17's and B-24's are the only type of supercharging I've ever heard of being disabled (besides high blower selection, but still fully operable because it is an internal assembly). This must be what you are referring to. The fuel isn't the real problem, the ability to maintain the high speed, 75 year old GE turbos with their huge turbine wheels and low tech, old fashioned bearing systems is, however.
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Thanks for the post, Chris! I'm sure that's it, that was a long time ago. I remember doing an engine change on a B-17 that came in to St. Pete / Clearwater airport. It was enroute to an airshow and lost an engine. We volunteered the hangar space and to do the engine swap for a chance just to crawl around the airplane. Another time, I was at an airshow and this older gentleman was working on #2 engine on a B17. I asked if he needed a hand. He was on a rickety old wooden ladder doing something to a lower cylinder. He looked at me and asked "what can you do?" so I told him I was an A&P, had my IA and had worked some round engines. So he said "Heck, get up here and change this cylinder. I'm getting too old for this". He was part of the original flight crew from WW2. What an honor!
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2016, 09:18:44 AM »
My daughter and fam flew in this one last spring.  It came into Gulfstream in Savannah and gave rides to employees.  They are contractors for Gulfstream jet.

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2016, 10:41:14 AM »
Neat Bill,
You sound like you're a curious guy ready for action. Remind me of Dan McEntee, he was my crew chief at Reno '99. Wish I'd had more money we'd be winning today!
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Thanks for the post, Chris! I'm sure that's it, that was a long time ago. I remember doing an engine change on a B-17 that came in to St. Pete / Clearwater airport. It was enroute to an airshow and lost an engine. We volunteered the hangar space and to do the engine swap for a chance just to crawl around the airplane. Another time, I was at an airshow and this older gentleman was working on #2 engine on a B17. I asked if he needed a hand. He was on a rickety old wooden ladder doing something to a lower cylinder. He looked at me and asked "what can you do?" so I told him I was an A&P, had my IA and had worked some round engines. So he said "Heck, get up here and change this cylinder. I'm getting too old for this". He was part of the original flight crew from WW2. What an honor!

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Re: Ride in a Ford Tri Motor
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2016, 06:21:31 PM »
I rode in one at Oshkosh back in 1976, cost 10 bucks. Richard

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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2016, 07:14:05 PM »
I used to take a flight on the EAA's tri-motor back when I attended Oshkosh. I was looking at some old photos and one is looking out at the right wing engine which happened to have a cowl. That one might have been the Bushmaster 1000. The best place to sit seemed to be the seat across the aisle from the door. It enabled you to shoot photos out either side since there wasn't a seat right next to the door. It's interesting to see how much smaller the Fly-In was at the time. The big red barn is now next to the crowded ultralight aircraft parking, vendor's booths, and runway area.


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