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Title: Real Dog fight - training?
Post by: Paul Taylor on April 06, 2017, 01:29:14 PM
I had to come down to LA - lower Alabama for family business. While sitting in the back of the house I heard the sound of a prop plane in a dive and the another. I ran out the back door and started looking up. I finally spotted two or three planes way up high. Could only pick them up when they turned at times.
We are real close to Pensacola. I could not make out the model of the plane. A lot of the trainers are white and orange. I think I saw a red and blue plane. And what looked like a silver one.
I remember reading about a place you could fly a mock up dog fight with a company.
Just wondering if anyone might know what I just witnessed. It was kind of cool.
Title: Re: Real Dog fight - training?
Post by: TigreST on April 06, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
Air Combat out on the left coast offer up that service.

http://aircombat.com/

Not sure of anything down  Alabama or Florida way.

The Navy do jet transition training with one of them tubro prop machines...Texan II, Tubro Mentor, Pilatus PC-something or other.  Maybe simply a training flight?

T.
Title: Re: Real Dog fight - training?
Post by: Paul Taylor on April 07, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
Yea that's what I thought.
It was neat just to hear. Was hard to see them and keep up.
Thanks for the reply.  H^^
Title: Re: Real Dog fight - training?
Post by: Fredvon4 on April 07, 2017, 04:11:18 PM
I am under Fort Hood Texas airspace and more to the point Grey Army Airfield that was once a AF SAC base with B-52s

Back when GWB as Pres he landed here occasionally usually preceded by fighter jets...they would occasionally do Max performance take offs we could see from our balcony

As one to the larger regional run ways, we get a constant flow of big cargo ( C5a and C-117) training missions and it is easy to see a neophyte pilot screw up an emergency approach or take off and the PIC / Instructor PIC take over and save the plane

Not so much any more, but years back I/we would see over head dog fights...but way too high to tell who was who
Title: Re: Real Dog fight - training?
Post by: phil c on April 08, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
There are a fair number of full scale dog-fighting schools around the US.  My old buddy Gil Reedy got to do it in T-6's with another pilot friend.  Great way to get air sick, according to him.  The T-6 has a habit of snap-rolling into the high wing when it's turned to hard.  Most of the action was simply an offset headon approach and then round and round tight turns until one or the other snapped out of it.  Then the other guy would go off a couple of miles and come back to have at it again.  The that outfit used lasers with targets on the plane(maybe more than one). and safety pilots in the back seat at all times.

Phil C
Title: Re: Real Dog fight - training?
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on April 08, 2017, 06:27:34 PM
Take cover!  Even a stray 50 cal. round from 10,000 ft. can still hurt.