World Champs

[john e. holliday]

Over on Stuka Stunt here is a thread/post of why no one wants to be main event director of the Worlds Champs.   I tried to copy it to post here, but I'm computer illiterate.

[Brett Buck]

Over on Stuka Stunt here is a thread/post of why no one wants to be main event director of the Worlds Champs.   I tried to copy it to post here, but I'm computer illiterate.

   That is a mischaracterization of the post from David, and the followup from me. This is what he asked to be cross-posted here:

To All:

Bill Lee has decided to pull out of the effort to run a world champs. He was going to be the overall event director. In large part due to the FAI and the F2B working group adamantly opposed to any format change; and the difficulty of getting any meaningful rules change proposals passed. Namely, adding an option to hold a 4-circle format, much like the US Nats. Probably because it comes from the US. Frustration was the descriptor to any discussion.

I have to agree. I am disappointed, but I think he is right. I will no longer advocate, or volunteer to run, a world champs in Muncie for 2022.

No world champs till they fix the format and run an actual contest not an endurance event for the judges. If you want an actual contest, come to the US Nats. They do not see a problem with judges working 50 flts/day every competition day.

Can someone please post this over at Stunt Hangar. Thanks.

Dave

David Fitzgerald

 

     My own input is that there was no way we were going to make the effort to get funding for a WC if we couldn't get assurance that we could run stunt properly via the standard format (as used at the NATs). None of the counter-arguments made much sense but it was clear that nothing was going to happen along those lines, and Bill didn't want to proceed unless the rules were explicitly changed to permit/require such a format. That is not going to happen and we are no longer attempting to pursue this, and thus no one is actively trying to get a WC for either 2022 or 2024.

    There was a second issue where F2C event was going to have a problem finding people to both field teams and run the contest, too. To run the contest, someone would have to forgo their own participation as a team, and there just aren't enough qualified people to do it.

      It doesn't make sense to proceed under these restrictions.

      Brett

[john e. holliday]

Thanks for straightening this out.  I guess I need how to say/type what I want to say.   

[Brett Buck]

Thanks for straightening this out.  I guess I need how to say/type what I want to say.   

    It was sort of OK, but the real point was the stunt part of it, we/I got nowhere with that (and I was not surprised about it).

    And I don't fault the TR guys from not wanting to give up their chance. While stunt has big contests that are as important or more than the FAI WC, for TR, international competition is where it'a at. Not many people in the USA have even heard of TR, much less seen it, but internationally, TR is the main event. Give up your chance to compete and you are just out of it. They worked hard to get to the level to compete, just like anyone else.

     And, we can't just count on Bill doing everything for everybody. There are always a few people who show themselves both capable and willing to do all the hard work of setting things up for us, and we tend to both take them for granted, and ride them into the ground by allowing them to just take care of everything. It happens at the NATs, it happens with PAMPA all the time, it has happened with Bill and the FAI.

    There is a tremendous amount of work going on behind the scenes, and it is usually so well done that no one even realizes how hard it is and how much of it there is, it all just happens somehow. And of course, if even the tiniest thing goes wrong or just doesn't out, there are plenty of people who are willing to complain about it.

    Brett

[Dave_Trible]

Sort of a shame.  Bringing it here would allow some to participate and many to spectate who could never afford to travel to see one.  I would consider us hosting- not running the show,  even if we like our methods better.  The sport is holding its own and maybe even growing ‘outside’ the US.  Maybe it shouldn’t be shunned so much.

Dave

[Tim Wescott]

    There is a tremendous amount of work going on behind the scenes, and it is usually so well done that no one even realizes how hard it is and how much of it there is, it all just happens somehow. And of course, if even the tiniest thing goes wrong or just doesn't out, there are plenty of people who are willing to complain about it.

Allow me to second this in case there's any doubters.  I was a board member of a large amateur radio club in the mid 90's, and had to quit when our first kid came along because I didn't have the energy -- and that was just working as a board member, which is the least-effort position.  More recently secretary of a tiny RC club, which I also didn't have the energy for.

I am tremendously grateful that there are people out there who can and will do this.  You'll see me at contests trying to pick up whatever odd jobs there happen to be that day -- but I know damned well that I'm not doing the real work, I'm just expending what energy I can to alleviate the strain on the people doing that part.

[Brett Buck]

Sort of a shame.  Bringing it here would allow some to participate and many to spectate who could never afford to travel to see one.  I would consider us hosting- not running the show,  even if we like our methods better.  The sport is holding its own and maybe even growing ‘outside’ the US.  Maybe it shouldn’t be shunned so much.

   We aren't shunning anything that I am aware of. Knock yourself out.

    Brett

[Dave_Trible]

Sort of in the research mode already.....

Dave

[peabody]

Dave:
The "participation" part, if you are talking about flying, is the Team Trials....I understand that Teams are limited to three Senior (Open) and one (?) Junior?

If you want a practice run, a World Cup event in the US would be a possibility?

Have fun!

[Dave_Trible]

Thanks Rich.  I’ve flown in the last four Team Trials.  We are entertaining bringing the WC back to Muncie-maybe 2022.  AMA is open to it.  I guess the World Cup comes along with it as a sort of warm up event.  Joyce Hagar seems to think it might help us get the EC to shake loose a little more money for L Pad repairs and whatever is needed at the other CL sites.

Dave

[BillLee]

Thanks Rich.  I’ve flown in the last four Team Trials.  We are entertaining bringing the WC back to Muncie-maybe 2022.  AMA is open to it.  I guess the World Cup comes along with it as a sort of warm up event.  Joyce Hagar seems to think it might help us get the EC to shake loose a little more money for L Pad repairs and whatever is needed at the other CL sites.

Dave

Dave, who is the "we" you mention ?

[Dave_Trible]

Hello Bill.  At this point just myself and a some discussion with a few friends and AMA folks.  I said it was research to gather thoughts and info.  You were on my list to talk to among others.  Very much in the infant stage.

Dave