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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Bob Hunt on February 25, 2022, 06:09:56 AM
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If you are so moved, please say a prayer or have a good thought for the country of and people of Ukraine. And please especially say a prayer for our modeling brothers and sisters who live in that country.
In faith - Bob Hunt
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If you are so moved, please say a prayer or have a good thought for the country of and people of Ukraine. And please especially say a prayer for our modeling brothers and sisters who live in that country.
In faith - Bob Hunt
Done and ongoing.
Ken
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If you are so moved, please say a prayer or have a good thought for the country of and people of Ukraine. And please especially say a prayer for our modeling brothers and sisters who live in that country.
In faith - Bob Hunt
I'm in with you brother.
My Prayers added
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Ditto dear friend.
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I say a prayer for the admirers of Putin. May they wake up and be Patriots who support our Democracy. I say a prayer for our country may we be saved from those who divide us and keep us from seeing our common needs and purpose. I say a prayer for the people of Ukraine, attacked because they are a Democratic country resisting their autocratic neighbor.
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If you are so moved, please say a prayer or have a good thought for the country of and people of Ukraine. And please especially say a prayer for our modeling brothers and sisters who live in that country.
In faith - Bob Hunt
Yes...I am moved, I am worried...I AM VERY SAD! :'(
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I say a prayer for the admirers of Putin. May they wake up and be Patriots who support our Democracy. I say a prayer for our country may we be saved from those who divide us and keep us from seeing our common needs and purpose. I say a prayer for the people of Ukraine, attacked because they are a Democratic country resisting their autocratic neighbor.
Well, said Dennis.
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If you are so moved, please say a prayer or have a good thought for the country of and people of Ukraine. And please especially say a prayer for our modeling brothers and sisters who live in that country.
In faith - Bob Hunt
sent E-Mail to Yuriy Yatsenko the other day wishing him well.. Guy Markham
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I say a prayer for the admirers of Putin. May they wake up and be Patriots who support our Democracy. I say a prayer for our country may we be saved from those who divide us and keep us from seeing our common needs and purpose. I say a prayer for the people of Ukraine, attacked because they are a Democratic country resisting their autocratic neighbor.
No one supports Putin - as usual, the news misrepresents the situation to make a narrative.
Brett
p.s. I might also note - Uncle Joe, and about half of the European leaders were, inexplicably, surprised that shaking their fists and sending strongly-worded letters were not enough to dissuade this invasion. It is another manifestation of the fact that many people in the West seem to have completely forgotten that real evil exists in the world, and will take anything they can get in any way they can get it, if you let them.
Some of the Russian protesters even said, in apparent surprise, that "Putin has gone crazy!". He has not "gone crazy" - he was always crazy, while clever and conniving, and only ridiculously weak leadership of the rest of the world has permitted this situation to degenerate to this point. He was the *head of the KGB*, what the heck did anyone expect was going to happen? He is doing it because he figures he will get away with it with essentially no cost, which appears to be the case. Slap on all the economic sanctions you want - he and his buddies aren't going to be the ones starving to death.
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No one supports Putin - as usual, the news misrepresents the situation to make a narrative.
Brett
p.s. I might also note - Uncle Joe, and about half of the European leaders were, inexplicably, surprised that shaking their fists and sending strongly-worded letters were not enough to dissuade this invasion. It is another manifestation of the fact that many people in the West seem to have completely forgotten that real evil exists in the world, and will take anything they can get in any way they can get it, if you let them.
Some of the Russian protesters even said, in apparent surprise, that "Putin has gone crazy!". He has not "gone crazy" - he was always crazy, while clever and conniving, and only ridiculously weak leadership of the rest of the world has permitted this situation to degenerate to this point. He was the *head of the KGB*, what the heck did anyone expect was going to happen? He is doing it because he figures he will get away with it with essentially no cost, which appears to be the case. Slap on all the economic sanctions you want - he and his buddies aren't going to be the ones starving to death.
That's real truth right there...
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That's real truth right there...
But, aside from Dennis' typical and dimwitted attempt to insert his talking points, Bobby has a point, too.
Brett
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Some of the Russian protesters even said, in apparent surprise, that "Putin has gone crazy!".
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Sure. Millions of Americans said the same about Trump, but that didn't stop him from attempting to dismantle Democracy. What people say has little effect on people like that.
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Sure. Millions of Americans said the same about Trump, but that didn't stop him from attempting to dismantle Democracy. What people say has little effect on people like that.
What is it with you guys? Do you have no sense of proportion or decency left, is it all about getting in your digs? You are gibbering on about trivia, people are shooting guns and missiles at each other for real in the real world. And where is Trump now and what does he have to do with this? Nowhere and nothing, a non-player from here on out - aside from living rent-free in your head.
I would never have imagined that I would have to say this to an 80+ year old man - but for God's sake, GROW UP!
Brett
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Just got an EMAIL from the daughter (who lives in the USA ) of my good friend in charge at the Zalp sngine co in the Ukraine . she says for now they are ok but very Scared
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No one supports Putin - as usual, the news misrepresents the situation to make a narrative.
Brett
p.s. I might also note - Uncle Joe, and about half of the European leaders were, inexplicably, surprised that shaking their fists and sending strongly-worded letters were not enough to dissuade this invasion. It is another manifestation of the fact that many people in the West seem to have completely forgotten that real evil exists in the world, and will take anything they can get in any way they can get it, if you let them.
Some of the Russian protesters even said, in apparent surprise, that "Putin has gone crazy!". He has not "gone crazy" - he was always crazy, while clever and conniving, and only ridiculously weak leadership of the rest of the world has permitted this situation to degenerate to this point. He was the *head of the KGB*, what the heck did anyone expect was going to happen? He is doing it because he figures he will get away with it with essentially no cost, which appears to be the case. Slap on all the economic sanctions you want - he and his buddies aren't going to be the ones starving to death.
Putin's goal all along has been to put back together the Soviet Union. He is KGB that is all you need to know. Biden could not win a war against the South Pole....
Mike
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I have some news to pass along from Steven Yampolsky. He was able to talk to Ruslan Kurenkov(owner of Control Line Parts and Ukrainian F2B team member) and Andriy Yatsenko. I may have missed something so please don't kill the messenger:
As of last night, Ruslan is from Kyiv. He and his young family are hiding in an underground garage designated as a local bomb shelter. They're spending the night in the car. Ruslan is shocked and pissed off at the same time.
Andriy Yatsenko lives near the Antonov factory. The factory has one of the longest runways from which planes like AN-124 Ruslan operate from. Russian paratroopers landed there the first day and after hours of fighting, were repelled. Andriy is OK.
Yuri Yasenko is in Kishinev and is OK. Russian forces moved to invade Kishinev but were repelled by the Ukrainian forces so the city has not been invaded. Has they been able to invade, we'd never know.
Steve has tried to reach Sergey Solomianokov and Andriy Sopelnyak, both F2B fliers, both represented Ukraine at WC. Unfortunately, neither was reachable...
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All I have to say is that most people think this will be a cake walk for Putin, but do not underestimate the people of Ukraine to put up a hell of a fight. I have been hearing and reading reports that this is what is happening. Saw a woman give a report on line that with the amount of fight the Ukrainian people have in them, the Russians don't have a prayer! And see the report by Abi. time will tell, but the duration and severity of things I think depends on how much Putin is willing to gamble and the resolve of the Ukrainians. All Grandpa Joe has to say is that "This will take time." Joe and Kamala need to step aside as they are far overmatched in this crisis. If NATO was ever to rise to the occasion that it was created for, that time is now! There is no time to sit back and see what happens next. This is a part of the world that has been fought over for a long, long time and the lessons learned in the past should be a blue print for what needs to be done now.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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It is so sad. Both Steve Ashby and I see we have stood on tv. It sickens us both. We pray for them.
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Some of the Russian protesters even said, in apparent surprise, that "Putin has gone crazy!".
Sure. Millions of Americans said the same about Trump, but that didn't stop him from attempting to dismantle Democracy. What people say has little effect on people like that.
It takes an amazing amount of chutzpah to write that.
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Yea, Sparky time to take this thread down!
Oh, I don't agree with that.
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I dont agree either, as long as most dont go crazy,what better way to vent our frustrations at whats happening to our modeling friends RAD
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Yea, Sparky time to take this thread down!
So are we Twitter now. Shut it down if we don't agree with what is being said?
Ken
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Yea, Sparky time to take this thread down!
OR you could just ignore it if it bothers you.
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Joe and Kamala need to step aside as they are far overmatched in this crisis. If NATO was ever to rise to the occasion that it was created for, that time is now! There is no time to sit back and see what happens next.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
Not sure what we can do now, we're dealing with a psychopath with nukes, what can we do that doesn't risk nuclear war?
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Not sure what we can do now, we're dealing with a psychopath with nukes, what can we do that doesn't risk nuclear war?
One thing we can all do for certain is stop poking sticks at each other. I've said it before ......... there is no way that shaking a fist at or using strong words against the world's despots will convince them otherwise. Sad but true. Too bad our leaders can't come to grips with that. Over & out.
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One thing we can all do for certain is stop poking sticks at each other. I've said it before ......... there is no way that shaking a fist at or using strong words against the world's despots will convince them otherwise. Sad but true. Too bad our leaders can't come to grips with that. Over & out.
I think he is a classic sociopath:
Sociopathy refers to a pattern of antisocial behaviors and attitudes, including manipulation, deceit, aggression, and a lack of empathy for others
It's inherent quality of socialists/facists/communist. He is going to get what he wants and the side effects and who gets hurt in the process are irrelevant - the ends justify the means. Many sociopaths are very effective, smart about getting what they want.
Brett
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No one supports Putin - as usual, the news misrepresents the situation to make a narrative.
Brett
p.s. I might also note - Uncle Joe, and about half of the European leaders were, inexplicably, surprised that shaking their fists and sending strongly-worded letters were not enough to dissuade this invasion. It is another manifestation of the fact that many people in the West seem to have completely forgotten that real evil exists in the world, and will take anything they can get in any way they can get it, if you let them.
Some of the Russian protesters even said, in apparent surprise, that "Putin has gone crazy!". He has not "gone crazy" - he was always crazy, while clever and conniving, and only ridiculously weak leadership of the rest of the world has permitted this situation to degenerate to this point. He was the *head of the KGB*, what the heck did anyone expect was going to happen? He is doing it because he figures he will get away with it with essentially no cost, which appears to be the case. Slap on all the economic sanctions you want - he and his buddies aren't going to be the ones starving to death.
y1 Don't look now, but Putin told the world what he would do last July 12th ... Of course many in "leadership" (?) are the Neville Chamberlains of today, "Peace in our time - or, at least for today"?
If we can learn from history: Obama sent medical supplies and canned meals, Biden threatened sanctions, Trump sent missiles. No Russian invasion on Trump's watch for some strange reason. In fact, the man authorized bombing that killed a couple hundred Russians in Syria, wonder what they were doing there?
I pray for the people of Ukraine, but life takes strange twists. The old song, "Everybody has to meet his Waterloo" comes to mind. With the incredible courage of the Ukranian people ... will Putin meet his?
Dennis
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I have some news to pass along from Steven Yampolsky. He was able to talk to Ruslan Kurenkov(owner of Control Line Parts and Ukrainian F2B team member) and Andriy Yatsenko. I may have missed something so please don't kill the messenger:
As of last night, Ruslan is from Kyiv. He and his young family are hiding in an underground garage designated as a local bomb shelter. They're spending the night in the car. Ruslan is shocked and pissed off at the same time.
Andriy Yatsenko lives near the Antonov factory. The factory has one of the longest runways from which planes like AN-124 Ruslan operate from. Russian paratroopers landed there the first day and after hours of fighting, were repelled. Andriy is OK.
Yuri Yasenko is in Kishinev and is OK. Russian forces moved to invade Kishinev but were repelled by the Ukrainian forces so the city has not been invaded. Has they been able to invade, we'd never know.
Steve has tried to reach Sergey Solomianokov and Andriy Sopelnyak, both F2B fliers, both represented Ukraine at WC. Unfortunately, neither was reachable...
Sergii was on facebook earlier today. He is safe for now, but like the others , very concerned.
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I pray for the people of Ukraine, but life takes strange twists. The old song, "Everybody has to meet his Waterloo" comes to mind. With the incredible courage of the Ukranian people ... will Putin meet his?
Dennis
Never underestimate people fighting to save their homes. Also never underestimate an armed militia. He may topple the government for now, but he will never win the people - and they have guns. As for Europe, third times a charm? How's your Green New Deal working out. What does the carbon footprint of a small war look like?
Ken
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What is it with you guys? Do you have no sense of proportion or decency left, is it all about getting in your digs? You are gibbering on about trivia, people are shooting guns and missiles at each other for real in the real world. And where is Trump now and what does he have to do with this? Nowhere and nothing, a non-player from here on out - aside from living rent-free in your head.
I would never have imagined that I would have to say this to an 80+ year old man - but for God's sake, GROW UP!
Brett
y1
Never underestimate people fighting to save their homes. Also never underestimate an armed militia. He may topple the government for now, but he will never win the people - and they have guns. As for Europe, third times a charm? How's your Green New Deal working out. What does the carbon footprint of a small war look like?
Ken
y1 - Do we see the beginning of another Afghanistan?
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Looks like 1939-40 all over again, the invasion of Finland.
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Praying for Ukrain.
Innocent people being hurt and killed for no reason, go home Russia.
Blessings
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China is watching and I don't think they are liking what they see from Putin.
Ken
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China is watching and I don't think they are liking what they see from Putin.
Ken
How would you conclude that, Ken? It seems that China recently vowed support of Putin with no limited areas of that support. It's sketchy on any day what they'll do or not do.
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How would you conclude that, Ken? It seems that China recently vowed support of Putin with no limited areas of that support. It's sketchy on any day what they'll do or not do.
China was expecting their new partner to quickly "liberate" Ukraine while the world just let him do it. I don't think that they are quite surprised by the reaction of the people of Ukraine defending their freedom. Chinese are impressed by power and right now Putin is not showing power, he is showing insanity, and is turning the entire world against him. Who wants to partner with that?
We have lived our lives for hundreds of years with more freedom than most of the world and pretty much take it for granted. Ukrainians are just experiencing it and don't want to give it up. I have had three employees who were from Ukraine before the collapse. They are smart, hard workers and proud, just like the ones from Tiawan.
If I were Putin, I would fear China more than the US if they see him as weak, and right now he looks weak.
Ken
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This
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I just recieved a set of ready made lines from Ruslan 2 days ago. Its unreal this is happening.
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I just recieved a set of ready made lines from Ruslan 2 days ago. Its unreal this is happening.
Mine came about a week ago. Crazy...
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Mine came about a week ago. Crazy...
I just got three sets. One he sent me just to try the new 3 strand and see if I liked them. I hope we don't lose this special person.
Ken
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If you are so moved, please say a prayer or have a good thought for the country of and people of Ukraine. And please especially say a prayer for our modeling brothers and sisters who live in that country.
In faith - Bob Hunt
Bob, thank you for your prayers and support and for prayers and kind words of all stunt community!
Today at the airport Hostomel - the airstrip of Antonov factory was burned the famous giant AN - 225 Mriya. In translation mriya means “dream”. Russian aggressors can destroy the aircraft. But they can not destroy the dream of Ukrainians for freedom and independence.
God bless Ukraine!
In October 1994 Boris Krasnorutskiy presented the model AN -225 with the Buran space shuttle to his and mine aero modeling teacher Ivan Pylypenko. Boris Krasnorutskiy was chief designer of AN - 225. Also he was designer of the famous Diesel racing engines “Ритм” and “ КМД”
On the attached pictures are Boris Krasnorutskiy on the right and Ivan Pylypenko on the left holding the model.
Jerry
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I think he is a classic sociopath:
It's inherent quality of socialists/facists/communist. He is going to get what he wants and the side effects and who gets hurt in the process are irrelevant - the ends justify the means. Many sociopaths are very effective, smart about getting what they want.
Brett
For the life of me, I cannot fathom some people trying to justify what Putin is doing and saying he is a a hero.
During Vietnam, I was trained in clandestine procedures and electronic intercept tactics, in other words, spying. Our flight reported directly to the National Security Agency (NSA). During this time, we were fighting wars on two fronts, the one in Vietnam and the cold war with the Soviet Union. All of our operations were classified as Top Secret Codeword during that time and all traffic that was intercepted was a closely guarded secret, in fact, we were threatened with going to prison for life if we leaked any of the information we gathered. I can tell you with authority that the Soviet Union was a barbaric and savage government and committed atrocities beyond what our minds can conceive as Americans. Putin is a child of this culture and his goal ever since he came to power was to reassemble the Soviet Union under the auspices and principles that I am speaking of. He, like his predecessors , is a total sociopath and will commit any heinous act necessary to carry out his mission and goals. Never ever doubt this. He is a monster without a conscious.
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I'll stay well away from the generic American comments where Democrats/Republicans take cheap shots at each other, but I think we can all agree Putin and his cronies are deranged and normal rules no longer apply.
Based on a purely amature analytical look at how the invasion is progressing...
My personal opinion is while Putin may have expected to crush Ukraine he has found he is now fighting a very different war. I think his new objective is now to create a corridor to Crimea. I firmly believe once he has the corridor to Crimea taking in the land south of the Dnieper River he will attempt to show himself as a reasonable man and come to the negotiating table. He will probably offer to give any land to the north of Ukraine already taken back in exchange. He will also reiterate his demand that Ukraine never joins Nato. (Not sure how that will pan out). Had the assault gone as he expected I think taking overall control of Ukraine via a "puppet Government" was his original objective but he underestimated the type of war he was entering into and the surprisingly rapid reaction of Europe and the US. Ukraine has every chance of becoming his Afghanistan. Currently he is stretching the Ukrainian resistance across the much of the country giving his forces in the East/South the opportunity to create the link with Crimea.
Either way I think his days are numbered. He is fighting a 20th century war in the 21st century, His latest "Nuclear Alert" is an act of desperation. facebook, Twitter, TikToc and a myriad of other social media outlets means more and more of the general Russian population see him for what he really is and do not support him (But keep quiet due to the consequences of standing up to him).. Sadly they are the ones who will suffer from the sanctions.
The (US) company I am contracted to has plants in both Ukraine and Russia and the solidarity displayed across the companies messaging platform does not indicate the average Russian citizen believes any of the propaganda being peddled by the Russian government.
I think although a very blunt weapon sanctions will ultimately be his downfall and I do not think Europe or the US will allow things to return to how they were before unless Putin is removed from office.
One thing for certain is we do not want any NATO troops fighting Russians. That moves the conflict into a whole new sphere of operations. Even "Freedom fighters"... Can you imagine Putin's reaction when the 1st American is captured by Russian forces Military or not. While Europe may seem a long way away to much of the US population let's not forget that Alaska is a very short distance from the Russian mainland and Putin just might start lobbing Nuc's over that route rather than via Europe..
Sending prayers to everyone in Ukraine.
TTFN
John.
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I'll stay well away from the generic American comments where Democrats/Republicans take cheap shots at each other, but I think we can all agree Putin and his cronies are deranged and normal rules no longer apply.
Based on a purely amature analytical look at how the invasion is progressing...
My personal opinion is while Putin may have expected to crush Ukraine he has found he is now fighting a very different war. I think his new objective is now to create a corridor to Crimea. I firmly believe once he has the corridor to Crimea taking in the land south of the Dnieper River he will attempt to show himself as a reasonable man and come to the negotiating table. He will probably offer to give any land to the north of Ukraine already taken back in exchange. He will also reiterate his demand that Ukraine never joins Nato. (Not sure how that will pan out). Had the assault gone as he expected I think taking overall control of Ukraine via a "puppet Government" was his original objective but he underestimated the type of war he was entering into and the surprisingly rapid reaction of Europe and the US. Ukraine has every chance of becoming his Afghanistan. Currently he is stretching the Ukrainian resistance across the much of the country giving his forces in the East/South the opportunity to create the link with Crimea.
Either way I think his days are numbered. He is fighting a 20th century war in the 21st century, His latest "Nuclear Alert" is an act of desperation. facebook, Twitter, TikToc and a myriad of other social media outlets means more and more of the general Russian population see him for what he really is and do not support him (But keep quiet due to the consequences of standing up to him).. Sadly they are the ones who will suffer from the sanctions.
The (US) company I am contracted to has plants in both Ukraine and Russia and the solidarity displayed across the companies messaging platform does not indicate the average Russian citizen believes any of the propaganda being peddled by the Russian government.
I think although a very blunt weapon sanctions will ultimately be his downfall and I do not think Europe or the US will allow things to return to how they were before unless Putin is removed from office.
One thing for certain is we do not want any NATO troops fighting Russians. That moves the conflict into a whole new sphere of operations. Even "Freedom fighters"... Can you imagine Putin's reaction when the 1st American is captured by Russian forces Military or not. While Europe may seem a long way away to much of the US population let's not forget that Alaska is a very short distance from the Russian mainland and Putin just might start lobbing Nuc's over that route rather than via Europe..
Sending prayers to everyone in Ukraine.
TTFN
John.
Excellent post, John. I doubt many of us in America - and probably much of the world as well - understand how strategically important Crimea is, as an "air base" and for the port of Sevastopol, where Russia now stations its Black Sea fleet (including the Ukranian ships they seized in 2014).
That the Germans and Russians fought bitter, costly battles for that seaport in WWII speaks to its importance.
Here's a very brief synopsis: https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/27/latest_news/1645973678_162970.html (https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/27/latest_news/1645973678_162970.html)
Dennis
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A 40 mile long Russian armored convoy heading towards Kiev.
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"This is how it was sent to me. I do not know if this is true or not. If it is. It would explain a lot."
I honestly didn’t know either …
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.
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"This is how it was sent to me. I do not know if this is true or not. If it is. It would explain a lot."
I honestly didn’t know either …
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
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That's all interesting but - it matters because they are decent people fighting a fundamentally evil expansionist regime for their right to self-determination. They should be important to us for that reason alone.
I would also note that their own government is hardly any sterling example of rectitude - it was notoriously corrupt - but at least it is *their* government, not that of a neoSoviet vassal state (like their neighbors in Belarus). Clearly, Zelensky is rising to the occasion
Brett
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That's all interesting but - it matters because they are decent people fighting a fundamentally evil expansionist regime for their right to self-determination. They should be important to us for that reason alone.
I would also note that their own government is hardly any sterling example of rectitude - it was notoriously corrupt - but at least it is *their* government, not that of a neoSoviet vassal state (like their neighbors in Belarus). Clearly, Zelensky is rising to the occasion
Brett
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Excellently put Brett, very well said.
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"This is how it was sent to me. I do not know if this is true or not. If it is. It would explain a lot."
I honestly didn’t know either …
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
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Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.
For as long as I can remember from schooling in history and geography, Ukraine has been referred to as "The Bread Basket of Europe." The area has been fought over for centuries. Most every adversary that invaded Russia through history, including Napoleon and Hitler, has gone through that region on their way to Moscow, and it is considered by many , including Putin to be part of Mother Russia and Putin has long coveted restoring the Motherland. I don't think that is going to happen, and I think the longer the conflict goes on, the worse it will be for Putin in the end. Even his own people and many in his military are not behind him.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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In addition to prayers, Ukranians seem to need physical help. And I don't mean just for the fighting. The children, the elderly, etc. are in pretty bad situations. I've been told that money is the easiest and safest thing, through some usually reliable charities and NGOs. They can get what is needed to where it is needed.
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Dan, I have to agree. Annexing Ukraine back into Mother Russia would be like California becoming part of the US again. LL~
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" In addition to prayers, Ukranians seem to need physical help. And I don't mean just for the fighting. The children, the elderly, etc. are in pretty bad situations. I've been told that money is the easiest and safest thing, through some usually reliable charities and NGOs. They can get what is needed to where it is needed. "
Pity , but UN site pratles on about charity , https://ukraine.un.org/en . Where it should be ' The Big stick ' .
According to the media , KURD relief in Iraq needed 10 billion dollars . Massive Fundrasing . Would Take TEN YEARS . The cost of ONE DAY of the war ! ???
HENCE
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I believe the one in Newzealand said " We'll know the Polititions have got it right , when . . . .education is properly funded , and the Air Force has to hold a cake stall to buy another aeroplane ."
Now , If ONLY the FARMERs were allowed guns . . . but you couldnt then let them have to much beer .
Would be a change if the media stuck to the facts , without embelishment , fear mongering and hysetria inducement .
as most now seem to consider to be their job . They tend to raak up the politions to idiocy .
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I believe the one in Newzealand said " We'll know the Polititions have got it right , when . . . .our schools are properly funded , and the Air Foce has to hold a cake stall to buy another aeroplane .
I would hope that the events of the last week demonstrate clearly that this notion is suicidally naive' hippy bullsh*t.
There has been and always will be people like Putin around, and we will always, forever, unalterably, need to be able to confront them. Always - it is not optional, superior reason will not win out, and being weak will just embolden them. That doesn't mean we should go around picking fights, but it does mean that we will always need to means to oppose them on their terms. Always.
Brett
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Looks like theyre getting better at it . Western Society is Basically ordered thuggery . Sorry .
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domino theory, also called domino effect, theory adopted in U.S. foreign policy after World War II according to which the “fall” of a noncommunist state to communism would precipitate the fall of noncommunist governments in neighbouring states. The theory was first proposed by Pres. Harry S. Truman to justify sending military aid to Greece and Turkey in the 1940s, but it became popular in the 1950s when Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower applied it to Southeast Asia, especially South Vietnam. The domino theory was one of the main arguments used in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations during the 1960s to justify increasing American military involvement in the Vietnam War.
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confederation, primarily any league or union of people or bodies of people. The term in modern political use is generally confined to a permanent union of sovereign states for certain common purposes—e.g., the German Confederation established by the Congress of Vienna in 1815.
The distinction between confederation and federation—words synonymous in their origin—has been developed in the political terminology of the United States. Until 1789 the U.S. was a confederation; then the word federation, or federal republic, was introduced as implying closer union. This distinction was emphasized during the American Civil War when the seceding states formed a confederation (Confederate States of America) in opposition to the Federal Union. Confederation thus came to mean a union of sovereign states in which the stress is laid on the autonomy of each constituent body, while federation implies a union of states in which the stress is laid on the supremacy of the common government. The distinction is, however, by no means universally observed. The variant confederacy, derived through the Anglo-French confederacie and meaning generally a league or union, whether of states or individuals, was applied in America in the sense of confederation to the seceding Southern states. In its political sense confederacy has generally come to mean rather a temporary league of independent states for certain purposes.
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balance of power, in international relations, the posture and policy of a nation or group of nations protecting itself against another nation or group of nations by matching its power against the power of the other side. States can pursue a policy of balance of power in two ways: by increasing their own power, as when engaging in an armaments race or in the competitive acquisition of territory; or by adding to their own power that of other states, as when embarking upon a policy of alliances.
The term balance of power came into use to denote the power relationships in the European state system from the end of the Napoleonic Wars to World War I. Within the European balance of power, Great Britain played the role of the “balancer,” or “holder of the balance.” It was not permanently identified with the policies of any European nation, and it would throw its weight at one time on one side, at another time on another side, guided largely by one consideration—the maintenance of the balance itself. Naval supremacy and its virtual immunity from foreign invasion enabled Great Britain to perform this function, which made the European balance of power both flexible and stable.
The balance of power from the early 20th century onward underwent drastic changes that for all practical purposes destroyed the European power structure as it had existed since the end of the Middle Ages. Prior to the 20th century, the political world was composed of a number of separate and independent balance-of-power systems, such as the European, the American, the Chinese, and the Indian. But World War I and its attendant political alignments triggered a process that eventually culminated in the integration of most of the world’s nations into a single balance-of-power system. This integration began with the World War I alliance of Britain, France, Russia, and the United States against Germany and Austria-Hungary. The integration continued in World War II, during which the fascist nations of Germany, Japan, and Italy were opposed by a global alliance of the Soviet Union, the United States, Britain, and China. World War II ended with the major weights in the balance of power having shifted from the traditional players in western and central Europe to just two non-European ones: the United States and the Soviet Union. The result was a bipolar balance of power across the northern half of the globe that pitted the free-market democracies of the West against the communist one-party states of eastern Europe. More specifically, the nations of western Europe sided with the United States in the NATO military alliance, while the Soviet Union’s satellite-allies in central and eastern Europe became unified under Soviet leadership in the Warsaw Pact.
Because the balance of power was now bipolar and because of the great disparity of power between the two superpowers and all other nations, the European countries lost that freedom of movement that previously had made for a flexible system. Instead of a series of shifting and basically unpredictable alliances with and against each other, the nations of Europe now clustered around the two superpowers and tended to transform themselves into two stable blocs.
There were other decisive differences between the postwar balance of power and its predecessor. The fear of mutual destruction in a global nuclear holocaust injected into the foreign policies of the United States and the Soviet Union a marked element of restraint. A direct military confrontation between the two superpowers and their allies on European soil was an almost-certain gateway to nuclear war and was therefore to be avoided at almost any cost. So instead, direct confrontation was largely replaced by (1) a massive arms race whose lethal products were never used and (2) political meddling or limited military interventions by the superpowers in various Third World nations.
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I would hope that the events of the last week demonstrate clearly that this notion is suicidally naive' hippy bullsh*t.
There has been and always will be people like Putin around, and we will always, forever, unalterably, need to be able to confront them. Always - it is not optional, superior reason will not win out, and being weak will just embolden them. That doesn't mean we should go around picking fights, but it does mean that we will always need to means to oppose them on their terms. Always.
Brett
y1 ALWAYS!!! Anything else is "suicidally naive hippy bullsh*t" - and a GOOD education would have taught you that!
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I just watched the State of the Union. I pray for Ukraine; we have truly abandoned them. I don't think even Jimmy Carter could manage to abandon two countries in one year. Didn't we urge Ukraine to give up it's nukes by pledging to defend it's borders?
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I just watched the State of the Union. I pray for Ukraine; we have truly abandoned them. I don't think even Jimmy Carter could manage to abandon two countries in one year. Didn't we urge Ukraine to give up it's nukes by pledging to defend it's borders?
Not to defend Biden, but what exactly is there to do in this situation? One common theme from the last 25 years is us pulling out resources from Europe, regardless of the administration. Even at the best of times in the 60's, a full-scale Soviet attack would have almost immediately led to using nuclear weapons because we couldn't afford to maintain a sufficient conventional army to repel it. It's even more like that now - our presence is nearly zero.
Trump warned all the European countries that they needed to learn to defend themselves (and pay for it), because we weren't going to do it any more. Using iron-clad logic - "orange man bad" - they ignored him and then made a bunch of energy deals with Russia. This is an ugly wake-up call, they (and the Ukrainian people) are paying for this bad decision.
To their credit, some of the EU leaders, like the enviro-hippy Green Party German Chancellor, have done a 180, and are both massively raising defense spending, maybe instating conscription, and even talking about keeping reactors on-line to make up for the lost Russian natural gas supply.
This is the inevitable result of lack of urgency, preparedness, and vision for 30 years now. Same sort of complacency and wishful thinking that led to World War II. If we had had the resources in place, this attack would never have happened in the first place. But without that, Biden's hands are tied. There's only one real option to stop this in the current circumstances. It is a terrible tragedy as it is, but it could get a lot worse.
Brett
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Trump warned all the European countries that they needed to learn to defend themselves (and pay for it), because we weren't going to do it any more. Using iron-clad logic - "orange man bad" - they ignored him and then made a bunch of energy deals with Russia. This is an ugly wake-up call, they (and the Ukrainian people) are paying for this bad decision.
To their credit, some of the EU leaders, like the enviro-hippy Green Party German Chancellor, have done a 180, and are both massively raising defense spending, maybe instating conscription, and even talking about keeping reactors on-line to make up for the lost Russian natural gas supply.
This is the inevitable result of lack of urgency, preparedness, and vision for 30 years now. Same sort of complacency and wishful thinking that led to World War II. If we had had the resources in place, this attack would never have happened in the first place. But without that, Biden's hands are tied. There's only one real option to stop this in the current circumstances. It is a terrible tragedy as it is, but it could get a lot worse.
Brett
His hands are not fully tied, and I am glad you noted that he tied them himself. Changing our energy policy and not blocking some of the aid going to Ukraine might help. I am referring to the Mig-29's that were pledged. Ukraine had been begging for months for more arms to defend itself. Is there anything that can be done right now? Probably not but could anything have been done once we came to the conclusion that an invasion was going to happen - absolutely. Here is a thought, invade Belarus and threaten to use nukes if Putin tries to stop us. How about massive aid to Tiawan? Maybe it is just a message but it is one to the true bully. Russia invested heavily in building a military, but he does not have an economy large enough to support using it over time. He needs revenue yet that is the one thing we are not cutting off. When in your life have you ever stopped a bully by giving him what he wants? Biden is controlled by the greens and they appear to be heavily funded by Russian oil interests.
I have zero faith that he will call Putin's bluff and it is three years till we will have a President again. The cat is away, and the mice are playing. So maybe there is little we can do to save Ukraine for now other than learn where our mindless foreign policy of the last year has taken us. Maybe "Orange Man Good" might work. We are in a world where the ability to take us into another dark ages is in the hands of two crazy, although different types of crazy, leaders. Does China's apparent buddying up to Putin make sense now. They are using him to weaken Russia and the US. A true bully never fights his own fights, he uses others.
Sorry Brett, you are right about the current situation but where we go from here really needs analysis.
Ken
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https://rumble.com/vw04tl-mark-levin-takes-on-cpac-2022-full-appearance.html
If this link works, listen to what Mark Levin says about the situation.
Mike
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Hello! Igor Panchenko.CA. I'm asking moderator, If I can organize some temporarily folder, for Ukrainian info related? Any suggestions?
I've helped to make some progress in Defense segment and some Science segment too - for USA. Now is very difficult time for my relatives and people in Ukraine, they need your help?
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1384130588056068099?s=20
find your representative by Zip code. Ask to cover the sky above Ukraine, humanitarian help needed , Block the Russian military ships in Black Sea?
https://www.house.gov/representatives
do some other things :
Remove Russian propaganda from cable
https://chng.it/vD99y2N6mM
Public advocacy challenge from the UNWLA:
https://unwla.org/news/the-7-day-public-advocacy-challenge/
The Russia-Ukraine War Background and History of the Country
http://The Russia-Ukraine crisis
this video explains : why Ukraine is different than Russia.
https://youtu.be/nK-yJD_fAtk
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Sergii was on facebook earlier today. He is safe for now, but like the others , very concerned.
Hello! Igor Panchenko.CA. I'm asking moderator, If I can organize some temporarily folder, for Ukrainian info related? Any suggestions?
I've helped to make some progress in Defense segment and some Science segment too - for USA. Now is very difficult time for my relatives and people in Ukraine, they need your help?
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1384130588056068099?s=20
find your representative by Zip code. Ask to cover the sky above Ukraine, humanitarian help needed , Block the Russian military ships in Black Sea?
https://www.house.gov/representatives
do some other things :
Remove Russian propaganda from cable
https://chng.it/vD99y2N6mM
Public advocacy challenge from the UNWLA:
https://unwla.org/news/the-7-day-public-advocacy-challenge/
The Russia-Ukraine War Background and History of the Country
http://The Russia-Ukraine crisis
this video explains : why Ukraine is different than Russia.
https://youtu.be/nK-yJD_fAtk
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Not to defend Biden, but what exactly is there to do in this situation? One common theme from the last 25 years is us pulling out resources from Europe, regardless of the administration. Even at the best of times in the 60's, a full-scale Soviet attack would have almost immediately led to using nuclear weapons because we couldn't afford to maintain a sufficient conventional army to repel it. It's even more like that now - our presence is nearly zero.
Trump warned all the European countries that they needed to learn to defend themselves (and pay for it), because we weren't going to do it any more. Using iron-clad logic - "orange man bad" - they ignored him and then made a bunch of energy deals with Russia. This is an ugly wake-up call, they (and the Ukrainian people) are paying for this bad decision.
To their credit, some of the EU leaders, like the enviro-hippy Green Party German Chancellor, have done a 180, and are both massively raising defense spending, maybe instating conscription, and even talking about keeping reactors on-line to make up for the lost Russian natural gas supply.
This is the inevitable result of lack of urgency, preparedness, and vision for 30 years now. Same sort of complacency and wishful thinking that led to World War II. If we had had the resources in place, this attack would never have happened in the first place. But without that, Biden's hands are tied. There's only one real option to stop this in the current circumstances. It is a terrible tragedy as it is, but it could get a lot worse.
Brett
Hello! Igor Panchenko.CA. I'm asking moderator, If I can organize some temporarily folder, for Ukrainian info related? Any suggestions?
I've helped to make some progress in Defense segment and some Science segment too - for USA. Now is very difficult time for my relatives and people in Ukraine, they need your help?
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1384130588056068099?s=20
find your representative by Zip code. Ask to cover the sky above Ukraine, humanitarian help needed , Block the Russian military ships in Black Sea?
https://www.house.gov/representatives
do some other things :
Remove Russian propaganda from cable
https://chng.it/vD99y2N6mM
Public advocacy challenge from the UNWLA:
https://unwla.org/news/the-7-day-public-advocacy-challenge/
The Russia-Ukraine War Background and History of the Country
http://The Russia-Ukraine crisis
this video explains : why Ukraine is different than Russia.
https://youtu.be/nK-yJD_fAtk
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Hello! Igor Panchenko.CA. I'm asking moderator, If I can organize some temporarily folder, for Ukrainian info related? Any suggestions?
I've helped to make some progress in Defense segment and some Science segment too - for USA.
And for Earth. Igor’s helicopter just made its twentieth flight on Mars.
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Hello! I'm asking in moderator - where I can organize the temporarily folder, Ukraine related ? Thank you! Igor Panchenko.
Send me a PM in exactly what you're asking for
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And for Earth. Igor’s helicopter just made its twentieth flight on Mars.
Howard, the Ingenuity is not my one. I proud that, I made some thing for that project and made some parts for it, and developed some process to do those.JPL used AV as contractor with the help, in developing and make the Rotorcraft. Yes, my DNA Among other people - who made this success, are on the Mars Planet. I can supply some more links pictures videos . It is hard to locate in the forum with volume of data restriction in the Website . Send email to me? Igor
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So sad,prayers for our Ukrainian friends.
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Indeed . The children must be wondering how far you can trust these ' grown ups '
https://kyivindependent.com/
Seems to be about the only ' on the level ' reports from out there . Unfortunately regard the rest as more ' hysterical ' rather than informative .