All this is, how do I say it? I was just thinking about stock car racing. In the early days guys would strip a car down and go race. You had to if you were going to race. A friends dad told many times how they would drive to the track. Roll down the windows and tape up the lights. Race all night/evening, if they won the race a trophy was presented to them in which they had to return it before going home. Has stock car racing died because someone started building card for someone else to drive and compete with? Yes there are guys/gals that still build their own race cars to race on local circuits all over the country. Now to model airplanes this probably nothing to really do with it. Of course there are those making a living off of model airplanes. A few are doing it with competition model airplanes. I still contend that those that like to build will still build their own planes. Some will never build a model airplane, but, they will buy and fly. The powers to be in all of model airplanes need to come up with a definate wording on what really constitutes a BUILDER OF THE MODEL. It also need to be enforcible. Enough said, DOC Holliday