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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: RandySmith on October 23, 2017, 10:23:34 PM
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I was sent these a few days ago, too good not to share , My friend Bill Rich with his SV in his Rookie of the year performance , at the Nats 1989
Randy
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He Forgot the ' E ' . S?P
Looks Good . H^^
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He Forgot the ' E ' . S?P
Looks Good . H^^
LOL no E its IC
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vigilant
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Where was the NATS held that year?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Where was the NATS held that year?
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Tri Cities, Wa
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I like the cockpit.....
He's "less prosperous" looking now, and has a Marine hat.
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I like the cockpit.....
He's "less prosperous" looking now, and has a Marine hat.
I suspect that could be said of most of us...except I have a Cowboy hat! LL~ LL~
Randy Cuberly
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Randy,
Is that actually an SV11 or some other variant?
Randy Cuberly
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Randy,
Is that actually an SV11 or some other variant?
Randy Cuberly
It is one of my SV s before the SV-11 Bill did 3 of these, Before I sent him the SV-11, these were ST 60 powered, as well as his first Sv11, this plane is going to be N30 legal in a couple of months, so some are interested. The wing and stab is basically a SV11, plan-form shape is my SV , has little different moments, great flying airplane, Great paint scheme Bill came up with, I just asked that he has a white base with really HIGH Contrast trim.. He did a great job
Randy
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I like the cockpit.....
He's "less prosperous" looking now, and has a Marine hat.
Young Bill LOL if your talkin about the Belly, that is 50 pounds down, so he can't fly a plane with too much line tension now, it would carry him off !
R
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Young Bill LOL if your talkin about the Belly, that is 50 pounds down, so he can't fly a plane with too much line tension now, it would carry him off !
Are you keeping him on as a Brother, maybe as an auxiliary, or "Honorary"?
Brett
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Are you keeping him on as a Brother, maybe as an auxiliary, or "Honorary"?
Brett
Hi Brett
Yep even though he is now "bellyless" he will always be a belly Bro , Grandfathered in or Honorary status , his big problem now is the lack of counter balance for those over heads LOL :-)
Randy
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Yep even though he is now "bellyless" he will always be a belly Bro , Grandfathered in or Honorary status , his big problem now is the lack of counter balance for those over heads LOL :-)
Stay out of the SunShine Cafe or he will re-qualify.
Brett
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Stay out of the SunShine Cafe or he will re-qualify.
Brett
Yeah tell me... that place and the 12th Street with all those pies, will put a lot of people in the Belly Bros Club !
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High aspect ratio design using Randy's stuntcraft airfoil. Bill built these when he and I were flying three times a week together behind Bush Gardens. I flew all of them and owned the Black one for many years. Very quick flat turn. Wingovers were scary to watch. I have videos of Bill flying them. Not sure why he quite them. Some have said High Aspect design do not do well in the wind. I flew mine with a ST/56 and it seemed ok in all conditions. I never used it in contest because of the BOM rule.
Ed
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High aspect ratio design using Randy's stuntcraft airfoil. Bill built these when he and I were flying three times a week together behind Bush Gardens. I flew all of them and owned the Black one for many years. Very quick flat turn. Wingovers were scary to watch. I have videos of Bill flying them. Not sure why he quite them. Some have said High Aspect design do not do well in the wind. I flew mine with a ST/56 and it seemed ok in all conditions. I never used it in contest because of the BOM rule.
Ed
Hi Ed, you are correct, the Stuntcraft wings I made for Bill were high A/R , but not much different than the SV10 or SV11 A/R, and were the same airfoil as the SV11, and if you remember what Bill was flying before, the LJ and BJ , they were no where near the very hugh A/R of those, Do you still have the Black one?
I have always liked the higher A/R ships, only problems I had was if you get too high, you get a lot of wind-up in the winds. The eliptical VECTRA I flew for 10 years was high A/R and worked very well in all conditions, but again, NOT as high as the LJ
Bill would like to get back flying more than he is now, so hopefully we will see more of him, he came to my StuntCamp this year and flew a Vector 40
Any pictures of the Black one?
Randy
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Randy Here is the black one. I got this from Bill and flew it a lot but I was starting to use the Juno at this time as my muscle disease was making it hard to fly the larger planes. I gave it away sometime around 1999-2000
Ed
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Randy Here is the black one. I got this from Bill and flew it a lot but I was starting to use the Juno at this time as my muscle disease was making it hard to fly the larger planes. I gave it away sometime around 1999-2000
Ed
Hi Ed
Thanks for posting, if you have any more pics of Bill and his early SV planes please post them, a friend is doing the plans for this one, and I am sure he would love to see them
Randy
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Randy I have pictures of most of Bill's and my planes. A lot of pictures of 1980- 1990's KOI's
Here is the Vigilante as the first one was called after I got it. I think I have all the numbers for it.
I would like to have a 46 size version of this plane as this plane was big.
Ed
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Randy I have pictures of most of Bill's and my planes. A lot of pictures of 1980- 1990's KOI's
Here is the Vigilante as the first one was called after I got it. I think I have all the numbers for it.
I would like to have a 46 size version of this plane as this plane was big.
Ed
Hi Ed
here is a 45 size version on it, this is where the plane came from, I have foam and laser ribs for it
Randy
PS this is the 1986 Vector ( SV) , 630 sq in 57.5 wing span
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Hi Ed Here is another shot of the 45 sized SV Vector 630 sq in , about 57 inch span, let me know if this is the size you are looking for, if so there is also the Shrike SATONA and STARIS that are same size. If smaller the SV wing system was developed to make any size wing, and has the adjust-ability to vary A/R and thickness, wing span and chord
Randy
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Randy I gave away l most of my plans two years ago except ones one sent me. I have Carl's drawing of the sv630 and you made me a copy of the airfoils years ago. Bill's Vigilante had a63- 65" wingspan. Nothing like the later planes. I think the red one still lives in Florida and I think I know where it is.
Ed
NOTE as I look at the pictures above of Bill and his VIGILANT it may not be the same design as the black VIGILANTE. He had a red VIGILANTE and it is not the red plane pictured above.
Sorry for the confusion.
Some of Bill's early SV-11 models had Dragon art on the nose.
EddyR
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So, the original Vector is Nostalgia 30 legal now?
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So, the original Vector is Nostalgia 30 legal now?
yes the Vector is N-30 legal as of last year , the SV11 will be there in a couple years
PIC below is the first one that Bill Rich built
All three SV airplanes are shown here, you can see they are all high A/R , and basically the same designs, just sized different , by the way I cut the elev. Stab and wings on ALL the planes shown below
Randy
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NOTE Looking at plans and pictures triggered the memory of this short lived plane.
Randy
I did build a 46 size Vigilante. Most of the planes I built I did not draw new planes but made adjustment on the plans to a similar plane.
These very faint plans are Carl Reichel plans of your Vector 630. They can just be seen in the background. I put a smaller Vigilante wing in the plane with a 22% stab. Span was 61" with same nose and tail as Vector. It was finished in 2001 and crashed in 2002. The long wing rolled in at me just after take off and crashed. Less than a dozen flights. Maybe lines snagged pavement. All the original Vigilante numbers are on the plans in very faint pencil.
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NOTE Looking at plans and pictures triggered the memory of this short lived plane.
Randy
I did build a 46 size Vigilante. Most of the planes I built I did not draw new planes but made adjustment on the plans to a similar plane.
These very faint plans are Carl Reichel plans of your Vector 630. They can just be seen in the background. I put a smaller Vigilante wing in the plane with a 22% stab. Span was 61" with same nose and tail as Vector. It was finished in 2001 and crashed in 2002. The long wing rolled in at me just after take off and crashed. Less than a dozen flights. Maybe lines snagged pavement. All the original Vigilante numbers are on the plans in very faint pencil.
Hi Ed Looks like you had a very good plane there, and did a good job on building it, Hate to loose one early Carl Lost his Vector on the first couple of flights due to lack of glue, by the way That plan I drew 100% , the Carl plan was all Auto Cad , I have the Mylar and Velum that I drew it on here in my master plan box, I also drew the APEX which was the sister ship of the VECTOR, and resembled a Stiletto , only because it used the Stiletto top black
How many flights did you get on it ?
The VECTOR and APEX was designed around a ST 46 and FSR 40=45
Regards
Randy
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Randy I have pictures of most of Bill's and my planes. A lot of pictures of 1980- 1990's KOI's
Here is the Vigilante as the first one was called after I got it. I think I have all the numbers for it.
I would like to have a 46 size version of this plane as this plane was big.
Ed
Ed if your saying you would like to build one, Then I would help you in whatever way I can, but I would urge you NOT to build one 61 in span for a ST 46, Too big for that motor, and you would have a HUGE amount more lift than you would ever need
Randy