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Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« on: December 01, 2009, 10:45:30 AM »
I started using a sharpening stone to put a new edge on my #11 blades.  I find that I can put an edge that is as good a new for several times before the blade is tossed.  Does anybody else out there do this?  I use a very fine stone I got at True Value hardware and a little light air tool oil.  Usually three or four swipes on each side is all it takes.  Just wondering if others do this.
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 11:09:28 AM »
  I will now !
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 11:20:26 AM »
Yup
There was a company that made a little fixture that you put the whole handle & blade in, then held a stone in the correct orientation to dress the blade, first one side then the other.  I have one of those devices and use it routinely...
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 11:52:03 AM »
Sadly, I find myself doing this to the new crop of Xacto blades right out of the package, as they just don't seem as sharp as they used to be a few years back.  A few swipes on the fine wet stone and they are good to go... not a huge deal breaker, but it would be nice to grab a new blade and have it sharp from the get go. Am I the only one who has noticed this???  ??? or am I loosing it?  n~

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 12:14:47 PM »
I have noticed that too Eric. I use regular razor blades a lot they seem to be a little sharper.


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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 12:18:23 PM »
Eric you are not losing it. They were sharper once. Not sure how to prove the point (pun intended) but I can easily tell the difference from back in the day. The Tower brand #11s aren't as sharp either.

Back in the day, I used a double edge blade snapped in two, then snapped again at an angle along the blade. Then I would take a piece of cereal box about 3/8" wide and fold it over and held in place with a piece of masking tape on the backbone. Now that was sharp.
If you can find a few of the old Gillette "blue blades"  those are also sharper than the new ones you can buy today, so it is not just the X-Acto that are not as sharp.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 01:05:24 PM »
I use new blades for cutting Ultracoat  and when the tips are dull resharpen them on a diamond hone several times until the bevel is gone. They last a long time that way.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 03:08:41 PM »
...I find that I can put an edge that is as good a new for several times before the blade is tossed...

Sharpening is an art (or hobby) in itself. From the rather coarse carborundum to the very, very fine ceramics, depending on what effort, and how much money you are willing to supply.

Carborundum is one of the easiest. You need no oil, as a matter of fact, if you put oil on it it is absorbed.

Diamond is excellent. You don't need oil but it can be used. I use oil. Another plus is that they don't break if you drop them.

Natural or man-made stones are available in various grits use oil or water (depending on type).

Use the stone close to the angle used at the factory. I like to strop my edges to remove any burrs that form while sharpening.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 03:16:46 PM »
Forgot to address oil. For sharpening you should use honing oil. The purpose is to prevent steel particles from being imbedded in the stone, it has nothing to do with lubrication.

Some stones, like carborundum need no oil because the stone wears as you use it, removing steel particles along with the stone.

Which brings up...you should wipe the stone clean when you are finished. I use a paper towel.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 05:39:04 PM »
I do some wood carving and picked up some great sharpening ideas/secrets from the old masters.
The method I like best is a leather Strop with a small sprinkle of Aluminum Oxide.
You stroke the blade FLAT on the leather Strop.  Do not try to match the bevel of the edge, lay it flat on the face of the blade.  Apply slight pressure and stroke it along the leather dressed with Aluminum Oxide.  Which direction you ask?  The sharp edge should be the trailing edge.
Make a dozen or so passes on each side then follow up with a few passes on clean leather without the Aluminum Oxide.
This method yields an edge that is SCARY SHARP.   ~^
I wish I had a video, it's super easy and hard to do incorrectly, if your holding the blade flat on the Strop.

Check these links:
http://www.pinewoodforge.com/sharpening.html
http://www.pinewoodforge.com/strop.html
« Last Edit: December 01, 2009, 06:32:18 PM by Harleyman »
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 06:02:11 PM »
I do some wood carving and picked up some great sharpening ideas/secrets from the old masters.
The method I like best is a leather Strop with a small sprinkle of Aluminum Oxide.
You stroke the blade FLAT on the leather Strop.  Do not try to match the bevel of the edge, lay it flat on the face of the blade.  Apply slight pressure and stroke it along the leather dressed with Aluminum Oxide.  Which direction you ask?  The sharp edge should be the trailing edge.
Make a dozen or so passes on each side then follow up with a few passes on clean leather without the Aluminum Oxide.
This method yields an edge that is SCARY SHARP.   ~^
I wish I had a video, it's super easy and hard to do incorrectly, if your holding the blade flat on the Strop.

Check this link:
http://www.pinewoodforge.com/sharpening.html
Good stuff Chris.I did not know that. Thanks!
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 07:04:07 PM »
I do some wood carving and picked up some great sharpening ideas/secrets from the old masters.
The method I like best is a leather Strop with a small sprinkle of Aluminum Oxide.
You stroke the blade FLAT on the leather Strop.  Do not try to match the bevel of the edge, lay it flat on the face of the blade.  Apply slight pressure and stroke it along the leather dressed with Aluminum Oxide.  Which direction you ask?  The sharp edge should be the trailing edge.
Make a dozen or so passes on each side then follow up with a few passes on clean leather without the Aluminum Oxide.
This method yields an edge that is SCARY SHARP.   ~^
I wish I had a video, it's super easy and hard to do incorrectly, if your holding the blade flat on the Strop.

Check these links:
http://www.pinewoodforge.com/sharpening.html
http://www.pinewoodforge.com/strop.html

Chris, there is one other thing my grandfather taught me that is important. When you get to the end of a stroke you must resist the urge to kind of roll the blade in the anticipation of flipping it over to do the other side. Must stay flat as long as contact is made.

Quote by George Bain:
"Sharpening is an art (or hobby) in itself."

Exactly right George. Same as soldering a leak free tank, bending wire, bending sheet metal or covering with silk.
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 07:12:41 PM »
Chris, there is one other thing my grandfather taught me that is important. When you get to the end of a stroke you must resist the urge to kind of roll the blade in the anticipation of flipping it over to do the other side. Must stay flat as long as contact is made.

Yes, yes, yes, that is Correct and EXTREEAMLY important!  Notice I say to make a dozen or so strokes, I should have added "on the same side".
Thanks for adding that Robert.  Nice catch, your granddad taught you right.
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 07:17:26 PM »
Funny but true - My Dad shaved with a straight razor longer than anyone I ever knew of, and that's exactly how he'd sharpen them, on a long two sided leather strap (which also went across my back side on occasion, ouch!) I'll never forget camping as a kid, we'd go into the KOA public rest room at the sinks, Dad would take out the straight razor and people would spread out quick or leave fast, heh heh... He shaved me once when he taught me to shave with that thing. You can bet I sat frozen still as a glacier! All his cutlery knives were always sharp, he hated stainless and most were blued steel of some sort. I sure miss Pop these days...

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 07:43:23 PM »
I've even been known to use my "steel" to dress them up for a quick cut or two...

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 07:52:27 PM »
Chris, there is one other thing my grandfather taught me that is important. When you get to the end of a stroke you must resist the urge to kind of roll the blade in the anticipation of flipping it over to do the other side. Must stay flat as long as contact is made.

If you watch a barber use a strop, most will roll the razor on it's back to turn it over. This will prevent raising the edge.

I personally do not use a loose strop. I use leather mounted on a narrow piece of board and or on the back of a diamond stone. I charge them with aluminum oxide most of the time, but also use other compound grades like ZAM.

BTW, note that a razor is shaped differently than most knife blades in that is hollow ground and is sharpened completely flat. This type edge is great for beards but has too little support for wood.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 08:44:51 PM »
I resharpened #11's for years. Some of them got pretty small, actually. I don't have any recent production ones.  ;D

86 the Xacto #11's and get the #28 Martor blades (click the link). The 100-count package is a bit of an investment, but you won't be sorry. They are Solingen Steel, hecho en Germany. The GOOD chit!   H^^ Steve
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 09:10:21 PM »
Did someone decide to try and "child proof" the ol' #11? :'(
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2009, 01:25:17 PM »
I used the word Xacto more as a adjative to describe the #11 blade than as a noun to describe a particular.  I only point this out because Xacto blades have become hard to find around here.  I now get my #11 blades at the same hardware store I got the stone from.  They do not carry Xacto blades and the hobby shop is short on real Xacto blades as well.  I hope Xacto is doing OK, the depression (Oh excuse me the recession) has been tough on many businesses. 

Anyway, great to know I am no alone in recycling #11 blades a common practice. :)
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2009, 06:20:09 PM »
I've kept a razor stone on my bench for more years than I can remember.  I just touch them up as needed till they break or the edge angle is too wide to sharpen any more.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2009, 07:58:03 PM »

//snip
86 the Xacto #11's and get the #28 Martor blades (click the link).  H^^ Steve
//snip//
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Mr. Steve, what did I do wrong?  The #28 in search results in a blade like a #11 Xacto.

86 results in something I don't have a clue about.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2009, 11:08:03 PM »
Mr. Steve, what did I do wrong?  The #28 in search results in a blade like a #11 Xacto.

86 results in something I don't have a clue about.

Thanks for any help.
Hoss, 86 used in Mr. Steve's context means "to throw out, or make them history".(86 was a bad year? we used to say "toss it"...)  :o

 The #28 replaces the #11.

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2009, 05:35:50 AM »
I wonder how they got the numbers for the shapes. I believe a number 10 scalpel is similar in shape to a #10 X-acto (real and generic).

With whittling and wood carving I use an assortment of knives in addition to my pocket knives and bench knives. The replaceable blade ones in the picture are made by Warren Cutlery, a company about 5 or 6 miles from here. Some blades are similar to X-Acto.

The two custom knives at the top are just two large Warren blades epoxied into handles that I made. That Scorp can REALLY hollow a block!  ;D

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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2009, 08:17:51 AM »
Try "demetech.us/blades.php".   Don't know about prices.  There is a phone number.  They are surgical suppliers.
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2009, 08:42:57 AM »
Hoss, 86 used in Mr. Steve's context means "to throw out, or make them history".(86 was a bad year? we used to say "toss it"...)  :o

 

Thanks Mr. Richard! I have never been good with the lingo-of-the-time.   :o

Heck, even '86 was a GREAT year for me.  I had just got back to the Republic after 30 years gone, the Pilot Strike at UAL was over, I was back working, senior enough to be able to easily commute to Denver for flying, and was enjoying the good life.

Thanks for the good words.  ;D
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Re: Re sharpen #11 Xacto blades
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2009, 10:23:54 AM »
Slightly off subject. But the term "to be 86'd" comes from a law in California pertaining to bars. The number, as I understand it, was an ordinance that had to do with behavior in a public place or bar, etc. Goes back to the 40's. D>K

Pretty interesting Ty!  D>K

A little more off topic trivia, one of Wikipedia's definition of "86'd"-
"In American English, the number 86 used as a verb, to "eighty-six," means to "ignore" or "get rid of". The first recorded usage of this term occurs in the mid-1930s. There are many theories of the origin of this usage, most pertain either to death or to prohibition."

Origin
"Of the explanations pertaining to prohibition, one is a reference to Article 86 of the New York state liquor code which defines the circumstances in which a bar patron should be refused service or "86ed".[citation needed] Others have suggested that this usage originated from the famous Delmonico's Restaurant in New York City, as item number 86 on their menu, their house steak, often ran out during the 19th century.[citation needed] However, there is no recorded usage of this term in the nineteenth century. Yet another explanation is that Chumley's, which was a famous 1900s New York speakeasy, is located at 86 Bedford Street.[citation needed] During Prohibition, an entrance through an interior adjoining courtyard was used, as it provided privacy and discretion for customers. As was a New York tradition, the cops were on the payroll of the bar and would give a ring to the bar that they were coming for a raid. The bartender would then give the command "86 everybody!", which meant that everyone should hightail it out the 86 Bedford entrance because the cops were coming in through the courtyard door."

OK,So much for 86ing those dull blades!  LL~

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