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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Howard Rush on September 01, 2021, 01:14:13 PM
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I am involved with a strange project with a very eccentric person. We need a photo of both sides (if it is printed on both sides) of an inspection chit from a Sterling kit. Please take photo alongside a ruler for scale. Thanks.
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Does your eccentric friend's name rhyme with "coward mush"? n~
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No. It sorta rhymes with kimchi.
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I photographed two pictures as you requested, but, they are not recognised by my PC. I do notice that all parts in the kit have been carefully checked against original defects in materials and worksmanship by inspector #2 on assembly line #5. Also a service charge of 25 cents must be included for postage and handling of any claim.
Oops, this is an unconditional guarantee form, not what you asked for....forgive me,
dale g
fwiw: It measures 5.25x3.37inches
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I didn't know Sterling made kits. There must be some mistake. n1
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What luck! The very inspector and assembly line, mention of whom and which, respectfully, I am looking.
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I photographed two pictures as you requested, but, they are not recognised by my PC. I do notice that all parts in the kit have been carefully checked against original defects in materials and worksmanship by inspector #2 on assembly line #5. Also a service charge of 25 cents must be included for postage and handling of any claim.
Oops, this is an unconditional guarantee form, not what you asked for....forgive me,
dale g
fwiw: It measures 5.25x3.37inches
That is exactly the form that we (and by we, I mean Howard and some eccentric person) are looking for. Did you take the photo with your phone? If so. I can give you my cell number and you could send it to me....oops, I mean to some eccentric person that Howard and I know.
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Amazed to learn that Sterling had any QC at all. Hard to believe that I'm saying this, but IMO, their kits were even worse than Berkley kits. That aside, I'm suspecting that Howard and Jimby are printing bogus inspection tickets to be sold on eBay. VD~ Steve
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Captain,
Upon reflection, the eccentric person--let's just call him "UJ"-- would appreciate the physical loan of that form, assuming it does mention inspector 2 assembly line number 5. Please send it to him or to me, and we'll send it right back.
"UJ" was Churchill's and Roosevelt's code name for Stalin (Uncle Joe). Our UJ is different and not as mean.
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...I'm suspecting that Howard and Jimby are printing bogus inspection tickets to be sold on eBay.
No, it's crazier than that.
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Interesting. The slip in my Jr. Ringmaster kit is also inspector 2 line 5.
Mark Gerber
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That's the one we're looking for. UJ only had a later version from a more recent kit. Inspector 2 had retired by then, and the service charge went up to an outrageous 50 cents.
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Your captain is humbled to play such a small part in correcting this outrageous ploy to foster monetary gain. Fie on them, say I! Fie! Fie!
The document will be mailed on the morrow to Stunt Manor.
dale g
Wait, hold on just a second...are we trampling the father of stunt, Matt Kania? "Fellows, this is my best design to date". Recall, I AM a "Master of the Ring", a staunch advocate of all things Sterling. Let us tread softly.
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Interesting. The slip in my Jr. Ringmaster kit is also inspector 2 line 5.
Hmmmm..... now I need to see if I have any Sterling kits in my stache (stash?) and what its slip says.
Considering the very high quality (not!) of Sterling kits I'm wondering if there was only Inspector 2 Line 5 and this was done to make it appear like they had a bunch of lines and inspectors? Maybe truth in labeling would reveal only 1 inspector (if even that) on 1 line?
Obviously the balsa inspector separating out the Louisville Slugger blanks was asleep on the job!
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"Inspector #2, Line #5" implies that they had more than one inspector and at least 5 "Inspector Lines". That seems like a lot considering reports of balsa not suitable for any flying model. What were the inspectors looking for?
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Sterling's kits might have been crude, but they were miles ahead of Girard!
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Interesting. The slip in my Jr. Ringmaster kit is also inspector 2 line 5.
I sure hope no one is suggesting that the "inspection certificates" were not entirely what they seemed!
Bret
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You mean you couldn’t get in the top 5 at the Nats with a stock S1 original Ringmaster from the kit? I am shocked, really shocked to learn this. VD~
Next thing you will probably say is that the Fox 35 is no longer a contender. I am devastated by these revolting developments.
What next, monoline was never adapted as the ultimate control system? Dale Kirn would turn over in his grave! n1
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You mean you couldn’t get in the top 5 at the Nats with a stock S1 original Ringmaster from the kit? I am shocked, really shocked to learn this. VD~
Next thing you will probably say is that the Fox 35 is no longer a contender. I am devastated by these revolting developments.
What next, monoline was never adapted as the ultimate control system? Dale Kirn would turn over in his grave! n1
Actually, I have seen his son, Joe, fly a complete pattern with a Monoline model.
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Remember the "Zeroette"? Monoline stunt ship. Quite attractive! Would be fun to build one someday.
Someday.... :P
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I have to admit, the Ringmaster S-1 design has won many a contest. I have built 2 or 3, but I changed construction to make it light.
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Intresting enough, George Aldrich hated Ringmasters and Barnstormers.
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You kids are spoiled today with the lazer cut kits, engines ready to bolt in place and covering that illiminates the smell of dope. Yes the die cutting cutting may have been a little poor as som of the later kits came off the line. But try a printed kit on wood that you had to cut and sand. D>K
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Being a young buck, back in the mid 1960's, I built a number of Comet stick and tissue kits that had printed wood. As an 11 YO, I built Ed Lidgard's 32" Sparky. Also, their P-51 A or B turtle deck was print wood. It was one of my best fliers, because it was framed light, compared with Guillows, that used more wood. They required more time to cut out the parts, but they went together fairly quick. I'd cut out all ribs, frame the wing, cut out all formers, frame the fuselage, etc.
The latest kits including a couple Brodak's I have are all die cut. The later kits are better prefabbed, but being older in my age, costs are no longer an objection as they were when I was younger. Then, there was so much competition that kits, although in some ways inferior, were well within budget for an adolescent. The later Scientific, Top Flite and Dumas half-A CL kits were still well within budget for a high schooler back in the late 1960's early 1970's.
I don't see spoiled versus unspoiled, but rather that with less prefabbing, there is more personal labor involved. I enjoy the die and laser cutting, because they do simplify the work required, go together quicker. But in the past, having to mucilage glue paper patterns to balsa sheets, then cut out to scratch build from plans, although time consuming was still satisfying.
Just depends what one wants to do.
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You kids are spoiled today with the lazer cut kits, engines ready to bolt in place and covering that illiminates the smell of dope. Yes the die cutting cutting may have been a little poor as som of the later kits came off the line. But try a printed kit on wood that you had to cut and sand. D>K
Amen to that Doc. And try to do it with a single edge razor blade! (Like we did waaaaay back when! LOL!)
Cheers, Jerry
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Actually, I have seen his son, Joe, fly a complete pattern with a Monoline model.
And I saw Dale fly three (3) consecutive patterns on one tank of fuel with a Monoline Baby Flite Streak at a Kansas City contest in 1960 or '61.
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Ummm, I feel like an idiot. Is the OP trying to determine how many inspectors/lines worked at Sterling's QC? Clearly, I'm missing something. Enough that I want to go open my still-shrink-wrapped P-61 Black Widow.
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Considering the very high quality (not!) of Sterling kits I'm wondering if there was only Inspector 2 Line 5 and this was done to make it appear like they had a bunch of lines and inspectors? Maybe truth in labeling would reveal only 1 inspector (if even that) on 1 line?
Obviously the balsa inspector separating out the Louisville Slugger blanks was asleep on the job!
"Inspector #2, Line #5" implies that they had more than one inspector and at least 5 "Inspector Lines". That seems like a lot considering reports of balsa not suitable for any flying model.
Did a swarm of killer bees fly out when you took the lid off your Polish Fighter kit? Was there a baggie of anthrax in your Flying Fool? You may owe your long lives to Inspector #2, Assembly Line #5.
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You kids are spoiled today with the lazer cut kits, engines ready to bolt in place and covering that illiminates the smell of dope. Yes the die cutting cutting may have been a little poor as som of the later kits came off the line. But try a printed kit on wood that you had to cut and sand. D>K
I actually preferred the printwood kits from Comet -- there's no way to fix die-crunched; when it's printwood, you're responsible for the quality of the cutting.
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Ummm, I feel like an idiot. Is the OP trying to determine how many inspectors/lines worked at Sterling's QC? Clearly, I'm missing something.
No, a completely different project. Besides, based on the results, we all know how many QC inspectors worked at Sterling.
Brett
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Did a swarm of killer bees fly out when you took the lid off your Polish Fighter kit? Was there a baggie of anthrax in your Flying Fool?
No, but I did die a little inside when I saw the wood.
Brett
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Yeah, my Ringmaster fuselage did double duty: little league bat and hammer.
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Yeah, my Ringmaster fuselage did double duty: little league bat and hammer.
For almost $3, I expect a premium product!
Brett
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For almost $3, I expect a premium product!
Absolutely! And not only that, it can be used to wack moles and fend off Antifa rioters!
A real bargain I'd say!
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Absolutely! And not only that, it can be used to wack moles and fend off Antifa rioters!
I thought that is what a Fox .15X swinging in a long sock was for! Adds a new meaning to hurl! %^@
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Have any of you flown against Joe Gilbert and his Ringmaster?
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Crickets....
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Crickets....
Don't feed the troll.
Brett
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Why Brett,
You were happily trashing Sterling, and when someone answers back you call them a troll.
Shame on you!
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Why Brett,
You were happily trashing Sterling, and when someone answers back you call them a troll.
Shame on you!
Do you understand "jokes"? The dictionary might help you out there.
Trying to start something between Joe and I is a dead end - I have the utmost respect for Joe and his skills, he is the nicest guy in the world, and we are perfectly fine. We certainly aren't going to get into a conflict over third-party keyboard warriors.
No sale, stalker.
Brett
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Ahh.. Brett,
I wasn't trying to start something between you and Joe, and YOU know it. You can't stand to be called out and told you are wrong. If anyone disagrees with you, you attack them.
You should do some self reflection, but you aren't gonna do that. But ...If you did some self reflection, you would decide that you were right all along.
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Holy Moly!!!!!
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Holy Moly!!!!!
De thinks he has some sort of a grudge against me. I have no idea why, as far as I know, I have never passed a single word with him. Nuts.
Brett
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Criminy.
It's difficult to believe that mentioning Sterling's legendary balsa selection could ruffle anyone's feathers.
We refer to it as teak-balsa. From the Guillow's Teak-Balsa Plantation that Amelia Earhart and her consort Jim Morrison were managing.
Getting upset by good-natured jibing is just silly.
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Criminy.
It's difficult to believe that mentioning Sterling's legendary balsa selection could ruffle anyone's feathers.
We refer to it as teak-balsa. From the Guillow's Teak-Balsa Plantation that Amelia Earhart and her consort Jim Morrison were managing.
Getting upset by good-natured jibing is just silly.
You note is it only when *I* did it. De went apesh*t on me one time *when I was telling him he was absolutely right* and that *he had an excellent point* that I later took up with PAMPA - even when he wasn't a PAMPA member. Because he really did have a good point and his criticism, even as a non-member, was perfectly valid. It was all posted here Made no difference, he continued to abuse me and argue. He later also *deleted the posts* so now he will come back and call me a *liar* - again. I have *a lot of faults*, lying is not among them!
Brett
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Brett, Brett, Bett.
This whole shebang started when I made a couple of true statements you called me a troll. I didn't appreciate it, and I reacted. Then you started telling me that I was trying to cause trouble between you and Joe. That was not and is not true.
Now you are playing the victim card, and that's funny!
If you insult someone and they react negatively to it, that doesn't make you a victim.
Don't insult people and they won't insult you.
As for that pampa story you were telling, that wasn't me. I have a lot of faults also, but lying isn't one of them.
I will repeat an earlier statement: you don't seem to be able to admit being wrong.
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I will have to admit that I was rather disappointed (after hearing all the horror stories) when I built a Sterling P-51 profile a few years ago. All the pieces went together perfectly, including the plywood elevator horn. I suppose it was a bit heavy, but with whatever motor I had, it still made a fine practice plane before I could get through the pattern. Perhaps if I built it again I'd notice more problems, but it seemed to go together as well as the twister I built a few weeks later.
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I will have to admit that I was rather disappointed (after hearing all the horror stories) when I built a Sterling P-51 profile a few years ago. All the pieces went together perfectly, including the plywood elevator horn. I suppose it was a bit heavy, but with whatever motor I had, it still made a fine practice plane before I could get through the pattern. Perhaps if I built it again I'd notice more problems, but it seemed to go together as well as the twister I built a few weeks later.
They were not unique - some of the Jetco kits I have had were no better, even some later CG RC kits I build (like the Falcon 56) - all pretty much the same. But the level worst were (as Doc alluded to earlier) some of the 30's printwood kits. I have a Cleveland "Playboy Senior" kit that could have been made from red oak, not just the strips, but the ribs, etc. And there were *a lot* of them. Expecting a 11-year-old to hack one of those out with a broken-in-half double-edged razor blade was a big ask, not to mention cleaning up the blood. You really had to want to fly model airplanes back then.
Brett
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Back to the subject....I have an early Sterling kit, the F-51, which is complete with an unconditional guarantee inspected by I2AL5, and of course, Matt Kania's portrait on the box and plans, complete with pompadour.... (strikingly handsome, wouldn't you agree?)
Then, opening a latter kit, the P-51, no quality check sheet and no Matt Kania! Instead the cartoon dude flying left-handed, elbow bent 90 degrees, waist-high horizontal handle. Flat-top vs elegant pompadour.
This same lefty pilot is featured on the Sterling SkyShark kit which contained the I2AL5 document. If anyone has difficulty recalling the SkyShark kit, it has numerous referrals to 'Team Deer Park' who campaigned this Carrier plane so successfully.
dg
Yes, it seems Howard is involved in a very peculiar project...
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Yep....replaced Matt Kania with some lefty. That's when everything started going down hill... ;D
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Would you buy a used Ringmaster from this man?
Or this man?
The choice is clear.