Author Topic: Peacemaker (Read 14313 times)

bob whitney · « **on:** April 07, 2020, 12:47:51 PM »

Topflite Peacemaker by Aldrich

has anyone built one ,if so how did it fly and what motor

BillP · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2020, 01:04:15 PM »

Are you talking the Supeform fuselage or whatever it was called? If so yes I built one back in the day and flew it with a Fox 35. If memory is right it flew like a flight streak.

Trostle · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2020, 01:58:56 PM »

Quote from: bob whitney on April 07, 2020, 12:47:51 PM

Topflite Peace Maker by Aldrich

what motor

Some people with diesel experience might want to put a diesel in it like George did.

Keith

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2020, 02:37:57 PM »

I think Larry Fernandez or Clint Omrosen or one of the west coast guys built one and did a thread on it in fairly recent history. It was a Top Flite kit, offered as plans on both M.A.N. and in Aeromodeler in England. Search the name as one word, "Peacemaker" and see what you can come up with. Mike Griffon did a kit run of them also. I have a Top Flite kit and plans and it is on my list.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

goozgog · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2020, 04:27:35 PM »

The profile version was very popular
in Britain using .15 diesels.
They smell wonderful !

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2020, 04:33:22 PM »

Dan is correct, I produced the Profile Peacemaker a few years back. It is a very simple kit and goes together quickly. It has been a long time since I did it but it sold very well. I understand it is a great flying little plane.

Mike

Dan Berry · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2020, 04:45:28 PM »

A question:
Besides rounded tips and wider fixed flaps is the Peacemaker actually different than a Flight Streak?

L0U CRANE · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2020, 06:55:06 PM »

I have the MAN mag article for GMA's version.

It relied on a Brit Oliver Tiger 2.5 (.15 CI) diesel mounted upright. In his (?)MAN article, he suggested substituting a .19 to .29 glow, if you ihad to, and fuselage adjustments to suit..

He also pushed using "?nylon" horn bushings to eliminate slop. Interesting article. I think - haven't checked - I have the article as a .pdf. If so, I could try to 'attach' it to email to you on request. Film at 11:00...

So, there were at least 3 Peacemakers: TF kit, Aeromodeller article feature and the MAN article feature.. (an mebbe a brit kit to one of these versions.) IMHO, the MAN version is the most attractive. A few have appeared at Tucson VSC's over the years - scores depended on the fliers, not necessarily the model... (as ever...)

Lemme kno....

Chris Cox · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2020, 07:22:43 PM »

Tim Tipton had a very nice Peacemaker at the VSC a few weeks ago. Rather than IC, Tim elected to electrify his model. He used a BadAss 2814-870kv motor for power. Joe Gilbert Did the initial test flight. It looked great in the air. Wings very close to level and lap times very close to ideal. Tim’s wife, Ronda, was a nervous wreck when the fight took place. Fittingly, Joe decided to play it safe and other than a few mild wing overs, he did not do any stunts.

BillP · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2020, 08:21:41 PM »

The one I had was a TF kit and full fuselage with the molded balsa fuse shell. Bought it at the local hobby shop sometime around the late 60s.

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2020, 08:51:50 PM »

I forgot to specify that there were two Peacemakers, one a profile and the other a full fuselage model. Aeromodeler published both I think, and M.A.N. just did the full fuselage airplane which is much larger. All the articles were authored by George Aldrich, I believe. But Lou says he has a M.A.N article on the profile? I'll have to look that up. The profile reminds me of the JR Flite Streak.. The full fuse model is the one I prefer.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

bob whitney · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2020, 09:56:27 PM »

LOU, thanks, I have the MAN Peacemaker article and the kit RAD

bob whitney · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2020, 10:39:56 PM »

Dan, the kit and MAN plans Ribs are 6 3/8 x1 3/8, just the rib, no leading or trailing edge

the flight streak rib is 8 5/8 x 1 1/2

Jared Hays · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2020, 02:16:54 AM »

My dad built two full bodied kits way back in the day, He said the fuselages were the most difficult fuselages he ever built. But they flew alright. He sold both of them to a guy in Des Moines Iowa a couple years ago now.

Trostle · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2020, 02:30:24 AM »

Peacemaker plans and articles:

Top Flight kit: I had a kit with the molded shells but do not recall the copyright date on the plans.

Model Airplane construction article by George Aldrich: April 1960, built up fuselage, semi-span flaps.

Aeromodeller construction article by George Aldrich: February 1958, profile, fixed flaps, 36" span according to Dave Day's listing of Classic designs. The article is titled Combat in the USA where Aldrich explains the "Basic Rules for Combat" which appear to be from the AMA rule book. This appears to be the forerunner of the Flight Streak.

Aeromodeller construction article by John Stroud: January 1982, same plans as the 1958 Aeromodeller article but the 1982 article has some suggested wing structural changes.

Aeromodeller construction article by Ian Peacock: October 1991, Mini Peacemaker, 28" span, profile, for 1.5cc motors, profile. Full size plans in the magazine.

Aviation Modelling International by Ian Peacock: January 1997, same plans as published in Model Airplane News, plans provided in the magazine. Article shows a newly constructed model as well as a photograph of Aldrich with his model in 1958.

Keith

Keith Renecle · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2020, 04:18:56 AM »

Hi Guys,

The Peacemaker profile for the small engines is a great model. I've flown a few and one of them with a MVVS .15 diesel was most likely the nicest. The plan is on Outerzone here:

https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=163

The bigger version with built-up fuselage is here:

https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=6455

Most of George Aldrich designs are worth building!

Keith R

John Park · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2020, 04:39:39 AM »

The "AeroModeller" Peacemaker (span quoted on the plan as 36 1/2") was a revelation to us teenage C/L fliers in England. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow a friend's AM35 diesel (that's 3.5cc, or 0.21 cu. in.), and built a Peacemaker for it - my first seriously aerobatic C/L model. I made an appalling job of building it (see picture of the unfinished model), but at least it was light and let me fly my first eights and overheads. I built many over the years, my latest having a PAW 2.49 diesel, and also several of the two commercial Flite Streak clones (KeilKraft Gazelle and FROG Talisman) that soon appeared for the popular 1.5cc diesels. I crashed these with monotonous regularity until I could finally fly inverted. Build the Peacemaker to 16-17 oz. and you'll have a fine model.

C.T. Schaefer · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2020, 04:51:39 AM »

Bob, This is a bit off topic but I built the BRODAK version and have been quite happy with it. B-25 with a weight of about 25 oz. I have flown it locally in PA and at Brodak in Classic. TS

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2020, 06:43:29 AM »

Bob,
This ship would be a great fit for a PAW 19BB diesel.

Best, DennisT

John Park · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2020, 07:15:05 AM »

Quote from: Dennis Toth on April 08, 2020, 06:43:29 AM

This ship would be a great fit for a PAW 19BB diesel.

The PAWs are great if sidewinder-mounted, but can have something resembling a 'Fox burp' if mounted upright or inverted. I was unable to get a usable motor run with a PAW .19 in a KeilKraft Spectre, and had to replace it with a McCoy .19. PAW manufacturer Tony Eifflaender's 'Freebird' series, with PAW .35 diesels, had the same trouble and Mk. 4 had to be changed from an inverted to a sidewinder installation to cure it.

Dan Berry · « **Reply #20 on:** April 08, 2020, 07:15:56 AM »

Quote from: bob whitney on April 07, 2020, 10:39:56 PM

Dan, the kit and MAN plans Ribs are 6 3/8 x1 3/8, just the rib, no leading or trailing edge

the flight streak rib is 8 5/8 x 1 1/2

I understand that it's smaller than a regular Flight Streak. Maybe closer to a Jr Streak.
I cannot be the only one who simply sees a slightly modified Flight Streak when looking at a picture.

Jim Carter · « **Reply #21 on:** April 08, 2020, 10:40:58 AM »

Hey Bob! I build a couple of them back in 2016 (the one Keith referenced https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=163). One is powered with an OS .10 and the other an OS .15 and I've flown both of them a number of times and had a ball. The .10 is great for a beginner on say their 3rd or 4th flight building experience and learning how to avoid dizziness. The .15 will carry them through the Basic Pattern. They're still hanging on the rack with the rest of my squadron waiting for new students!!

john e. holliday · « **Reply #22 on:** April 08, 2020, 10:53:07 AM »

I have the British profile version built using the short kit from England. Has Rivers 2.5 diesel on it that I trying to get used to running diesels again. There should be a picture of it on the forum I posted several years ago. Need to get it out more but things happen. Oh I picked up the Top Flite kit at a swap meet some time ago.

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #23 on:** April 08, 2020, 11:33:23 AM »

When the weather dictates me to be in the basement again for an extended period of time, I'm going to see what I've got. I pretty sure I have a set of plans for the full fuselage version that has an drawing of a Colt .45 Peacemaker drawn on it, and it may be the Aeromodeler plan.I need to find the kit also. I just haven't had the time to get down there yet. The full fuse version would be great on a FP/LA.25
Hey doc, if you want to sell or trade that kit you have, let me know.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

bob whitney · « **Reply #24 on:** April 08, 2020, 11:34:28 AM »

Quote from: Dan Berry on April 08, 2020, 07:15:56 AM

I understand that it's smaller than a regular Flight Streak. Maybe closer to a Jr Streak.
I cannot be the only one who simply sees a slightly modified Flight Streak when looking at a picture.

u are right ,anyone who grew up with the Flightsreak would say oh ,just a modified F/S

bob whitney · « **Reply #25 on:** April 08, 2020, 11:47:28 AM »

Hey guys what an amazing thread .seems to have brought back a lot of memories about a plane you don't hear much about

I don't think I ever saw one in real life but just the idea that it was made for a 2.5 diesel has my juices flowing

thanks for the PAW info .the 2.5 was on my list. maybe I can talk MR Scale out of one of his Oliver Tigre's from his collection

lets see, PAW .061 D mini king, new 35D powers Big Job now 2.5D powered Peacemaker,need more D Fuel

Dan Berry · « **Reply #26 on:** April 08, 2020, 12:41:05 PM »

Quote from: bob whitney on April 08, 2020, 11:34:28 AM

u are right ,anyone who grew up with the Flightsreak would say oh ,just a modified F/S

I was just wondering if he just made some very minor tweaks and sold it as a new design.

paw080 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 08, 2020, 02:03:57 PM »

Quote from: Dennis Toth on April 08, 2020, 06:43:29 AM

Bob,
This ship would be a great fit for a PAW 19BB diesel.

Best, DennisT

Hi Dennis,

The English Peacemaker is too small for the Paw 19BB. I and others have flown full sized Flite Streaks
using this engine. I have flown an All American Senior powered by a left-hand crank Paw 19BB. Those that run
the Paw 19BB know that with a 9x6 prop, the Paw is nearly equal in power to a Fox Stunt 35! The Fox will out pull
the Paw 19BB if you switch props to a 10x6 however. The real problem now with using diesel engines is locating
good diesel fuel. Tony G

GERALD WIMMER · « **Reply #28 on:** April 08, 2020, 02:42:03 PM »

Hello
The the best power plant for a small 36"profile Peacemaker seems to be a OS LA or FP 15 going off how well they perform but again I have seen them fly well with a PAW 19 or light 19-25 glow but a LA25 is just too much power and nose weight with the factory muffler (picture attached is model I was given for my sons to fly with this set up built many years ago but with a re-power).
I like the PAW 19's and have 4 of them but found a standard 19DS is nowhere as good a performer as a 19TBR version in both starting and power. The PAW 19 on a combat wing is slower then a Thunder Tiger or Magnum 15 or even a LA15 running on a bladder as I have consistently found flying combat .
Have many of the PAW 09's for 1/2 combat, phantom racing (we have 5 Phantoms) and small stunters like the Airsail Showman and they are really nice running engines and when used without a muffler are very light.
I started building a built up Peacemaker the 42" version for a PAW19TBR but was concerned it would not perform properly with the engine upright with the muffler on, required to fly it in stunt so it sits while I contemplate.
Regards Gerald

Terrence Durrill · « **Reply #29 on:** April 08, 2020, 04:30:12 PM »

Quote from: Dan Berry on April 07, 2020, 04:45:28 PM

A question:
Besides rounded tips and wider fixed flaps is the Peacemaker actually different than a Flight Streak?

No, it is the same airplane with minimal appearance differences.

Jim Carter · « **Reply #30 on:** April 09, 2020, 08:43:20 AM »

Quote from: bob whitney on April 08, 2020, 11:47:28 AM

Hey guys what an amazing thread .seems to have brought back a lot of memories about a plane you don't hear much about

I don't think I ever saw one in real life but just the idea that it was made for a 2.5 diesel has my juices flowing

thanks for the PAW info .the 2.5 was on my list. maybe I can talk MR Scale out of one of his Oliver Tigre's from his collection

lets see, PAW .061 D mini king, new 35D powers Big Job now 2.5D powered Peacemaker,need more D Fuel

Hey Bob! Back when I built mine, I was trying to find an eligible candidate for the Britplan contest that was being hosted on one of the RC Groups Forums. So, I kept a log of my build and the associated research for the project. Here's an extract of what I posted from my build log:

"Awhile back, I headed for my workshop where I did a little surfing on the Outer Zone Plans website (https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1633). I’ve been really impressed with this site for the enormous collection of model plans. I decided to download, print and then tape the plans for the model called the PEACEMAKER. It was a .15 - .19 stunt trainer similar to the FLITE STREAK. As such, I felt it should go together pretty easily. According to some information I found on the internet during my research of this model, I had heard of the US variant that was published in 1959 according to a bio of George Aldrich published in the AMA files stating: “George Aldrich wrote an article for Aeromodeller in February 1958 for what he called the Peacemaker which was profile”.
(https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/AldrichGeorgeM.pdf) but I never knew of this one that was published in the British plans files.

Apparently, there was a full fuselage variant kitted by Top Flite. After doing a bit of searching across the internet, I found some interesting tidbits. According to one source there was a Model Airplane News article published in April 1960. In addition, the plans were published in the 1961 Model Airplane News Annual showing the use of an Oliver Tiger 2.5cc diesel engine. Unfortunately, I had no luck finding copies of these articles. Nevertheless, I was able to verify that it was eligible for the RC Groups BritPlan contest so I figured I’d build one for the contest."

It would be neat to try one with a diesel engine except I have none nor any experience with running then properly

Billy Fields · « **Reply #31 on:** April 09, 2020, 12:18:07 PM »

Quote from: Jim Carter on April 09, 2020, 08:43:20 AM

Hey Bob! Back when I built mine, I was trying to find an eligible candidate for the Britplan contest that was being hosted on one of the RC Groups Forums. So, I kept a log of my build and the associated research for the project. Here's an extract of what I posted from my build log:

"Awhile back, I headed for my workshop where I did a little surfing on the Outer Zone Plans website (https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1633). I’ve been really impressed with this site for the enormous collection of model plans. I decided to download, print and then tape the plans for the model called the PEACEMAKER. It was a .15 - .19 stunt trainer similar to the FLITE STREAK. As such, I felt it should go together pretty easily. According to some information I found on the internet during my research of this model, I had heard of the US variant that was published in 1959 according to a bio of George Aldrich published in the AMA files stating: “George Aldrich wrote an article for Aeromodeller in February 1958 for what he called the Peacemaker which was profile”.
(https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/AldrichGeorgeM.pdf) but I never knew of this one that was published in the British plans files.

Apparently, there was a full fuselage variant kitted by Top Flite. After doing a bit of searching across the internet, I found some interesting tidbits. According to one source there was a Model Airplane News article published in April 1960. In addition, the plans were published in the 1961 Model Airplane News Annual showing the use of an Oliver Tiger 2.5cc diesel engine. Unfortunately, I had no luck finding copies of these articles. Nevertheless, I was able to verify that it was eligible for the RC Groups BritPlan contest so I figured I’d build one for the contest."

It would be neat to try one with a diesel engine except I have none nor any experience with running then properly

Jimmy my PAW 19 is begging for a air frame. This might be the one. you think I can barrow your plans?

Jim Carter · « **Reply #32 on:** April 09, 2020, 05:01:18 PM »

Quote from: Billy Fields

Jimmy my PAW 19 is begging for a air frame. This might be the one. you think I can barrow your plans?

Heck yeah! Not a problem as long as you can trade for some toilet paper!!

(Jus' kiddin' bud, jus' kiddin')!! When do you want them?

Billy Fields · « **Reply #33 on:** April 09, 2020, 06:04:21 PM »

Quote from: Jim Carter on April 09, 2020, 05:01:18 PM

Heck yeah! Not a problem as long as you can trade for some toilet paper!! (Jus' kiddin' bud, jus' kiddin')!! When do you want them?

I will give you a call tomorrow.

John Park · « **Reply #34 on:** April 10, 2020, 05:10:19 AM »

Quote from: paw080 on April 08, 2020, 02:03:57 PM

The English Peacemaker is too small for the Paw 19BB.

I wouldn't say so myself. British combat rules, when GMA designed the profile Peacemaker for AeroModeller magazine, specified 3.5cc (.21 cu. in.) as the maximum allowed capacity. My first Peacemaker had an Allen-Mercury AM35, and the Amco 35 was also used - as were, if you had the money, the Veco .19 and even the gorgeous Oliver Tiger Major, which I'm sure was every bit as powerful as the current PAW .19. Admittedly, the PAW .19 is more powerful than the Schnuerle-ported 2.49 Mk. 4 in my current Peacemaker, but not to a great extent. If I replaced the 2.49 by a .19, I'd simply swap the current 52 ft.lines for a set of 55-56 footers.

Trostle · « **Reply #35 on:** April 10, 2020, 01:07:05 PM »

It would be more clear when writing about these Peacemakers if the model being mentioned is the full fuselage version (kit, Model Airplane News, and the later Aviation Modeller International) or the profile version published in Aeromodeller.

Keith

Jim Carter · « **Reply #36 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on April 10, 2020, 01:07:05 PM

It would be more clear when writing about these Peacemakers if the model being mentioned is the full fuselage version (kit, Model Airplane News, and the later Aviation Modeller International) or the profile version published in Aeromodeller.

Keith

No problem for me! The one I was writing about was the British plan which was a 36-1/2" wingspan profile version. Hope this helps clarify

Serge_Krauss · « **Reply #37 on:** April 12, 2020, 09:25:54 AM »

Interesting thread...I have always thought that the Peacemaker was less similar to the Flite Streak than most think here, and in wing plan form it is (see the photo), with much more taper and larger stationary-flap area. BUT, when I sat down last night to analyze it a bit further geometrically, I found that I really should expect them to fly similarly, as reported, especially if the Peacemaker were scaled up a bit from 36.5" to around the Flite Streak's 42".

FWIW, I calculated a larger wing area for the Streak than what's on the Top-Flite box lid: 411 in² vs 390 in². Using that 411 in² figure, I found the following:

Aspect Ratios: Peacemaker - 4.28, Flite Streak - 4.29
Outward position of aero center for each wing: Peacemaker - 46.3%, Flite Streak - 47.7% of half span

With all that taper, I expected the a.c. (position of MAC) to be more inboard for the Peacemaker, but they differ by only about 3%. If the Peacemaker were enlarged to the span of a Flite Streak, that would be only about .3".

I didn't look at tail moments. From wings alone though, these planes are very close. I still like the peacemaker wing better, though.

Well, as I said, this is just a FWIW from some guy who entertains himself with such musings.

Billy Fields · « **Reply #38 on:** April 12, 2020, 10:29:33 AM »

Im on day two of building my Peacemaker. I am lucky that a very kind fellow club member was willing to lend me his plans so I can scratch build it. James Carter thank you sir. I will be posting pictures some time today on control line flying on facebook. Its a simple fun build. Power will be a PAW 19.

bob whitney · « **Reply #39 on:** April 12, 2020, 10:40:18 AM »

the Kit plans state that the wing has a span of 46in and a wing area of 414 sq in

Serge_Krauss · « **Reply #40 on:** April 12, 2020, 11:20:06 AM »

Quote from: bob whitney on April 12, 2020, 10:40:18 AM

the Kit plans state that the wing has a span of 46in and a wing area of 414 sq in

Are we talking about the same kit? The Top flight ARF box say's 390 with a span of 42", which was the span I got off the internet. I computed my area from the plans (pretty close to that 414), and IF the wing is symmetrical about the fuselage, I got a span of 41 3/4". I figured that copying error probably caused it to be less than 42".

Trostle · « **Reply #41 on:** April 12, 2020, 12:21:24 PM »

Again, it helps to mention the airplane. There is the original Peacemaker (MAN plans and the Top Flight kit). Then, there was the profile Peacemaker (Aeromodeller) that is smaller than the original Peacemaker. Then there was the Flight Streak, a profile, larger than the profile Peacemaker that just looks like a slightly larger profile Peacemaker.

Keith

Jim Carter · « **Reply #42 on:** April 12, 2020, 12:22:59 PM »

Quote from: Billy Fields on April 12, 2020, 10:29:33 AM

Im on day two of building my Peacemaker. I am lucky that a very kind fellow club member was willing to lend me his plans so I can scratch build it. James Carter thank you sir. I will be posting pictures some time today on control line flying on facebook. Its a simple fun build. Power will be a PAW 19.

My friend, you are more than welcome! It's going to be kool seeing your interpretation of the design. Maybe we can "snooker" Bob into joining us for a few laps around the circle ... IF HE EVER COMMITS TO BUILDING ONE

!!

Jim

(P.S. Just to clarify: Billy and I are working with the British plan 36.5" wingspan.)

bob whitney · « **Reply #43 on:** April 12, 2020, 12:27:47 PM »

I am referring to the top flight peacemaker kit with the formed shell fuse

Larry Fernandez · « **Reply #44 on:** April 12, 2020, 10:58:42 PM »

Just to clear things up, the Peacemaker that Mr Whitney speaks of is the Top Flite kit with the “Super Form” fuselage shells. I built one of these back in the eighties and as Jared Hays mentioned, was a pain in the a$$ to build. The Peacemaker was featured in Model Airplane News, April 1960. The plan shows standard fuselage construction (no shells) and much easier to build. I built this version last year and it’s now ready for paint.
I could not find a copyright date on the plans or box, but I do know that it was kitted after the article.
Wing span is 46 inches with a wing area of 414 squares.
I tried to post pictures of the kit box and the fuselage shells but had no luck in doing so.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

BillP · « **Reply #45 on:** April 13, 2020, 12:27:40 PM »

Quote from: Serge_Krauss on April 12, 2020, 11:20:06 AM

Are we talking about the same kit? The Top flight ARF box say's 390 with a span of 42", which was the span I got off the internet. I computed my area from the plans (pretty close to that 414), and IF the wing is symmetrical about the fuselage, I got a span of 41 3/4". I figured that copying error probably caused it to be less than 42".

I don't think ARFs were invented when the TF super form kit was introduced. It was a 46" span.

Serge_Krauss · « **Reply #46 on:** April 13, 2020, 09:18:36 PM »

This ARF mirrors my Brodak kit for the Flite Streak, which as a profile was NOT a 46" span model. My plans for the original profile FS say 42" span.

https://brodak.com/control-line-kits/brodak/trainer/original-flite-streak-kit.html

https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=2652

Joe Gilbert · « **Reply #47 on:** April 13, 2020, 09:44:29 PM »

This is a half A Tim Tipton scratch built 8.5 oz he thinks it will fly very well.

John Park · « **Reply #48 on:** April 14, 2020, 02:09:57 AM »

Quote from: Joe Gilbert on April 13, 2020, 09:44:29 PM

This is a half A Tim Tipton scratch built 8.5 oz he thinks it will fly very well.

Half-A sized Peacemaker and Flite Streak clones, in the form of the KeilKraft Gazelle and FROG Talisman, were what numerous British teenagers in 1960 or thereabouts used for learning the basics of C/L stunt. You built a kit, flew it on lines made from a single 70 ft. spool of Light Laystrate, crashed it and repaired it until you couldn't repair it any more, thern scratch-built a replica from the plan. We all had 1cc or 1.5cc diesels made by Allen-Mercury, Davies Charlton or FROG, and when you crashed on a grass field the only part of the engine you ever broke was the NVA. (Sorry - we're on lockdown here and can't get out to fly, so nostalgia is all we've got at the moment!)

GregArdill · « **Reply #49 on:** April 14, 2020, 06:24:50 AM »

Over the years I've probably had 10 or more Profile version. Nice flying models, that need a healthy .15 for spirited performance.

At one stage I decided that a hybrid between the Peacemaker & a Russian combat model produced a really nice flying one. Powered by a Magnum .15

The perfect Peacemaker uses full length 1/4sq spars, giving a 42" span with the tail moment increased by an inch, Really makes for a dynamic model.