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Title: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 22, 2010, 11:52:35 PM: I understand that someone had a Paul Delgatto design B-25 Mitchell at VSC a while back, maybe like 4-6 years ago? Does anyone have any pictures of that model, or any other ones of that design? I've got the full size plans and copies of the old magazine article, but I'd really like to get a good look at a finished one.

Thanks! H^^
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 23, 2010, 05:41:16 AM: It was Leroy Black Jr. who built and flew the model. The plans are available through AMA in their plans department.

Allen Brickhaus
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Bill Little on November 23, 2010, 09:20:22 AM: HI Wayne,

I, too, would like to see pictures of a finished model (other than the ones in the magazine article). I still haven't totally figured out the "weighted aileron" on the outboard wing.

Thanks to Allen B. for helping me out on this project!

Big Bear
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 23, 2010, 05:54:26 PM: Quote from: Allen Brickhaus on November 23, 2010, 05:41:16 AM
It was Leroy Black Jr. who built and flew the model. The plans are available through AMA in their plans department.

Allen Brickhaus

Thanks Allen. I just sent Leroy a PM and an E-mail and asked him to jump in here.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Elwyn Aud on November 24, 2010, 05:53:27 PM: Found 1 pic.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 24, 2010, 09:06:02 PM: Thanks Elwyn. Is that Leroy's?
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Elwyn Aud on November 24, 2010, 09:16:03 PM: yep. I know I took a lot more but this is all i could find.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 24, 2010, 09:20:35 PM: 10-4. H^^
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Bill Little on November 25, 2010, 01:47:54 AM: Thanks for the pic, Elwyn!

Hopefully Leroy, or someone, will give us the details like engines used, weight, etc..

Big Bear
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 25, 2010, 12:19:47 PM: I see Leroy is here in the Members list but has no posts. How do we "roust" him out? :)
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 25, 2010, 01:00:04 PM: One of my flying buddies in Perryville MO built the model from plans when they first came out. It was powered by the same McCoy 19's as listed in the original model. I have four OS Max 20's with Byron Barker mods to fly one of these B-25's but the urge to build one yet has not reached an apex. I also have about three sets of cowls for the engines in the my collection. Any good stunt type .20 to .25 would work well.

Allen Brickhaus
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Serge_Krauss on November 25, 2010, 10:56:00 PM: Leroy Black's B-25 at VSC 14, 2002:

SK
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 26, 2010, 08:29:49 AM: Serge,

Thank you for posting those shots and reminding me which VSC Leroy brought the B-25 to fly. I will ask Charlie Reeves to allow me to copy and post his shot of Leroy and the B-25. I would like to build mine as Iron Laden Maiden which has the large Parrot head on the nose.

Allen Brickhaus
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Serge_Krauss on November 26, 2010, 10:48:18 AM: Allen-

I just checked back and noticed a typo, which I corrected. The picture was taken in 2002 at VSC 14, not 2001. 'sorry!

SK
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on November 26, 2010, 12:41:08 PM: Could someone scan the magazine article and post it? I would love to read it. H^^
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Serge_Krauss on November 26, 2010, 01:47:02 PM: This is the best I can d. I don't have the magazine, but here's the reduced plan from Tom Morris' book.

SK
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 26, 2010, 06:28:34 PM: Quote from: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on November 26, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
Could someone scan the magazine article and post it? I would love to read it. H^^

I bought my plans out of an assortment from someone at VSC in 2007. I've got copies of the mag article too but I have no way to scan it. I could make copies and mail it but honestly you won't get much out of it.

If it's any help here is one place to get it all, plans, mag article copy, the works:

http://cgi.ebay.com/CONTROL-LINE-SEMI-SCALE-STUNT-B25-NOTES-FULL-SIZE-PLAN-/260586872415?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cac301e5f

I recently got a couple smaller sets of plans for other models from this person and received excellent service. y1
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 27, 2010, 07:19:06 AM: This group is also handling several of my designs which Model Airplane News is no longer selling. The Pirata is one of them, and I will give them permission to also sell the Flying Red Horse, the Folkert's SK-4 and the Buccaneer 46 which are all Nostalgia legal. The Scimitar 560 was published in MAN in 1984 and will be Nostalgia legal within two years. It was built and flown in 1982. The Scimitar 560 was the last control line model published by MAN.

Allen Brickhaus
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: john e. holliday on November 27, 2010, 10:29:49 AM: Quote from: wwwarbird on November 25, 2010, 12:19:47 PM
I see Leroy is here in the Members list but has no posts. How do we "roust" him out? :)

Send him a PM. That is the way I contact people that don't answer E-Mails. Sometimes I think the inter-net thinks I am sending scam mail. S?P
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 28, 2010, 12:00:36 AM: Did that Doc and also sent him a straight up Email but haven't gotten any response.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 30, 2010, 08:38:37 AM: These next nine pictures are from Charlie Reeves' album from the 2001 VSC. Thank him when you see him.l

Allen Brickhaus
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 30, 2010, 08:41:14 AM: More shots from Charlie Reeves.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 30, 2010, 08:41:59 AM: B-25 continues.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 30, 2010, 08:46:16 AM: More on Leroy Black Jr's rendition of the del Gatto B-25.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 30, 2010, 08:48:00 AM: More on the B-25.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on November 30, 2010, 08:49:27 AM: Remember to Thank Leroy Black Jr for his building and painting skills and Charlie Reeves for his work to get these posted.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Wynn Robins on November 30, 2010, 04:08:54 PM: this is inspiring me to fix my one - I enlarged it to 72" .....the movers broke it - and that annoyed me - but I might just get back onto this one.

here is the article
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 30, 2010, 07:08:35 PM: Thank you very much Allen, and Charlie, these pics are just what I've been looking for. I've been wanting to see some good pics to help me get a better visual of the models proportions as it was designed, these are a big help. When the time comes I'll be designing my own, but it will end up being quite similar to the Delgatto design. It's got to have a gull wing though, which the Delgatto does not.

Now as for Wynn, blow the dust off that thing and get back to work! ;D :## VD~ S?P
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: PJ Rowland on November 30, 2010, 07:10:58 PM: Im waiting for another 4 engine job to be tackeled.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on November 30, 2010, 11:30:46 PM: Quote from: PJ Rowland on November 30, 2010, 07:10:58 PM
Im waiting for another 4 engine job to be tackeled.

Better get at it then PJ! ;D S?P
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Bill Little on December 01, 2010, 12:47:10 AM: Quote from: PJ Rowland on November 30, 2010, 07:10:58 PM
Im waiting for another 4 engine job to be tackeled.

How about a B-24? ??? :o ;D

Big Bear
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on December 01, 2010, 06:48:47 AM: Quote from: wwwarbird on November 30, 2010, 07:08:35 PM
Thank you very much Allen, and Charlie, these pics are just what I've been looking for. I've been wanting to see some good pics to help me get a better visual of the models proportions as it was designed, these are a big help. When the time comes I'll be designing my own, but it will end up being quite similar to the Delgatto design. It's got to have a gull wing though, which the Delgatto does not.

Now as for Wynn, blow the dust off that thing and get back to work! ;D :## VD~ S?P

Remember that this is Classic legal.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Allen Brickhaus
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: john e. holliday on December 01, 2010, 08:19:15 AM: Here's one I got off the Planeaday site. I thaought it would make a good twin for stunt. H^^
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Bill Little on December 01, 2010, 12:12:02 PM: I wonder if Leroy's model has two LA.15's or LA.25's? ???

That's the only LA's I can imagine would fit.....

Big Bear
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: PJ Rowland on December 01, 2010, 04:19:54 PM: wwwarbird : You mean I better get at building a 2nd one ?

Who do you think I am Paul walker? ;D

(http://i52.tinypic.com/a9p84i.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on December 01, 2010, 06:58:14 PM: Quote from: Bill Little on December 01, 2010, 12:12:02 PM
I wonder if Leroy's model has two LA.15's or LA.25's? ???

That's the only LA's I can imagine would fit.....

Big Bear

I'm curious too, but my guess is .25's on Leroy's.

As far as the B-24 goes, I've actually considered it. It's got way to high of an aspect ratio wing on it to end up with a good, scale looking, stunter though.

Another twin I keep thinking about that could and would work with a practically exact scale outline would be the Heinkel HE-111. Take a good look at a top view sometime, you could just enlarge the stab-elevator area a bit and run with it. PJ can one-up himself and tackle the HE-111Z, the siamesed five engine glider tow version. y1
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on December 01, 2010, 07:12:00 PM: Quote from: Allen Brickhaus on December 01, 2010, 06:48:47 AM
Remember that this is Classic legal.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Allen Brickhaus

Good point Allen but I'm not considering competition, this project would be just for fun. y1
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Bill Little on December 01, 2010, 08:15:19 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on December 01, 2010, 06:58:14 PM
I'm curious too, but my guess is .25's on Leroy's.

As far as the B-24 goes, I've actually considered it. It's got way to high of an aspect ratio wing on it to end up with a good, scale looking, stunter though.

Another twin I keep thinking about that could and would work with a practically exact scale outline would be the Heinkel HE-111. Take a good look at a top view sometime, you could just enlarge the stab-elevator area a bit and run with it. PJ can one-up himself and tackle the HE-111Z, the siamesed five engine glider tow version. y1

Hi Wayne,

Yep, you would have to take a few liberties with the B-24, much like Del Gatto did with the B-25. Still, you could fake it real well with a pretty good looking stunter as the end result.

The He-111 would make a great project, I think. Maybe you could do one like your PBY.....

I DOUBLE DOG DARE P.J. to build a 111Z!!!!!! LL~ LL~

Maybe he could just do a Condor instead.

I'm going to go with a straight up build of the Del Gatto B-25. ;D

Big Bear
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: Wynn Robins on December 01, 2010, 08:25:54 PM: be aware the the parts on the plans are not all to the correct scale in relation to each other - particularly the ribs - you should stack sand them - not use the individual ones on the plan.........ask me how I know
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: PJ Rowland on December 01, 2010, 10:18:43 PM: I did consider that.. but the logistics of making it fit under the 2m wingspan prevented any further development work LL~ LL~ LL~

(http://i55.tinypic.com/a0xloy.jpg)

On a serious not .

You can all Double dog dare me all you like..

The above is abursb.. ( albeit cool ! ) I couldnt stop laughing when I saw that ( i had never seen one.. ) its like a mosquito on the ROIDS!

That seems far more plausable to be an electric job.. and I for one dont have ANY experience in Electrics.. and there is only ONE PERSON i can think of who is err.. whats the word ....... talented enough to take on a multi engine stunter and combined his electric skills to make this abonination.. - Id drive anywhere i needed to to see thta fly !!

( Ive been considering a Liberator for a little while now - But its just not going to happen )
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on December 01, 2010, 10:35:47 PM: Quote from: PJ Rowland on December 01, 2010, 10:18:43 PM
I did consider that.. but the logistics of making it fit under the 2m wingspan prevented any further development work LL~ LL~ LL~

(http://i55.tinypic.com/a0xloy.jpg)

On a serious not .

You can all Double dog dare me all you like..

The above is abursb.. ( albeit cool ! ) I couldnt stop laughing when I saw that ( i had never seen one.. ) its like a mosquito on the ROIDS!

That seems far more plausable to be an electric job.. and I for one dont have ANY experience in Electrics.. and there is only ONE PERSON i can think of who is err.. whats the word ....... talented enough to take on a multi engine stunter and combined his electric skills to make this abonination.. - Id drive anywhere i needed to to see thta fly !!

( Ive been considering a Liberator for a little while now - But its just not going to happen )

Chicken! ;D :## S?P
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: PJ Rowland on December 01, 2010, 11:14:36 PM: Chicken isnt the word id use..

Chicken Synonyms: abashed, aghast, alarmed, anxious, apprehensive, aroused, blanched, cowardly, cowed, daunted, discouraged, disheartened, dismayed, distressed, disturbed, faint-hearted, frightened, frozen, have cold feet, horrified, in awe, intimidated, nervous, panic-stricken, perplexed, perturbed, petrified, rattled, run scared, scared, scared stiff, scared to death, shocked, spooked, startled, stunned, suspicious, terrified, terror-stricken, timid, timorous, trembling, upset, worried

I'm certainly not any of those..

Perspicacious would be closer :)

- Why is the gun being pointed at me all of a sudden ! ;D

Hey I wanted a Bomber vs Bomber showdown at the 2011 Nats but.... all parties concerned couldnt agree on said terms..
said terms were : bring what you own :)
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: wwwarbird on December 02, 2010, 12:13:46 AM: Just razzin' ya PJ. y1 I've got lots of ideas for twins but I don't see myself going after a four engine project anytime soon.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: PJ Rowland on December 02, 2010, 01:25:16 AM: I knows u were razzn :)

Id love to step up to the plate, but chicken isnt the reason :)

Just to be clear :
Adj. 1. perspicacious - acutely insightful and wise; "much too perspicacious to be taken in by such a spurious argument"; "observant and thoughtful, he was given to asking sagacious questions"; "a source of valuable insights and sapient advice to educators"
sagacious, sapient
wise - having or prompted by wisdom or discernment; "a wise leader"; "a wise and perceptive comment"
2. perspicacious - mentally acute or penetratingly discerning; "too clear-eyed not to see what problems would follow"; "chaos could be prevented only by clear-sighted leadership"; "much too perspicacious to be taken in by so spurious an argument"
clear-eyed, clear-sighted
discerning - having or revealing keen insight and good judgment; "a discerning critic"; "a discerning reader"

BUT... back to the issue at hand wayne :

I would back you for a B25 Its certainly a nice project. I look forward to seeing it started and then finished. I support anyone trying something different.
Title: Re: Paul Delgatto B-25
Post by: M Spencer on December 02, 2010, 01:47:54 AM: There was a nice profile B-24 in stunt news some years ago ,
Theres also a Commie Petlyakov Pe 8 4 engined thing , similar
to a B-17 , Was originally 5 engined. Fifth drove supercharger
for other engines, inline V-12s , Later ones had M-82 radials .